Thread 64492011

Barque Canada Reef is one of the reefs of the Spratly islands and is considered to be one of the biggest artificial islands that Vietnam has reclaimed.

This island is also claimed by the China, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Taiwan.

Characteristic of the island:
> ~500 acres (~2 km^2)
> ~3200m runway
> Harbors/ports
> Munition storage
> Defensive trenches
> ~$11 billion (speculative)

Anyways, do you think this a good military development/strategy or is it just a waste of money and resources?

https://www.wsj.com/world/asia/vietnam-is-building-islands-to-challenge-chinas-hold-on-a-vital-waterway-84198231?

>>64492011 (OP)
Do artificial islands have to be built on coral reefs

>>64492011 (OP)
>This island is also claimed by the China, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Taiwan.
where can I stake my own claim?

It's twice as close to Vietnam than it is to China so as long as the Flips are fine about it I don't see any issues

>>64492016
No, but building them on coral reefs means you don't have to bring in all the material needed to reach the ocean floor.

More detailed pic of Barque Canada Reef

Also, the island seems to still be under construction as you can see thin sand lines from the top and bottom of the island.

Other islands that Vietnam is building.
> Namyit
> Pearson
> Lansdowne
> Petley

Overall, Vietnam's owns around 49 islands and is currently militarizing 21 of them.

> Spratly island

More islands they're working on from this link: https://www.businessinsider.com/vietnam-building-islands-in-south-china-sea-2016-5#spratly-island-2014-2016-1

>>64492039
>>64492049
More than China. That's good, better to have them clearly claimed than open to takeover. They're clearly doing it right or else the Flips and Malays would be upset.

>>64492049
>Spratly island
That's a very old picture. It's already done now. I don't know about the chink, but for vietnam they typically have some token civilian housing on these artificial islands to 'legitimize' them. See the tiny row of 7 houses to the right of the hangar, bottom left

>>64492019
Yeah, the officials of the Philippines are fine with it, but their military fanbase is concerned about it tho. But I guess the latter really doesn't matter

>>64492062
>tree cover with a beach opposite the pier
kinda cozy ngl

>>64492060
I think this has to due to Vietnam expanding its Gray Zone Tactic, which is basically like fighting without using weapons but by interpreting and blending the laws.

>>64492062
> tiny row of 7 houses to the right of the hangar
Yeah, this feeds to my previous point. These islands are multi-purpose and are probably used for both civilian and military uses. This makes sense as Vietnam is between the point of East Asia and Southeast Asia. They're probably trying to monopolize or keep the stability of this canal.

The Philippines is also in the same area as Vietnam, but not much is happening.

It also makes me kinda doubt if this development is worth it. Just one of these islands is practically the price of an aircraft carrier or a couple of destroyers.

>>64492062
Don't Typhoons usually spawn or tear through the area of the Spratly islands?

This sounds really expensive to manage, unless the buildings are extremely Typhoon proof along with everything else

>>64492011 (OP)
>>64492039
>>64492049
>>64492062
I bet life is comfy on these islands, besides monsoon season you get be stationed on a nice tropical island with zero centipedes & shit

>>64492096
the fuck kind of name is that?

>>64492096
Dude is so fucking ugly. Him being pushed as a hunk during TWD's highpoint of popularity always came off as a humiliation ritual imo.

>>64492096
I kind of wonder how the plumping is on those islands. They'll likely have some type of water distillation system to use the surrounding salty water.

Internet can be covered by Satellite WiFi.

Food and other supplies is delivered on a schedule from the mainland and storages somewhere.

I'm not sure about the medical or firefighting situation

>>64492096
>>64492098

>>64492096
>zero centipedes & shit
Life finds a way.

>>64492096
norman Reedus and his Mingus Fetus

>>64492011 (OP)
I don't like it.

>>64492084
>fighting without using weapons
Very Bruce Lee/Sun Tsuie.

>>64492060
>More than China
The CCP owns them, though. And they'll start sinking and eroding just like all the other chink made islands.

>>64492096
Oh no they're absolute shitholes that are actively eroding away back into the ocean. All this shit accomplishes is ruining some perfectly nice reefs.

>>64492084
>Just one of these islands is practically the price of an aircraft carrier or a couple of destroyers.
The island will be there in 100 years, the carrier won't

>>64492376
>>64492409
There seems to be some conflicting information here

>>64492096
They look like a lesbian couple

vietnam should invert the thousands of years trend of being invaded by china and start invading china and bullying them, force their alphabeth on them and food, etc.

>>64492376
Ring a ding, you can see how much material is sloughing off. That all has to come from somewhere and likewise the replacement material will also slough off. This is just slanty eye version of jeets shitting up their side of the ocean.

>>64492409
>we have an immobile carrier with all the resource demands of a carrier and also a construction site
>no we don't have any plans to help those stationed there once they get cut off
>take that whitey!

Remember that these aren't truly meant to be viable military sites, they're just a retarded attempt to circumvent international territorial restrictions by making islands and claiming that they totally have jurisdiction for a hundred kilometres around now.

>>64492011 (OP)
>claimed by the China
ESL (engrish second language) confirmed, first the russian

All of them save the Philippines (because they're keks and pathetically weak) are building up their islands

>>64492617
The failure rate of China would probably invert into a high success rate for Vietnam too

>>64492656
>with all the resource demands of a carrier

Speaking of the Spratly Islands, whats up with the chinks building coastal batteries on their artificial islands? Picrel looks to be 2 Type 730 CIWS and 1 H/PJ-26 (AK-176 knockoff) naval gun. Also looking at Google Maps, Subi Reef and Fiery Cross Reef each have 4 of these

>>64494107
permanent emplacements for when they get TELs there

South China Sea is such a shit show.

