Thread 64486972

How does it feel to see the U.S. Navy become the worlds second largest navy?
>inb4 Muh tonnage, Muh old ships awaiting scrapping means I win

Yes, west taiwan's paper temu navy is so pwerful lol.

>>64486983
Less damage than an Arleigh Burke hitting a small fishing boat

It was the coast guard ship that got the brunt of the damage.

>fold 300 paper boats
>claim to have biggest navy on earth
Follow me for more tips and tricks the establishment HATES

Oil refinery in Volgograd got hit by ukie drones. For anyone curios on the sudden thirdie spam.

>>64487062
It's not even sudden; it's been elevated for months now and fucking constant for the last few days.

>>64486972 (OP)
Feels irrelevant.

>>64487062
>>64487076
I don’t get it. What’s the point in flooding this board with bullshit? What is here that is important enough to require constant disruption?

>>64486972 (OP)
>counting corvettes with no real AD capability

>>64486972 (OP)
>that drop from 57 to 42 ssn
people should be shot for this
but amerigolems are too retarded to even know the entire guarantor of their comfort is withering away

>>64487143
Imagine being a chink sailor when your PT boat suddenly gets vaporized by a Harpoon from a Super Hornet that you never knew was there. It must be what ants under a magnifying glass feel like.

>>64486972 (OP)
>inflating with small surface combatants
kek the memes write themselves

>inflating tonnages with
>steamed

>>64486972 (OP)
This is a major downplay on China btw. Considering the rate at which they're launching new type 93bs, they will have 20+SSNs by 2030. Same for the large surface combatants? Just 34 by 2030? China already has like 40+ destroyers in 2025, it's probably going to be more like 70+ by 2030. It's super outdated

>>64486972 (OP)
>small surface combatants
like PT boats?

>>64487383
when will chinese SSNs finally reach the noise level of 1980s soviet subs?

>>64487365
>posted the shill video again award

>>64487365
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq-juyXvIcE
Reminder that chink always lie and had to use test footage to make themselves look good. Reminder that even in the low energy test the F-35 still didn't need afterburner

>>64487422
Around 2018. Why do you think they're finally mass producing them?

>>64487434
>Around 2018
lol
>Why do you think they're finally mass producing them?
Because they have nothing else

>>64487437
You know it's just gonna to be even more embarrassing if you keep this up. Downplaying China like this just makes it funnier when the temu J-10 takes out a Rafale. Or when everyone shit on the J-20's canards for years before revealing that the NGAD or FA-XX might have them. Or how /k/ was doing the same joke of how China doesn't have a 5th gen fighter, right before their 6th prototype starts flying. It's not funny or making the wumaos mad, it just makes you look like delusional jeets.

I want an honest discussion, not blatant Russian tier denial of reality. It's pretty obvious that yes, China has achieved submarine technology comparable to the modern LA-class by now. We have multiple comments by high level American naval officers stating as much.

>>64486972 (OP)
Now add Australia, France, Japan, UK, German and South Korean numbers to US total.

>>64487448
Getting a little heat there chinky. Are you going to accuse me of being a boomer and racism against the chink now? /k/ isn't the DoD. Nobody here has any obligation to entertain chink shill bullshit. Now fuck off

>>64487448
>right before their 6th prototype starts flying
>I want an honest discussion
lol

>>64487455
>>64487456
You're basically jeets at this point. Utterly delusional to the point of ignoring reality.

Reminder that going with the chink logic the B2 is a 6th gen plane because it doesn't have a tail

>>64487459
jeets do useless posturing with their shittty mockups while doing nothing, exactly like chinks.

literally brother creatures(non-people)

>>64487462
More like because it has modern avionics, a focus on electronic warfare, CCAs and power generation, on top of being tailless. The B-21 is also considered 6th gen and it's just a modernized B-2.

If the F-47and FA-XX does have canards like concept art shows, are you gonna cry?
>>64487465
Yeah, the industrial powerhouse of the world does nothing...

>>64487434
>Chink subs are finally slightly more quiet than zigger subs from 1980
Implessive!

>>64486972 (OP)
US is already economically irrelevant as Trump kowtowing to Xi after he cut off the flow of rare earth illustrates. At this point the US Navy is irrelevant in a war with China.

