Thread 40127737

>Trans democrat says "We overplayed our hand and pushed too hard"
>Erin Reed basically calls her a traitor and a coward

>>40127737 (OP)
spineless sarah, princess of pickmes

>>40127737 (OP)
She's right. Dead on in fact.
Hons will cry "pickme" which is a cope phrase invented by demonic forces to psyop tranny midwits into making everyone hate them.

>>40127737 (OP)
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/what-sarah-mcbride-gets-wrong
No she doesn't, she just says she wasn't fighting hard enough.

>>40127737 (OP)
I can't tell you how happy I am that trannies have doubled down on violent threats in the wake of getting BTFO by the USSC and aren't listening to slightly smarter people like McBride

You are going to lose E V E R Y T H I N G

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxLYHy3Tk7I

>>40127737 (OP)
Two libhons duking it out

>>40127737 (OP)
Do not, I repeat, DO NOT go to the bluesky comments on this article. The most deranged psychos are there.

>>40127813
western propaganda

ezra is a good dude and sarah seems smart

>>40127813
shes right though chinese troons have more rights than amerigoyim now
legal hrt, anti-discrimination laws, can change their government IDs and passports probbably have way fewer anti-trans hatecrimes but thats more because americans are savage violent retards

>>40127890
the only non-fake problem trannies have is hate crimes from black people and china has way fewer blacks

Sarah passes. Erin doesn't.
I'll take Sarah's opinion seriously, thank you very much.

>>40127890
also chinks are based trans meds and you can only change id if you got all surgeries

>>40127890
You can't be gay and trans in china

It's so fucking funny going on leddit, pedosky, x, etc., and everyone is calling her a traitor pickme. So now NOT DYING is a pickme position?

>>40127890
bullshit eastern propaganda

>>40127737 (OP)
I think lateshits should shut the fuck up about trans issues

Is this the same self admitted skinwalkin' "erin"? How gross!

>>40127890
based china.
non-ops aren't trans.
transbians aren't trans.
you need parental consent for srs regardless of age. oh gweilo? your parents are dead? you're too old to transition.

>>40127813
>>40127780
>>40127959
>>40127769
where did all these brianna wu faggots come from? is x or the destiny subleddit down or something

>>40127923
>also chinks are based trans meds and you can only change id if you got all surgeries
wait really i didn't know china was based like that i'm tired of the non-ops and rapehons

>>40127813
>do not go to the bluesky
Way ahead of you

>>40128185
All of the non-delusional trannies are starting to wake up. The only ones dragging their feet are the mentally ill never passers who want to drag the rest down with them. Get a clue.

Sarah is right. Trannies went too far, too fast.
>Y-you're a pick me! Pick-me!
No, it's just the reality. You think women who feel pretty and go dress like dolls are pick-mes just because there exist landwhale fat girls that nobody likes not even their mother? Society works based on looks. Accept it. You cannot change it. It will bever change. Pretty trannies get away with stuff, while ugly hons get their rights denied. That's just human nature. Don't like it? You're a hon? Too bad, better luck next life.

Based on this, it makes all sense to deny transness to tucutes or other wacky creatures. It's best for those who can pass.

>>40128387
Is it possible to stop being a 6'2 ogrehon and an embarrassment for trans optics?

>>40127737 (OP)
>Reads Erin's activism as actual news

>>40128387
>Sarah is right. Trannies went too far, too fast.
no, they didn't go too far too fast, they went after kids
nobody is ever going to be okay with castrating children, trannies

>>40128432
That was ALWAYS the goal, but they did it at the same time that being trans became a fad, which caused the detrans movement too.

>>40127890
>shes right though chinese troons have more rights than amerigoyim now
based and true.
also reminder, this is a directly translated excerpt from an official court ruling in a beijing court in 2020
>In this regard, this court holds that the relevant public security organ has changed Gao’s gender from male to female pursuant to the Reply on Issues concerning the Change of Citizen’s Household Registered Gender after the Sex Reassignment Surgery (关于公民手术变性后变更户口登记性别项目有关问题的批复) promulgated by the Public Security Administration Bureau of the Ministry of Public Security, and Gao has the right to use the Lady’s Room as a woman. Other colleagues should also accept Gao’s new gender and work with Gao with an inclusive mind.
>“Modern society presents a trend of increasing diversity. We keep finding many new things around us, and we should learn to accept these new things gradually, unless they threaten the interests of others, the collective, the state, or the public. Perhaps it is exactly our inclusiveness to new things that have laid the foundation for the long-term development of civilization and the great progress of society.”
>“We are used to understanding society according to our understanding of biological gender, but there will still be some people who want to express their gender identity according to their own life experience. We need to re-examine and understand this persistent social expression. Although it will be a very long process, more and more people choose to be inclusive, and we indeed need to gradually change our attitude to such things. Because only if we embrace the diversity of lifestyles, can we have a more colorful culture and lay a cultural foundation for inclusiveness in a rule-of-law society. This may be the logic that some scholars have pointed out ‘social inclusiveness is the blessing of the rule of law’.”

