Thread 64472024

Why does the Korean War get ignored so much?

Wasn't big and all-encompassing like WW2, wasn't televised like Vietnam.

>>64472024 (OP)
>>Why does the Korean War get ignored so much?
>gets mentioned every other day
fucking kill yourself

>>64472030
So only every 'other' day?

>>64472024 (OP)
It got minimal media coverage because they knew they couldn't have a popular war so close to WW2, it would be like starting a new war today and expecting public support after the GWOT clusterfuck.
PS if a new war is started soon it won't get constant coverage like the GWOT did for the same reason.

>>64472037
GWOT was twenty years ago.

Also, youre saying if Trump invades Venezuela nobody's going to care?

>>64472024 (OP)
It was a mess with war goals that weren't big or flashy enough for the happy consumption of a post-WW2 public. To the same people who'd seen their loved ones suffer and die to end tyranny in Europe and avenge Pearl Harbor, and establish themselves as a world super power, sending their sons off to die so that Communism could just halted in one small peninsula was an embarrassment.

>>64472024 (OP)
>Why does the Korean War get ignored so much?
Because it's not over yet. America doesn't really want to talk about it because MacArthur's bluster and the Chinese offensive were embarrassing, and the Red Chinese like to venerate chumping the Americans but try to forget the part where they lost half a million men merely to restore status quo antebellum and South Korea is today much more successful than North Korea.

>>64472054
GWOT ended 4 years ago.
I'm saying that the coverage of a new war will be heavy for a short time then fade into the background. If it lasts awhile expect minimal coverage by month 6 unless it's some WW3 shit.

frozen chosin

Debatable

>>64472024 (OP)
The North Koreans still see the and buttmad daily like it's their national religion.
The average American doesn't give a shit and or a fuck about North Korea.
America was about to drive the Soviet puppets into Manchuria when the Chinese decided it was better to lose 300k Chinese men than to become the new caretaker of Stalin's puppet regime.

No decisive outcome.

>>64473868
For the Americans a good thing, for the Chinese, Russians, and North Koreans they failed their objective.

>>64472024 (OP)
The US was war weary after WW2 and people wanted peace and prosperity, not to think about another war. Even the pop culture of the time reflected it, with war movies depicting WW2 battles to entertain returning veterans and largely ignoring Korea outside of news reels.
Plus Korea was relatively short and ended in essentially a draw; and during the Cold War you aren't going to get propaganda celebrating a UN police action that ended with a stalemate. A decade later the US entered into Vietnam conflict and by then it was a new generation of soldiers, so there were very few Korean vets to recount to the younger generation what it was like.
And so Korea became a largely forgotten conflict.

Luck o draw

>>64472024 (OP)
In the past all the reasons anons have mentioned, now its probably because hollywood and video game companies are afraid to piss of the chinese market. Its a shame because its the perfect war for video games, just mow down wave after wave of chinese

Janetty

>>64472024 (OP)
Because it's gay and boring WW2. Except for a couple of planes the weapons used by all sides are WW2 vintages.

>>64472024 (OP)
It's technically still going on, but its been in a stalemate for decades now. NK and their allies, mostly just NK, will act like attacks are still being carried out and they'll run over Seoul any day now.
Meanwhile SK managed to get a good amount of land and a nice line drawn to separate themselves from the north and decided to move on and do something more productive like build a successful country.
So really nothing "exciting" to talk about besides NK posturing and SK rolling their eyes. All that stuff already happened decades ago and nothing big has come since.

>>64472054
>>64472060
not taking into account social media of today. In ye olden days news agencies could direct exposure. these days social media is a backdoor for fifth column aggressive propaganda aimed at destabilizing and splicing the societies under attack. In case of something like Venezuelan invasion expect zigger and xigger propaganda ministries go overdrive with the AMERICA BAD propaganda in tandem with fifth column collaborators

>>64477216
>Its a shame because its the perfect war for video games
>just mow down wave after wave of chinese
But that makes it really boring. WW2 games work because the Germans are an effective opposing force. They conquered all of Europe, have fancy weapons & uniforms and now here you are kicking their ass back to Berlin. It's quite different from mowing down hordes of freezing half starved Chinks dressed in rags armed with whatever Japanese or Soviet rifle they could get their hands on if any.
Also when it comes to multiplayer plenty of people like playing Germans.

