Thread 64502542

Realistically and militarily speaking what would Russia need to do to recover all the territories lost during pic related? Even using nuclear weapons (which will imply a nuclear response from NATO armed states) can they recover all they got back in 1945?

>>64502542 (OP)
no

Be a superpower again rather than a mafia gas station with delusions.

>>64502542 (OP)
>can they recover all they got back in 1945?
no. and they should stop trying.

>>64502542 (OP)
>Realistically and militarily speaking what would Russia need to do to recover all the territories lost during pic related?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF4ii8dUDro

Only correct answer above otherwise simply utterly impossible

>>64502542 (OP)
Replace their entire country with Anglo saxons

Be friendly to their neighbors.

>>64502542 (OP)
>what would Russia need to do to recover all the territories lost during pic related?
Not be Russian.

>>64502542 (OP)
That pic is quite humilliating in every aspect I can think of.

>>64502699
/thread

>>64502715
At least they may have finally taken Pokrovsk, a city of 12,000 pre-invasion with only as little as 140,000 casualties.

>>64502735
>may
key word

>>64502542 (OP)
>Realistically and militarily speaking what would Russia need to do to recover all the territories lost during pic related?
If UFOs came and disabled all nukes worldwide, then Russia would be able to solo Europe with Norks giving them shells and if the US stayed out, it would just take 5-10 years. Europe does not have populations willing to fight or the industrial capacity that would be needed to build up an army capable of resisting.

>>64502738
The Russians have been geolocated at every corner of Pokrovsk, north-east, north-west, the very north. Russian military police are deployed in southern Pokrvosk now, the city is basically 99% captured.

>>64502797
>Russian military police are deployed in southern Pokrvosk now
What are they even doing there? There is no civilian population to police, are they discouraging or perhaps enforcing army male rape?

>>64502797
Russia can't even solo Ukraine, stop getting your understanding of geopolitics from world war two themed furry porn

>>64502797
>Europe does not have populations willing to fight or the industrial capacity that would be needed to build up an army capable of resisting.
We are all ready to fight if the prospect of being conquered by Russia is on the table. And yes, Europe has an absurd industrial capacity, if needed it will go on war footing very quickly.

>>64502809
>Russia can't even solo Ukraine,
That's what they are doing right now buddy, Pokrovsk is captured, Mirnograd is encircled with ~2000 AFU inside, Kupyansk is 75%+ captured

>>64502811
>We are all ready to fig-ACK
see pic related, every poll gets roughly the same numbers

>, Europe has an absurd industrial capacity, if needed it will go on war footing very quickly.
Funny because they've been trying and failing to do that for 3.5 years now. Also, making military supplies requires energy and in the total cut-off of Russian gas they would be dependent on importing expensive liquid LNG that could be prevented through long-range missiles striking the ports where its offloaded

>>64502822
In reality, russia, North Korea, Iran and Cuba supported by India, China and the rest of the turd world fail to defeat Ukraine who is propped up by the table scraps from the west.

Yo fail to see this because you are brown.

>>64502822
Who is going to tell this multipolar poster that Pokrovsk has a current population of less than a thousand people, and it used to be a tactical objective, but since it was completely destroyed, it's just a symbolic one?
Mirnograd is not a city, it's a small town, with even fewer people than current day Pokrovsk. Kupyansk boasts about 2k people.
We are talking about towns that no longer exist, Ivan. You aren't capturing towns, you are moving into ruins. Better zoom out on the Ukraine map to see how absurdly little progress World's Second Army(tm) has made in three years. It cost you over 140,000 casualties for a town of 1000. Is this what Europe is supposed to be afraid of?

>>64502797
>The Russians have been geolocated at every corner of Pokrovsk, north-east, north-west, the very north. Russian military police are deployed in southern Pokrvosk now, the city is basically 99% captured.
Lone mobiks getting stuck in cellars doesn't really count for capturing territory.

>>64502830
>they've been trying and failing to do that for 3.5 years now
Not a single country has even entertained the need to go on war footing, you absolute retard. Are you Indians/Russians really this retarded?

>>64502834
If Ukraine is fighting Cuba, then Russia is fighting America

>>64502822
>Pokrovsk is captured
Just two more weeks anon, don't jump the gun!

>>64502845
>but since it was completely destroyed, it's just a symbolic one?
Taking Pokrovsk will allow the Russians to keep pushing northwest and thereby cut off and encircle Sloviansk and Kramatorsk, making it easy to capture them with light losses.

