Thread 64473714

Does wearing nitrile gloves while cleaning my guns make a difference for lead exposure

only if you don't wash your hands before you eat

>>64473737
Lead is sweet why would i wash my hands and waste the supple flavor?

Yes, but it’s important to know that lead can penetrate the gloves especially if you’re using solvents. Short term cleaning? Likely minimal. Best case? Double up. I’d still proceed as if you weren’t wearing gloves. You still risk exposure when handling the gun but as with anything, make sure you wash your hands afterwards.

I hate you hypochondriac freaks so much. Just stop shooting guns if you're so worried.

Shooting FMJ centerfire ammo carries virtually zero risk, almost zero lead is blown back out of the chamber, and a negligible amount is deposited onto the barrel. Notable exception being revolvers with a forcing cone. That black shit on the inside of your gun is just carbon, it's harmless. The gunk on the bottom of your oil pan or the dust on your car's wheels is way more harmful

>>64473714 (OP)
If your levels are too high the only thing that'll bring them down is chelation

You're all sick people.
I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all.
I put a curse upon you all.
Fuck ya
mudda

>>64473834
I have never seen a coal burner that wasn't some bug eyed bitch.

>>64473787
>lead can penetrate the gloves
"no"

lead exposure comes from lead styphnate in primers

>>64473714 (OP)
Wash your filthy hands with COLD water and dish soap you filthy animal.
>lead
Unless you're licking the range floor this isn't a issue.

>>64474804
so. What does that mean

>>64473737
Soap and water doesn't completely remove lead from hands. D-lead or another such chelating soap does a much better job.

>>64473820
Primers are mostly made from lead styphante, every shot is vaporizing a nice bit of lead for you.

>>64478685
where tho

>>64479475
As you seem to have been exposed to enough lead to slow your mental processes I will try to explain clearly. The vaporized lead from the primer exits from the muzzle, and the chamber as the shell ejects, it is then inhaled by the shooter as well as depositing on hands, face, clothes and any exposed surfaces.

>>64479720
You're not touching the inside of the barell with your hands, and why would it be on your face. Also going by that pic EVERYONE who ever shot a gun would have lead poisoning.

>>64479734
Gas escapes through the back of the gun in semi auto guns (there may be an exception or two that prove the rule) you'll even get some leaded gunsmoke from manual actions when you cycle them. The lead from that gas tends to pool on the hotspots of that picture. Everyone that has shot a gun does have increased lead levels, there are things that make it worse, shooting indoors, very frequently, with a suppressor, drinking or smoking while shooting. Running a case tumbler in your house is bad for everyone you live with if you reload, shooting is fun, but lead sucks.

>>64473787
>Best case? Double up
Absolutely under no circumstances should you double up nitrile gloves. The friction wears holes in them allowing pathogens or in your non medical case lead through.

>>64473714 (OP)
I always do, at the very least it can't hurt. That being said making sure you only shoot at outdoor ranges or indoor ranges with state of the art ventilation is more important because as other anons have pointed out you breathe it in as you shoot.

>>64479772
There's people who shot their entire lives and have normal lead levels.

>>64473714 (OP)
It won’t hurt and you can use D-Lead wipes or solvent on your skin after you’re done cleaning to neutralize any lead residue.
>>64479720
Shooting indoors is much, much worse for this than shooting outdoors, btw. But if you only shoot a moderate amount of maybe 400-500 rounds per month then you’ll be fine.

>>64473714 (OP)
TLDR
The skin is the largest organ of the body and it absorbs things. Wear cheap ass nitrile gloves while working with chemicals and you wont end up a fucking drooling retard with dementia. OK?

>Exposure increases when it is time for the individual to clean-up, because handling empty casings can result in lead being transferred to the skin, or to clothing and other garments from where it will eventually find its way into the body. The actual cleaning process for the weapon also removes much of the remaining lead in the barrel and lead particulates from other parts of the weapon and transfers it to the cleaner's hands. Oils and solvents used to clean and lubricate weapons cause the natural oils in the skin to evaporate, leaving dry skin and open pores through which the lead can more easily pass

>Precautions can be taken both on and off the range to protect shooters, instructors, and their families from the effects of lead poisoning. Administrative controls and good hygiene are two necessary tools. In addition, all shooters and instructors should practice the following "do's and don'ts" of range safety.
>Don't smoke on the range: Smoking any type of tobacco products on the range should be prohibited to prevent acceleration of inhaled lead into the blood stream and ingestion of lead transferred from hands to the cigarette, cigar, etc
>Don't eat on the range: Lead dust on hands and face can be ingested through contact with food. Airborne lead expelled from the weapon can also contaminate food.
>Don't collect fired brass in hats: Many shooters use their hats to collect spent brass; this contaminates the hat with lead particles. When the hat is placed back on the head, the lead is deposited into the hair and absorbed into the skin. Providing boxes for the brass prevents this practice.