>>64477277
>>64472054
>>64472060
Trump doesn't care for public opinion though. Also the US is so divided you'll get a 50/50 split for pro-war and anti-war anyway.
Finally the entire war phase is unlikely to last longer than a month. From a military standpoint Maduro is even worse off than Saddam in 2003. It's also questionable whether the US would need to occupy the entire country or simply take the capital and Maduro out.

>>64477318
>a US invasion of Venezuela would be for the goal of destroying the cartels
>remove an autocrat from power
>create a power vacuum
>leave
That sounds exactly like the kind of environment well armed and funded criminal groups thrive in. They certainly won't become an important power bloc to whoever ends up controlling a country with a crashed economy and dealing with the fallout of their autocratic regime falling apart in a few weeks. If Donny boy is stupid enough to do it, and congress is stupid enough to let him, the US will be in Venezuela for at least a decade, and assumes just summarily executing anyone suspected of cartel involvement.

Mao's son died in Korean War.

>>64472024 (OP)
At least 4chan loves it.
Someone drop the eagle comics.

>>64477277
Come on, come on. If you fall for Russian shitposting, you deserve what you got.

>>64472030
Lol it goes forgotten. Funny how the US Marines potentially fought a million man army and survived. China admits it sent 100,000 troops in after them. The war was litterally the cover of the game "doom."

>>64472024 (OP)
Because it technically hasn't ended yet, and wars w/o much action get little attention.

>>64477469
Egg fried rice status?

American media has traditionally ignored it because they were too busy making WW2 movies but the Chinese are making movies about it now.

>>64477579
Man i really could go for a big plate of that, i love fried egg rice. But chinese restaurants are an affront to public health and i suck at cooking...

>>64477613
>Japanese machine gun
>British stengun
>US carbine
chinks are just meat for the grinder

Apparently GIs were fucking korean girls like crazy.

Why does Gen Y and Gen Z have to suffer with MENA. Why not some type of conflict in Kazakhstan?

>>64477284
Make it a beachead game, I don't fucking know

>>64477633
>impoverished women on the brink of starvation prostitute themselves or look for foreign husbands during a war
Wow colour me surprised, this has literally never happened before!

>>64477655
imagine the smell

>>64477466
>and assumes just summarily executing anyone suspected of cartel involvement.
We won't do this but we should

>>64472024 (OP)
It basically gets shuffled into WW2.

>>64477617
It's an incredibly easy dish to cook.
You are doing a great disserve to yourself by not learning to cook.

>>64477466
Fucking shit I hope we don't go into Venezuela.
There's enough fucking bullshit going on right now in just this country, let's get our own shit straight before trying to pack someone else's in again please.

>>64472024 (OP)
Because the US was fought to a draw by a PLA with inferior equipment in a war that was fought for geopolitical reasons that were hard to explain within a media culture of censorship left over from WW2.

>>64473907
For Chinese, it was a good thing as well. They intervened when NK was about to fall and managed to push UN forces below 38th parallel.

>>64478028 You mean Russia and west taiwan backing North Korea.

>>64477318
there will be 18 year olds guarding trafficking routes in venezuela because cutting a deal with the local warlords was an easier path to peace than actually fixing shit.

>>64477934
You will and you will enjoy it.
Sensitive young men yearn for the jungle.
https://youtu.be/_7PUPNxsRQ0

>>64477284
Oh god, not another fucking world war 2 game please. There are many other things out there that don’t have a video game yet. Imagine Turner Diaries, The Videogame, or LEGO Turner Diaries, The Videogame

>>64477655
>impoverished women on the brink of starvation
>3 out of 4 overweight prostitutes in a daguerreotype or some shit
That’s not starvation, those are sluts. How do you even get that fat back then? Lay off the Twinkies, whore.

>>64478055
I mentioned the Chinese, 台客. The KPA was shattered by the time the PLA crossed the Yalu, so most of the fighting was undertaken by PLA ground forces against the UN.

