dear all shoulderhons
check ur posture u might not actually be as shoulderhon as u believe

>>40111000 (OP)
kms kms kms kms kms kms

what does this mean

>>40111030
haha

>>40111000 (OP)
what does it ,mean

>>40111030
basically anything over 36cm is a hon measurement anyway

>>40111088
surely yeah

>>40111111
fuk u man you stole my sextuples

>>40111111
idk just go outside, irl cis women are tiny, ansur data is super hugboxxy

>>40111058
>>40111088
kill myself. i dont even want to compare my ribcage. its so over

>>40111000 (OP)
Can I de wing it?
Also it won't fix my ribcage but it'll help I guess

>>40111156
> just take off the mask, the virus isn't real, we can't even see it with our naked eye
also, even if you want to assume that's true - just use CAESAR or DELSTU then

>>40111167
chill your conetits boymoder...
yes, you might not be a tiny UwU cuteoid woman, but your measurements are still within two standard deviations from the mean at your body height (NOT a statistical outlier from the cis women cohort even in the CEASAR dataset > see picrel)

>>40111088
i have a 39cm bicromial as a 5'4 pooner. you're FINE

>>40111267
Bideltoid is hugboxxy tho bc troons have significantly less arm fat than the average cis woman

>>40111267
i have no idea what that means. i just know every single woman i see on the streets my height or even taller has smaller shoulders and are less wide than me. i will never be a woman

>>40111287
bro 39cm biacromial for a 5'6 cis guy is a lot already; are you sure you're measuring it right? at 5'4 you're massive on that (but congrats lol bc its a male trait so you got lucky with that)

>>40111287
why would that matter ur pooner tendencies are prob the result of excessive masculinization

>>40111292
ok so bideltoid is hugboxxy but it's the only datapoint available in caesar / delstu and biacromial must be hugboxxy because it's only in ansur.
the pooner >>40111287 will of course also be hugboxxy for some inexplicable reason and the only thing that counts is the totally inaccurate measurements you perform with your own wormed eyes when you go outside.
i think y'all just want a hug that's why everything is hugboxx shaped in your eyes

HOW DO I DEWING IT

>>40111346
>these big ass half shoulders are fine, hon

>>40111307
>>40111308
hehe called it while writing - very predictable bait

>>40111355
please draw a the optimal outline that you wish for on top of that picture

>>40111355
weeb shirt

shoulders r ok, but i try to work on my posture daily at wo*k

>>40111374
its a stay at home shirt its full of the "blue" word in different languages
>>40111369
maybe this would be fine? would still be large but 36/37cm is a lot better than ALMOST 40CM

>>40111346
I have 39cm biac and 44cm bidel which means at least 5% of women should have bigger shoulders than me but every cis woman I see is visually much smaller than me and lots of women’s tops I’ve tried on are tight around the shoulders. These experiences matter more than anthropomorphic data bc those few data points don’t capture all the subtle differences between male and female shoulders

>>40111426
THIS
>omg the data says you're just a little bit over the standard
my real life experience shows me how im a LOT LARGER than cis women my height or taller. imagine a 5'4 girl then lol

>>40111411
I would suggest you start saving for clavicle reduction surgery then :)

>>40111456
ok i knew that already so we agree my shoulders are a lot larger than the standard and its not another "cute bdd boymoder being crazy in a thread" moment right

>>40111307
i am measuring it correctly. measured dozens of times (mentally ill worms). i used to get comments even when i was a skinny hs girl thar i had linebacker shoulders

>>40111426
> muh data is wrong
is literally the climate change, covid denier, vaccines are causing autism, etc. argument
your eyes aren't calipers and standardized measurements exist for a reason

>>40111456
yea let me just find the 10'000 dollars i have lying around so i can get the surgery to become a hunchback mmkay

>>40111465
no you're obviously, aggressively bdd, but also dysphoric so it's the only option you have left if you don't trust the data

>>40111483
> the 10'000 dollars i have lying around
money usually doesn't just show up lying around, you have to work to get it
why does everyone here assume the universe owes them womanhood for some reason?

