Thread 64496090

This is a thread dedicated to the one and only legally recognized armed forces of Palestine.

Founded upon the creation of the Palestinian Authority in 1994, they are an all-volunteer force with a strength of approximately 42,000, charged with enforcing the rule of law within the Palestinian Authority. They are trained, equipped, and paid for by Western countries, most notably the United States, but also Italy, Canada, and the United Kingdom and even have a close working relationship with their Israeli counterparts.

Discuss PNSF equipment, weapons, training, strategies, and room for improvement going forward.

>>64496090 (OP)
What purpose do they serve other than funneling weapons legally into Palestine?

>>64496883
actually keeping a semblance of order to prevent excessive lootings and the general destruction of even the most basic threads of society. When Hamas retreated to the tunnels the surface became chaos for civilians, the kikes reduced the palestians to the literal stone age

>>64496889
So its hamas but wearing a mustache

>>64496957
Not really. Hamas is an Israeli puppet organization that's kept in charge to both oppress the average Gazan, as well as give the Israelis reason to level a whole city block of civilians for 1 "terrorist".

>>64496883

Aren't they sworn enemies of groups like Hamas due to their affiliation wit Fatah?

>>64496090 (OP)
What equipment do they even have that hasn't been handed off to their cooler, less-legal sister organizations? Feels like they've been a non-factor in the defensive.

>>64497233
PNSF could be argued to be bigger Israeli puppets by virtue of the fact they're letting the Jews roll over the lands they swore to protect because they're afraid some faggot will post mean words about them on Twitter.
At least HAMAS are fighting back.

>>64499827
I don't really follow the details of this shit but the Palestinian Authority has not had a meaningful presence in Gaza since like 2006, since Hamas won the election there.
The PA mostly operate in the West Bank, which is fairly normal for a middle eastern shithole by comparison.
>oh but there are check points and random kidnappings and murders and extortion and there's a constant undercurrent of sectarian tension ready to boil over into open violence
>oh but people get arbitrarily harassed by armed thugs on a daily basis
Like I said, fairly normal for a middle eastern shithole.

>>64496090 (OP)
Very based thread.
The PA/Fatah are the only moral armed faction in this clusterfuck.
I had considered doing a thread like this too, but wanted to gather photos of equipment. Needless to say I have next to nothing to contribute.

>>64499827
The PA is armed and funded by the United States (when Israel lets us).

>>64499827
>>64500424
Source on U.S. backing the PA,
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-10-505
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_security_assistance_to_the_Palestinian_National_Authority
The Palestinian Security Forces saw pitched combat in Jenin late last year, early this year, where they were trying to suppress Iran-backed militias. They weren't doing *for* Israel, though; they were doing it so that Israel wouldn't have an excuse to level the West Bank like they've been leveling Gaza.
The PSF were actually successful in getting the Iran-backed militias to surrender, which made Israel instantly chimp out and bomb both sides.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Palestinian_Authority_operation_in_Jenin

It's fucked because western liberals will call the PA and PSF "collaborators" for fighting Iran-backed groups who are only giving Israel an excuse. The PA and PSF are basically trying to protect Palestinians in fucked up, unfair circumstances with what little they have, and aren't willing to fight Israel to the last Palestinian like some western liberals are.

>>64500424
>The PA/Fatah are the only moral armed faction in this clusterfuck.
Are you forgetting the IDF?

The Palestinians would be 10,000% better off if they just gave up on the idea of self-governance and ceded themselves to Israel.

>>64500455
The IDF are pure fucking evil. Basically IS or RSF tier sadistic psychopaths.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/13/israel-gaza-historian-omer-bartov
https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/MDE1586682024ENGLISH.pdf
https://www.ecchr.eu/fileadmin/Q_As/ECCHR_Q_A__Gaza_and_Genocide_20241210.pdf
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/media_2024/12/gaza1224web.pdf
https://www.btselem.org/sites/default/files/publications/202507_our_genocide_eng.pdf
https://www.phr.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Genocide-in-Gaza-PHRI-English.pdf
https://x.com/1benyair/status/1949803919745380601
https://medium.com/@dov.waxman/why-i-changed-my-mind-on-the-genocide-charge-against-israel-897c9e043b9e
https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IAGS-Resolution-on-Gaza-FINAL.pdf
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/commission-of-inquiry-report-genocide-in-gaza-a-hrc-60-crp-3/

>>64500480
Single-shot shotgun for the dude in the back right.

