Thread 64500003

Are operators any different than the majority? What truly sets them apart from a very experienced man that has been to war and fought?(example would be those fighting in Ukraine today)

I get special forces get all types of various training and fancy equipment, but mentally and physically are they more capable than an infantry soldier who has been to war and seen shit? (Multiple deployments)

I cant see them being that far above anyone else, deep down they are only human. I have seen and met prisoners who have shot multiple people, stabbed people etc.. for many killing is an easy job I've come to notice if the price is right - how would these people fair if given the same training?

I'm genuinely curious on what you guys think.

>>64500003 (OP)
>mentally and physically are they more capable than an infantry soldier who has been to war and seen shit?
SEALs are pussies, if that's what you're asking. They get to slam gear and get tons of privileges. They get airlifted to and from wherever they're going. They rarely die and rarely get maimed in the way we often did. SF guys are cool. They bought a couple of goats for us on Christmas and cooked them up. SEALs can eat a dick.

>>64500019
That's not the first time I've heard that, I've heard from family that has served and even friends that SF guys usually get looked after well.

They get whatever food they want, they get a gym with full equipment on deployments etc.. They also get to shoot on the range a lot more.

>>64500003 (OP)

They're massive prima donnas and homicidal degenerates who think that they're hot shit until they get smoked due to their own stupidity, see*

>Battle of Mogadishu
>Operation Red Wings
>Extortion 17
>Spetsnaz raid on Kiev's presidential palace
>Battle of Hostomel Airport
>Wagner Group in Mali
>that failed Ukrainian raid behind Russian lines recently that ended with one of their Black Hawks being merked by a drone (sorry Yooks, but you're not above criticism)

>>64500003 (OP)
>Are operators any different than the majority
special forces have different training and different organization

> but mentally and physically are they more capable than an infantry soldier who has been to war and seen shit?
their training better prepares them for their job

> deep down they are only human.
humans who were trained for a specific purpose and are therefore better at that job

>I'm genuinely curious on what you guys think.
special forces have more specialized training, which tends to have more exacting mental and physical standards

>>64500030
>Extortion 17
Pretty embarrassing.

>>64500030
>that failed Ukrainian raid behind Russian lines recently that ended with one of their Black Hawks being merked by a drone

Did it really? It wasn't a raid behind enemy lines, they were dropped next to the last corridor to the city still controlled by ukies, to clear all the rats that slipped through the lines and allow the rest of the infantry there to escape. And they didn't loose a single heli as far as I know. Even ruskies on their telegrams say that the videos of ukie SF getting hit with drones and artillery aren't legit because the hours and weather doesn't match up.

Their action might as well be a distraction, as ukies launched a small counterattack north of the city. Looks like they accepted defeat in the south and are focusing in the north.
Ruskies claim they captured 700 defenders. As always, may we see them?

>>64500030
You forgot
>Tongo Tongo ambush

>>64500003 (OP)
From what I understand, the standards transcend ability and go to a deeper level of respect. The instructors job isnt to break the candidates, their job is to watch and ask themselves "Would this man get the job done if I died?" In other words "Would I die for this man?"

>>64500003 (OP)
Its about a different mindset, usually also some lack of self awareness and/or actual stupidity. Modern 'operators' probably wouldn't last too long in a conventional conflict. They are like one of roided gym fags compared to someone all natural. Most of their shit is show and not actual, functional battlefield utility.

>What truly sets them apart

Durability and being able to handle stressful situations. Most guys quit selection because their body is too sore and they don't want to be stressed out. You want the hardest men to do the hardest missions.

>>64500195
>Durability and being able to handle stressful situations.

I've seen men who work 16 hour days, 7 days a week in concreting, and some that have dealt with very bad and stressful situations.

Lots of those "sf" guys are very young, these guys I'm talking about are mid 30's /40's still breaking their backs.