>>40128387
What are you talking about?
>>40128432
this is correct. If you actually care about optics stop pushing puberty blockers and hormones for kids under 18

>>40128482
this case is a direct example of them being behind us though. i could believe their hrt access is better now especially because trans rights have fallen in the past 5 years
but someone with srs needs permission to use the bathroom and change their documents? that's well behind where the US was 10 years ago

>>40128483
>if you care about optics create more rapist hons and fat beady eyed poons
Perfect logic

>>40128483
>If you actually care about optics stop pushing puberty blockers and hormones for kids under 18
if trannies actually drop this as a demand i'll do a 180 and support their cause

>>40128512
hons were always going to be hons
that's a bitter pill but it's true

>>40128518
why would you support our cause if you don't think our condition is real and deserves to be treated? i am someone who transitioned underage and im very thankful i was able to

>>40128545
you don't have a condition beyond wanting to look like a woman, which i'm fine with
"underage transition" is the worst form of medical child abuse, you're a victim

>>40128555
>underage transition is the worst form of medical child abuse
how so? what makes it the worst? what's abusive about it?
>you're a victim
define victim

>>40128387
>Society works based on looks. Accept it. You cannot change it. It will bever change.
isn't the obvious solution to this the extrapolated version of the south korean approach? if people are going to treat ugly people like shit, and we can't make them stop doing that, obviously we need to make it a priority to provide the option to not be ugly.

>>40128644
children can't understand what they're consenting to
they're harmed in that they're put on a medical path they don't need to be, that they're given unnecessary surgeries, and it robs them of a chance to decide their future as adults

>>40128545
>i am someone who transitioned underage and im very thankful i was able to
Is everyone who took HRT and had surgeries underage happy?

>>40127737 (OP)
My problem with Sarah McBride's interview with Ezra Klein was that she purported to believe that Republican congressmen like Nancy Mace backed off on bringing attention to her choice of bathroom because she didn't give them the attention and fight back they wanted. The real reason that people of that ilk backed off was because AOC flipped the narrative on its head. She pointed out that the only way to enforce the gender bathroom rules is to look at people's genitals and bringing up how that would also involve looking at little kids' genitals. Obviously, that makes the Republicans look like pedophiles who want to take a look at kids' genitals. So they had to back off. Sarah McBride just believes that lie that if you don't give bullies attention they back off.

There's actually people on this board disagreeing with her? Get the fuck out of my swamp reddit niggers

>>40128185
There is definitely some sensible intermediate place between Sarah McBride actually understanding politics and changemaking and Brianna Wu/Destiny Subreddit's "Erm, only very specific types of transgender people are human and frankly we should just throw the whole issue to the wolves because 50.000001% of the country disagrees with us on it and changing minds is too scary, except when it comes to the le real transsexual people like me of course teehee~"

>>40128721
With who?

>>40127737 (OP)
No shit shirlock.
It was over when your oppression olympic blue haired teachers started asking their classrooms what their preferred pronouns were and little timmy went home to their Obama loving mom and told her hes a girl now. Suddenly a vote switched from the first black president to “literally hitler”.

Men are women
The most expensive riots in world history are mostly peaceful
Refugees are saved by moving them to the most evil racist white male lead countries
Eggs are $12 in the greatest economy of all time
Biden is sharp as a tack

People get sick of being told by the party to ignore their lying eyes

>>40128764
There's not exactly a lot of truth going around on any area of the American political spectrum. If your theory holds, people are staying home, not voting Republican

>>40128802
You know why the republicans can lie more easily and get away with it? because they dont have every institution in the country backing up their lies, and so they can frame the call out of their lies as oppression. When the left lies, you have the local Disney-Comcast-Exxon newpaper report "The science is settled, the protests are mostly peaceful, any post contrary to this in any online space will result in a permenant ban. Remember to Tip your gay landlord for pridemonth. Things are better than ever"

>>40128654
>>40128387
like hasn't everyone noticed by now that semaglutide and all the other similar drugs have done this for obesity? the whole discourse around fat people has fucking evaporated because it's easy to not be fat now.
there's just a few people left who actually liked the way things were who are now coping and seething about how actually these drugs must be super unhealthy, there's no way anyone can improve things, everything has to suck forever or there might not be people below them anymore.

