Thread 64495763

what do i think of it?

>>64495763 (OP)
The MP7 is short stroke piston? Huh... are there any other compact guns like it? Is that any advantage over the roller delay of the MP5?

>>64495763 (OP)
total failure compared to the p90 and ps90.
The demand in the US is insane for a working copy, but HK marketing is full of literal retards.

>>64495763 (OP)
You think it looks cool as fuck and can appreciate it for the design and quality but would never use or buy one (as if you could) in the face of better alternatives.

>>64495763 (OP)
It's cute

>>64495763 (OP)
You think Charlie Rangel needs to be executed via firing squad for preventing us from being able to buy them out of a mail order catalogue. Also may his house be cursed for ten times ten generations.

>>64495763 (OP)
Super based, you can wear it in a holster. The round is better than 5.7

>>64495780
(said this on other topic threads) It's probably the 'best' of HK's trio of 1990 polymer receiver firearms, thanks to its small size dimension (in comparison to the G36 rifle, the trunnion design of which has heat rigidity problems affecting accuracy in sustained fire); it's like an in-grip magazine shrunken G36, a mini-rifle.
Some people complain about the charging handle/receptacle blasting gas into the user's face. Cartridge is neat

I should be able to buy one for my house, full select fire, for under $1500

>>64495763 (OP)
Great if you can afford one. It uses it's own 4.6mm AP ammo which you probably can't find.

>>64495763 (OP)
cool gun, way overhyped and overpriced. still want one but HK is beyond retarded for not selling their most demanded meme gun to the US civilian market. however, knowing HK they're only going to sell it in .22lr like most of their other civilian export guns.

>>64495820
ukrainians made their version in 9mm with a side charging handle

>>64496016
It's direct blowback though

>>64496280
Is that what the PSA one is gonna be too?

>>64495879
Fiocchi makes the ammo.
Anschutz made bolt rifles in the calibre as well.

>>64495763 (OP)
completely irrelevant since neither you nor most of us will ever get fire a real one

>>64495763 (OP)
Why does it exist when the MP5 is already perfection?

It gets mogged by the MP5, the P90 and ESPECIALLY the TMP.

if they ever bring it to the us they are going to have to compete with the dbx 57 and lc charger. I doubt it will work well for them, other than for 4.6 purists

>>64496505
USgov wanted an AP subgun for WWIII.

>>64496016
It is a longer barrel MAC-11 with no silencer.

Coolest gun architecture ever, the gangster factor of mag-in-grip is off the charts, but the cartridge is super diminutive. Not useful for too much.

>>64496453
>Anschutz made bolt rifles in the calibre as well
They don't anymore but the reason they did was so that HK could argue the MP7 was a "sporting weapon" to the German government. What a based company. They literally have no benefit in it for themselves yet did it anyway to get the cartridge into German civilian hands which will hopefully get it into our hands next.

>>64495820
I agree but it's not that small. Also the charging handle bounces around and hits you in the face. Every example I've seen has a broken ch latch. No idea why it's so fragile.

Gun is a laser beam on full auto and having Mike seethe at me for pointing out my experience with it and getting a "no one cares about your experience on a static range" on the review video was a highlight of my life. Fuck off Mike.

>>64496305
Could maybe fit Rock's lever-delayed system. Who knows, x57 is in development hell.

>>64495814
>The round is better than 5.7
Lmao your ass. 4.6 isn't viable out of a pistol for a reason.

>>64496651
who said anything about pistols

>>64495763 (OP)
the P90 was and always will be cooler

>>64495763 (OP)
I can't get one (yet) therefore it is clearly gay and retarded and a SBR'd PS90 shits all over it.
Once HK finally unfucks themselves and releases the SP7 I will reevaluate my position.

>>64496651
Was watching a comparison of 5.7 SS190 and 4.6 AP SX, and the AP SX out-penetrated SS190 so soundly it blew my mind.
Then they compared it to basic 5.56 M855 and it absolutely BTFO them both.
Both of these rounds are shitty and irrelevant and trying to flex one over the other is like trying to win the special olympics.

>>64495763 (OP)
1) Make a semi-auto civilian version
2) Rechamber to 5.7×28mm

It would sell like hot cakes.

>>64496694
I did. Me. This guy right here. I am he.
>>64496834
AP SX is way more modern. SS190 is 30 years old now. Armor penetration is a meme anyway in my opinion. 5.7 is was more effective on tissue vs the shitty jhp rounds 4.6 has available.

Did anyone else think the mp5k was heavy as shit first time they held one?

