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/hrtgen/ #739
Previous >>40096253

• Help, advice, guidance on meds and dosages
• HRT related medical experiences and research
• Availability and pricing of medications
• Rational and scientific discussion

See following post for a pharmacy list.

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▶ Blood tests by mail: https://www.letsgetchecked.com/ DIY capillary blood samples. Expensive.
▶ Lab test guide: https://www.healthcare.uiowa.edu
Anonymous No.40112996 [Report]
>>40112990 (OP)
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Anonymous No.40113063 [Report] >>40113208 >>40114594
i cant bump this thread every 3 hours unfortunately i still have a bit of social life so please guys try to keep it a bit alive to help people out there ^___^
Reginald The Second No.40113208 [Report]
>>40113063
Very well!
Reginald The Second No.40113235 [Report] >>40118939
I like taking apart clocks and cleaning them in my spare time! Does anyone else share this same fascination?
Reginald The Second No.40113352 [Report]
God look at this beauty.
Anonymous No.40114594 [Report]
>>40113063
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Anonymous No.40115070 [Report] >>40116041 >>40117680 >>40124644
Haii after some deliberation I have decided on starting hrt soon. While doing so, I want the most effective stack to maximize breast growth to avoid being stunted at A cups or lower. I'm open to all types of hrt and affordability isn't a problem. Beyond that, I also want to receive the best of the other effects of hrt, including physical activity, routines, diet, etc. From my research, I suspect the route to go is mono therapy with EEn injections (don't know a dosage yet) because I've heard that using AAs such as spiro can stunt breast development and that has me worried. Additionally, is it true that most trans women eventually grow out of having cone tits? Possibly getting those got me very worried. I've also heard that prog after about a year of E will help round out the breasts. I'm a 20 yo twink build that will graduate in year from uni and want to boymode at least for that time. Generally speaking, passing is very important to me and fortunately ppl have said I do have potential.

A little rambly but what I'm asking is about hrt regimen advice (mono, injections, etc) to maximize breast growth and weight distribution, and other advice such as diet and physical activity. I've also heard about weight cycling and open to am doing so if my chances of passing are improved.
Anonymous No.40116033 [Report] >>40117680 >>40124691
Bumping thread with my lil story I was doing my IM injection yesterday and was 95% done when my thigh muscle had a big spasm and pushed the needle right out. It was very freaky and has never happened before and I just wanted to share that.
Anonymous No.40116041 [Report] >>40124220
>>40115070
Start growing your hair and doing skincare, and learn how to do makeup
Anonymous No.40117315 [Report] >>40120225 >>40124691
Hi anons. I tried going to the ATM to buy cryptos. I have tried a couple of times unsuccessfully and my mental health has starting to suffer due to this. I am starting to have nightmares about trying to go buy at the ATM. It is on such a extremely loud and public spot that everytime I go nearby I instantly go into mental breakdown and start crying. I just have too much autism for this. :(

I also asked every LGBTi association that I could find nearby; I mailed like +15 different support groups. Of those, I think only 3 answered. One told me they couldn't do anything, the second did that too but I asked them if they could help me get DIY afterwards. They stopped answering my messages. And a third one that after telling me they can't do nothing, got extremely mad at me when I suggested if they could help me do DIY... and then stopped answering my messages.

So... I don't know what to do.
Next month I think I will have another opportunity to try at going to the ATM to keep destroying my mental health and go back home empty handed, so we will see but I don't think I am going to make it...
Anonymous No.40117371 [Report]
>>40112990 (OP)
Im on E and pio any other way i can minmax ?
Anonymous No.40117680 [Report] >>40118667 >>40124220 >>40124691 >>40165198
recently switched from injections + 50mg cypro to just mono. I fully tapered off cypro in may and since then I seem to get stinky way easier? like even pro hrt I didn't need to shower much with an active lifestyle and now sometimes I feel the need to shower after work. I got panicked about my t being high but it came back undetectable still. that was the day after an injection though, not trough. Is it likely that my t is spiking during troughs in a 5 day injection cycle? my trough level is around 900pmol/L or 250pg/mL
>>40115070
spiro doesn't stunt breast growth. I think that myth comes from ppl getting hondosed w spiro and oral e. Injections are best, eat well get some exercise, and try prog after a few years. weight cycling is bs though. you fat cells have to move around for your fat distribution to change. fat doesn't just get directed to the fat cells on certain parts of your body. just stay a health weight and get decent protein and eat ur veg
>>40116033
I stopped IM cause of that. too spooky + I'm a bit of a pussy. subcutaneous has been nicer for me
Anonymous No.40118317 [Report] >>40118565 >>40118695
im 50 mg spiro and 2 MG e and usually I see people have their dose upped from 2 to 4 MG by now... im very much worried I have a low dosage
Anonymous No.40118565 [Report]
>>40118317
Yes that is definitely too low. lots of doctors like to start low and slow to minimize the risk of giving a dumb cis person tits. There's so data to support that practice in trans people, it doesn't lead to better outcomes. Your medications should be getting your e and t in range. generally you you can't tell if someone's dosage is enough without bloodwork, but 2mg e + 50 spiro is too low for almost everyone. at a minimum your e should get bumped up. 50 spiro could be fine depending on the person, and you need less the higher your e is
Anonymous No.40118667 [Report] >>40119093
>>40117680
I never had the spasm thing before, must have done it at least 60 times before, spooky is the right word.
What kind of stinky are you, like that manly musky thing?
Anonymous No.40118695 [Report] >>40119004
>>40118317
just take dubble dosage of estrogen
Anonymous No.40118939 [Report] >>40120559
>>40113235
I'm a gemmologist, among other things, and whilst I got on with the horologists they were broadly considered to be slightly odd.

