Thread 64475902

why do commies generally hold their support hand/offhand closer to the mag well than muh elite operator youtube shooters? are AKs front heavy or is it a lack of training?

>>64475902 (OP)
We do it too. Your support arm gets tired holding the rifle after a while. Youtubers and competition shooters aren't soldiers who have to do this for hours and days.

are you talking about from footage 20+ years ago? Or of poor 3rd world military's with old ak service rifles?

>>64475902 (OP)
like >>64475909 said, everyone else also does that
if you've held a gun for once, you'd do it too

>>64475902 (OP)
>hold their support hand/offhand closer to the mag well
Do this simple experiment; hold something heavy with your arm fully extended for 10 minutes.
Now with that same thing, hold it close to your body.
There's your answer.

>>64475913
there's modern footage of it too

>>64475902 (OP)
Literally everyone does it,
because it's a more natural hand position + provides grab and support on 2 axis, allowing you to pull the gun towards your shoulder better.

It's the same reason why vertical foregrips became popular.

>>64475928
>VFG
bullpups too, great balance

>>64475923
What I am saying is the advent of accessories on rifles were not very widespread 20 years ago, and same with nations who can't afford to put rails on their service rifles for the entire military. So not really any reason to have your hand on the handguard.
Support hand on the magwell is surprisingly a pretty comfy way to hold a rifle. It's just not the min/maxing shit the modern competition shooters made popular.

>>64475902 (OP)
>hold their support hand/offhand closer to the mag
So you can put your ellbow against your chest and provide a stable firing platform. The same when firing from the crouch - look at your pic and you will see the guy is resting the rifle on his knee., his off-hand being closer to the magazine raises the sights to his eye.

>>64475928
what's the point of frontgrips then? it's just more weight when you can just grip by the mag area

Maneuverability

>>64476783
You are a retarded underage nogunz nigger and may God have mercy on your soul

>>64475902 (OP)
They're also just kinda old school about their manual of arms

the gun is heavy, you hold it as close to the center of mass as you can as a default.
Then the further your arm is out, the harder it is to rotate, to swing the barrel at a different target,for that reason it's very common to see guys just grabbing the mag as if it was a fore-grip. It has a positive lock unlike an AR, you shouldn't do it but it's less of an issue. with a VSS pattern you actually can, and many 56 AKs have an extende magwell specifically to that ends.

another issue is that russians cock their rifle with the dominant hand, which goes way back to arctic warfare and use of rifles when wearing mittens. having your left hand full gloved, your right hand half gloved and in your coat.

Try it with your AR, if you have to reach around with your dominant hand to cock it, where do you dinf your non dominant hand? well you're bracing the whole rifle with only one hand and not against your chest, so again, off hand is just gripping that magwell even if your hand slides back over it.

AKs heat up quickly to the point that if you magdump a few mags it's very uncomfortable

>>64477014
>old school
cold school afganistan, khandahar, ferganah, the saheal were not warm places. Russians fight in wat shittier places than anyone else, an they're stationed in way shittier places.
>>64476930
rude comment, not called for.
>>64476783
theoretically you shouldn't grip the magazine because the interface between the magazine lips and the gun is actually quiet sensitive, if you push the magazine around the rifle may not feed reliably.

The reason for the handguard possition is 1,2,3,4,5 point supported shooting. hitting what you aim at is very important, so you take as many contact points as you possibly can. So if you can ram the side of the gun up against the corner of a wall, you totally do that, it's like a free tripod. but you can't allow anything to interfere with the action of the rifle, so the contact point is further down the barrel.

imagine you are shooting from a window, you want to ram than bitch onto the window sill for that extra point of contact. but you still need to move the rifle so how far forwards do you want to rest it? too far forwards and you can't rotate, too far back and you can't change magazine. you use the posstion in pic relate because you can still drop the bottom of your hand onto a surface to stabilize yourself.

A 5 point shoot for reference, is shoulder, off hand trigger/grip, forward elbow, foward hand, brace point. It's how you shoot when lying on your back, splayed around something like a palm tree. you're basically in full over with that bitch straight angled at a target. it's a plinking possition

>>64477033
yea the guard is surprisingly thin, despite being wood. but its not often that you magdump someone and in CQB burning your hand isn't even a thought. it's almost a bag habit guys pick up in basic when they're sharing a rifle. GROM, Wagner don't do it, they all hold their guns like a neanderthal would.

looks like there are bunch of positions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=939xexrJ_nU
t. nogunz conscription dodger

>>64477051
>wall of faggotry
please neck yourself

>>64475902 (OP)
Short arms caused by Communist malnourishment.

>>64477026
>another issue is that russians cock their rifle with the dominant hand
You mean keep the support hand on the rifle and move the dominant hand from the grip to the charging handle? That's how I was taught to use it. Basically like Ian is doing here, although I would do it palm up with my stupid right thumb away from the gun because I don't want it to get caught in the ejection port.

>>64477033
>AKs heat up quickly to the point that if you magdump a few mags it's very uncomfortable
That's true.

>>64475902 (OP)
Used to ram my hand between the mag and the handguard, the handguard created a sort of hook or hand stopper so it would be very firmly in place. Especially nice whilst carrying. Doesn't seem to work on a real AK as that "hook" doesn't exist.
>>64477026
>>64478430
Was taught to pull the charginghandle with the supporting hand going over the rifle. Although you can do it marginally faster by going under the rifle, as your hand is already there after changing a mag. Not that that sort of minmaxxing matters at all. You don't have to grip it, just ram it straight into your palm and smack that thing back.

t. non gommie :D

>>64475902 (OP)
It gets excessively hot quickly. It's mechanically advantageous for the pig weight, especially if milled or in 7.62. Your hand is now on the possibly dubiously fitted magazine for immediate reload.