Kinda expecting the JIDF to nuke this thread within a couple seconds but post comms too
linkrel: www.cryptomuseum.com/covert/radio/apollo/ar924/
https://www.cryptomuseum.com/covert/cases/pager/
would love some dump logs of their pager traffic for shits 'n giggles
>>64500463
Looks like one of those icom v82's but with a antenna chopped in half (wtf)
>>64500480
DP4600e, checked

>>64500463
>guardian
>medium
>genocide"scholars"
>a bunch of bribed NGOs
>UN report (that nobody read) regurgitating everything hamas said

Sweet, a schizo thread.

>>64500527
>Nothing is real! Everything is Hamas!
You clearly didn't read any of the sources if you're going to greentext "guardian" and "medium" instead of the authors who wrote the articles; there's a reason I chose them.

Also your little meme is exact the same logic that literal Holocaust deniers use in their trade. Grow some self-awareness.
I've seen Holocaust deniers on this very site post this photograph to claim that the Holocaust didn't happen because there was a fat Jew at Dachau,
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_152-27-13A,_Dachau_Konzentrationslager,_H%C3%A4ftlinge_beim_Appell.jpg
If you're even capable of introspection or shame, then this should seriously give you pause.

>>64500463
The double standard with regard to Israel is made clear with the simple question of: "What would any other country do to an enemy who was actively trying to genocide them for 70 years straight?"

You call them evil? Then please provide an example of "good". Post an example of a culture that put up with murderous crimes more than the Israelis have.
Last time I checked every other successful major culture was on the side of doing the murdering, not putting up with being murdered.

>>64500568
>>64500593
Weird boots. I'm not sure what they're going for here with those civilian fashion boots.

>>64499836
The PNSF are Israeli puppets because the government they serve, the Palestinian Authority, is literally the Israeli puppet government for the unincorporated territories of Judea and Samaria

>>64500607
It's laughable to try and claim that the Palestinians have been trying to genocide Israel for 70 years straight.

Israelis have always overwhelmingly out-killed Palestinians to a ridiculous degree. Here's a Statista chart showing deaths from 2008-2020,
https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/
1987-2021,
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/18/the-israel-palestine-conflict-has-claimed-14000-lives-since-1987
2000-2007,
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208380/

Also, the PLO made an insane amount of concessions to try to bring about peace for Oslo. But Israeli "settlers" kept invading the West Bank, stealing Palestinians' homes and killing olive harvesters with molotov cocktails. Ariel Sharon just HAD to visit Temple Mount and assert sovereignty over East Jerusalem on 28 September 2000, and your "defense" forces just HAD to fire into crowds of unarmed protestors on 29 September, didn't they?
The PLO accepted a sad rump state of just the West Bank (incl. East Jerusalem) and Gaza, but even that wasn't enough for the sadistic psychotic colonists among you. It's especially ridiculous when the average Palestinian is genetically closer to the ancient Israelites than you eastern European colonists are.

>>64499836
>>64500621
Hamas basically invited Israel to come and commit genocide in Gaza.
The recent recognitions of Palestinian statehood is all the PA's work, as are all other legal wins.
The PA are playing the long game while Hamas just chimp out and offer kids up to Israeli butchers. Ironically Hamas gives Israel what it wants more than the PA does despite the PA occasionally patrolling with the IDF.

Another shotgun. Seems like they're for crowd control.

>>64500609
They get U.S. backing but Israel can arbitrarily cut off the tap. They're probably using what they have in same cases.

Another shotgun. This one semi-auto. Seems like they're for crowd control.

>>64500609
They get U.S. backing but Israel can arbitrarily cut off the tap. They're probably using what they have in same cases.

>>64500568
>exact the same logic
>the
From the Holocaust there are photographs of the camps, the prisoners, corroborating witnesses, paper trails, and confessions. From Gaza, there is nothing but photos of cancer patients, videos of nondescript shooters firing near (not at) civilians, and palirats spouting out contradicting stories all the time. Al-jizzera contradicted their own version of Hind Rajab's story a few weeks ago.
A slimy faggot like you shouldn't be talking about shame or introspection at all.
>Nothing is real! Everything is hasbara!