>>64487471
>Yeah, the industrial powerhouse of the world does nothing...
It's always fun to see the neutral mask quickly slips off the chink shill face with every post

>>64487473
Diminishing returns. 80s SSN already around the background noise level of the ocean, you can't get much quieter than that. And Russian submarines are comparable to American subs in noise level.
>>64487475
So are you going to say with a straight face that China isn't a industrial powerhouse?

>>64487471
>modern avionics
chinese electronics are still sitting on the level of 1990s export level tech from Western countries
>Yeah, the industrial powerhouse of the world does nothing...
powerless house is helpless against Taiwan

>>64487478
>And Russian submarines are comparable to American subs in noise level.
lol, no, not at all. and chinese subs are still vastly inferior even to russian garbage.

>>64487479
>chinese electronics are still sitting on the level of 1990s export level tech from Western countries

See what I mean by delusional? Can't even have an honest discussion. Almost as bad as the jai hind ultranationalist.
>>64487481
Nah, American subs are better, but Russian subs have kept pace.

>and chinese subs are still vastly inferior even to russian garbage.

Not with the new type 93bs. They should be comparable to lastest LA class.

>>64487454
Nobody is coming to help usa in the upcoming chink war because they abandoned ukraine and sk/japan are too close to china.

>>64487493
>Can't even have an honest discussion. Almost as bad as the jai hind ultranationalist.
chink shilling shitskins always project.
>but Russian subs have kept pace.
by completely hitting the wall and cannibalizing old unfinished hulls to make "new ones"?
>Not with the new type 93bs. They should be comparable to lastest LA class.
they're not even comparable to Sturgeon-class yet.

>>64487495
Holy cope

>>64487495
please chang i beg of you stop posting retarded bullshit online and just attack a carrier group already. fucking do it. we thirst for chinese blood

>>64487495
Boy I remember when chink shills were smugly talking about how no countries would host burger long range missiles for the fight again chink. Now Japan and Philippine both host it, and Japan itself is getting tomahawks

>>64487501
>chink shilling shitskins always project.

Says the guy that thinks that chinese electronics are 90s tier.

>by completely hitting the wall and cannibalizing old unfinished hulls to make "new ones"?

In overall noise level. Their recent issues with their submarines is of course due to their economical and industrial issues that have been plaulging them since the Ukraine war.

>they're not even comparable to Sturgeon-class yet.

Why stop there? They're not even comparable to german u-boats.

>>64487503
lol. You won't even send Ukraine decent amounts of aid, due to threat of war with Russia, something that NATO would easily win. But sure, you're gonna to start WW3 over Taiwan.

>>64487513
>Now Japan and Philippine both host it, and Japan itself is getting tomahawks

Cool. What's the counter to the millions of drones that China can endlessly spam out to cover the entire 2nd island chain?

>>64487518
Shove a tomahawk up your mom's cumt obviously. This is how the chink argue btw
>millions of drones that China can endlessly spam
Just wanted an honest discussion btw

>>64487514
>Says the guy that thinks that chinese electronics are 90s tier.
How many EUV machines do chinks make again? Oh, that's right, fucking zero. Imagine being a fucking assembly plant and pretending you can actually make stuff.

After reading this thread, I have concluded that the United States is no longer a superpower. China is not weak, but in fact strong - and we cannot withstand their industrial might through any means.

>>64487062
>le Russian bots are out in full force tonight!
You guys are worse than leddit unironically

>>64487062
Current events belong on /pol/.

>>64487522
https://defence-blog.com/china-places-massive-order-for-kamikaze-drones/

>A Chinese drone manufacturer has disclosed a massive government order for almost a million lightweight kamikaze drones, to be delivered by 2026.

>According to the representative of Poly Technologies, this unprecedented contract has effectively monopolized their production capacity. “We already have an order for almost a million drones for our government, and we’re forced to turn down other clients to meet the demand,” the representative stated.

Russia can make around more than hundred shaheds a day, despite their industrial sector at an all time low due to the war. And it's not like China has a industrial output dozens of time larger than Russia or anything right?

>>64487527
I didn't know that EUV was 90s level tech? Can America make EUV machines? And once China does get it's own EUV machines in the next 3-5 years, what will be your response?

>>64487536
>Can America make EUV machines?
America can buy them.