>>40128555
I don't feel like a victim. Going through puberty with gender dysphoria is a nightmarish body horror experience I'm infinitely thankful to have ended early. My only regret is I didn't start transitioning sooner.
All I want is for other people with dysphoria to have the opportunity to increase their odds of passing dramatically, thus helping them to live a normal life. The trans people you "protect" by denying them healthcare will grow up to despise you.

>>40128843
> because they dont have every institution in the country backing up their lies,
But that cultural regime change has already taken place. The media landscape by volume of eyeballs and earholes firmly belongs to the right now. You're a few years behind; I expect the pendulum is in the process of swinging back leftward because people will get sick of the right wing media machine where Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, Daily Wire, and an Army of other podcasters and youtubers tell you what to think about transgender illegal aliens giving your kids hormone blockers and fentanyl. People will get sick of it in short order.

>>40128878
>I expect the pendulum is in the process of swinging back leftward
I truly don't think it will, to be fair.
The Left Wing media have destroyed their own credibility.

>>40128895
you are mentally retarded and will be continually surprised by events until you either die or get significant cognitive augmentation after we solve biotech/BCIs.

>>40127737 (OP)
erin is 100% right about that

>>40127890
What hate crimes? It's because they were prostutites, not trannies.

>>40128843
>rightoid doesn't realize they have literally all the cards in society right now and every corporation has bowed to them

conservatism is a cult of perpetual victimhood

>>40128185
This has always been a pick-me board.

>>40128432
>nobody is ever going to be okay with castrating children, trannies
>>40128483
>this is correct. If you actually care about optics stop pushing puberty blockers and hormones for kids under 18

and then if we transition after said age, we are lateshits so what gives with you?what more compromises are you willing to give up to fit in?
see? pick me af
it's a call to respect everyones autonomy in gender, would you rather be disrespected/ostracized?

>>40128681
Low rates of regret in general for SRS

>>40128942
I really don't know how they spin how every social media platform scrambled to change their ToS to align better with Trump, how Zuckerberg/Musk/Bezos all attended the inauguration, how virtually every owner of what Americans are exposed to online has kissed the ring and aligned with conservatism for the foreseeable future. And yet somehow the left is still in control. There's still some kind of "deep state" that needs rooting out, that can be blamed for whatever incompetence they need a scapegoat for. All the companies like Disney backed off, but they still need that narrative that the corporations are left so they, idk, just make stuff up? I get how it's important to portray yourself as an underdog up against the Big Bad Machine politically to gain sympathy, but idk how the right manages to make that work anymore. They are quite obviously the Big Bad Machine at this point lmao

>>40128878
And yet no one is getting banned from Facebook for saying men can become women. All you’ve lost is your protected status, you now recieve the same treatment as a white male.
I guess equality always feels like oppression to the privileged.

>>40128998
>And yet no one is getting banned from Facebook for saying men can become women.
xitter autoblocks posts with the word "cis"

>>40128959
>respect everyones autonomy
the pedos failed at bringing this argument to children and so will you

>>40128870
you would've been fine, there aren't piles of dead kids from 20 years ago
you're a victim of an abusive medical system and tranny cult which gave you a horror of your own body before you even knew what it was for

>>40128672
>children can't understand what they're consenting to
is this also true for removing a cis boy's gynecomastia?
or for removing a large benign tumor that is an obstacle in day to day life?
i would imagine there probably are scenarios where you support elective surgery on children. either way that isnt what people talk about with trans kids, they just mean hrt there. you can't really get trans surgery underage.
also male puberty robs most trans women of their chance to decide their future as adults.
>>40128681
only like 2 people have had trans surgeries underage. why shouldn't it be a case by case basis when some people benefit a lot

>>40129186
>you can't really get trans surgery underage.
some ftms get top surgery at 16-17 but even that is extremely rare

>>40128387
>>Sarah is right. Trannies went too far, too fast.

True but let's see how your logic fares…


>>Society works based on looks


Yes, but and I say but because there is a major mistake with thinking this way. Let’s break it down why thinking this way is wrong…


>>landwhale fat girls that nobody likes not even their mother


First mistake and probably the only mistake. The reason no one likes landwhales is because they are annoying and they smell like trash, they will also try to invade any space that is not meant for them. Cute girls do not invade, hell, cute girls are hard to find because of the landwhale invasion. Not just because how they look. We also hate twinks for the same reason. Moving on….

