>>40081089
the world (mostly) gave up slavery because anglos (the british and the union) did two things:
1. made it economically inferior to other modes of production by inventing technology
2. started killing people who wanted to keep their slaves even if it was economically suboptimal.
this is how progress against atrocities happens. you first build the means of outcompeting societies that use atrocities as load-bearing components of their economy, and then you kill the people who don't voluntarily quit committing the atrocities.
>>40081106
i'm not a pacifist. the choices are not simply pacifism or tribalism. if we look at a modern example, the rape gangs in england were not just the result of letting pakistani muslims into england, but also of a refusal to enforce the law against them. you don't actually have to declare pakistani muslims to be subordinate to white british, you just have to enforce the law in every case and (this is the part where the british version of multiculturalism failed) not be particularly bothered that this means you're going to imprison pakistani men at a higher rate than white british men. also totally legitimate and non-tribalist to screen immigrants based on personal characteristics and values!
"progressivism that doesn't give a fuck about disparate impact" achieves almost all of the things you say you want tribalism for but with almost none of the costs.