>>64500181
A lot of US vets that fought in Ukraine got to taste how meaningless SF qualifications were in actual peer to peer engagements.
Of course this was due in part because of the inexperienced leadership of the foreign legion, making operators sit in random trenchlines to get GRAD striked; but that's kind of the point
You can't have special forces operations without a rock solid infantry corps, and the overall effectiveness of SF is limited by their mission set and conditions on the ground.

As an aside, GWOT door breachers thinking they're the hottest shit Satan ever took and immediately whining on social media the nanosecond they faced an enemy that actually fired back will never not be funny to me

I wouldn't trust a person that willingly gets a job where he can kill people for money. I think most people aren't able to actually do it in cold blood. I wonder if there are some scientific studies on military professionals or on military people that are experienced with killing other people.
I assume most people at war just shoot somewhere at the enemy's direction and hope they don't get killed. The special operators, on the other hand, are selected killers. The same is correct for attack drone operators that find joy in hunting and killing people.
Probably the studies would find they have a higher degree on the psychopathic scale than a normal person.

>>64500206
>I've seen men who work 16 hour days, 7 days a week in concreting, and some that have dealt with very bad and stressful situations.

They work at a slow pace and it's not stressful at all.

>>64500030
tries to get into /k/'s good graces by mentioning a few well-known Rooskie fuckups...
but capstones the list with a detailed fanfiction around a Ukie op that buttblasted him.
vatniks can't ever help themselves
Hey, at least you're getting more sophisticated

>>64500209
>You can't have special forces operations without a rock solid infantry corps

SOCOM kicked the Taliban out of Afghanistan a month after setting foot in country.

>>64500214
You've obviously never done concreting, you cant work "slow". Are you mentally retarded?
I've done it for 3 years, i worked with men that were 12 / 18 years in, pushing wheel barrows that weight over 330 - 400lbs up a steep incline over a plank.

The mentally and draining work they were doing day in and day out, while dealing with the stress of life and mortgage was far harder than getting smoked in "PT".

>>64500221
I've worked construction. Those guys sat around doing nothing most of the day.

>>64500222
Why are you lying?

>>64500222
>>64500214
Picture related, it's you.

>>64500226
Why'd you post a picture of yourself?

>>64500218
>SOCOM kicked the Taliban out of Afghanistan a month
...is that what they teach you in american schools?

>>64500232
Was it two months?

>>64500218
>SOCOM kicked the Taliban out of Afghanistan a month after setting foot in country.
Then why did we camp out over there for more than 10 years anon? We weren't just shooting at random goat fuckers the whole time.

Maybe in your head SOCOM is an all-seeing force of x-men.

>>64500240
>Then why did we camp out over there for more than 10 years anon?

There were bad people other than the Taliban in Afghanistan.

>We weren't just shooting at random goat fuckers the whole time.

Yeah like rebuilding Afghanistan.

>>64500030
>smoked

>>64500221
>pushing wheel barrows that weight over 330 - 400lbs up a steep incline over a plank

I did this in my backyard when I was a teenager...

>>64500247
>Yeah like rebuilding Afghanistan.

Never happened.

>>64500268
shid

>>64500262
They were probably less than a hundred pounds, the ground was probably flat and you were a fucking teenager.
Stupid fcking Tylenol baby

>>64500279
>Muh sheckles
Lol

>>64500282
I know it was hundreds of pounds because they were like 40lbs a bag and I did like 8-12 at a time. I went up a narrow ramp my dad made onto the roof. I was 16 year old couch potato. What you're describing isn't hard.

>>64500306
>They were like 40 pounds
>8-12 in one wheelbarrow
Pic related is what 11 40 lb concrete bags look like you fucking retard fatbody

>>64500314
I moved shingles, not concrete, which is why posted a picture of shingles on a roof. And I didn't use a tiny wheel barrel.

>>64500319
>shingles come in bags

>>64500321
Call it what you want. That's a bag to me.

>>64500306
>>64500319
Ive worked with kids like you, you never come back because your entire body was sore.
I cant believe you give an example and your example is doing it once with your dad. Fucking hell mate youre a poofter.