>>64500625
>It's laughable to try and claim that the Palestinians have been trying to genocide Israel for 70 years straight.
>Israelis have always overwhelmingly out-killed Palestinians to a ridiculous degree.
That is not disproof, it is only proof that the Palestinians are a death cult. The Israelis have layered defense upon defense upon defense trying to avoid Palestinian attacks, and they have made it crystal clear that they will not play the part of passive victims as the Palestinians penetrate the defenses but will retaliate, and still the Palestinians try to commit genocide.

That the Palestinians have not been successful at genocide is not proof that they're not trying. It's HAMAS's founding principle.
The Palestinians are committed to genocide.
So please post an example of a "good" nation who has put up with an enemy who is a committed member a death cult more gently than the Israelis have.

>>64500658
>Percentage change in population
That's ANOTHER Holocaust denier talking point, dude.

>photographs of the camps, the prisoners, corroborating witnesses, paper trails, and confessions
We have all these for Gaza, too. You not paying attention doesn't mean they aren't there.
Shit, I've already posted sources that contain many of these things; you've just refused to read them.

Of course you won't think it's happening if you refuse to look at the evidence of it. If you want to stop operating on the same wavelength as Holocaust deniers, then you should sit down and read those NGO reports and check their sources isn't of covering your eyes and acting surprised when people are seeing things you are not.

>>64500660
>The Israelis have layered defense upon defense upon defense trying to avoid Palestinian attacks, and they have made it crystal clear that they will not play the part of passive victims as the Palestinians penetrate the defenses but will retaliate, and still the Palestinians try to commit genocide.
The points I made about settlers and the start of the Second Intifada blatantly disproves this. It's clear why you ignored it in your response.
Also, I'm pretty sure that the death cult are the ones killing all the children and civilians; not the children and civilians for being the victims. You're invading and flying over their homes to kill them for existing, because the land you have isn't enough and you want more. If you actually wanted peace, you'd welcome UNSC Resolution 2334 and get the flying fuck out of the West Bank. But you don't want peace; you want to take more land and kill more Palestinians. That's why you back settlers who throw molotov cocktails at kids and bludgeon olive harvesters with clubs.

Cont.

Bang bang cangen let’s see some non stock sks rifles. What have you done to make a shitty rifle less craptastic?

>>64500673
>We have all these for Gaza

By the way, this is the same group that the fatard thinks has proven genocide
https://archive.is/AO7i2

>>64500625
>Also, the PLO made an insane amount of concessions to try to bring about peace for Oslo.
To call it "concessions" is disingenuous as it presumes the PLO has any agency in the matter beyond what Israel has granted them. Israel has always had the option to kill every Palestinian and they choose restraint instead. The PLO only has existence because Israel concedes it. The PLO does not concede anything, Israel grants them a say as they would rather leave the Palestinians alive and live in peace than commit a Holocaust.
The Palestinians only have leverage within this framework of Israeli restraint. Take the restraint away and the Palestinians have no say in anything as they have no say in their continued existence.

>>64500660
>>64500673
>It's HAMAS's founding principle.
Hamas was like 40,000 strong at it's height. Them existing as a group is no more justification to target the millions of Palestinians than settler terrorists are a justification to target the millions of Israelis.
Yet your government uses them as an excuse to target Palestinians as a group. You have AI programs designed to wait until Hamas members are with their families before striking so that you can maximize civilian casualties,
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
You've killed ~60,000+ people but only identified ~9,000 as militants, even using your loose definition wherein all journalists are counted as militants,
https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/
You've deliberately GASSED YOUR OWN HOSTAGES,
https://www.972mag.com/tunnels-hamas-lethal-gas-bombs-gaza/

>>64500690
>No mention of B'tselem
>No mention of Physicians for Human Rights
Both are ISRAELI NGOs.

>>64500680
>Continues to act as a Holocaust denier
Shameful. If your relatives endured the Holocaust, they should be ashamed of you. Never call yourself a Jew.

