Why are chasers so awkward around trans women?

>>40083061 (OP)
Men are awkward around women they like.

>>40083061 (OP)
Because I'm attracted to trans women and I know how high their standards are. Plus, they're not exactly common, so the pressure to not fuck up is intense.

>>40083061 (OP)
When I first saw my trans gf irl I was super scared she'd hate me. When she took off her boymoder jacket she looked so hot I wanted to pounce on her and fuck her silly.

>>40083097
only extremely attractive passing trannies have high standards (like cis women)

>>40083118

>>40083061 (OP)
I can’t rub two sentences together talking to cis women but immediately gain rizz talking to trans girls. Blessing and a curse I suppose.

>>40083093
This was me on my first date with a trans non-binary, except I'm just awkward around mostly anyone

>>40083061 (OP)
Because I'm a horny loser that's intimidated by their beauty

>>40083190
>immediately gain rizz talking to trans girls
How do you do it??

>>40083097
>how high their standards are
lol lmao evem

>>40083190
trannies have the same autistic interests as you so you can actually talk to them.

>>40083226
I’m pretty sure this is it. I have no common ground to talk to cis women but can talk about obscure JRPGs and card games with trans women all day long.

>>40083061 (OP)
Im awkward around cis women too bitch you arent special

I'd kill myself if I ever made one I actually like uncomfortable. As such I refuse to make a move until I'm certain she doesn't dislike me. That stems from the fact that I'm ugly though so that may just be me.....

Because all I can think about is sucking their fat hung gigahon cock

>>40083061 (OP)
Because i know shes analyzing my every move and i have to not fuck this up

>>40083061 (OP)
We have autism I'm sorry

>>40083061 (OP)
fuck all of you. Imagine just casually getting chasers left and right, meanwhile I'm stuck here crying in my room, writing to a bunch of anonymous fags who couldn't give a fuck about me.

Fuck. You.

>>40083456
real... I want a chaser but I also dont want to fuck I wish there were romantic chasers

>>40083456
this isn't an invitation for chasers either, because I know if you saw me irl, you would feel revolted. Keep your empty compliments and fake pity to yourselves.

>>40083472
I wanna cum in your mouth whore

>>40083467
ill love you as long as youre patient with me and love me back

>>40083467
Sex is romance.

>>40083467
Why don't you want to fuck

>>40083472
Why do you think you're ugly?

>>40083479
fuck off. I hate all of you so much.

>>40083061 (OP)

>>40083483
aww :(
>>40083495
I dont think so
>>40083497
because I don't get horny, I think I could manage every now and then but idk

>>40083531
>I dont think so
Well you're plainly wrong.

>>40083547
how? I guess u could say it can be part of romance, but it isn't necessary, at least not to me. maybe we love differently and thats ok

>tfw no tranny gf that's okay with me being an awkward loser

>tfw no 9/10 stealth passoid gf with huge knockers who doesnt care that im a jobless loser

Im okay with awkward/autistic losers, but chasers weird me the everloving fuck out. I dont want to be reminded of my transness and being pursued specifically because of it does exactly that. :/
Shame cuz some of yall seem like sweethearts.

>>40083587
id be okay with that, thats cute

>>40083497
>Why do you think you're ugly?

I'm nearly too tall 5'9, brown, hair is disgusting, my eyes look tired, my face is getting fatter, my lips are too thin, my face is asymmetrical, my body looks gross, my ears are too pointy, my shoulders are too wide, my Adams apple, my breast tiny compared to my oversized disgusting pepperoni nipples, my voice doesn't match my appearance, and my overall body proportions are FUCKED.

I'm very very VERY ugly.

>>40083456
>>40083467
Until I found my trans gf (who I plan to marry), I was persistently rejected by your lot for being too weird and not wanting to just talk about sex, being too much of a hopeless romantic.
Look yourselves in the mirror and make sure you're not part of the problem.
>>40083587
They're out there. At least do something with your life and don't just make your conversations about how you're a hopeless sad loser, and you'll be fine in due time.
>>40083610
Well most of them don't really want to date you at all. They just want nudes/sex then move on when you're not longer sexually interesting.

>>40083617
Really? I need someone like you

>>40083627
That doesn't sound bad at all. I think you have brain worms

>>40083673
>Look yourselves in the mirror and make sure you're not part of the problem.

I'm not just talking about chasers, I'm talking about the general isolation I feel, dumbass. Plus your kind is most likely to reject me, so don't give me that bullshit.