>And once China does get it's own EUV machines in the next 3-5 years, what will be your response?
Two more weeks super serious guys

>>64487518
>What's the counter to the millions of drones that China can endlessly spam out to cover the entire 2nd island chain?
interceptor drones.

PLAN
>homogenous
>smart
>steals US tech for 1% the price, improved upon it and implements it at US WWII industrial rates
Muttistan Navy
>niggers and Filipinos who do 3 years and get $4000 a month tax free (plus tip)
>gets bent over backwards by contractors
>if one ship is sunk, public morale would collapse and there would be a holiday commemorating the dead spics and niggers
>can barely leave the dock
Yeah my money is on the Chinese

>>64487533
so true sister, follow incel slave z for the things the west is trying to bury!

>>64487542
Go to bed boomer

>>64487541
>

>>64487537
>America can buy them.

And why did America ban EUV to China? Ohh yeah, because if China had access to EUV, they know that China would already have 2nm nodes by now. As compared to Intel, who has had access to EUV for years, but still fail to make anything smaller then 5nm.

>Two more weeks super serious guys

Weird, that's why they said for the dozens of other technological bottlenecked that China managed to bypass. I wonder why those never worked.

>>64487541
Funny you say that when a filipino patrol boat takes out two chinkshit vessels just by maneuvering, lmao.

>>64487543
oh it's you again, you never learn do you little tankie flea

>>64487546
>if china could buy things it can't it would make stuff it can't make
If my grandma had wheels she would be a bike, you retarded chinkshill.

>>64487547
Oh noooo, a single coast guard ship that got repaired. Come and start a hot war in the SCS if you have the balls.

>>64487546
>Weird, that's why they said for the dozens of other technological bottlenecked that China managed to bypass. I wonder why those never worked.
Ah, yes, that's why they buy western jet engines and can't even build a fucking airliner without buying 90% of their parts in the west.

Can't even build a fucking iPhone by itself.

>>64487547
China can make 8 warships in the time you typed that

>>64487551
>a single coast guard ship that got repaired
glolouos PLAN didn't need those squished sailors, they were Taiwanese spies actually

>>64487550
Then explain all the American and European fabs that have full access to EUV, but still fail to make the 5nm nodes that SMIC can make with DUV. EUV is on the way btw. Anywhere from 2-5 years away.

>>64487556
>EUV is on the way btw. Anywhere from 2-5 years away.
Chinkshill cca 2014

>>64487554
>can
so why don't they? is west Taiwan too scared of the might of the true china?

Damn not even 40 posts and all the "neutrals" somehow all start spewing chink propaganda

>>64487552
I think it's telling that commercial passenger jets and EUV machines are only two things left for China. A decade ago, the list would have included dozens of other items.

>Can't even build a fucking iPhone by itself.

Yeah, because Apple sources it's supplies globally. Other chinese phone brands are all domestic.
>>64487555
It was a stupid mistake, I'm not denying that. But it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
>>64487557
EUV wasn't even a thing in 2014 you retard. ASML only started shipping it's first EUV machines in 2018.

>>64487138
>I don’t get it. What’s the point in flooding this board with bullshit? What is here that is important enough to require constant disruption?

To understand the thirdie mentality I need you to imagine the most pathetic, frustrated, small-minded petty loser you can think of... Ok, now make it even worse.
These """people""" have nothing going for them. They have no future. They will forever live shit lives and the fact that we (in the West) live (comparatively) in paradise is causing them endless boiling envy. So they lash out the only way they can: by insulting us and trying to annoy us.

They are the anti-Jannies: their goal is to shit the board up, and they do it for free.

>>64487561
I like how "facts" and honest discussion are propaganda now. I'm telling you okay, downplaying China just makes it even more embarrassing when they surpass you. I noticed how the Canard=not stealthy jokes that plagued any discussion of the J-20 completely died out the day that the F-47 concept art came out.
>>64487568
Pure self projection. America is a 3rd world country anyway.

>>64487564
>I think it's telling that commercial passenger jets and EUV machines are only two things left for China.
This is what chinkshill actually believe.

>muh domestic shitphones
that can't be built without foreing components like TSMC, fucking hilarious.

>>64487570
>that can't be built without foreing components like TSMC,

And yet Huawei phones and semiconductor don't use TSMC chips, haven't so for years.