Furthermore, the ability of the Li Xi Sins of the VVS to interdict and perform air strikes was extremely limited. I'm sorry, but the Reds were the qualitatively inferior force in the conflict.

>>64472024 (OP)
As other anons already said, Korea happened too close to World War II and was considered far less important, if thought about at all, by the contemporaries, for many reasons. And the Vietnam happened, throwing Korea inro the dustbin of History for decades to come
It's a shame really. The soldiers deserve to be remembered, the war had a big impact, not only for Korea and East Asia, but also on the Cold War in general, the fighting and weapons were kino, an intreresting mix of WW2 and newer doctrines and technologies of the Atomic Age
It was also one the UN's first, most massive and arguably most successful operations. This last aspect is the most fascinating to me. The UN forces, although largely made up of Americans and South Koreans, were a patchwork of units and equipments from across the Western-aligned world, united around a common goal and determined to prove their worth and their willingness to defend the new international order that was taking shape
Reminds of the generic Allied Western faction we see in RTS like Red Alert, where each unit is from a different country and has itw osn related characteristic

Korea was what WWII should've been all along: The West against communism. It had to be forgotten because people would ask questions, and realized something went wrong.

>>64472024 (OP)
Lame enemy while looking like a mix of the Pacific Campaign and the Eastern Front of WW2
Basically if you want more or less the same aesthetic, there's WW2

kino

>>64478814
The ending scene was retarded but I still shed a tear

>>64477631
same as it ever was

>>64472057
>>64473867
>>64477492
Koreans lost the most men and suffered the 100% of the rapes in the Korean war

China entering the war ensured maximum Korean deaths and suffering as possible.

>>64477631
Those are the lucky ones to get guns. The unlucky ones were grenadiers. They didn't get any weapons besides two sacks of hand grenades.
>>64478519
Nope, WW2 had to happen the way it did. West vs Communism requires Germany and Japan to accept that they will only play second fiddle to the US and UK. A notion both countries rejected irl. Tard wrangling France was already difficult enough during the inter-war years, WW2 and then Cold War. Now imagine doing the same with a nation that's bigger, more developed, has territorial ambitions against each of its neighbors and a crass disdain for western values and democracy.
It's the same issue the West ran into with Russia during the 2000s. On paper they're a logical ally against China. In reality they come with such a huge list of demands for special treatment including forsaking existing allies in their favor that the West just saw it as not being worth the effort.

>>64472057
Agreed. The Korean War isn't talked about because it doesn't make a tidy, satisfying story. A huge conflict that resulted in a lackluster result.

Also worth remembering that South Korea itself was quite embarrassing as an "ally" until very recently.

In the immediate years after the war, North Korea was actually much more prosperous and re industrializing. Meanwhile, the South was extremely poor, reliant on foreign aid, and under the rule of a brutal military dictator. Not exactly the feel good story for the people back in the US to justify all the boys that got turned mulch and all the money spent. The success of S. Korea was still decades away.

>>64478112
Fattening foods have always been the cheapest. Simple bread is made out of carbohydrates, and complex sugars are the main source of empty calories that eventually turn into fat. Go check any ghetto shithole and you'll find obese sheboons that don't work but stuff themselves with hyperprocessed shit that are caloric bombs but have no nutritional value

>>64478194
Nobody ever talks about South Korean troops fighting in the Vietnam War either.

>>64480358
That's kinda beautiful how it it illuminates the countryside like that

>>64477631
>>64480310
Japan issued bamboo spears to Japanese conscripts they sent to the Philippines in 1945 and told them to go fuck themselves when they asked for guns and ammo, and go die for the emperor.

>>64477579
>>64477617
>>64477689
Mao had a paternal nephew (his brother's son) and multiple paternal cousins (all from the same Mao family) who were of age to succeed him when he died.

US didn't stop Mao family from taking power, communist party was always going to block it.

A member of the Japanese royal family was killed in action fighting the US in the Pacific. By your retarded logic killing one person should have ended the Japanese monarchy.

>>64472057
Koreans lost millions of men and suffered mass rapes by the entire United Nations.

Korean girls were mass raped by Japanese in the Imjin war (1592-1598) and 1627 and 1636 as well.