>>Pretty trannies get away with stuff


Which ones? Every tranny that you guys say is pretty gets turned into a joke around normal people. So this logic makes no sense…

>>That's just human nature


Human nature only means to have more kids. You are a tranny, I mean I’m one too. I pass but I still know that since I can't have kids I’ll always be considered less. That is human nature, what you are talking about is a fetish. Sorry…


I have concluded that you are a chaser. No normal person thinks the way you do. I’m sorry…

>>40128979
>they wont ban people who disagree with me anymore, its like the holocaust
>ban me? no they dont do that either but I need to be privileged!
you wanted equality. You got it.

>>40129599
doesn't Facebook's ToS carve out a specific exception for using mental illness as an insult for LGBT people? Like if you call random people mentally ill it's an actionable offense but for LGBT it's fine? Lol

>>40129237
Why is this non-birthing person using so


many


newlines

>>40129616
No you cant call an lgbt person mentally ill on facebook still, or anyone.
but you can say that gender dysphoria or homosexuality is a mental illness.
Theres a subtle difference here that will be lost on you but its significant, and a logical policy. In fact, its amazing that there was every a time even trannies would disagree that they have a form of mental illness.

>>40127737 (OP)
Being trans in the west is adhering to a social contract. Feminism brings too much neurotic self awareness to gender as an idea in general. This is the environment that has grown around that.

Pic related shoots up with literal testosterone and isn't chastising society asking to be called a male.

If American trannies don't rebrand their lifestyles as a form of body modification and build their own networks for getting HRT, etc. you just won't exist anymore. I grew up around conservative Christians and believe me, they want you erased from public life. The people behind Nancy Mace, MTG, etc. have very deep pockets and they will not stop hounding you if you keep reacting to them the way you have. Fighting gender non-conformity of all kinds is their Jihad.

>>40129671
i don't care im not gonna manmode

>>40129633
i think whether you consider dysphoria a mental illness or not is mostly semantic. it's definitely an illness, but i don't wanna feed people the impression that we are untrustworthy and delusional

>>40129671
> Fighting gender non-conformity of all kinds is their Jihad.
> Nancy Mace, MTG, etc.
This is going to sound insulting or like a cheap dunk or whatever, but it's ironic and kind of interesting that the most virulently anti-trans of women are themselves quite obviously high T. They behave and in some cases physically look wayyyy outside the range of what's typical for female. They're generally anti-feminist but embody a lot of the feminist ideals, like women fighting for and claiming power, being "one of the boys," etc. Conservative women, at least the ones that actually seek office or power rather than some Fox News anchor, are more manly than the average woman and many of their male counterparts.

>>40129719
>untrustworthy and delusional
sounds like your own bias
Depression is a mental illness, do you think they are untrustworthy or delusional? do you think people should be banned from facebook for saying depression is a mental illness? Probably not. Which is why meta has pretty reasonable rules on the ability to call mental illness mental illness but also not use the term as a pejorative against specific people even if they are mentally ill.
You can say "Schizophrenia is a mental illness" on facebook. You cant find a schizophrenic and post under his photo that hes mentally ill, even though that fact is not doubted by anyone

>>40127737 (OP)
The problem wasn’t pushing too hard, the problem was pushing in the wrong direction. The left’s biggest mistake in the past decade or so has been to focus on identity politics and berating people for the slightest indication of bigotry instead of focusing on material issues and building sympathy and understanding. Doing the former can occasionally get people to self-reflect, but mostly it makes people more conscious of their ingroup and feeds into their tribalistic instinct, hence why antiracism (i.e. you’re either racist or anti-racist, you need to acknowledge your white privilege) has caused a rise in white supremacism. And of course, another problem is that the left broadly doesn’t care that much about our material issues like access to HRT, they just see us as queers, i.e. deranged freaks (positive, we’re progressive which means we love freaks!).

>>40129803
>antiracism (i.e. you’re either racist or anti-racist, you need to acknowledge your white privilege) has caused a rise in white supremacism
can you actually establish that? no, you can't, just like you can't reasonably say that "the left" or whatever monolith of lgbt folx you want to conjure up actually should have just conceded to this insane ramp up of anti-humanitarian rhetoric in some areas over the past decade

you drank the koolaid

>>40129969
I never claimed that we should concede to it, I just think the strategy that the left has used has been woefully inadequate and even counterproductive.