Anyway, eventually I'm going to swap from a Lena vial to the Astrovials. My estrogen sits at about 2000p/pmol in the trough but I feel fine. I had to low dose coming to the end of a previous vial and I definitely felt worse for it.

I'm not interested in advice on that, but I am interested in hearing people's experience with progesterone. I'm considering adding it into the mix.
Anonymous No.40119004 [Report]
>>40118695
would that fuck up my prescription though? I'm medical and currently have a 90 day supply of estrogen and I'm just worried I might run out before the 3 months or whenever I get my next pills...
Pico !uF4I8cFbC. No.40119081 [Report]
Anonymous No.40119093 [Report] >>40121552
>>40118667
the same type of stinky as before, I haven't had a musky guy smell in years. I'm just start to smell way easier now, even compared to pre hrt. like if I get a lil sweaty at work. I've never had to wear deodorant but I might start. once the sweat dries it mostly goes away. the only big hormonal change afaik is that my prolactin is normal now. the only other thing is that my sex drive was high for a couple weeks
Anonymous No.40120225 [Report] >>40120732
General question. I've been taking cyproterone acetate and sublingual estradiol. How long should I be on it before I switch to injections? Or does it not matter? Because they're supposed to be the cheapest form of HRT.
>>40117315
You don't need to go to the ATM to buy crypto? You can do it all on your computer or phone, as long as you can use your credit or debit card to buy it.
Anonymous No.40120559 [Report] >>40121324
>>40118939
>I'm going to swap from a Lena vial to the Astrovials.
why?
Anonymous No.40120732 [Report] >>40121324 >>40122859
>>40120225
...how? i have a debit card and it doesnt work, so like. How do i buy crypto with just my debit card. everything asks for photo id verification and If You know You Know so i cant do that
Anonymous No.40121324 [Report]
>>40120559
I've nothing against Lena, I'll use the whole vial before I switch, but I was more impressed with astro's sterile sterile technique. I also put a lot of stock into where things are made. My hope goes to Ukraine but my heart belongs to France.

>>40120732
Try an exchange. I use coinbase...I don't recall it asking for ID but apparently it does. I'm sure there must be one out there that's less stringent. Stealthex maybe? Apparently you can use a Revolut account to do it also but I have no experience with that.
Anonymous No.40121552 [Report]
>>40119093
Werid. It's good that you got your levels checked tho, it rules out increased T so that's good at least.
Anonymous No.40122859 [Report]
>>40120732
Oh, I used Cash App, but that apparently does require photo ID, so I must have just used my male photo ID. But you can also use cryptocurrency with Venmo, if you already have one, and they don't necessarily require one.
Anonymous No.40124220 [Report] >>40125874
>>40116041
I've been letting my hair grow for 6 months now and my bangs now go down to the tip of my nose. Skin has been pretty good but unfortunately these days I easily grow ache bc of the sweat. The only problem I have rn is makeup since I have no one to teach me nor do I have anything to use.