>>40083673
>Well most of them...
Yea yea yea I get that. I think the overly sweet words about how beautiful trans people are draw my attention, but ultimately I realize that to them I'm just a fetish.
It doesnt help that I have a trans friend who is very much a chaser. She's actually been a large part of boosting my self confidence, and there is no chance of us ever starting a relationship, so I can take her words earnestly, but still...

>>40083558
I never said it was necessary.
How is sharing each other physically not romantic? How is blowing somebodies mind not romantic?
>>40083610
You just need to stop projecting your hangups. Just because you don't like being a tranny doesn't mean that there is something inherently wrong with being a tranny. Us men who are into trannies will seem a lot less weird to you when you do so, even if we are fundamentally incompatible.

>>40083673
>Until I found my trans gf (who I plan to marry), I was persistently rejected by your lot for being too weird and not wanting to just talk about sex, being too much of a hopeless romantic.
I envy you, Anon, yet you also give me some hope. Maybe one day I'll join you in the sun. How did you meet her?

>>40083610
honestly i dont even care about sex that much i just wanna be loved. i dont care about genitals and cis women are repulsed by any display of weakness so i have always bonded with trans women much better because you are all so much nicer to me

>>40083721
>Projecting hangups
Its not that I particularly dislike it. I just dont want to be reminded about it. I pass well enough that I can almost forget about the things that cause my dysphoria or existential dread on most days.
Being pursued specifically because of my transness reminds me of the things that cause me dysphoria, which inevitably results in me kinda faceplanting into it and ruining days/weeks, ya get what I'm saying?
Like I said, aint nothing wrong with it. Preferences are preferences and as long as you are treating a person as a person instead of an object, its all cool. But I just, I dunno, I cant.
Like, this is the exact thing right here! "Youre not inherently broken for being trans" is a great and beautiful message! That kind of stuff is what we need more of in the world. But when I think about someone specifically valuing it rather than (or even alongside) all of the other great things about me, I start catching ick.
>>40083762
Mmm, this sounds like youre characterizing broad demographics if people which isnt super healthy. All cis women aren't necessarily gonna be repulsed by that... and similarly, not all trans women will accept vulnerability.

>>40083721
I didn't mean that it wasn't romantic, I think I misunderstood you cause when u said sex is romance I thought that you were implying that like they were inseparable or something im sorry

>>40083762
you're perfect

>>40083800
There is a very, very small percentage of men who pursue trannies just for being trannies, otherwise the hons here wouldn't be so bitter.
Most of us feel the same way about transness as giant tits, or a nice ass.
Nobody claims that those things degrade someone's other values. It is only because of the negative connotations of being trans that people assume "well if you're into trannies you can't possibly like them as a person as well and it must be the only thing you're into".
Nobody says this about men who are into cis women because a woman being cis has no negative connotations. The more people, and especially trannies, perpetuate these ideas the more they drive normal men away.
>>40083806
You are forgiven.

>>40083800
>Mmm, this sounds like youre characterizing broad demographics if people which isnt super healthy. All cis women aren't necessarily gonna be repulsed by that... and similarly, not all trans women will accept vulnerability.

maybe, it's not really a hard rule though, I'm just saying trans women usually accept vulnerability better and are overall much more pleasant to be around, from my experience.

>>40083810
t-thanks anon...

>>40083696
Any hideous tranny can post herself on /lgbt/ and get tons of offers. The chasers are the pursuers and by nature are the ones being rejected/accepted.
>>40083705
I'd assume people saying "trans women are so beautiful!!!" are just fetishists or are just lying. My idea of romance isn't worshipping your body or things generally applicable to MtFs. It'd be in a pure sense of love, loving actions, and doing romantic things together (cuddling, taking long walks together, etc.).
>>40083759
On 4chan but not /lgbt/.
>>40083800
>which isnt super healthy
It's obviously generally true, though. Cis women only tolerate weakness in men at best. They won't comfort you or accept you unless you're attractive.

>>40083617
Come back please

>>40083835
Yeh. Its not that I feel like my other properties are being devalued. Its just like...
Gosh
This is hard as fuck to explain because this has been THE big hangup for me lately, so bear with me here cuz my logic is likely backwards...
But, like...
Huh...
Okay here
If a woman is born with no arms
And a person pursues her because he likes her having no arms
It just feels ick?
Like, what if I had arms? Cuz thats the first thing I'd wish for if I found a genie, to have arms.
Would people who previously liked me just... stop???
Tho, your "guys that like boobs/ass" thing puts a hell of a weird spin on my fucked up logic. Like, am I wrong for melting over people who have freckles? Of course not, even tho some people really dislike their freckles.
But, I think a lot of it comes from just the pain involved. Like, dysphoria is intense pain. Ive had part of my spinal cord ripped out (worst pain of my life, felt like having a molten rod running from my ass to my toes for days til it went all numb) and id choose to experience that pain every day for the rest of my life just to not experience dysphoria. Chasers feel like they are looking at that spinal injury and going "ya, thats my thing"
Like, thanks for liking this gaping puss filled hole in my soul, I guess???
>>40083843
Dont get me wrong, 90% of my friends are trans or genderqueer and my partner is trans, so I dont have much ground to stand on... Glad you've had positive experiences, tho.
>>40083888
>unless youre attractive
The curse of being a generally attractive person, ig. Rarely experienced rejection for vulnerability - the one partner i ever had who didnt let me cry was actually a man!