>>40129969
And while you’re free to reject the idea that militant antiracism sparked a rise in white supremacy, I think I should properly justify the theory. Firstly, it seems obvious to me that the rise of /pol/-brand white supremacy nearly coincided with the 2010s “privilege” discourse on places like tumblr, but even if that is the case, it’s just correlation. The theory for causation is based on the minimal group paradigm when you divide people into groups, no matter how superficial or arbitrary, people infer good intentions into members of their ingroup and bad intentions into members of the outgroup. The theory is essentially that by calling attention to demographic groups in an attempt to counteract the dynamics of discrimination, progressives accidentally reinforced the group structures and created a prime environment for people to be indoctrinated by the anti-humanitarian rhetoric you mentioned.

>>40130133
so you've got no material basis for this, got it

>>40130211
Do you have a better theory?

>>40130226
you haven't presented a theory, just parroted victim-blaming rhetoric

>>40130231
Okay, it’s an explanation then, not a theory. Do you have a better one?

>>40130266
explanation for what, exactly? because I already addressed the ramp-up of attacks on human rights being justified with rhetoric

Remember when you all insisted that everyone who didnt blindly play along with every more extreme virtual signaling and niche victimhood recognition and self flagellation would be “on the wrong side of history”?
Felt like every 4 months for 12 years we had a new kony 2012 cause to wear pins for and blame white males on

>>40130288
So why was the rhetoric effective, and why were attempts to counter it ineffective? My theory is that many progressives were too belligerent to majority demographics and that’s why conservatives were able to sway them, which answers both of those questions.

>>40130331
>why was the rhetoric effective, and why were attempts to counter it ineffective
because the oligarchs and institutions funding this agenda have more money than god
>My theory
it's not a theory and you don't have any evidence to support that like you're just repeating the rhetoric itself, directly, right now lmao

>>40130331
the left uses white male as a derogatory term while pretending to be "anti-racist".
theres no mystery why the average person rejects their hypocrisy.

>>40130297
Well they are still on the wrong side of history. It's not like people are going to stop biohacking their sexed attributes ever. This is like mass literacy or electricity, it's not going back in the bottle. All this political stuff is very silly it's like people screaming that we should un-invent electricity. Just not going to happen.

>>40130363
So that’s it then, conservative billionaires unilaterally bought public opinion and the progressive billionaires (read: less conservative billionaires) were powerless to stop them? Have you not once thought that maybe when people like >>40130372 tell you why they rejected the left (however misguided their reasons are), they might be telling you an ounce of truth about their own opinion? Humans are not completely rational agents; even if you’re 100% correct about something, plenty of people won’t agree with you if you try to explain it to them in a way that implies they’re at fault for not already agreeing with you.

>>40130431
>they might be telling you an ounce of truth about their own opinion
>Humans are not completely rational agents
agreed!
>plenty of people won’t agree with you if you try to explain it to them in a way that implies they’re at fault for not already agreeing with you
now prove that it's the fault of the left or whoever for "not explaining it right" or what the fuck ever and NOT the LITERAL PAID PROPAGANDA telling people that the left condescends and rejects them

you are so intellectually cucked

>>40130455
I don’t think the left is 100% to blame for it, I just think that rightists took advantage of the left’s strategic error to bolster their numbers.

>>40130455
>LITERAL PAID PROPAGANDA telling people that the left condescends and rejects them
lol buddy pal its the left telling me that themselves. i can listen to what you retards say

you retards couldnt even name your focus group for kamala "white men for harris", it had to be "white dudes for harris" because to the left all white men are frat bro nepo-babies who love sports. The left fell hard for their own bernie bro meme. "White men who are not conservitives? these must be dude bro sportsball fans bro, thats how we speak to these subhuman creatures who watch TV all day like homer simpson, if only they could be as enlightened as us non-white-males."
Literally every action by the left towards white men is condescending.

Example: semi-recent Ars Technica article about a DEI / aerospace scholarship for women. Where instead of making sane arguments like "people should be aloud to make scholarships for whoever they want" or "theres absolutely subconcious bias towards these groups which is why its important to have programs to help them" it devolves to "all the white men in these fields are frat bro keg bros".
This is how the average progressive sees men. And their so blind to their own hatred of men they pretend its not happening and that its only conservative propaganda that pushes the idea they hate white men.

>>40130536
>NASA before DEI:
>Whaao sup Tyler! welcome to NASA my dude! Delta Fi Kappa! So yea bro heres your new desk, right next to the kegger my friend, and like over there is where the hot bitches we hire sit, watch out for Samatha though shes a bitch. All right now im back to my office to torrent some sick new blink-182. this job is so fuckin easy!