>>40117680
damn hondosing has rlly ruined the stats on a lot of this stuff. I suck at keeping track of my meds so I'll prolly just stick to simple mono on EEn injections then if all else is equal.
Anonymous No.40124349 [Report] >>40124691 >>40125887
>>40112990 (OP)
so, here's my dilemma
>~3years hrt
>injections while time, started monotherapy
>taking aa's for maybe a year
>stalled breast growth
>b cups, but not rounding out anymore
according to the chart, I should start progesterone now, right?
>thinking about switching to oral e from injections
would I just increase the dose in this case?
or should I do like the chart says & cycle oral in addition to injecting?
Anonymous No.40124615 [Report] >>40124691 >>40125862
pretty much no breast growth after 3 months on e. am i doomed forever?
I used cyproterone alone for 2 weeks before starting estrogen. Could that have stunt the development? Is it permanent?
For the record im on 10mg een + 150mg algestone acetophenide, taken once every 2 weeks.
Anonymous No.40124644 [Report] >>40126078
>>40115070
There's no studies on any of this but start with pills for awhile then transition into injections
Anonymous No.40124691 [Report] >>40132114 >>40135172
>>40116033
Thas pretty crazy anon
>>40117315
You sound crazy tbhon
>>40117680
Its not likely but you really need to get blood tests at trough. Generally changing your regimen causes all kinda of weird changes or side effects. Stick with it for a couple months then test again.
>>40124349
Can do either cycling or just switching if you want. Sometimes it just takes time. You dont necessarily need to increase dose just follow the chart but change depending on results of blood test. You're just looking for T suppression.
>>40124615
>3 months
ignored
Anonymous No.40124759 [Report]
>>40112990 (OP)
>it costs around $8.50 to make 550 mg of e gel
>otokonoko charges $100 for it
why do we let diy suppliers scam us like this? its one thing to sell a $25 vial for $65, but more than 10 times upcharge for gel is terrible
Anonymous No.40125515 [Report]
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Anonymous No.40125862 [Report] >>40128943
>>40124615
Your nipples changed tho, right?
Anonymous No.40125874 [Report] >>40128524
>>40124220
Ok the thing with makeup is that it takes years to learn, cis girls start when they're like 12, and are around it all the time. They're elite-tier experts by the time they're 18. It would be a really good idea for you to watch some youtube tutorials and buy some basic Maybelline products and a cheap brush set.
Anonymous No.40125887 [Report] >>40132114
>>40124349
You gotta change something Anon, people always get breast growth when they change their regimen in some way
Anonymous No.40126078 [Report] >>40135172
>>40124644
okay, pills is prolly easier to start with. i may not be scared of injections anymore but i'm still scared of AAs, likely something i'll need to take with E pills. i heard of one that can literally give u tumors :(
Anonymous No.40126681 [Report] >>40129278 >>40135172
So I have the opportunity to do this DIY or go the informed consent route (USA). I like the idea of medical supervision since I am nervous about this, but DIY sounds like you get more control and I can get higher doses if those work better. Advice?

Since underdosing is a concern with doctors: I am a naturally smaller guy and I don't look too masculine, but I do think I will go bald.
Anonymous No.40126720 [Report] >>40128524
>>40112990 (OP)
does anyone here have experience with T or is this mainly E focused
Anonymous No.40126785 [Report] >>40126803 >>40126907
how seriously should I take the 'protect from light' warning on my vial? I currently keep my vial inside its package, inside another box inside my closet inside my room which I try to make sure not to be turn on the light more than necessary, but because of summer I have needed to leave the door for it open more frequently, which allows some light inside of it.
I know I am being paranaoid, but I am not sure how paranoid I should be. Is there a chance I am slowly destroying my hrt vial with how I am protecting it from light?
Anonymous No.40126802 [Report] >>40128524
Guys, i think I've found the person that can help me to ship estradiol vials and needles. I'm nonbinary, so i want to look more androgynous and twinkish but not fully transition. Do you know how to microdose this type of stuff? I need a guide.
Anonymous No.40126803 [Report]
>>40126785
Just make sure the box is closed properly so light can't get in, you don't need to be ridiculous about it.
Anonymous No.40126894 [Report]
hey so like gonna get prog do i stay on that for only a certain amount of time or indefinitely?
Anonymous No.40126907 [Report]
>>40126785
light aint like water bruh
Anonymous No.40127926 [Report]
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Anonymous No.40128467 [Report]
Do you guys have good sources on how to get GnRH Agonsist that ship internationally so it would be possible to ship it to Russia? I already know where to get estradiol vials for injections. The only thing that's left is those AAs
Anonymous No.40128524 [Report] >>40128556 >>40132094
>>40126802
Taking HRT but trying to prevent breast growth is not a very well studied thing. You can use SERMs. It's in the bottom right corner of the /HRTGen/ picture guide.
>40128467
No idea, sorry, because GNRH agonists are really expensive and I never looked into it.
>>40126720
Yeah this seems mostly E focused, although these days it seems like the knowledgeable people are gone even for that. There are probably better places online for trans men to talk about self-medicating with T.
>>40125874
Not all cis women are experts. I know women who almost never wear makeup and admit to being bad at it. They're not super feminine to begin with.
Anonymous No.40128556 [Report]
>>40128524

Yeah, i don't care about SERM's anymore. I will buy estradiol valerate + GnRH Agonists and inject/take them how intended through the guide in the first picrel. I know where to buy vials but can't quite figure out how to get GnRH ones.
Anonymous No.40128911 [Report] >>40135172
I'm considering doing DIY while I wait for my appointment with informed consent (3 month wait list).