>>64477655
Ah sorry no! The cope doesn't work here. US servicemen's lockdown on jap baddies is still going strong nearly a century later!

>>64480584
I don't see how that makes chinks losses any less horrific, chang

>>64482095
Again retard

>>64480577
>Mao had a paternal nephew (his brother's son) and multiple paternal cousins (all from the same Mao family) who were of age to succeed him when he died.

>US didn't stop Mao family from taking power, communist party was always going to block it.


Mao had TWO sons and a paternal nephew.

Mao's paternal nephew Mao Yuanxin was born on 14 February 1941, to Mao Zedong's brother Mao Zemin.

Mao's grandson Mao Xinyu was born to his second son Mao Anqing.

The nephew Mao Yuanxin was of age to succeed Mao Zedong when he died. He wasn't allowed to because none of the party factions would allow hereditary rule.

Mao Yuanxin is still alive today. If he was allowed to rule he would still be leading China today and the grandson Mao Xinyu would succeed him

US didn't stop Mao family rule and didn't kill Mao's only son.

China's communist party has tens of millions of members and different factions, unlike North Korea's party which is much smaller

Communist party in China were never going to allow family rule.

>>64482095
>>64482117

Read carefully again.

Mao had a paternal nephew AND a second son, and his grandson Mao Xinyu was born to the second schizophrenic son Mao Anqing.

Mao Zedong's paternal nephew Mao Yuanxin was fully mentally sound and an adult when Mao Zedong died. Mao Yuanxin did not have schizophrenia.

He was blocked from succeeeding his uncle in 1976, and he is still alive today.

If the Communist party allowed family rule, the nephew Mao Yuanxin would be ruling right now and the grandson Mao Xinyu would be waiting to succeed him.

Mao Xinyu doesn't have schizophrenia either.

Mao Yuanxin wanted to become party chairman and succeed Mao Zedong,he wasn't allowed to.

Mao Yuanxin was arrested on October 1976 for being a supporter of the Gang of Four and sentenced to 17 years in prison

He was only released from jail in October 1993, and now lives off a pension.

Internal party politics stopped Mao Yuanxin from taking power and holding the place for Mao Xinyu.

Families in China are made out of paternal relatives with the same surname.


I explicitly mentioned Mao's nephew (his brother's son) as successor because I knew some idiot would bring up the second son having schizophrenia.

If thw party allowed hereditary rule, Mao's nephew would rule as placeholder for the grandson born to the second son.

Both nephew and grandson were mentally sound and were members of the Mao family.

Mao would have banned his eldest son from going to Korea if he was the only one from the next generation.

He had a nephew, cousins and other relatives all from the Mao family.

The Communist party factions were never going to allow hereditary rule

>>64482095
>>64482117
>>64482126

China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokeswoman Mao Ning is a relative of Mao Zedong from his hometown. She still works for the MFA now.

She was born in 1972 to her father Mao Yifa, a younger cousin of Mao Zedong's father Mao Yichang.

Mao Yifa was also of age to succeeed Mao Zedong in 1976.

None of the party factions would allow any member of the Mao family to rule after Mao Zedong died.

They even added it as an official party rule banning hereditary succession to stop Mao Yuanxin and all his cousins like Mao Yifa.

The North Korean party by contrast doesn't have tens of millions of members with factions controlling entire provinces.

North Koeea itself is the size of a small Chinese province.

In China, if Mao Yuanxin tried to seize power, entire party factions across multiple provinces would oust him and scream about how hereditary succession is against communism.

This has been repeated over and over retard

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64239696/#q64290346

Mao would never have sent his only son to war if he was the only male member of the Mao family left.

>>64482095
>>64482129
Not only that, China didn't sent its best troops to Korea.

It sent former Nationalist (KMT) troops who surrendered during the civil war, which is the reason for POWS going to Taiwan.

In 1950-1958, the Communists were also fighting in Tibet and against Ospan Batur in north Xinjiang and warlord remnants in Qinghai and Yunnan.

PRC never sent all its soldiers to Korea.

Mao did not send the only male member if his family to Korea.