>>64500003 (OP)
Nothing is different except gear and mission set. SOF gets more support systems and everyone in the networks is serious about the mission and has high morale. That is the key difference. If I am being honest, the actual Soldier is irrelevant past a certain threshold. Yes the selection process ensures the individual meets that threshold but there are tons of people who met it but simply don't want to deal with the bullshit being perfectly happy in their current place.

>>64500321
why are you being pedantic about his language choice when he posted a photo? he's clearly a retard, but that's not the issue. the issue is that you are making it out to be that a fulcrum assisted lift is the peak of being hardcore. granted, SF fanboys do the same glorification shit, but what can you do? anyways, point is don't be intentionally dense it's annoying.

>>64500326
I did it for our house and my father's friends' houses. It only takes like 6 trips to get it all on the roof. It was not hard at all and I was a couch potato.

Most of them have socio or psychopathic tendencies and some form of narcissism if that's what you're asking OP
>I layed in a bush for a week, shitting and pissing on myself so I could shoot a random goat herder and call it mission complete
Those are the kinds of retards we are talking about

>>64500323
>>64500330
The TL;DR here is that saying that doing something every day as a job well into your middle ages is easy and everyone who does it is lazy because you did one small part of the job exactly once (1) 25 years ago when you were at peak testosterone levels is kinda silly, desu

>>64500332
>I ran once!
>I did it six times in one day, even!
>I could run an ultra marathon in the Negev desert!
>Runners are just lazy!

>>64500332
Shut up, cunt.

>>64500346
Rude!

>>64500344
>I did it six times in one day, even!

Took like 15 minutes total. Loading and unloading was harder than moving it.

>>64500348
> I did 15 minutes of work
And for some reason you're still whining/bragging about it, however many decades later, kek

>>64500356
I'm not whining if I said it was easy.

>>64500340
I think you are taking what the dude said to an extreme because you have a tendency to see everything in extremes. I'm basing this off your introductory statement which was basically "yeah well SF guys are pussies compared to these dudes who push fairly heavy wheelbarrows around!"

>>64500357
You actually are. It was such a traumatic event for you you have not only commited it to memory, but you have internalized a false narrative to inflate your ego and manipulate how others percieve you.

>>64500359
I'm NTA who originally said that, that shit was kinda cringe kek, I'm just here for the updoots

>>64500363
>you have internalized a false narrative to inflate your ego and manipulate how others percieve you.

That's what you're doing by saying it's hard. There's nothing wrong with having a easy job.

>>64500364
fair enough redditfag-kun. carry on.

>>64500221
Apples and oranges. I worked as a deckhand for one of them big bulk carriers, and it was the worst bits of construction mixed with sewage technician. Even has a taste of the irregular schedule whenever you have to cross a canal or put into port. Difference from selection was, no matter hectic things got, you always had time to blow off steam afterwards. You don't get that for a month or two with a selection.

>>64500366
You know, jerking off once is pretty easy, but I'd like to see you jerk off twenty five times a day, every day.
P sure you'd rip your dick off, soft skin

>>64500291
>muh anal AIDS
)))))))))

>>64500003 (OP)
I'm interested in the psychological factors that make the ideal soldier (because you can get any retard super fit, but that won't make them SOF material)
A common thread I hear from vetbros online is that in selections they mostly look for things like teamwork, initiative and drive, but that's hardly a complete profile
What kind of personality does the perfect operator have?

>>64500221
Try carrying 120 pounds of gear in 110 degree heat for fifteen to twenty miles a day every day for a fucking year. Nobody gives a fuck about PT. We won't pay soldiers to PT, we pay them to ship out and kill our enemies under unimaginably miserable conditions. You fucking civilians have no clue how good you have it.

>>64500232
SOCOM and JSOC utterly curbstomped the Taliban, and conventional military swept up the remains after them. It wasn't even close to a fair fight
The reason we stuck around for two decades wasn't because we needed two decades to beat them, but because we tried to nation build in a place that has no concept of, or interest in, a national identity. And so when we decided "looks stable enuff" and decided to leave, Taliban simply poured back in from Pakistan and took the country, because the Afghan government crumbled immediately