Currently considering 6.25mg cyproterone daily + 100mcg E patch. I realize these are low but I'm just looking at it as a temporary thing until I can get hrt legit.

Just had a couple questions about this course though.
I live in the us, and since they don't do cypro here, would it be better for me to just go with a different AA (probably spiro as it seems that's the most commonly prescribed one here) from the start?
The patches are supposed to be changed 2x weekly. would there be any benefit or risk to leaving them on longer? As in, putting one on on Sunday, putting a second one on on Wednesday without removing the first one, then swapping the first one every Sunday and the second one every Wednesday, so each one is on for 7 days but I still have a fresh one 2x weekly.
Anonymous No.40128943 [Report]
>>40125862
yes, a week in, but almost nothing since then
Anonymous No.40129278 [Report] >>40132159
>>40126681
diy for meds, use doctors for blood tests and prescriptions for stocking up.
Anonymous No.40130730 [Report]
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Emily of 4chan !vOczjEBNSI No.40131071 [Report] >>40148157
>>40112990 (OP)
Dear HRTanon. Is it okay to take ozempic during my transition?

Also how much estrogen can I take before it’s bad? Cos I want more.
Anonymous No.40131995 [Report] >>40149371
how would you go about tapering off 50mg bica? do you actually need to?
Anonymous No.40132094 [Report]
>>40128524
>Not all cis women are experts. I know women who almost never wear makeup and admit to being bad at it
I didn't say all. Not all cis women have hands or eyes either. The point is you're gonna be bad at it if you never do it so that anon should start sooner than later
Anonymous No.40132114 [Report]
>>40124691
okay, got t tested 2 weeks ago
>27ng/dL
it's been anywhere from 32-126ng/dL previously, how is it looking now??
>>40125887
got it.
will order prog & sublingual e this week.
Anonymous No.40132129 [Report] >>40168371 >>40168948 >>40168983
I have a vial of e from 3 years ago. Is it still safe to use?
Anonymous No.40132159 [Report] >>40132191
>>40129278
what do you tell them, do I get a prescription and do it the normal way and then buy other stuff on the side?
Anonymous No.40132191 [Report] >>40132220
>>40132159
exactly
Anonymous No.40132220 [Report] >>40132234
>>40132191
fair enough, should doctors know about the DIY part?
Anonymous No.40132234 [Report] >>40132257
>>40132220
if they try to fuck with you on whether they'll give you meds or not, then you can say youre diy'ing right now anyways
Anonymous No.40132257 [Report]
>>40132234
thats a plus, although I think informed consent exists (USA thing) specifically to avoid them gatekeeping meds so I don't think they will do that?
Anonymous No.40132435 [Report] >>40133822 >>40135172
Is muscle loss on HRT controllable? I have to move shit around a lot and having all that strength "melt" would be unhelpful.
Anonymous No.40133822 [Report]
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>>40132435
just keep practicing exercises, gym, etc?
Anonymous No.40135119 [Report]
i only have partial results from my bloods right now, but my normal injection day is tomorrow. estradiol is 198 and lh is <0.2. lh is sufficiently low so that means my t should be low, right? just checking to see if anything would indicate i need to modify my dosage, of which i'm currently doing 40mg/28 days for undecylate
Anonymous No.40135172 [Report]
>>40124691
Ye I'll just go for another blood test and not worry about it too much in the mean time. I remembered i got a trough test in March which I was down from 50 to 12.5mg of cypro. my t was 0 then but I'd already had the same wierd smell issue. idk I guess maybe it's a rebound effect related to cypro's hormonal agonism. just gonna hope it goes away cause only showering weekly was pretty rad. at least I know it's not cause of high t with that March test
>>40126078
aa's are fine. the one that can cause tumours is cyproterone. it very rarely causes issues and you test for prolactin while you're on it. if your prolactin is high for a long time you can develop a non cancerous pituitary tumour. super easy to catch before any issues. I had issues with it but only because I was on 4x the standard dose cause my prescriber insisted on that. once I went down to 25mg my prolactin was fine. ur prolly a burger though so you wouldn't be able to get cypro prescribed anyways
>>40126681
be familiar with med/dosage so you can properly advocate for yourself with docs. try to get it actually prescribed cause it's a bit nicer. if you go in saying you've been doing diy at X dose you'll have more leverage to get prescribed properly
>>40128911
patches are meant to give a steady dose while they're on. if you use them longer than they're supposed to your levels will be less predictable. they're also only meant to actually stick for so long, and hormonal patches can cause skin irritation so you want the site's rotated frequently. it wouldn't be the worst thing though
>>40132435
not really. you can mostly hold onto t strength from what I've heard if you just keep exercising a bunch. but for me I lost a ton of upper body strength with to activity change
Anonymous No.40135875 [Report]
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Anonymous No.40136834 [Report] >>40137313
thinking about adding bica to my een monotherapy routine and halving the e dosage to keep feminisation but allow my balls to regrow