>>64483080
>Do be aware that hair and clothes are still contaminated: Shooters and firearms instructors should wear an outer garment, such as a jumpsuit or coveralls, or change clothes before going home. Contaminated clothes should not be cleaned by blowing, shaking, or other means that dispense lead into the air. To prevent cross-contamination, range clothes should be washed separately from the family's regular laundry. Families with infants should be particularly careful, since infants are most vulnerable to lead contamination. Changing to clean clothing before leaving the range prevents recontamination of the hands and any contamination of the family vehicle.
>Do change shoes before entering residence: Shoes can also transport lead into the home. Shoes should be left at the door to prevent tracking lead onto floors and carpets. As an alternative, disposable shoe coverlets can be used while firing and cleaning, then discarded when leaving the range. Ordinary vacuuming does not remove lead from the home, but redistributes it by blowing it into the air to be inhaled and/or resettled onto the carpet.
>Do avoid physical contact with family members until after a shower, shampoo, and change of clothes: Lead can be transferred by casual contact. Family and friends should not be hugged or kissed until after a shower and a change of clothes. Any physical contact should be avoided while the shooter is still in range clothing

>>64483083
>>64483080
That just makes you wanna never shoot

>>64473714 (OP)
Why are you such a faggot? We used to bite down on lead fishing weights. Don't be a bitch.

so what's the step-by-step guide for removing lead after range?

>>64479845
there's also people who smoke cigarettes every day and live to 110. you're not gonna be one of them

>>64486448
Use d-lead wipes on your hands. Toss your mags, ear pro and eye pro in your range bag, put your guns in their cases. Go outside, use d-lead wipes on your hands. Go home, take off your shoes and clothes when you enter the house, wash your clothes. Take a shower with d-lead soap focusing on your face and hands. Wash your hands with d-lead soap after cleaning your guns. You can do as much or as little of that as you like, washing your hands at the range when you're done with d-lead soap would probably be 75% of the benefit of all of that. Wearing an n95 when shooting would also probably make a big difference keeping lead out of you.

imaginary problems? in MY hobby??

>>64478681
>chelating
Chelation ftw

>>64479798
>state of the art ventilation system
NTA, but the 8 lane indoor range I sometimes frequent advertises a complete air change every 60 seconds. I'm still tempted to wear a bandana around my face though

>>64487726
Ever had your lead level checked?

>>64478196
When you shoot a gun that isnt a rimfire the gasses thqt blow into your face is lead exposure.
With rimfire you get lead exposure anyways, even with copper plated.

can you use d-lead wipes on your guns and hands or is it bad for both in the long run?

I was wiping down a brand new magazine with d-lead wipes for 10 minutes and the lead swab still turns red when touching it. This is insanity.

>>64473967
They should all be publically raped to death.

>>64491177
I haven't heard of any health issues with the soap, and they would have to be pretty significant to counteract the benefit of removing lead from your body. It shouldn't do anything to the gun as long as you do a rinse wipe with a wet cloth and put a little oil on after. I detail wash parts kits I get in d-lead soap then rinse them, no problems with that so far.

>>64473714 (OP)
No and if you are that worried about lead exposure you are either
a)Actually retarded
b)Here to try and creat fud about lead because you are anti gun

Wash your hands. It really is that simple.

>>64473787
>es, but it’s important to know that lead can penetrate the gloves especially if you’re using solvents. Short term cleaning? Likely minimal. Best case? Double up. I’d still proceed as if you weren’t wearing gloves. You still risk exposure when handling the gun but as with anything, make sure you wash your hands afterwards.
Would you stop spamming utter nonsense you anti gun spastic.
>OH NO CLANING AGUN WILL KILL ME FROM LEAD MUST WEAR A GLOVE ON MY HEAD
You fucking idiot. Piss of to /g/ and /diy/. and tell them never to solder again.

>>64487354
HYPOCONDRIAC SALESMAN ARSEHOLE.

>>64473714 (OP)
Lead, asbestos and mercury used to be used everywhere so stop being such a pussy

>>64492792
He asked, but I am an asshole. Probably time to buy another bottle of d-lead come to think of it, but they're cheap, and that ones lasted me years.