> It cost you over 140,000 casualties for a town of 1000
delusional

>>64502822
An invader slowly bleeding out in a stalemated forever war is losing.

>>64502867
>Taking Pokrovsk will allow the Russians to keep pushing northwest and thereby cut off and encircle Sloviansk and Kramatorsk, making it easy to capture them with light losses.
Double check your fucking map.
>delusional
Alright, buddy. Whatever you say, those nearly two years of meat waves probably resulted in zero deaths and a few lightly wounded, no doubt. Ukies claim 170,000, I go as low as 140,000, and I am being generous for using non-ukie sources.

>>64502805
>What are they even doing there?
Looting, most assuredly.

>>64502872
>Looting, most assuredly.
There isn't even anything to loot, the town is gone. Is there even a single building standing?

>>64502845
Russia is the second army, US is the first with a HUGE power gap
everyone else is either unable to outnumber the Russians, or even more incompetent than them

>>64502877
They're looting the previous meatwaves, some of them had shoes

>>64502879
>Russia is the second army, US is the first with a HUGE power gap
>everyone else is either unable to outnumber the Russians, or even more incompetent than them
Am I looking at the guy who promised to stream himself eating his own shit?
Russia can't take even 20% of Ukraine, and it had a 14% head start. Are you even fucking suggesting this is the second army? Are you on krokodil? Were your parents alcoholics or drug addicts? Even fucking India is probably stronger. Lest you even suggest a combined European army.

>>64502797
I'd say Europe might beat them back with massive losses
but only if China does not join, and only if every state works together and fully commits to the war

>>64502880
some of them had shoes

>>64502877
>There isn't even anything to loot
My child, you're not thinking like a slav. Think of all the bronze fixtures and the delicious copper wire wanting to be taken! Heck, maybe even an intact porcelain throne if you're lucky.

>>64502887
Who is the second army?
Ukraine who is outnumbered and losing ground?
One of the small EU armies?
China who is unproven and likely to be even more incompetent?

>>64502891
>I'd say Europe might beat them back with massive losses
We are talking about a continent with stealth fighters, ballistic missile submarines, and carrier strike groups. Not an army of donkey-riding alcoholics who are projected to take Ukraine in about 400 years with the current speed, or rather have their country collapse under the strain in a decade.

>>64502899
France, South Korea, Japan, India, China... Take your pick.

>>64502899
>what's defence in depth he asks again pretending to be retarded
russia lost get over it

>>64502900
>Not an army of donkey-riding alcoholics who are projected to take Ukraine in about 400 years with the current speed,
Straight-line distance from Kurakhove Uspenivka ≈ 67.8 km.

Time between the (Russian-claimed) capture of Kurakhove (6 Jan 2025) and the reported capture of Uspenivka (7 Nov 2025) = 305 days.
Reuters
+1

Average westward progression over that interval ≈ 0.222 km/day (≈ 222 m/day, or 1.55 km/week).

Distance from Uspenivka to the Poland border (I used the common Poland–Ukraine crossing at Shehyni / Medyka as a representative border point) ≈ 1,008 km (great-circle).
en.dokladno.com
+1

At the same average rate, time to reach the Polish border ≈ 4,537 days ≈ 12.4 years (≈ 12 years 5 months).

>>64502923
>12 more years
LMAO

>>64502907
First tree dont have the manpower
Japan does not even have a real army
These countries could never conquer Russia 1v1 and would take massive casualties in a defensive war
Last two are the only ones that stand a chance due to sheer numbers, but every issue with the Russian army also applies to them (even worse imo)

>>64502830
"Fighting for your country" is equivocal. In Eastern Europe it means "fighting for your homeland against Russia." In Western Europe it means, "Dying to give brown people's homelands to rich corporate owners."

>>64502923
>At the same average rate, time to reach the Polish border ≈ 4,537 days ≈ 12.4 years (≈ 12 years 5 months)
Except the terrain is not a flat pan that people just keep walking on. This is a country. With cities, towns, etc. and logistics.
Someone out there had created an absurdly autistic calculation on progress projection, pretty sure it can be found online. But if 12 years is the best they can do without attacking major cities, good luck to them I guess. Not going to even entertain the assumption Russia can force the Dnipro or take Kherson and Odessa.