people on bica did your balls shrink still? anyone managing to not have any atrophy there?
Anonymous No.40137313 [Report]
>>40136834
why do you want big balls
Anonymous No.40137699 [Report] >>40138344
how long do hrt vials last after you draw from them for the first time
Anonymous No.40138344 [Report] >>40138867
>>40137699
I use them until they're done. If it's still clear under visual inspection, you're good to go.
Anonymous No.40138867 [Report] >>40138908 >>40138919
>>40138344
how many years is that usually
Anonymous No.40138908 [Report] >>40138948
>>40138867
you can figure it out by just dividing the volume of the vial by the volume you inject each time and multiplying by the frequency you inject at. like i think my undecylate lasts like 18 months at the rate i use it if i stick to that exactly?
Anonymous No.40138919 [Report] >>40138948
>>40138867
About 10 months for me, monotherapy with EEn
Anonymous No.40138948 [Report] >>40139075 >>40140240
>>40138908
>>40138919
yeah i know how long my vials will last if i take the entire thing, but i mean more how long until they go bad if i took a break from using them
Anonymous No.40139075 [Report] >>40139128
>>40138948
why are you taking a break?
Anonymous No.40139128 [Report]
>>40139075
because i had a mental breakdown and went back to repping
Anonymous No.40140240 [Report] >>40140414
>>40138948
Oh, I don't know. Couple of years maybe. Guides to this sort of thing tend to be overcautious, but there was that study showing that most common pharmacological materials retained their efficacy over much longer periods than expected. Still 95% effective even after something like a decade.
Anonymous No.40140414 [Report] >>40140556
>>40140240
i'm more worried about it going bad considering i've head the vials for over a year and there's still at least a year of hrt in it
Anonymous No.40140556 [Report] >>40140850
>>40140414
Well, if you always drew it up with a sterile needle and good technique nothing should have gone in. Stored it out of sunlight? It's not best practice I'm sure, but I consider it like food. If it looks fine and smells fine, use it.
Anonymous No.40140850 [Report]
>>40140556
>Well, if you always drew it up with a sterile needle and good technique nothing should have gone in.
always a new needle and i hope i didn't mess up
it's just idk if i can go legit if the hrt bans go through and ordering more is scary
Anonymous No.40142251 [Report] >>40142407
how much better is injections vs pills? is it worth trying to get my doctor to switch me to injections? also how much of a pain is it to inject
Anonymous No.40142255 [Report]
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Anonymous No.40142407 [Report]
>>40142251
better levels and less work for cheaper price
yes it is
its not painful at all
Anonymous No.40143947 [Report] >>40145557
What's the most economical way to buy finasteride/dutasteride and minoxidil? I was on Een for 6 months and saw no progress. Norwood 3 and 24 btw
Anonymous No.40145385 [Report]
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Anonymous No.40145557 [Report]
>>40143947
skip the minoxidil
Anonymous No.40147242 [Report]
>>40112990 (OP)
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Anonymous No.40148102 [Report] >>40148237
>>40112990 (OP)
Can someone sanity check this for me
60mg undercylate every 28-30 days (first of the month basically).
Planning on doing monotherapy but may keep on cypro as needed.
Emily of 4chan !vOczjEBNSI No.40148157 [Report] >>40149352
>>40131071
nobody gave me an answer
Anonymous No.40148237 [Report]
>>40148102
60mg seems excessive once you're already on it. I've been doing 40mg/28 days and it seems plenty enough for mono. Bloods seem like they're good, though I don't have full results yet and can only say I was at 198 estradiol at day 26
Anonymous No.40149352 [Report]
>>40148157
It's probably fine to do ozempic, but expect that if you're losing a bunch of weight that you probably won't be getting much growth at all during that time. Also aren't you the one doing a ton of gel for some reason? Just get injections and do like 100mg undecylate a month if you want retardedly high levels all the time. It probably won't hurt you but there's supposed to be evidence that oversaturating your receptors will lead to diminishing returns. You're better off just keeping stable levels at a normal dose or cycling high levels before returning to normal levels for longer.
Anonymous No.40149371 [Report]
>>40131995
You don't need to. the levels will decrease in your body over time anyhow.
Anonymous No.40149379 [Report]
Yo someone here help how I get some clean percs?
Anonymous No.40149975 [Report] >>40151851
Do I need to have blood tests done before I start progesterone?
Anonymous No.40151851 [Report]
>>40149975
Bloods don't really tell you anything you'd need to know for prog in particular
Anonymous No.40151945 [Report] >>40152806
>>40112990 (OP)
how does sublingual compare to injectable estradiol in terms of effectiveness?
would switching from the latter to the former after several years be a bad idea?