>>40130536
google cambridge analytica retard

>>40127737 (OP)
>congresswoman
>not 'transcongresswoman'
Cringe
Do your research, "news" outlet

>>40130592
What about it? I know about it extensively. Not sure how it precludes the fact that left hates white men

>>40127737 (OP)
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Both Erin Reed and Sarah McBride are wealthy.
They both have the money for FFS.
Yet Erin Reed is a total gigahon and Sarah McBride, while not horrible, could obviously use FFS she has nothing done. Not even rhino.

Why are politicshons, even those that care about optics, like this?

>>40130536
>source: anti-humanitarian rhetoric on social media
thanks for proving my point

if think yous should push harder, compromising just gives the vibe that the things trans people are asking for are negotiable which opens the door to a complete push back

>>40130672
>Yes leftists are saying these things, but if you listen to our official stance it clearly states we dont hate white men.
And china is paying for tariffs....

>>40130691
?

>>40130672
>source: my feelings
lmfao you really don't have a leg to stand on other than your impotent rage

>>40130698
Can you name a source or category of source that you would except as proof the left has clear disdain for white men? Theres ample quotes from leftists and leftist politicians showing their disdain. We dont need Cambridge Analytica to twist anything when the words are coming right from their mouths.

>>40130703
I don't "have" anything, I'm calling out the lack of material evidence for this person CONTINUING to repeat anti-humanitarian propaganda from transparently funded campaigns coordinated by the religious right in the US and abroad

>>40130716
you might actually be schizophrenic

>>40130719
>its the religious right that made 100% of the left hate white men and blame white men for all the problems in the world for 12 years
lmao

>>40130727
>100% of the left hate white men and blame white men for all the problems in the world
prove that
like, you're going in a circle here, that's how the rhetoric works, how are you not seeing that?

>>40130726
so youd never accept a source.

Ok well, this is pretty typical of your kind. You "know" youre morally right, and thus can never be wrong, and when presented with endless evidence showing why you keep losing elections and popular support you simply plug your ears and say "no we never did that, thats propaganda".
People are sick of the left telling them to reject their lying eyes.

>>40130731
I will prove it.
Now you have rejected "posts on social media" as proof.
So I will find other proof. And before I do, I want a list from you of sources you wont trust, because theyre "propaganda". That way when i present the proof you cant retroactively say "no no that doesnt count"

let me offer a suggestion. Direct quotes from elected leftist politicains. That cant possibly be propaganda or russia agents using sock puppets to trick retarded boomers on facebook could it?
Simple yes or no question: is that source acceptable to you?

>>40130719
>anti-humanitarian propaganda
ah yes the great cause of trooning
like no one comes to sensible conclusions on their own
continue to resort to strawmans and appeals to emotion

>>40129969
On the right it's called "The Fresh Prince Era," referring to how in the 90's the social rhetoric was how every race was the same and everyone should get along and be color blind. This is talked about in contrast to modern gender politics, where the onus is placed on people who supposedly have privilege to hate/hurt themselves and confer advantage to so-considered underprivileged people to 'repent' for supposed past wrongs. No longer is the theme that white and black people are the same and should be treated with the same human dignity (and so any racism should be corrected as a violation of shared human dignity.) Now, the theme is that white people are especially cruel, evil, and naturally advantaged as a class (even if you're dirt poor and sick) and so must constantly work to flagellate and give their wealth and status over to blacks in reparation for their existence. It is, basically put, applying Marxist rhetoric in regards to class, to race. The white race is innately an exploitative bourgeois that must be destroyed and dismantled for the sake of the people. People obviously don't like being called monsters, they don't like rhetoric dangerously close to justifying their murder/death, they innately hate unfairness, and they don't like being called privileged when they're visibly poor/uneducated/struggling. By casting them as kulaks you've made them incredibly racially aware again.

>>40127737 (OP)
>sarah
she's a zionist and therefore should be shot or hung. next question

>>40129969
>anti-humanitarian rhetoric
You mean the lefts condemnation of white peoples and indigenous europeans?

>you won't accept any source!!
>projects puritanical moralization and working backwards from conclusions
>spews more rhetoric doing the exact same thing
>muh marxism
lmao

>>40130926
>thinks only one person is calling out xis stupidity
lawl

>>40130946
please work on your reasoning and reading comprehension skills

>>40130926
Yeah you're referring to me with the Marxist comment. I'm simply explaining to you why the right feels what it does, and the terminology they use. Even if you disagree with the logic someone uses or finds it faulty, there's always a WHY behind the way someone feels the way they do. You cannot understand, and thus you cannot either change or suppress, someone's position unless you know why they have it. Also, Social Marxism was an actual movement that informs the modern left's strategy in regards to race, so laughing about it doesn't do you any good. You're discounting another 'why'.