>>64500692
Israel has suicidal insane leftists like all other western nations do, what a surprise.
>waaa waaa it must be terrible for those poor gazans who can't help but start new wars year after year, this is le genocide :(

>>64500625
>Also, the PLO made an insane amount of concessions to try to bring about peace for Oslo
Name one. They wouldn't even renounce murdering civilians. Every single concession ever made has been on Israel's part and the Palestinians' excuse for chimping out again (more so than they already had been in the wake of the Oslo accords) was that an Israeli politician visited a Jewish religious site on Israeli territory.

>>64500691
>Israel has always had the option to kill every Palestinian and they choose restraint instead.
If Israel were to kill every Palestinian, Israel would cease to exist because the international community would not permit it to. That's the only reason you haven't; what we've seen in Gaza is you testing the waters to see just how much ethnic cleansing you can get away with before someone stops you.

>as they would rather [...] live in peace
Then get out of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza. You are there illegally. You are in violation of numerous UNSC Resolutions and international law. If you want peace, then seek peace instead of occupation.

>>64500694
We've already established how you start wars and you've had no counter-argument.

>>64500698
>Name one.
Recognition of Israel as a state, for one. How little do you know on this?
>Israeli territory
Per international law it is Palestinian. Numerous UNSC Resolutions affirm this. Your politician invaded Palestine and claimed it was part of Israel.

>>64500607
>What would any other country do to an enemy who was actively trying to genocide them for 70 years straight?
They’d do what the Palestinians have been doing and resist the genocide perpetrated by the invaders.

>>64500698
Haven’t the Palestinians conceded land that was theirs before zionists flooded in to steal it before 1948?
There’d be literally no war if all the Zionist occupiers had just stayed in their own countries.

>>64500673
>The points I made about settlers and the start of the Second Intifada blatantly disproves this. It's clear why you ignored it in your response.
>Also, I'm pretty sure that the death cult are the ones killing all the children and civilians; not the children and civilians for being the victims. You're invading and flying over their homes to kill them for existing, because the land you have isn't enough and you want more. If you actually wanted peace, you'd welcome UNSC Resolution 2334 and get the flying fuck out of the West Bank. But you don't want peace; you want to take more land and kill more Palestinians. That's why you back settlers who throw molotov cocktails at kids and bludgeon olive harvesters with clubs.
If the Israelis wanted the land they would just kill every Palestinian and take it, not spend two years feeding Palestinian civilians within humanitarian zones, followed by agreeing to a ceasefire which allows the Palestinians to remain in Gaza.
Two years of war and the Israelis taking 0% of Gaza for Israeli settlements rather proves that the Israelis are not out to take land by force.

Settlers moving into empty areas of the West Bank is not taking anything from Palestinians. The Palestinians refuse statehood preferring to claim all of Israel as their own. As the Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel, the Israelis have no obligation to recognize any claim of the Palestinians. The Palestinians refuse to recognize a border and commit attacks across it every day, so Israel has no obligation to set a hard border. The only border is whatever the Israelis can defend, and if settlers can walk onto empty land, build a house on it, and defend it, that's now Israeli land. The Palestinians only have the empty claim of words while the Israelis have the claim of possession.
If the Palestinians didn't want the Israelis to expand they should've committed themselves to recognizing Israel's borders 70 years ago.

>>64500705
>We've already established how you start wars
Israel didn't storm the border on 7/10/23, massacre civilians in their homes and at parties, launch thousands of rockets, rape and kidnap hundreds, then parade the hostages in the streets, all on a holiday while a ceasefire was still in force from a previous conflict (that gazans also started)
>you've had no counter-argument.
>if i don't like it then i can just ignore it

>>64500716
>they would just kill every Palestinian and take it
We already established they wouldn't because the international community would not permit them to.

>they would just kill every Palestinian and take it
They outright evict people from their homes.

>The Palestinians refuse statehood preferring to claim all of Israel as their own. As the Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel
And you've just shown how little you know about this subject. The PLO recognized Israel as a state during Oslo. The PA recognizes Israel. Fatah recognizes Israel. This is common knowledge.