Anonymous No.40152806 [Report] >>40153117
>>40151945
also, where to source syringes in the US w/o a prescription???
insurance switched me to these wonky ones from my previous 0.5in & its impossible to properly inject with
Anonymous No.40152912 [Report] >>40159792
>>40112990 (OP)
Should I get laser earlier on HRT or later? I heard hairs could turn blonde on HRT, which seems like it would make it harder to do laser (want full body laser done)
Anonymous No.40153117 [Report] >>40153195
>>40152806
believe it or not, amazon.com
Anonymous No.40153178 [Report]
>>40112990 (OP)
where buy progesterone cheap 2 yurop becoz its all so expensive. i wish the homebrewer sites like astrovials still had it
Anonymous No.40153191 [Report]
>>40112990 (OP)
should i be poking holes in my prog before i boof it? or is that negligible
Anonymous No.40153195 [Report] >>40153248 >>40153263
>>40153117
wait what really?
like and they're made for intramuscular?
not for like insulin or pther stuff?
Anonymous No.40153248 [Report]
>>40153195
yes just look up insulin syringes ive been injecting with amazon insulin syringes for a year i used 8mm 30g ones theyre nice thin and small
Anonymous No.40153263 [Report]
>>40153195
oh intramuscular idfk but ive also seen some that have 2 inches long needles so i think it should work if u search
Anonymous No.40154988 [Report] >>40155059
It is so annoying that a young fella like me can't just take something he legally buys over the counter to get a curvaceous body like a girl has without growing breasts tho. I just want to look girly and have the benefits of better skin and hair without growing tits.
Anonymous No.40155059 [Report]
>>40154988
i'm mainly trying to prevent them for manmode stealth reasons, but what i've tried is early prog on the off chance it makes them stay smaller by ending it early, though idk how that's gonna turn out; they're definitely still growing
Anonymous No.40157325 [Report] >>40159792
bump
Anonymous No.40158479 [Report] >>40159792
2 bumps in a row :(
Anonymous No.40159771 [Report] >>40159792
bumperino
Anonymous No.40159792 [Report]
>>40152912
I've heard in general it's better earlier than later because estrogen makes your skin more sensitive anyway.
>>40157325
>>40158479
>>40159771
Your work is appreciated. Thanks for preserving the thread, as dead as it may be.
Anonymous No.40161188 [Report] >>40161945
is injecting 15 month old hrt safe
Anonymous No.40161945 [Report] >>40162443
>>40161188
Probably. If it's unopened, then almost certainly
Anonymous No.40162443 [Report] >>40162676
>>40161945
it's opened and i've used it before
Anonymous No.40162676 [Report]
>>40162443
Just do a visual check to see if it's still clear. If it looks good in the vial and looks good in the syringe it should be fine
Anonymous No.40162849 [Report]
So I ordered a small item from Dashpct to my PO box
so when does it come? ordered a week ago and checked yesterday
Anonymous No.40163392 [Report]
E2 490pg/ml
T 19ng/dl
SHBG 125nmol/L
should i lower my e dosage i should right i am just worried about my T spiking if i do or something but 500pg/ml seems like too high E probably
Anonymous No.40165198 [Report] >>40165868
>>40117680
i switched from 50mg daily bicalutamide and injections to mono injections and also got stinkier. I upped my dose to Lena suggested levels (7mg/5 days) and the stinkiness stopped, but my body hair and facial hair grow back faster and thicker compared to when I was on blockers and my hair gets greasy faster. Can't get blood tests for a few months though bc of health insurance issues. I don't really trust not being on blockers anymore though. Going to try to get back on once I have my shit sorted out.
Anonymous No.40165868 [Report]
>>40165198
it probably happened that way due to the fact your aa is bica, the case is likely that when you went off aa your t isn't supressed yet so you just got hit by the full levels once you were no longer on bica. maybe try using upped levels in combination with a mono e dosage and quit your aa after a month or so of being at mono levels
Anonymous No.40166088 [Report] >>40166441
>>40112990 (OP)
I would like to thank Open Gate Labs for always having relugolix be out of stock and then delisting it.
Now I have to get my relugolix in powder form from the Chinese.
Anonymous No.40166441 [Report]
>>40166088
what does relugolix even do? idk i at least appreciate that opengate is doing stuff like making prog spray; i think i'm gonna buy that pretty soon since my prog supply is getting lower
Anonymous No.40166579 [Report] >>40182065
I bought from astrovials months ago, which supposedly arrived on may 6. "suposedly" because it just hasn't shown up. For context, i live in the US and i had already bought from them before and did receive the vial of EEn, with the same adress and name writen on it, so why is it taking so long? Regarding my last vial i did get it two months later than specified but that happened mainly because my family was holding onto it and i asume they had gotten it way earlier, at the suposed date. Now i don't have my family around an it just doesn't show up despite saying it was delivered.