>>64479798
Explain your logic to OSHA and NIOSH then. It's an industry recommendation. In surgical cases it's also shown to reduce exposures.
>>64492787
Basic hygiene and safety isn't anti gun you smelly faggot.

>>64492824
and look how the baby boomers turned out

d-lead wipes dont work

>>64495864
source?

>>64498200
>>64491504

>>64473714 (OP)
I work and shoot at a gun range with state of the art ventilation, my lead levels are elevated but below the warning mark (5-8). I wash my hands before eating, I use special lead soap in the shower if I'm doing something like cleaning out the lead trap. I use wipes on my face and hands. I take cilantro pills.

>>64498305
what levels you got?

>>64473714 (OP)
No, there is no possible way to not die of lead poisoning from handling guns. That's why you'll never see an old person at a gun shop or shooting range. There has never been a recorded case of a person lasting more than six months of regular firearms use without developing early onset dementia due to lead poisoning. The only solution is to sell your guns to someone with fewer vaginas than you.

>>64498357
It hovers between 5-8 ug/dL

>>64493735
Better than zoomers at least. Maybe we should start adding lead to the water again.

>>64498424
nevermind im dumb

>>64479720
Why the fuck are they putting lead in the gunpowder? The bullet should be cased in copper.

>>64491504
They might have dried out.
>>64498811
We've said multiple times that priming compound is made of lead.

>>64498904
>They might have dried out.
what?

>>64493735
Leaded gasoline was the problem. You get far more breathing it in all the time vs shooting a lot

>>64498305
> I take cilantro pills.
Why does cilantro help?

>>64498947
Pre packaged wipes are wet, whether for babies, kitchen surfaces, or lead. If there isn't any moisture left in your wipes there won't be any washing action, the chelating agents won't have the same ability to bond with metal ions. They might pick up a little but it'll be about as effective as you holding a dry bar of soap in your dry hands.

>>64499147
I used two different wipes and it removed 0 lead

>>64499153
Were they noticeably moist? D-lead brand? How did you measure for lead?

>>64499173
Yeah d-lead, wet as shit. 10 minutes later the lead-swab still detects the same amount of lead on the surface.

>>64499128
There was a study or two that showed in mice at least that taking cilantro (and I suppose coriander would as well) helped lower lead levels.

>>64499183
If you were testing a new, clean mag I'd be worried about a false positive, but I generally don't trust pre treated wipes anyway and just use the liquid soap.

>>64491504
>>64495864
>>64499183
Lead swabs are a meme, unreliable and prone to false positives. If you were really curious you could take wipe samples after different exposure and cleaning routines to get a ballpark for what works, but that would be retarded and expensive.

Anyways just try and avoid stupid high round counts/high backpressure suppressors/shooting indoors. Use D-Lead on your hands/face/shoes, wash your clothes when you get home. For the love of god, don't eat or drink until you've cleaned off.

You'll probably be fine.

>t. junior IH who has probably done more surface and air lead testing than anyone here

>>64493416
>in surgical cases it's also shown to reduce exposures.
In surgical cases, at least the ones I've worked, they actually usually use two different kinds of gloves with elbow length polyisoprene gloves as the top layer.That being said I can't find any documentation on doubling up nitrile gloves causing holes from friction so that may just be one of those bullshit bits of medical rumor that gets repeated enough it becomes "fact". I'll definitely stop contributing to that from now on, thanks.

>>64499631
>You'll probably be fine.
That was the only line you needed. If you're not occupationally exposed to lead, you will not get lead poisoning. Stop acting like a coastal white woman exposed to gluten.

>>64499712
Double gloves in surgery are to protect the patient, not the surgeon. Gloves can occasionally have microscopic holes from the factory and tears are fairly common, especially in ortho and trauma. The unusual materials used in surgical gloves are to improve dexterity since we're not allowed to use natural latex anymore.

>>64499729
>If you're not occupationally exposed to lead, you will not get lead poisoning.
You would be surprised the amount of people I see actively attempting to give themself lead poisoning on a regular basis. Also if you do stupid shit (huff supressor fumes at an indoor range with bad ventilation) and/or shoot competitively, it can add up.

Point is, most people aren't at any real risk, and you can mitigate most of that risk by taking basic steps.

>>64499771
Nta but my friend's coworker consumed mercury "medicinally" broke open old thermometers to drink. They told her not to do that, and that she exhibited the symptoms of heavy metal poisoning but she'd hear none of it.