>>40127813
>puppygirl avatar

>>40130958
You should yourself
And read more theory

>>40130981
>I'm simply explaining to you why the right feels what it does
you are stuck in a loop

>>40130994
I didn't say or suggest there was only one poster because I didn't see any reason to or reasonable way to, like it didn't even come up, that's what I'm calling out is the assumption made in that replay
and what theory, specifically?

>>40131001
>you are stuck in a loop
It was my first reply to you, anon. I'm not looping at all. This is my third reply to you.

>>40131009
what does the number of replies you made have to do with my assertion that you are sustaining your justification for the conclusion induced by rhetoric by citing and repeating the rhetoric itself with no meaningful basis?

you
are
stuck
in
a
loop

>>40131015
This person is mentally ill.
Thank god I can say it on facebook now

>>40131015
you are literally malding lol
you are proof malding is real

>>40127737 (OP)
>based and gatekeep-pilled

Most people don’t believe trans is real and don’t believe in so called “gender care” at all, or the idea that ffs and hormones is somehow health care

You can’t be a moderate trans person

>>40127737 (OP)
Oh my fuck. we couldn't get ANY other tranny in Congress? it had to be this spinless bitch?

DO SOMETHING SARAH. YOU'RE LETTING YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS DIE RETARD

>>40128183
Unironically based and would solve 75% of all westoid troon issues. God bless Xi

>>40129770
im not talking about how i feel, the average person will hear that trannies have a mental illness and think "oh they're just crazy." they already compare us to schizophrenic people specifically to discredit us and say our dysphoria isn't real and can be fixed with antipsychotics.
i guess the problem is more with perception of mental illness generally.

>>40127737 (OP)
once the heckin epic quirky tumblr chungus gender shit started it was over

the only way trannies will ever get solid rights that stick around is if it's sold to the public as a serious medical condition that needs to be treated, not just a sporkin awesome life choice that anyone can make to own the cishets and get their girlclitty hard

>>40129078
because trannies are a tiny fraction of the population retard, and most (not all) trans kids don’t die without early medical intervention they just transition later in life with worse average outcomes and lower average quality of life
>gave you a horror of your own body before you even knew what it was for
how did the retarded leftist idea that nothing about a person is innate and every thought that someone has is magically implanted in them by le society catch on in rw spheres? It’s literally the “purely socioeconomic factors” meme

>>40131617
>they just transition later in life with worse average outcomes and lower average quality of life
every famous trans person with a successful career transitioned later in life though.

>>40127737 (OP)
The suicidal hubris of troons is so fucking funny.

>>40127737 (OP)
>Erin Reed
watching this hon angrily lisping through his tooth gap about the supreme court was hilarious

every time i look at the clock, it seems like it's always drama time :(

>>40131759
Survivorship bias

>>40131867
why are you called poopanon

>>40131887
Do elaborate.

>>40131759
successful career in what, being famously a tranny?
that’s not even true either btw

>>40131906
Actually it's several fallacies including selection bias because people who transition young want to stay stealth or will straight up avoid highly public facing careers because of how insane people get about trannies

>>40131927
>successful career in what, being famously a tranny?
no, you can find late-transitioners with all kinds of successful careers, including politics, cinema, STEM, etc. but where are the early transitioners with higher quality of life?

>>40131935
I think some people are too quick to namedrop fallacies where they don't apply. Your claim that there are a ton of successful stealth early transitioners and that these hidden people we don't know of constitute evidence that early transitioners enjoy a superior quality of life to late transitioners is in fact a type of logical fallacy called "making shit up without evidence", also known by its latin name "ass-pulls".

>>40131892
because i like poop! i think it's such an amazing thing to be able to watch someone go poop. it's such a secret moment, people are even more private about their poop than they are about their naked body! even sex is considered less of a taboo topic than poop. to be able to see someone in their most natural setting is really special to me :)

>>40127737 (OP)
reminder that Sarah McBride is an aipac shilling hon

>>40131994
How am I supposed to demonstrate that when the evidence comes from mass media promulgating stories about individuals? I don't have access to a national registry of trannies and neither do you

>>40132027
in other words, we have evidence of late transitions with high quality of life but no evidence of early transitioners with high quality of life. Your choice is to make shit up(there are a ton of hidden stealth early transitioners with superior quality of life) and use this made up shit as proof for your assertion that early transitioners have higher quality of life.

See the problem?