Anonymous No.40166869 [Report] >>40171345 >>40172358
if i take bicalutamide every other day will that make my testosterone worse
Anonymous No.40166905 [Report]
>>40112990 (OP)
WHERE. THE. FUCK. DO. YOU. FIND. CHEAP. PROGESTERONE. IN. EUROPE.
AND WHY DO NONE OF THE HOMEBREWERS HAVE IT ANYMORE
Anonymous No.40167957 [Report]
bumpsleeping
Anonymous No.40168371 [Report]
>>40132129
bump, please tell me :(
Anonymous No.40168948 [Report]
>>40132129
check color. if you stored it dark place that is not too hot you should be fine. E can be stored 4-5 years.
Anonymous No.40168983 [Report] >>40171047 >>40171092
>>40132129
check color. if you stored it dark place that is not too hot (above 25 degrees celsius) you should be fine. E can be stored 4-5 years.
Anonymous No.40169925 [Report]
bump
Anonymous No.40170254 [Report] >>40176975
>>40112990 (OP)
pio came in the mail, finally, a few questions for those who take it, is it alright to split the pill at 15mg? Will I not get much out of that dose? Also should I lose a bit more weight before starting? 18.5 BMI atm if I drop down to 18 or lower would it create a more dramatic effect with the fat gain over time?
Anonymous No.40171047 [Report] >>40172660
>>40168983
so if there is even slight discoloration with mct oil it should be thrown away?
>(above 25 degrees celsius)
usually no but it gets hot in the summers
Anonymous No.40171092 [Report] >>40172660
>>40168983
Should I move my stuff elsewhere? My closet likely gets above that temp by a little bit. Idk if the oil matters for temp; mine is all castor
Anonymous No.40171345 [Report]
>>40166869
bump
Anonymous No.40172358 [Report] >>40172688
>>40166869
>make my testosterone worse
wdym?
Anonymous No.40172660 [Report] >>40174930
>>40171047
I would not risk it.
>>40171092
always see the color. I would move to cooler place
Anonymous No.40172688 [Report] >>40172773
>>40172358
as in will it make me have more effects from testosterone
Anonymous No.40172773 [Report]
>>40172688
depends on your levels, it's safe to assume that 25mg is enough if your total T is under 50ng/dl
Anonymous No.40174880 [Report]
bump
Anonymous No.40174930 [Report] >>40179878
>>40172660
>I would not risk it.
so if there's any discoloration throw it away for good?
Anonymous No.40175072 [Report] >>40175277 >>40176674
How long did it take before you went "damn something is different" with estrogen hrt?
Anonymous No.40175251 [Report] >>40186331
>>40112990 (OP)
What can I do if I keep being pestered about my e vial and people in question are trying to fuck me over big style? I did test for substances and they still won't believe me that I have tits from e and not hypogonadism. I won't give up vial, because I already gave up everything else I had and I'm deadass broke
Anonymous No.40175277 [Report] >>40175287
>>40175072
It didn't take long at all for me to notice that my nipples were getting more sensitive and my nipples had breast tissue behind them now. Maybe a few weeks?
I'm at three months on HRT and I notice my tiny breasts are sensitive enough that romping down the stairs multiple steps at a time actually kind of slightly hurts now.
Anonymous No.40175287 [Report]
>>40175277
Oh and it also helped with my acne a lot.
And my face is ever so slightly more feminine now.
Anonymous No.40176674 [Report]
>>40175072
3 or 4 months was kinda when I realized I had actual boobs that needed some compression. Not big but definitely pokies.
Anonymous No.40176864 [Report] >>40177142
is dashpct legit?
they seem to have the best prices on almost everything, but is not listed in this thread and had a few negative reviews of shipping issues
Anonymous No.40176975 [Report] >>40177354
>>40170254
You want to titrate on it and off it. You can try losing weight on it and then start gaining, but it depends on your fat distribution. I did pio for a few months and didnt notice a ton so dont expect a miracle.
Anonymous No.40177142 [Report]
>>40176864
after more research i came to the conclusion they may not be.
Anonymous No.40177239 [Report] >>40181378
>>40112990 (OP)
What are the possible side effects possible from taking Pioglitazone and/or Domperidone?
Anonymous No.40177354 [Report]
>>40176975
Miracle for me really is wanting to min max a bit for a small improvement on my WHR even half a cm and I’ll be happy desu. I’m travelling soon so with all the eating out I hope it at least prevents some accumulation at my waist as well. Thanks for answering my questions.
Anonymous No.40177600 [Report]
im too retarded to figure out how to buy from inhouse pharamacy their payment methods hurt my brain
Anonymous No.40179144 [Report]
bump
Anonymous No.40179878 [Report]
>>40174930
its better to throw it away. Unless you simply cant buy new one anymore. I always take photos of unopened vials and compare it later for any change in color.
Anonymous No.40180939 [Report] >>40180968
Could anyone offer some advice on injecting to the thigh for the first time? It seems so simple in theory and I know it shouldn't hurt as I'm using thin gauge needles, but I can't bring myself to perform the jab.