>>40111478
I didn’t say the data is necessarily wrong, I’m saying 2 shoulder measurements is not enough to capture all the differences between sexes and is therefore meaningless to determine if your shoulders “look female.” I bet if you used a 3d scan you could clock agab 99% of time

>>40111478
its our daily lives omg lmaoooo
this is a normal size shoulders >>40111406
this is a large size shoulders >>40111355, and that other nona has similar measurements
>>40111491
you're just trolling me now. i dont pass. thats why im a boymoder. im not cute bdd etc etc, i look like a boy, in the face and in the body

>>40111511
well where do you think the caesar data is coming from?

>>40111531
I saying you would need to compare the entire point cloud, you can’t just use 2 measurements from the scan data

>>40111512
you don't get it. bdd =/= passoid
bdd is an actual mental illness and you have it
Body Dysmorphic Disorder

>>40111509
10k is not something i could make in a year

>>40111544
oh I can do that as much as I want

>>40111562
well it might take ten years then - no reason to stick your head in the sand. better keep trying and doing your best rather than sit around and do nothing else but doom

>>40111509
>why does everyone here assume the universe owes them womanhood
Because it cursed them with GD so it might as well make the process of treating it go smoothly.

>>40111000 (OP)
Ok how to fix?

>>40111553
im literally saying its not dysmorphia!!!! if i had 35cm biacromial or 41cm bideltoid and i were here saying 'omg im such a shoulderhon' THAT would be dysmorphia. me stating that 39cm/46cm shoulders are large and is something that makes passing harder is not dysmorphia. its just stating the truth

>>40111585
your entitlement is unreasonable. the universe is not a judging entity nona - nothing has meaning or purpose, it doesn't owe you anything. it doesn't care about you or anyone else. there is no god, there is no rebirth, there is no afterlife.
you have this little blip of consciousness and then it's back to feeling like the 13.7 billion years before you were born 'felt'.

>>40111596
you didn't say that at first, you said you want to commit sui over that fact and that got me concerned.
now you're at least reasonably thinking about the whole situation. good boymoder.

>>40111616
I disagree, little materialist, but I'm a Deist, so in my view the divine watchmaker is distant and indifferent.

>>40111088
>39 cm
>bb-b... but i get i get called she irl
iwnbaw will i

>>40111627
i will not kill myself bc of my shoulders
i will do it because of my nose my jaw my chin my shoulders my ribcage my (lack of) hips my penis etc

>>40111632
> the divine watchmaker is distant and indifferent
i think you should take that fact into account then when making wishes like these
> it might as well make the process of treating it [GD] go smoothly

>>40111584
buddy im fucking trying lol? what the hell do you think? retard

>>40111650
just save for ffs, get clavicle reduction, corsetmaxx, pio and / or workout, SRS
all of these issues have actually been figured out and you're able to solve them if you so desire. there's no reason to kill yourself :)

>>40111295
That's the spirit
But the other trannies won't be, either

>>40111698
can corseting actually reduce the rib cage size of an adult

>>40111693
well all i hear is complaining - that's not the right mindset imo...

>>40111707
seems so :)
https://old.reddit.com/r/estrogel/comments/iod975/unrelated_darth_dangerous_experiments_diy_shrink/

when i go outside i see most women have narrower shoulders than me, however it does look better with a correct posture (i have scapular winging)

>>40111672
I'm explaining to you people's feelings/mindset, not facts.

>>40111723
i need to buy one. do i need to be skinny? ive lost a lot of weight but im still 27 bmi

>>40111783
that's my mindset. ive prayed for God to make me a girl ever since i was a little kid and while i dont pray for material things anymore i still kinda hope for a miracle in some level of my being...