>This is what chinkshill actually believe.

Provide examples.

>>64487564
>EUV wasn't even a thing in 2014 you retard. ASML only started shipping it's first EUV machines in 2018.
China Integrated Circuit Industry Investment Fund was started in 2014, you cockgobling retard.

10 years later still not EUV while being several generations behind. Enjoy being a fucking retard.

>>64487574
>China Integrated Circuit Industry Investment Fund was started in 2014

Yes and?

>10 years later still not EUV while being several generations behind.

EUV is on the way though. Being a decade behind is not bad for such a new and complex technology. It's not like anyone other than ASML can make it

>>64487582
>I-its on the way
>f-for the past decade
>muh DUV 20 year old tech
pathetic

>>64487584
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

>>64487588
And in the mean time you can keep shilling like someone from the USSR in the 70's that kept maintaining how 'we're catching up to the west' and exclaim 'we will bury you'.

Its the only thing you can do, imagine a future reality where chinkshit bestest. Hence why you're pathetic.

>>64487593
This isn't the cold war boomer. You can check global trade inflows and what companies are leading in their respective fields, to see what countries and companies are dominant in what technology. I don't think you quite understand the amount of technological breakthroughs that China has had over the last decade. There's a reason why the cope has been reduced to EUV and passenger jets when a decade ago, you could have listed dozens of other tech, like laser interferometers, carbon fiber, high end harmonizers, electron microscopes, photoresist, oscilloscopes etc etc.

>>64487599
Chinkshits are not leaders in fucking anything and you're playing grabass with 30 year old tech while the west keeps advancing.

>>64487604
Come on, you know that's not true. Don't be delusional. It's embarrassing for you.

>>64487612
Your shilling is literally based on delusions.

>>64487588
2 more years of daily chyna stronk threads and maybe west Taiwan will take some of the kinmen islands from Taiwan

>>64487613
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-ceo-musk-chinese-ev-firms-will-demolish-rivals-without-trade-barriers-2024-01-25/

Bro you are delusional. if you really want to cope, you can say something like "Yeah china has the lead in EVs and renewables, but those are meme technology that will never work, oil/gas/nuclear is the true path" instead of the jeet tier cope that you're using.

>>64487625
>chinks make cheap knockoffs
>muh musky guy
>WE WILL BURY YOU (some time in the future bro trust me)
What else is new you dumb fucking faggot?

>>64487629
The only reason why chinese EVs are not on American streets are because of tariffs. Remember the golden rule of the market "you never have to ban a inferior product"

>>64487634
Makes sense why China bans western shit all the time and won't even let western companies into their market without some bullshit state-owned ownership arrangement.

Then they sperg when we start doing the same to their IP stealing faggots. Fucking pathetic.

>>64487625
>Yeah china has the lead in EVs and renewables
leading by making vanity projects while burning coal unfiltered for actual energy, lol

>>64487634
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China

>>64487640
>>64487648
It's telling that China has already relaxed a lot of those rules now that their technology has caught up and can complete on prize and quality. That's just how markets and countries operate. Why don't you go apologize to japan for fucking over their export market or their semiconductor industry, or apologize to Europe for neutering their tech sector.
>>64487642
Coal use in China started decreasing already due to renewables. It's almost like it's gonna to take a couple of years to switch over terawatts worth of energy production and can't be done overnight.

>>64487650
>>you never have to ban a inferior product
>w-we are relaxing rules
Talk about fucking owngoals, lmao.

>>64487655
>Chinese products in the past were inferior
>Now that they're equal and even superior, the export control are being relaxed or removed.

What part of that doesn't make sense to you? We might even see the great firewall being partially opened in a few years if things continue at this rate

>>64487650
>Coal use in China started decreasing already due to renewables
>2 more years
it's like a broken record

>>64487518
Microwave weapons, lasers, the wind.

>>64487659
What chinkshit is superior you delusional faggot? Fucking nothing, its just cheap shit.

>>64487662
Guyana will be the richest country on earth with their 40% yearly GDP growth.

>chinkshill logic

>>64487662
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-clean-energy-just-put-chinas-co2-emissions-into-reverse-for-first-time/
>>64487665
EVs, nuclear, renewables, commerical drones just to name a few areas there China has a very clear lead. There's plenty more areas where China is neck and neck with America.