I've done everything - did my blood test, received my needles and my vial. I want to just do it now and move on.
Anonymous No.40180968 [Report]
>>40180939
you gotta man up if you wanna be a woman boy
Anonymous No.40181307 [Report] >>40181393
has anyone taken lobeglitazone instead of pioglitazone and has it been effective? i cant find anyone reporting results and i’m deciding between the two right now
Anonymous No.40181341 [Report]
if i'm on 25 mg bica every other day can i just take a 50 mg pill every 4 days or is the half life too short for that?
Anonymous No.40181378 [Report]
>>40177239
One of the main side effects of pio is edema caused by some weird sodium imbalance or something idk im no pharm. Look into it before you take it so you know what to watch out for.
Anonymous No.40181383 [Report] >>40185705
>>40112990 (OP)
someone told me injecting subcutaneously into the stomach would give you a beergut, is that retarded or true?
Anonymous No.40181393 [Report]
>>40181307
From what ive heard lobe doesnt give the same effects. There was a girl on this board who knew all about it maybe she'll come spread some knowledge.
Anonymous No.40182065 [Report] >>40185705
>>40166579
Please someone answer
Anonymous No.40182437 [Report] >>40184568
Has anyone used or is using natural phytoestrogens such as taken in tablet form Fenugreek Seeds, Saw Palmetto, Flax Seeds, Fennel Seeds, Angelica Root, Cumin Seeds, Scratcher's Claw, Pepper Fruit. Were/are they effective or do you recommend them?
Anonymous No.40182498 [Report] >>40183594
>>40112990 (OP)
On 5mg een in MCT Im/7days since 1st of July 2024.
Getting first test soon, what should I get tested
Anonymous No.40183594 [Report]
bump
>>40182498
the usual i think? at least these ones
estradiol (e2)
testosterone
LH/FSH
DHT
Anonymous No.40184568 [Report]
>>40182437
Waste of money. Even the best combo of puereria mirifica and red reishi in their concentrated forms are basically pointless and will at most give you slightly better skin and perk up your nipples just a bit. It's also supposedly kind of not recommended for liver health to do that long term, so you're better off just doing the real deal by a long shot.
Anonymous No.40185705 [Report]
>>40181383
Retarded
>>40182065
See if there's information from the postal service or contact for a reship or something
Anonymous No.40186331 [Report]
>>40175251
I guess I gotta keep being hounded for another half year, because bitchass nyas wont get a clue that dude with tits, prescribed ritalin and progynova pills hauls e and not anything else
Anonymous No.40187132 [Report] >>40187310
My e levels are above 1000 but I'm very much liking the results on my mood and body at the current dose. Whatever can go wrong if I keep with this ? Worried about my liver
Anonymous No.40187310 [Report] >>40187462
>>40187132
>Worried about my liver
What method of intake? If injections, it won't matter for liver. Probably nothing will happen, but it's definitely diminishing returns after a certain level
Anonymous No.40187462 [Report]
>>40187310
injections yeah, about 0.09mL every 9 days currently. was doing 0.1 a week, then 0.07 every 10 days and it slowed the changes so much that I went back up a little, but the 1000+ were there at 0.07/10day. It's supposedly wayyyy over the norm so I really don't know what to think about it other than trust my body and keep it high
Anonymous No.40189478 [Report]
bump