>>64502923
pussia doesn't have 12 months let alone years

>>64502939
*three

>>64502542 (OP)
>to recover all the territories
nothing since it wasn't vatniks in the first place despite occupying it temporarily after lucking out in ww2 due to US stupidity. last thing snowgeria of today needs is more territory anyway. They can't even manage what they have now

the propaganda itt lmao, are glowies shitting themselves? what you say about united euroasia?

>>64502939
>First tree dont have the manpower
Are you truly so retarded as to think a modern country relies on meat waves?
Also, Japan not having an army, oh boy...
And no, nobody is going to be "taking over Russia", they just need to destroy Moscow and be done with it. The rest will balkanize within months.
You simply cannot compare a 20th Century meat wave gas station with an actual modern army. The ones who would put a cruise missile into the Kremlin before Putin has had breakfast.

>>64502822
when are you going to beat the snail pidorashka?
>encirclement posting in 2025
lol. lmao.

Reminder what Russian shills expected to happen three years ago.

>>64502959
>Are you truly so retarded as to think a modern country relies on meat waves?
Yes
Wars are usually won by the side with the most numbers, unless one side is trying to fight guns with spears

>>64502977
This is the most retarded thing I've ever read.
Just read up on the battle of Mogadishu where US troops faced a literal 10 to 1 disadvantage in numbers, thirdie

>>64502959
Wars are usually won by the side with the most numbers, unless one side is trying to fight guns with spears
Russia has cruise missiles too

>>64502977
>Wars are usually won by the side with the most numbers, unless one side is trying to fight guns with spears
Russia lost to fucking Chechnya lol. The US had to save them during WW2 (a fact Russian books try to memoryhole) against Germany, Russia lost Afghanistan so badly that it became one of the things that broke up the USSR... Japan beat China... Which war was won by numbers?

>>64502988
WW2 Japan was stronger than modern Japan, they were still losing to China before they got nuked

>>64502986
>Russia has cruise missiles too
The Western ones are stealth, though. And Russia has no systems that can intercept them.
Somebody please fucking post the video of the Stormshadow gently making a turn over a desperately firing AA battery and slamming into the fire control radar, I lost it and I regret it to this day.

>>64502993
>WW2 Japan was stronger than modern Japan
Modern Japan is very technologically advanced, and can project power over the seas. Russia lost its Black Sea fleet to a country with no navy.

>>64502984
They were fighting militias with no armor or air support and still had to retreat
The UN rescue force outnumbered the Somalis

>>64503000
It's more advanced because any 2025 army is more advanced than a WW2 army
For their time, i'd say Imperial Japan was stronger
They conquered a big chunk of Asia

>>64502994
And still no missiles have hit the Kremlin
Stormshadows have not been able to negate the numbers advantage

>>64502830
Your Tsar is feeble and so is your country Russian, you are not a superpower and never will be.

>>64503029
>no missiles have hit the Kremlin
just like no missiles have hit the presidents office in kyiv.
guess russian missiles are worthless and the case can be closed.

>>64503000
>lost its black sea navy
It currently has more ships than it did before the war, lmao

>>64503038
> just like no missiles have hit the presidents office in kyiv.
And yet they’ve hit factories and power plants in Lvov to the west as well as countless military and industrial targets in Kiev and its suburbs, do you really think they couldnt target government buildings in Kiev if they wanted to? Use your brain.

>>64502727
lmao
how did i miss this

>>64502993
>they were still losing to China before they got nuked
OK chang

>>64502822
>Pokrovsk is captured
Two more weeks?

>>64503002
There are two ways to look at it
One: A smaller force of US troops succesfully beat off over a thousand Somalis, disproving your theory
Or Two: A large coalition force were routed from the Mog by a smaller force of Somalis, leading to collapse of public support and the end of Operatiom Gothic Serpent, disproving your hypothesis

TLDR u dum asl

>>64503064
you're an imbecile. you said ukraine couldn't hit the kremlin, now it's suddenly about other targets.
are you saying that nato missiles didn't hit anything? you fucking brain dead shill.

>>64503064
then what are you waiting for pidor? gesture of goodwill again kek. Ukranians destroyed 1/3 of your strategic bombers in a single day and sunk the oh so mighty moskva flagship. those alone are worth of retaliation against Kyiv heart, hmm?

>>64503073
Why would the Ukrainians use blackhawks to insert SOF on a failed mission to recapture northern Pokrovsk if northern Pokrovsk is held by the AFU?