>>64496860
Yea just look at how super popular the tp9 is

>>64495763 (OP)
It looks so fucking cool.
I still don't see the point of it or it's meme caliber.
>inb4 the p90 is better xD
Nope, just as pointless, but uglier.

>>64496834
5.56 makes a pretty good pdw round and a pistol ar is already almost a pdw, sure
But it's good for like, secret service and airplane cops n shieet. Maybe medics and paratroopers.
Mp7 is a different size class than an ar pistol or a p90 , it's like a skorpion but more powerful.

>>64496863
The mp7 is already carried on your belt in a holster, no 1911 style pistol is needed

>>64495782
>HK marketing is full of literal retards
always has been.
>G36 - HK gimps and sells the crippled SL-8 in the US. Won't take STNAG mags, awful stock
>MP5 - huge demand, HK first sells he SP89, but only a few, then sells the newish whatever that's a further gimped SP89
>MK23 - huge US demand in private market, HK can't be bothered to make enough to sell
HK are very German, very pants-on-head retarded in their manufacturing and marketing.
But some of their marketing brochures are spectacular.

>>64496863
>I did. Me. This guy right here. I am he.
Goddamn fuck off with this cringe autistic reddit shit

>>64497020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magpul_PDR
Never ever....
T_T

>>64496637
>not that small
it's smaller than P90, and lighter weight.
Already mentioned the charging handle issue in my post (You) replied to. Agreed, it's a polymer receiver gun in which some aspects of the build quality seems suspect; but supposedly, all three of HK's '90s polymer receiver long guns (UMP / G36 / MP7) are "built tough"...

>>64497134
Ok nogunz.

>>64496866
Checked, that's because it is (for a 'small' gun with not much weight removed from the full size MP5)

>>64497020
People keep whining about the round (and also the different-weapon FN 5.7) but for the MP7 it's just a neat package and effective for CQB.
As said above I want a select fire one for my house

>>64497168
>Be passive aggressive bitch. Go full crybaby bitch.
LMAO.
>>64497280
>it's smaller than P90,
Not in a useable form. It's MK18 sized in reality. P90 is definitely too damn heavy for what it is but thr magazine layout and increased capacity make up for it imo. MP7 is a really good gun but it feels like someone tried to make a pistol into a rifle where the P90 really just does its own thing and its good at it.

That said I'd prefer an MP7.

>>64497500
>size
Everything (You) posted is delusional and wrong.
MP7 is smaller and lighter than the P90, period

>"in reality"
MP7 is smaller and ligher than *any* AR-15 cut-down or derivative.
go back to plebbit, Nogunz

>>64497505
I see how you're confused an emotional, you don't actually have experience with the weapon in questions. It's a little over 2" shorter than the MK18 with a 3" shorter barrel. In a ready to shoot configuration they're essentially identical.

The P90 is in a completely different class than either the mk18 / mp7. It's ready to go as stored and is absolutely effective in that form factor.

The MP7 is lighter as you point out but no one said it wasn't.

>>64497521
Go back to plebbit, brainlet Nogunz.

>'muh class' / "essentially"
MP7 is *smaller and* lighter than the P90 and *any* M16/M4/AR-15

(You) are *WRONG*.

>>64497543
Lol you're absolutely shitting your pants over the facts. No one ever said it's not smaller or lighter. My point was it's MK18 sized for all practical purposes.

>>64497134
Low of me to defend Heckler and Cock of all companies but most of the cuckoldry of their guns comes from a combination of German export and American Import laws

>>64497134
>G36
>MP5
>MK23
Considering it has been smooth sailing for all of these on the Europoor market once HK figured out there was money to be made there, you might want to redirect that scrutiny to the US import laws and the ATF instead.

>>64497574
NTA but you are incorrect as fuck lmao

The MP7 is absolutely not the miracle gun it's depicted as but the main thing it has going for it is the fact that with a suppressor mounted an MP7 is the size of an unsuppressed Mk18 (or in this photo's case a 416; same sized gun).
Unsuppressed, in their smallest possible configuration with the stock collapsed, an MP7 is like 10" shorter lol.

>>64497592
>most of the cuckoldry of their guns comes from a combination of German export and American Import laws
Supposedly H&K USA are currently trying to work around the latter part of the issue. And with Germany trying to go full Prussia, rearming, rebuilding the military, and building a booming military industrial complex, we're likely soon see favorable changes in German export laws as well.

Civilian H&K G36s and MP7s on the US market may be a real thing by 2028-2030.

>>64497635
>Unsuppressed, in their smallest possible configuration with the stock collapsed, an MP7 is like 10" shorter lol.
Correct. About 2-3" in shootable configuration as I pointed out.