>>64480577
>A member of the Japanese royal family was killed in action fighting the US in the Pacific. By your retarded logic killing one person should have ended the Japanese monarchy

US military killed a Japanese prince in the Pacific theatre, Prince Asaka Tadahiko At the Battle of Kwajalein

By your retard logic killing that one person should have ended the Japanese royal family.

>>64482095
>>64482151
Korean war also didn't prevent a successful landing on Taiwan

The PRC didn't have a modern navy in 1950

Communist forces used wooden junks as troop transports.

It was not going to be able to transport 1 million soldiers across the Taiwan strait even if no war in Korea broke out.

>>64482117
>>64482126
>>64482129
>>64482151
Nice wall of text chang. You've thoroughly addressed one of the points made in the pic
You can stop seething about this particular one and do the 6 others you've conveniently ignored now

>>64482188
>>64482151
>>64482129
>>64482126
Dang, west taiwanese revisionism is a disease

>>64482117
>>64482126
>>64482129
>>64482151
Cool story anon. Again, I don't see how that makes chinks losses any less staggering
What's with the reddit spacing anyway?

>>64478051
All they did was lose 400k men to bring the war back to where it was. These were experienced war veterans that Mao sent into the grinders without sufficient supplies or even food.

>>64482117
>>64482126
>>64482129
>>64482151
I bet I can blindfold you with fishing line.

>>64482248
Koreans lost millions dead and Korean girls got mass raped so it was worth it.

>>64482498
they were north korean so who cares

>>64473907
The only one who failed their objective was North Korea. Literally everyone won something from that war.
>USA
They won an ally basicily for the rest of time. US Army/Marines came out stronger from the war considering the the shit state that they were in post ww2. US showed that it has air dominance compared to the USSR.
>South Korea
Are still independent and not part of the north.Gained a ally, gained more land than they had before the war.
>China
China's main goal in the war was making sure that a Commie/Eastern aligned Country still existed on its border to act as a buffer between NATO/Western powers. Even though they lost a lot men, it still showed that China can't be pushed around and that they are capable of punching up.
>USSR
Got to test their jets against NATO/US jets and got to learn more about US/NATO capability without really losing much.

North Korea got it the worst. They lost more land than they started off with, lost a shit ton of men, became very dependent on China to develop and to top it off they didn't take and unite into one country as they originally planned.

>>64472024 (OP)
Largely because in the absence of a Cold War gone Hot, the thinking of the time is that it was a diversion or a distraction.

Communism must not be allowed to spread, Truman doctrine and domino theory and all that, yes. We very much could have planned a total offensive after Chosin, carrier task groups, landings, you name it. But the prevailing thought was that Germany was always going to be where the REAL battle would take place. We send too many troops to the "flanks" of the global battle line, the Soviets would ram through the fulda gap without breaking a stride. Both Korea and Vietnam, while not insignificant or inconsequential, were ultimately considered less important usages of resources than the absolute fuckload of importance placed on the direct conflict everyone assumed would happen.

Of course, because it never happened, it makes what things DID happen take on far more importance in hindsight . One could argue that Korea gets forgotten about almost because its outcome was as nebulous and unsatisfying as Europe between 1945 and the end of the USSR. To the general public, it was neither a defeat nor a victory, but just another line drawn between the 2 forces, waiting for the real war to determine a winner to happen.

>>64483561
It sounds very callous but even the state of North Korea today is overall a net positive to everyone except maybe the Nork citizens. China has a buffer state/attack dog, South Korea/the US has a reason to keep military spending, but North Korea sometimes forces China to be a bit more diplomatic when they are tard wrangling them. The Kims get to be monarchs in all but name. The only people who suffered were the North Korean citizens but frankly it's been so many generations at this point, I don't even know how much they know about their relative state of existence. I genuinely cannot think of a way that even a peaceful collapse of North Korea/reunification with South Korea would not be infinitely worse, from the sheer economic burden of inheriting the mother of all project houses, to the political climate as SK and China both jockey for geopolitical gains, to dealing with the millions of malnourished and largely uneducated people you are now responsible for. It fucking sucks to say it but pragmatically speaking, the existence of North Korea for the time being is largely a net benefit for most parties.