>>64503083
whole pokrovsk is a grey zone you fucking retard. read your own z propagandists, that's exactly what they're saying.

>>64503082
> those alone are worth of retaliation against Kyiv heart, hmm?
Unlike the Maidan regime, Russia does not commit terrorist acts

>>64503088
only on CopeState, every credible mapper has Pokrovsk 95+% red and only a few streets on the outer limits in grey

>>64503083
You know it rustled mad jimmies by how hard they're trying to spin that helo insertion kek
Russia got major egg on xir's face

>>64502830
>all border nations have a high willingness to fight
Idk what you thought you were prooving here but it wasn't that

>>64503106
>spin
they all got droned and it was immediately geolocated my guy

>>64503102
But Russians aren't anywhere near Pokrovske, anon

>>64503116
why was there a bunch of old footage in that 'proof'?

>>64503116
Anon you spammed the webms a million times; we know you're lying lmao

>puccia getting carped bombed nightly
>zigshills keep inventing victories because that's all they can do
kek

>>64502542 (OP)
it only needs the West to implode economically, as USSR did.
the funny thing is that's not exactly impossible.

>>64502797
Germany alone has three times the industrial production as Russia. Even shrunken, the ratios today are vastly better than they were in 1941. Even in manpower the situation is easier, as Germany is about the same and Russia's population is a quarter smaller (both have similarly inverted pyramids)

>>64503038
Guess missiles are worthless

>>64503137
> Germany alone has three times the industrial production as Russia
And yet they’ve been trying and failing for 3.5 years to make enough shells for Ukraine and their factories have been closing left and right due to sky-high energy costs.

Without affordable energy you cannot make anything

>>64503154
Anon's handlers haven't fed him the new пpaвдa, Ukraine hasn't had an artillery shell shortage since summer 2024.

>>64503157
> Ukraine hasn't had an artillery shell shortage since summer 2024.
The rate-limiting factor is that most of their artillery has been destroyed and the rest brought back over to the western side of the Dneiper, but if their artillery shortage was magically solved, they would go back to not having enough shells for them.

>>64503162
>more imaginary victories
lmao keep going amigo you're doing real good

>>64502542 (OP)
Become part of the EU and displace Germany as the prime mover and shaker.
Which is something they could had feasibly done before this clusterfuck.

>>64502994
This one?

>>64503162
>The rate-limiting factor is that most of their artillery has been destroyed
What causes delusions like this? lead in water?

>>64503029
(you)

>>64502994
Or was it this one?
https://files.catbox.moe/5y84zp.mp4

>>64503238
>s-400 can't even defeat a fucking
>cruise missile
>using 6 of its own
Scratch what I said earlier, the US could completely obliterate all of china with their jassm stocks. Not just the coasts and manufacture bases.

>>64502822
Look man the situation in Pokrovsk isn’t good for Ukraine at all but they haven’t wasted their own men’s lives and then claim the war is over every five seconds a town of 409(pre war) was taken. And Ukraine will definitely not make it easy for Russia trying to capture it

>>64502993
China was fighting itself more than the Japanese at that time.

>>64502854
There are not thousands of Americans in Ukraine but there are over 5,000 Cubans fighting for the vatniggers.

>>64502797
>If UFOs came and disabled all nukes worldwide, then Russia would be able to solo Europe
The EU and UK have more professional solders in uniform, more military aircraft, more fighters, more aircraft carriers, more money, more people, more and better tanks, more long range MLRS etc etc

Where the fuck do you brown morons get your ideas from? There are 1.6 MILLION active duty soldiers in Europe.


You think in your village that Russia is able to conquer Europe? Really? You realise the Russian population is 144 million and the EY population is 450 million and the UK another 70 million? Europe has 1700 supersonic combat aircraft? Greece and poland alone have more woperational tanks than Russia.

Come on, your from somailia or mali or somewhere. You can't be this fucking thick.

If it came to a contentional war tomorrow, Europe could erase Rusisa and probably whereeever toiletless place you are from without breaking a sweat. Get the fuck off this board.

>>64503195
Gunnily enough it was Russian abuse of conscripts being raised legally in the EU by parents that caused Putin to withdraw from it's baby steps to membership and the European Court of human rights. Particularly the incidences of organ havesting and forced prositution and muderers

>>64503195
I've been saying this for the past 20 years. Russia would be a major player in the EU, not a 'prime mover and shaker' because the EU is too big for that, even Germany isn't really anything like it, but it would have tremendous power within its institutions and provide a counterweight to bongs, frogs and submissive germoids.