>>40083895
hi im back

I hope she still likes me
I honestly don't know

>>40083946
>>40083483
i was serious about this drop discord

>>40083906
>You just need to stop projecting your hangups. Just because you don't like being a tranny doesn't mean that there is something inherently wrong with being a tranny. Us men who are into trannies will seem a lot less weird to you when you do so, even if we are fundamentally incompatible.

>>40083946
I need you

>>40083061 (OP)
bc we're crushing on you

>>40083906
>Chasers feel like they are looking at that spinal injury and going "ya, thats my thing"
>Like, thanks for liking this gaping puss filled hole in my soul, I guess???

I think about this a lot. For a long time, I had concerns over being attracted to trans women because I hated the idea of fetishizing/objectifying a group of people. For that reason, I went out of my way to learn about the trans experience and what it involves. Having done that, I feel I have a much better understanding now than before. Now I can be assured that I am attracted to trans women as people worthy of love and respect, and not as a sexual fantasy.

>>40083964
sigh
Okay
Clearly that wasnt helpful last time...
>>40083990
So having looked into the trans experieonce, what is it that you value? Like, what are you general thoughts on us?

It might look like bad faith perspective, but im at a point right now where I actually want to understand the people that legitimately see beauty in transness. Im really really really sick of having lowkey meltdowns over this.

>>40083986
Real unfortunately
I start out highly jokey and funny
Then when I start actually liking her that crumbles and I get weird

>>40084021
I should make sure im clear that while I dont see transness as a bad thing... I view my transness as a source of pain. That's kinda the crux of my confusion and ick.

>>40083587
>>40083603
Crazy thing is that if either of you stopped being losers, you would start looking for cis women. What a sad world for us trannies.

>>40084079
Uh yeah you need to get a loser boyfriend then stockholm him so that even if you fix him he wont leave you

>>40084021
>So having looked into the trans experieonce, what is it that you value? Like, what are you general thoughts on us?

I think I now have a better understanding of the pain and struggle that comes with being trans (dysphoria, social rejection, prejudice). I sympathize with the struggles and I admire the strength needed to endure them.

It is apparent to me that, for trans women, femininity is something to be achieved - a goal to be strived for. You don't take your femininity for granted at all. And I am attracted to femininity, so I respect that.

I have also come to learn that the male socialization a trans woman will have been through early in her life allows for a sort of connection that is not there in cis women. To be clear, I'm not saying trans women are male or male-brained, but you would have been at some point socialized as a male. This isn't conjecture, either, as I have experienced this first-hand with IRL trans friends and my previous trans gf.

I'm not pretending to be an expert on anything. These are my observations over the years.

>>40084021
>>40084037
This is exactly my point. You can not want to be with men who are into trannies because you don't like being a tranny. That is fine. In fact it is better for everyone because it stops conflict around an inherent incompatibility. You just shouldn't project that onto trans attraction as a whole.
Or to use your example you can be missing arms, and that can make you miserable, and you can not like the idea of being a relationship with someone who is into the idea of someone not having arms. But you can't pretend like there is something inherently wrong about that attraction.

>>40084079
I'm perfectly fine with this >>40084092
I wouldn't have the mindset to leave her anyways

>>40083956
ok it's smtivjellyfish
sorry for late reply I got scared

>>40083061 (OP)
They have to pretend to be a top until yoi let your guard down and in the heat of the drunken moment he sticks your penis in his butt.

>>40083467
I am explicitly chasing real connection and romance
No interest in just nudes or smashing alone

>>40083061 (OP)
It's only solidarity if you have the approved opinions

>>40084119
added you. hof

Fuckin hell I am way too buzzed

>>40083061 (OP)
In my experience, they have like zero game.