It's funny seeing people who've never so much as held one argue about it though lmao. MP7 is fucking huge in reality.

>>64497640
>we're likely soon see favorable changes in German export laws as well.
I doubt it. Germany's half-hearted remilitarization doesn't necessarily mean they're going to warm up to American consumers.

>>64497640
>MP7s
There's still a fair amount of resistance from the German government surrounding the civilian sale of the MP7 IIRC, H&K is fighting it but it's a tough pitch, the HK243 / MR223 and 556 were easy to justify as sporting rifles but the MP7 has too much of a cop killer bullet concealable terror gun stigma attached even though it's largely a meme and the round is a glorified .17 HMR.

>>64497673
You're talking about shit that happened over 30 years ago bruh. The culture changed desu. Boomer moment fr.

>>64497673
It's a done deal on the German side due to Anchutz. 4.6 is already approved as a civilian caliber now as I pointed out. Previously it wasn't considered a sporting caliber because no sporting guns existed but now that a sporting gun does exist they can make a sporting MP7 for a sporting cartridge.

They won't be imported btw. It's purely a patent issue that's now been resolved.

Yes this IS how it works unfortunately.

>>64495763 (OP)
You don't think at all.

>>64497134
>>MK23 - huge US demand in private market, HK can't be bothered to make enough to sell
There are a dozen on gunbroker right now.

>>64497678
Unless they can get them imported into the US they're NOT making semi MP7s, the 243 was sadly already a flop and this would be worse.
I had to work directly with a Kraut gunshop to get one because no one in the country was willing to order it (minimum order from HK was 10 rifles and it took them years to get rid of the inventory the first time around).

>>64497657
>Correct. About 2-3" in shootable configuration as I pointed out.
>shootable configuration
You can absolutely shoot an MP7 with the stock collapsed, anon. In fact it was designed to be shootable that way for bad-breath-distance bullet-hosing and that concealability and shootability is a large part of why SOCOM would sometimes choose it over the Mk18s and 416s they also had in their armories when the compact form factor was desirable.
Also though your 2-3" number with the stocks extended is wrong and you're looking at a literal photo of a suppressed MP7 next to a suppressed 10.3" 416 and the MP7's suppressor stops where rhe 416's suppressor starts.

>It's funny seeing people who've never so much as held one argue about it though lmao.
I've actually held and fired one but I have a feeling you haven't.
>MP7 is fucking huge in reality.
Yeah agreed it's a lot bigger IRL than people realize. You're still wrong though.

>>64495763 (OP)
You think (and know) that it is irrelevant.

>>64497696
>Another paragraph where you repeat yourself
I won't do the same.
>>64497707
LMAO the P90 really does mog it. I have more rounds on an MP7 but the P90 was stupid easy to shoot.
>>64497692
They're making them in the US. The interview with James hinted at it.

>>64497678
>>64497692
(interesting about the 4.6 civilian-platform) Still not buying one until the NFA is repealed and can have a select fire MP7A1 in my house for $1,600

>semi MP7
MP7SF
picrel
U.K. MOD adopted them twenty years ago

>>64497678
>>64497692
>>64497726

MP7SF
>picrel
>U.K. MOD adopted them twenty years ago

>>64495763 (OP)
I'll walk around the house with this, while lying to myself and touching my pp.

>>64497673
>cop killer bullet concealable terror gun stigma
The entire cop-killer AP bullet meme is exclusively an American thing invented by California libs.
Euros don't know or care about that shit.

>>64497740
I had hopes for these fifteen years ago.
When they finally got released, was 'meh'
(also have given up on all Kel-Tec)

>>64497756
The P-32 is okay for puttering around the house. Especially when you're halfway between the bedroom AR and the living room glock.

>>64497726
>>64497729
>U.K. MOD adopted them twenty years ago

Because britbongs are so cucked that they can't trust THEIR FUCKING COPS with the select fire variant, this has nothing with the possibility (or a lack thereof) of it being released to the civvie market.

>>64497803
>nothing with
idc
Posted because a semi-auto variant of the MP7 has existed almost since the gun's debut
Nothing more

(yes bongs are cucked goes without saying; and so is U.S. Congress for not abolishing NFA in its whole entirety)

>>64495763 (OP)
Pretty neat. Basically the skorpion concept with HK aesthetics and soul-crushing price tag. Machine pistol that you can holster, anemic round but one you can hose a target with on full auto. Supposedly works very well with a suppressor. Sadly, you’ll probably never get your hands on one.