I just want a return to gun-boat diplomacy with the 3rd world. Fuck this negotiation and getting ripped off bullshit. OPEC trying to play markets? Park a naval squdron on their shores and politely ask them to increase production and bring down energy prices. Instead we're bending over backwards to appease every faggot with money and some gear.

I hate it.

>>64503419
Yes, but those are in the fallen material world rather than the higher plane of furfaggotry. Russia has the strongest collective fursona, so they would win.

The EU minus the UK
1.6 million personel in uniform including elite regiments, all professionnal
1700 supersonic combat aircraft
More than 1200 fighter aircraft
4 aircraft carriers + heli carriers
5000+ tanks
About 2900 tanks better than anything Russia has
3000+ military helicopters
450 million people
1,700 tanks in procurement
well over 1000 long range MLRS
Finland alone has 700 howizers and 700 heavy mortars
The EU has an ecoonomy pre invasion 12 times the size of Russia
etc etc

Then there is the UK. More jets, carriers, troops etc another major economy another 70 million people
Russias entire military is bogged down and running on fumes in Ukraine (which has a 900,000 strong military in addition) , Russia is broke and nas zero carriers, less than 800 combat aircraft left mostly obsolete

How the fuck does some smelly brown retard like this >>64502797 think that Russia can conquer Europe? How are these retards that fucking deluded?

>>64502830
>long-range missiles striking the ports where its offloaded

Ah, yes. All those effective Russian missile strikes against strategic targets, like hospitals, apartment complexes, parks, and random fucking fields.

>>64503464
yes even though russia has less of everything from soldiers to people to planes, helcopters, tanks, apcs, people, capital ships and money, russian make do and willingness to die will win even though ther entire military is stuck in ukraine and using field guns made before ww2 ukraine because brown thoughts

It would be hilarious to see panzer regiments, british paras, the ksk, the sas, Commandos Marine, Rotal Martines, Chassrur Alpine and the FFL take on mobiks but sadly the mobiks are all busy dying.

B rowns reallt don;t have a clue how weak russia really was or is now

>>64502971
>>64502975
holy kek saw the second but forgot the first

>>64502830
Xaxaxa PUCCIA has plenty of volunt-ACK!

Also, check your fucking logo poojeet:

https://www.linkedin.com/company/asmat-in/

>SAAAR! SAAAR! DO NOT REDEEM THE NEW DELHI MARKETING CONSULTANT! DO NOT REDEEEEM!!!!

>>64503513
Browns in positions of authority are aware, that's why so much of central asia/the caucasus is starting to make deals with the west. They can see the bear has been gelded.

>>64502892
never thought gonna see the GLA tech tree irl

>>64503550
the aftermath of when pozzia third empire implodes after bankrupting itself is going to be kino

>>64503568
imagine how many true believer commies will ack themselves and how many more will pivot to the chinks to save them next

>>64502879
>everyone else is either unable to outnumber the Russians, or even more incompetent than them
>outnumber
How fucking ignorant are you?
>Total EU population: 450 million
>Russia population (before it became a secret): 142 million
>14:1 and a minimum of 1.5 million casualties vs a nation a fifth of its size
Exactly from where are you going to bring fighting men because as >>64503549 shows most of your people are already trying to pretend SMO isn't happening?

Do you think we don't remember? Hundreds of thousands of you fled Russia scared shitless before monke was forced to put a contractnik production line to calm you down:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/where-have-russians-been-fleeing-since-mobilisation-began-2022-10-06/

>>64502542 (OP)
Man fuck Albania

>>64503513
>Browns really don't have a clue how weak russia really was or is now

Not really:

https://www.armyrecognition.com/archives/archives-land-defense/land-defense-2024/peru-modernizes-armored-fleet-with-south-korean-4x4-k808-ifvs-and-k2-tanks-to-replace-soviet-era-vehicles?highlight=WyJwZXJ1Il0%3D

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3307155/how-china-filling-weapons-supply-gap-africas-sahel-left-france-and-russia

https://news.az/news/president-aliyev-ties-with-nato-expanding-army-aligned-with-alliance-standards

Most of the Third World already saw the writing in the wall and are switching to non-russian systems.