>>64500718
I'm not defending Hamas and you wont get me to. Hamas' actions don't permit you to use them as an excuse to explicitly target civilians, as established here >>64500692
>>if i don't like it then i can just ignore it
Kindly point me to where you apparently made a counter-argument against Israel being the one who shattered Oslo, because that's clearly what I was referring to.

>>64500716
>The Palestinians refuse statehood preferring to claim all of Israel as their own. As the Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel
... so you've never heard of Oslo, huh?
Protip: Google "Did Arafat recognize Israel?"

What the fuck is the deal with the Iranian militias in Iraq? Is it true that they became addicted to real estate development profits?

>>64500733
>a counter-argument against Israel being the one who shattered Oslo
You haven't made a single argument in this thread, just one bogus claim after another. Israel didn't carry out suicide bombings against itself that caused the deal to collapse, you tard.

>>64500692
>Hamas was like 40,000 strong at it's height. Them existing as a group is no more justification to target the millions of Palestinians than settler terrorists are a justification to target the millions of Israelis.
>Yet your government uses them as an excuse to target Palestinians as a group.

A People is responsible for their government.

If the Trump attacks China because "they didn't respect muh authority," and I see a Chinese MIRV arcing down towards my house, is my response going to be, "THOSE DIRTY CHINKS!! HOW COULD THEY ATTACK ***ME***???? I'M INNOCENT!"
I'm not innocent. I'm still paying my taxes to Emperor Trump. I have chosen to live under him rather than get up off my ass and leave or do anything to materially change the situation. I am a cog in the machine that he controls. I share in the blame for anything he does.

The Palestinians are responsible for their government. If Israel nuked Gaza, I would not blame them.

>>64500757
I've been the only one to provide sources.
>Israel didn't carry out suicide bombings against itself that caused the deal to collapse, you tard.
Israel refused to stop settler violence (which they violated ANOTHER UNSC Resolution about, by the way; UNSCR 904), exercised sovereignty over East Jerusalem (in blatant violation of Oslo and international law), and then massacred the resulting protestors.

>>64500758
>A People is responsible for their government.
Collectivist drivel. By that logic all Israelis are guilty of breaking off Oslo, committing genocide and child murder.
If you're an American you aren't one in spirit being a bootlicker like that.

>>64500716
>stealing land the Israelis agreed not to steal isn’t stealing
Weird take when even Israelis think that’s retarded and only the extremists do it

>>64500738

It was real in my mind.

>>64500783
But was it Israel in your mind?

>>64500771
>sources
IAGS lol
Just because someone says something is happening does not mean it is, and when you have 10,000 people saying something that's obviously untrue, it doesn't mean that reality is false, it means that you have 10,000 liars.
But /pol/tards will suckle on whatever will confirm their bias.

>>64500705
>If Israel were to kill every Palestinian, Israel would cease to exist because the international community would not permit it to.
Oh please. The only people who might send their soldiers into a meat grinder against the 15th most powerful military in the world simply because they killed some Turdies who have been trying to genocide them for 70 years would be countries who have already lost to Israel.

If Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon chimp out the Israelis can Holocaust them too.

>Then get out of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza.
Why?
The Israelis have dismantled settlements and ceded land on numerous occasions in bids for peace. They left Gaza in 2005. Did it get them peace? Nope. Not once have the Palestinians given up on the genocide of the Jews. Every time the Jews have stepped back the Palestinians have taken it as a sign that their attacks have pushed the Jews back and that the Holocaust of the Jews they pray for is within their grasp if only they redouble their efforts. The Palestinians have never recognized the amount of agency that Israel has -- that Israel owns the entire chessboard and every Palestinian move is allowed only because Israel graces them the move.
The Palestinians will never stop unless Israel takes so much despite Palestinian objections that it's obvious the Palestinians will suffer nothing but loss unless they surrender. There can be no peace through kindness because the Palestinians do not understand the meaning of the word.

>>64500706
And yet the Israeli resistance is not 1/100th of what they could do.

In the Six Day War the IDF killed 15,000 armed troops.
In the 700+ days of the Gaza War, the IDF only killed 65,000 when they provably had the capability to kill at least 1.75 million.

Any other country would have fought until the surrender of their enemy. Israel only fought to a negotiated ceasefire.