>>64497134
HK sells guns to civilians in a derogatory manner. Like were 2 year olds and don't deserve the adult version

>>64497877
Shut up, broke bitch. We both know you love it.
-H&K

>>64497782
Yes I still think the P32 (for its niche purpose) is likely the best thing they ever did
thought about having one in the collection just for its representing a role that no other handgun on the market has quite filled/surpassed. (and-or for a pocket gun collection) Still wouldn't use or carry one for that POU, myself though I do understand why others do and it's valid for that

>>64497690
>demand
Neither the Mk 23 or USP are in 'demand' except from 90s videogamers. Collector item bricks
Thousands of USPs all varieties/calibers can be found for reasonable prices on the pre-owned market. Mk 23 less so (produced in much smaller numbers) but still easily obtainable. Great pistols, still today but collector items

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkwjbQo16ZE
all USP worshipers need to watch ^ this, highly educational (it'll make you appreciate your collector's item of desire moreso)
Entire engineering lineage USP / Mk 23 / Tactical / HK 45 fully explained and compared

One of those guns that I would love to own but be too frugal to buy.

>>64495763 (OP)
I think he's our old partner you know

>>64497615
>actually it's America's fault

>>64497690
>>64498258
They're currently available *now*, but were unobtainium for the longest time until HK farted so hard their head popped out of their ass.

>>64497592
Could've made a US factory at any time, but they didn't.

>>64499563
>unobtainium
Many of the post-USP HK handguns go in and out of availability and up-down pricing in the United States based on production, mil/police surplus and old stock imports
Like most other firearms, just need to keep diligently seeking on the pre-owned market to get exactly what you want

>>64497696
>and shootability is a large part of why SOCOM would sometimes choose it over the Mk18s and 416s
Nah its because with subsonic ammo MP7 is the most quiet gun ever available.
Its nu Welrod only good.

>>64502410
>subsonic 4.6
Pretty sure there's BB guns that are both more powerful and quieter.

>>64502429
airguns are pretty loud

>>64495947
>knowing HK they're only going to sell it in .22lr like most of their other civilian export guns.
Moron.

>>64497592
This. The HK fudlore about their marketing being out of touch is just know-nothing millennials circle jerking each other online by regurgitating incorrect opinions they once saw get an updootle.

>>64499563
>Could've made a US factory at any time, but they didn't.
It's time to stop posting, you wannabe triplefaggot.

>>64503046
>HK
Nobody on this board knows, comprehends what pre-1990s Heckler & Koch is or was. At all
and yea that namefag is a mutant

>>64503058
Their old hunting ads are comfy. Zoomies and soillennials don't know that their roller locked rifles were very competitively priced. HK91s and 93s went for about $600 give or take in the late 80s. Same ballpark as Colt ARs.

>>64503220
What are you even trying to argue and with whom?

>>64502739
That's why I didn't say airguns.

>>64503220
Still want a fully-accessoried (with magazines) HK 270
and an HK 300
(and an SL6 ... HK 630 ... SL7 ... HK 770 ... HK 940 ...)

>>64495763 (OP)
uzi but more internal components

>>64503566
Has nothing remotely to do with the Uzi (totally different construction/materials/operating mechanism/everything)
and about the same # of internal parts

>>64502429
Matt Bissonnette wrote in his book that there were cases when they've killed sleeping people with MP7 without waking other people in adjustment rooms

>>64495763 (OP)
Came in before its time. When the whole PDW concept came out, everyone though the Cold War would never end in any reasonable amount of time (in fact, the failure to predict the Eastern Bloc's collapse in the late 1980's is now seen as a massive intelligence failure) so they thought that future soldiers fighting each other in a conventional conflict would be equipped with body armor. And they were, except there was a break for about ~30 years fighting desert wars against insurgents that didn't have body armor, so there was almost no point in getting an MP7 unless you needed something compact for whatever reason (low visibility work, non-combat primary role like dog handler). In the present, everyone, even the guerillas and discord edgelord mass shooters, has body armor so now the PDW concept might have a future again.

>>64503058
>>64503553
Yeah the SL carbines are cool as fuck. Supposedly they even made a select fire military version with flash hider and bayonet lug but I don't know who the intended customer was. Like a German AC556.

>>64503733
checked, yes I missed opportunity during the brief few years they were produced/available on U.S. market to grab one
What was so kino, is the overall design of the rifle to evoke a K98/Gewehr 43 stock shape. (in the same manner that the PSP P7 design, shape paid tribute to the M1910/M1914 striker fired Mauser pistol)
Some of the SL6s appear to have upper handguards without the 3 cooling slots. Is that just a production variation, or ?