>>40111000 (OP)
what ab this i try to pull my shoulders back, 43cm bideltoid

>>40112006
giwtwm
you look great congrats ;-;

>>40112006
grow some boobs and imma be like LICKY LEE
reminds me i also need to lose weight and look slim like u

>>40112006
why must u hipmog me so hard? when does fat destribution happen? im on 7 months hrt

>>40111000 (OP)
these are what actual hon tier shoulders look like for reference

>>40111030
.. that’s not even that bad anon

I'd post my 17 inch man shoulders to put down all you twinks claiming you have hon-tier shoulders with a real example, but I'm not going to sit here and wait for the 15 minute cooldown to be up to post on my phone.

>>40112516
by the way, >>40112470 are my 17 inch shoulders, the same size as yours
and yes, i know i should not be on hrt and should be repping, ive been told

>>40112538
Well hey at least you didn't grow a yeti carpet you had to shave.

>>40112559
goalposts = moved

>>40112564
My goal is to point out that none of you are as much of a honbeast as me, so I'm not really moving the goalpost so much as revealing more information to prove my point in the face of disagreement.

>>40111000 (OP)
Mmmm feels good

>>40112587
just get laser, i am right and you know it

>>40112605
Anon if you think your shoulders are literally the same as mine then that's not win for you, we'd have to compare other measurements to find out. Like I'm 14/17in biacromial/bideltoid and 5'9".

>>40112624
yes i am 5'8 so mine are proportionally bigger than yours as well

>>40112642
How's the bust?

>>40112665
32 inches underbust, ive been told to detrans for that as well

>>40112670
33 here, so I got you there.

>>40112006
You’re gorgeous. I also pull them back

None of you pasty white bitches are real shoulder hons

Respectfully a real shoulder hon

>>40112670
Anon I outhon you by miles.

>>40112006
Built for baby making

>>40111000 (OP)
It doesn’t make your shoulders look bigger or smaller if you have this but you should fix it anyway because I didn’t and now I have a chronic pain condition :/

>>40112817
ive seen you before and at least you have hips, i have your shoulders and below that im also just a man :(

>>40112923
I don't have hips there's like no fat there I'm just built like any other skinny nigga except with cone tits

3 months in. At least my tits are plumping up...

>>40112978
your hip joint is wider than your iliac crest and rib cage at least, and almost as wide as your shoulders

>>40113238
It doesn't fix my masculine ass torso though so it literally doesn't matter

>>40113252

Aren't the differences in shoulder size kinda miniscule. Like unless you're an uber tiny petite cis woman then shoulder measurements go from like 14-17 inches? That's not much of a spectrum there

>>40113294
I don't need hugboxxing I'm well aware my body doesn't pass

>>40113373
It's not about passing, anon. You're not impersonating anyone. You're being yourself. Just count your blessings, is all.

I got incredibly lucky with proportions, 5'11" but haven't been clocked in years (including by a trans woman friend I made)
38cm/15in shoulder width
29in/74cm waist girth
Haven't measured hips

>>40113435
Is it really being myself if I still look like a dude I don't really like seeing?

>>40112837
we're both hons, so what

>>40112817
respectfully

>>40113501
Fair. I'm just happy to be moving in the right direction at all.

>>40113523
Still mogs my huge masculine shoulders what are you talking about

>>40113575
girl what

>>40113585
My shoulders are definitely wider and more masculine looking hello?

>>40112670
>>40112718
I'm a 5'4 pooner and I feel like a gigapoon for having roughly the same measurement. ygmi.

> not a single hon here

heyyy fags 20” here

>>40113646
you're just brainwormed man, no cis woman has these measurements

>>40113646
>>40112718
Maybe I'm just measuring wrong but my underbust seems to be 33 as well and I'm definitely not a hon??

>>40113646
>>40114165
im 34" as a 5'9 mtf so that makes me feel better, thank you

>>40113486
>5’11
>29in waist
>lucky
what is happening to this board…

>>40111000 (OP)
used to have winged scapula and wormed about my shoulders but then i started working out and doing back exercises and now they're not winged anymore and yay!