Does China have any actual allies besides North Korea?
They seem to have cultivated that Russian ability to make every country that shares a border with them fucking despise them and pray for their downfall

>>64494183
I don't think they have any other than pakoids. Unfortunately they are in the process of vassalizing Russia. Fortunately the ziggers have nukes so it won't be a quick grab for them.

>>64492011 (OP)
>>64492039
>Canada
> Pearson
> Lansdowne
> Petley
Feels really weird that Vietnam has a bunch of islands with names associated with a country that welcomed so many South Vietnam boat people.

>>64494156
I really don't get how China can make their claim with a straight face.

>>64494215
Does it make more sense when you remember that philosophically, China is the only country on earth
That the entire 5,000 year old concept of the "Middle Kingdom" is that there's two kinds of people in the world - Chinese and barbarians

>>64492656
>>no we don't have any plans to help those stationed there once they get cut off
Mmmm I don't think the Vietnamese (or Chinese) are that stupid. They definitely have a plan for when these things get attacked.

I imagine that these islands are like tanks. The opponent has to deal with them before they become too big of a problem, so they'll draw the aggro which makes the point of attack more predictable.

They'll probably use the islands closer to the mainland as logistic and supply hubs and they'll be much more heavily defended than the outer islands. If the supply lines get cut off, the islands can survive on their own until reinforcements arrives.

If reinforcements arrives, the opponents are going to be sandwiched between and again, this feeds into my original point of the islands being a huge problem.

They're honestly a nightmare to deal with and you'll certainly need to nuke or bomb them heavily during the initial invasion phase.

>>64494215
Might makes right

They don't see Southeast Asia as countries but rather as vassals who should accede to them

Everyone else but the Philippines have been building up their islands since the late 90s to 2000s with Vietnam occupying the most islets

It's hard to build up islands now that the Chinese coast guard and PLAN have defacto control of the area but Vietnam, Malaysia and even Indonesia had the foresight of long term planning and building up runways and ports that blocking them at sea would be tantamount to declaring war

Meanwhile the Philippines banked too hard on being America's dog they didn't develop their islands and are close to lose control of these islets over time and have no access to theirs without being shadowed and shat on by the CCG and PLAN

They can buy 10,000 Brahmos and 10,000 Harpoons and they'll still never retake those islands back

>>64495870
>Meanwhile the Philippines banked too hard on being America's dog
They kicked America out of their country in the 90s and then had to beg them to come back and build up bases again since 2020. They wouldnt be having any of these problems if they just let America stay in the first place

>>64492011 (OP)
I want my own little artificial island. Seems cozy

>>64494183
They used to have Myanmar until they turned on the junta and started supporting breakaway rebel states in Shan and Rakhine.

Cambodia as well, although after the lack of support in the last war against Thailand where China clearly chose to preserve its relationship with the more powerful and economically important country over the one that they actually have bases in, I'd be reevaluating my options if I were a Chinese "ally" in South East Asia

>>64497172
>They used to have Myanmar
What China is doing in Myanmar is funny as shit. Selling weapons to all sides while buying 'artisinal' REE from mines and refiners. Glowies should've gotten Thailand to step in before the war became attritional and this clusterfuck of a gorillion different clans.

>>64494107

If you look at the funny looking building right behind the guns, it appears to be a mock ship superstructure. The area also seems to be intended for training. So this is most likely some kind of test or training setup.

>>64492376
>that are actively eroding away back into the ocean
>>64492409
>island will be there in 100 years
No, no it won't. Not without continuous land building and even that will be unsustainable. When the tide comes in, mother nature will always win.

>>64494156
>brunei optimism
You go girls!

>>64492011 (OP)
why aren't they spending their money on their people?

>>64497329
They are, in keeping them from being reduced to a Chinese tributary state, which if you knew literally anything about Vietnamese history you would know is a real and long running threat.

>>64496045
>They wouldnt be having any of these problems if they just let America stay in the first place
Not really. The US literally allowed China to encroach despite / following the Hague International Tribunal ruling.

>>64492019
>as long as the Flips are fine about it
not, its not fine fagass
I mean I can see the spratlys with binoculars from my house!
any slant-eyes can swim back to whatever rathole they came from

>>64492409
yeah, because carriers can move and islands cannot
this whole thing is retarded

>>64492656
>we have an immobile carrier
not just immobile but unsinkable
the problem however is that the second a war with china pops off all those island bases will be showered with cruise missiles.
if they don't have any kind of sophisticated air defense network they'll get wrecked pretty badly

>>64492039
This is an ecological disaster

>>64500307
That's the price you pay for sovereignty.

>>64500298
> the second a war with china pops off all those island bases will be showered with cruise missiles.
I think that's actually the purpose of the island. It just like the nuclear silo sites in Dakota, it's meant to draw the aggro of the opponent like a tank.

If Vietnam does deploy defense systems, which I think they will do so, it'll make the islands much more tougher to deal with. Attacks will be limited to certain assets such as destroyers or long range aircraft's, as anything less would likely get taken out honestly. An amphibious assault is the toughest maneuver to pull off and will just result in major casualties.

If one island gets attacked, they'll all respond and communicate to the mainland for backup.

>>64492039
stop fucking ruining the reefs you yellow niggers

>>64500405
Tell that to the chinks who are pouring cyanide into them in addition to dredging reefs