Adding a trip for some continuity...
>>40084101
Before I start, im not trying to refute anything. Just kinda placing my thoughts as they come. I really appreciate you for taking the time to spell that out, sweetie.
>strength
Would you admire a survivor of child abuse? Rape? A burn survivor? Admiring strength to overcome always seems to cross me as a really polite way to say "wow, sorry you went through that". I mean, its better than looking down on someone for it, but it still feels judgmental.
On this point I may actually be projecting a bit, tho, so I digress.
>being attracted to femininity & femininity as a goal
I can kinda respect that. My femininity is a hard fought victory and one that I have to win every. single. day. I dont get to just wake up to it (and that hurts like a motherfucker)
>male socialization
Ow oof ow fuck ow. I think this is what gets it - the idea that I somehow understand men. I dont, because I was a girl being chastised for not acting like a boy. I never got to get the full male experience because I spent so much time rejecting it.
Like, fact is, I dont get my guy friends pretty much at all. Like, I get them on a human to human level, but I dont really understand their experiences in life as men or the way they think.
It feels like... trying to connect with a sort of perceived maleness, which I think is precisely what rubs me poorly (or at least part of it)
Mmmm... I can see where your perception comes from tho, and maybe it holds true for other trans women... so I can forgive it - this may actually be a common underlying occurrence - liking the mix of feminine and masculine aspects. Maybe if I didnt abhor my own masculinity so much it wouldnt sting the way it does to read.
>>40084109
Here's the thing tho... Im *trying* to understand. My general philosophy is that all love is beautiful (so long as it is consensual and harms no one, ofc). So... why does it bother me? Like, why do I hate the idea of someone liking me??? It fucks me up so bad

>>40084168
Wow I forgot to add the actual trip

>>40084168
>Admiring strength to overcome always seems to cross me as a really polite way to say "wow, sorry you went through that"
That isn't where I'm coming from at all. It is not pity. What I admire is the strength to endure, not the fact that the person has experienced pain.

>Ow oof ow fuck ow. I think this is what gets it - the idea that I somehow understand men
I get it. That's why I was careful to say that I don't see trans women as male or as male-brained. And you're right, not every trans woman will have had male socialization in the typical sense.

>Maybe if I didnt abhor my own masculinity so much it wouldnt sting the way it does to read.
I'm sorry if I hit a sensitive point there. It wasn't my intention. I know some trans women aren't as bothered by this, but there are definitely those who are. Need to remember that.

>>40084250
No no no, you did exactly what I asked and I walked into it knowing (and braced for) the fact that I'd probably hear something that was gonna sting. That's fine, I can't say "let me see whats under the bandage" and then get mad at the doc for letting me look while he redresses it, yaknow?
Re male socialization, its like... yea, I was held to male standards and cosplayed as a dude for a loooong fuckin time. I repped for quite a while and only by virtue of luckshit genes did I get off actually kinda feminine. But I never quote GOT men, despite doing all the man stuff and building a career and generally acting convincingly enough that the only person who saw my transition coming was my brother (who knew me before I went into the closet for a fucking decade)
But
Yea okay I can get your point. Trying to think of it from a kind of third person perspective - like, if I werent trans and had your thoughts... ueh, hard to really conceptualize what im trying to say here so ill just say thanks for your effort, yaknow?

>>40083627
I am a random stranger with a partner and no real need to affirm you. I will tell you right now via this exact description (even assuming you made yourself seem better here) you're likely very pretty. Keep your head up, and seriously just take a couple chances. You sincerely 100% will fail if you keep hiding from people. Take some chances and you WILL fail a lot, but promise that more of those'll work out than if you sat around sad about this shit. Easier said than done, but start small. Talk to some strangers on a game or around a niche you like.

>>40084168
Because you are projecting your own feelings about your transness onto others. It's literally no different than anyone who is insecure about themselves sabotaging their relationship, only more extreme.
It is a universal truth that if you don't love and accept yourself you can't be in love with someone else.

>>40084420
Im not, tho... You're ducking around literally half my point here.

>>40083472
>pityposts for attention but has to immediately reject any guys who would be interested in her
yeah, youre real lonely.

>>40083281
?What about politiks trannies

>>40083097
I'm awkward around chasers because I recognize I'm kind of a girlfailure and I don't know if I'll be accepted :/

>>40084443
No I am not. I think you are just missing my point which is that you can't separate your feelings you have towards your own transness and the feelings that other people have towards trannies.

>>40084980
I’m a chud so I can only really talk politics with trannies if she’s like a Nazi tranny or generally edgy and apolitical

Never met a chaser irl, I dont think I intend to meet one anytime soon

>>40083762
same tho. i manage to date theyfab ciswomen but they end up hating me once they get over the shininess of dating a 6'2" gym twunk. also weirdly enough despite stereotypes saying that cis women dont care about sex ive found that every cis woman ive dated will go thermonuclear if you ever say youre not in the mood.