>>64487674
>chinks make some shit 20 years after the west
>they're shit
CHINK NUMBA WON

>>64487674
>co2-emissions
cool, too bad CO2 has nothing to do with all that smog

>>64487682
https://epic.uchicago.edu/insights/chinas-air-quality-policies-have-swiftly-reduced-pollution-improved-life-expectancy/

>Particulate pollution in China declined by 41 percent between 2013 and 2022 and by 3.4 percent from 2021 to 2022 alone.

Still not great mind you, but if China actually gonna cut coal use hard in the coming years, expect their air quality improvements to continue.
>>64487681
Where your thorium reactor?

>>64487691
>Where your thorium reactor?
Just go back 70 fucking years to find the first one in the west. Fucking lmao.

>>64487701
And yet funding was cut and it was never picked up again despite the obvious upsides, just because it was too expensive to restart development. Much cheaper to just drill baby drill. Sounds like the story of modern America right there in a nutshell right?

>>64487691
>but if China actually gonna cut coal use hard in the coming years
>any day now, two more years
shitskin chink bootlicker is a broken record

>>64487708
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-clean-energy-just-put-chinas-co2-emissions-into-reverse-for-first-time/

Did you even read the link I posted? It's finally happening.

>>64487711
>>co2-emissions
>cool, too bad CO2 has nothing to do with all that smog
chink shill is a broken record, literally spam bot behavior

>>64487711
>The reduction in China’s first-quarter CO2 emissions in 2025 was due to a 5.8% drop in the power sector. While power demand grew by 2.5% overall, there was a 4.7% drop in thermal power generation – mainly coal and gas.

>Increases in solar, wind and nuclear power generation, driven by investments in new generating capacity, more than covered the growth in demand. The increase in hydropower, which is more related to seasonal variation, helped push down fossil power generation.


C02 fell because they're burning less coal.

>>64487717
Meant for >>64487712

>>64487691
>We find that the period of steep negative trends in PM2.5 observed during 2014–2019 (−2.47 µg m−3 year−1) has ended, slowing to −0.18 µg m−3 year−1 during 2021–2024. Meanwhile, ozone levels continued to increase during 2021–2024, with a trend of 2.06 µg m−3 year−1. We demonstrate that population PM2.5 exposure in China can be accurately constrained using only surface monitoring station data, and we use this to estimate future health impacts under three observationally-based future PM2.5 scenarios. We show that the current government PM2.5 reduction target is insufficient to sustain the decrease in PM2.5-attributed mortality that was achieved during 2014–2019, and a ∼2 times more ambitious target is needed to offset the effects of China’s ageing population.
Implessive

>>64487365

>what is headwind

>>64487791
>We managed to reduce our population level a massive amount while still keeping our industrial base and still keeping with with extremely rapid energy demand growth
>It's still bad because China hasn't magically ended air pollution in just a decade

>>64487804
Thanks for agreeing with me

>>64487471
>Yeah, the industrial powerhouse of the world does nothing...

Americans does not realize that a war between China and America would be a war between the industrial powerhouse of the world and the financial services powerhouse of the world. America will go "rah rah I will just buy the best weapons money can get look I just printed 20 trillion into existence whooaaa the stock market is up wooohoo" and then find out that its domestic and foreign suppliers will go "sorry Mr Muttmann but this weapon has subcomponents from China so we cant make it at the moment becuz blockade". Its not just America that has a military sector that relies on subcomponents imported from China, the same also applies to the entire NATO and East Asia.

And thats not including all the civilian stuff that is dependent on production chains starting in China. F.ex cellphones and cellphone parts. Medications of all kinds. Car engine control units. And much much more. And dont forget, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan will be frontline zones, so you can write off their contribution to the production chains for everything.

>>64487478
>Diminishing returns. 80s SSN already around the background noise level of the ocean, you can't get much quieter than that.

The trick is to have a sub that can move while still being silent, the faster the better.

>>64487823
True, China is still way behind America and Russia in submarines I have to admit. But I will maintain that their recent type 93bs are still good enough to be real threat, compared to the jokes of their previous SSNs. It will likely be another decade before China get something comparable to the Seawolf class.