>>40132067
We have a known biased source of evidence for the first. We can't conclude what you're trying to conclude without knowingly being retarded.

>>40132067
i transitioned at 16 and can tell you that my quality of life is almost certainly higher than if i had continued going through male puberty.

>>40132008
well
at least you have something to be so happy and enthusiastic about
it's not like you're harming anyone so I wont judge you

>>40132097
>>40132099
you don't understand how empirical evidence works. Making shit up isn't evidence. You could make up an explanation for anything no matter how ridiculous.
>the fact that we haven't observed UFO's is proof that alien lizards have cloaking devices that have successfully fooled all human technology, therefore aliens exist and control us.

>>40132067
Why do you even care?

If you can't tell what advantage being an early transitioner has you should just stay out of the conversation. Your whole argument is "we can always tell" vibes. Like go on Google and search up "people you didn't know were trans" and you'll see some people who were willing to come out only after gaining success. You're being purposely obtuse.

I trooned at 16 and if you can't tell I'd be dead if I didn't. I don't understand why some people care what others do in life, its none of your business to know who's trans and who isn't and you will never know who's who so stop pretending you do

>>40132152
>Why do you even care?
I seek empirical evidence for the popular claim and argument that early transitioners enjoy superior quality of life to late transitioners and therefore should influence all sorts of policies. So far I only see people make shit up with their own imagination.

eg "if I had transitioned young I'd super-pass and my life would've been perfect" meanwhile in reality no one envies jazz. So make-belief says on thing, reality another.

>>40132149
>posted while unironically stating that a lack of celebrities is scientific evidence

>>40130536
Woke kept the planes working, whereas anti-woke has resulted in dozens of accidents since Trump's election. Its clear that DEI makes companies more powerful, and thus I support it wholeheartedly.

>>40132181
I never limited success to being a celebrity. In this particular context the successful person is a politician and the other a blogger. They are empirical evidence that successful late transitioners exist. Now I want empirical evidence that early transitioners have SUPERIOR quality of life. No evidence has been given only imagination. I also used my imagination to explain why we haven't seen aliens despite their control over us.

>>40132187
meanwhile the reality of DEI at airports

>>40127890
move there then

>>40132149
im not offering empirical evidence im offering an anecdote that i think is relevant considering we have no data.
>you could make up
you're so cynical. or do you just actually axiomatically believe that trans women need those extra few years of testosterone to pass and be happy

>>40132309
your anecdote is of a trans person claiming that their life would've been super better and mega perfect had they gotten fifty eleven surgeries before the age of 9. I know that is being claimed all the time. My entire point was that no one ever points to the ACTUAL cases of these supposed success stories, just imagination.

For example, how do you know you wouldn't have turned out like jazz instead? How do you know you would've turned out like the super secret hidden stealth success stories that are so super secret and hidden that you don't even know of them?

>>40132334
my anecdote is of myself having a relatively high quality of life i would not have had i not been able to transition underage. i started at 16 and am 23 now.

also i hate to tell you this but if she wasn't famous jazz would be stealth. there are stocky uggo cis women out there, and yeah they are rare, but so are trannies.

>>40132132
aww thank you for being so accepting anon. it is true i don't want to harm anybody, and i don't wanna touch the poopy or something like that. just be invited to that private moment. i have had people in my life who've let me watch them poo, it's so cute watching the different reactions people have to pooping in front of someone for the first time :)

well well well

>>40131994
>where are the early transitioners with higher quality of life?
probably not sticking out as gross looking hons that are easy to gawk in horror at

Well how big is the difference in transitioning at 18 or 15? That is the important question here.

>>40132067
>we have evidence of late transitions with high quality of life but no evidence of early transitioners with high quality of life
that's wrong though lol you're defining quality of life by popularity

>>40132437
Why are Jews so sexist?

>>40131617
>most (not all) trans kids don’t die without early medical intervention they just transition later in life with worse average outcomes and lower average quality of life
no they just end up gay or lesbian

>>40132596
that’s very obviously not actually true though, it would just be convenient for your belief system to pretend that it is

>>40132748
it's very convenient for hulking AGPs like Brianna Wu to pretend they were little gay boys who liked wearing dresses once, but it's obviously bullshit

>>40132585
Senators are about 50x more powerful than a representative.

>>40127767
Nah, autistic retards who are incapable of being strategic due to not having theory of mind say this non-stop because they are brain damaged. Sarah is right.

Keep screeching though. Not like you anime hons have anything to lose anyway. Of course you don't give a fuck about actually preserving trans rights. You'll never be happy, not because you are trans, but because you are weird and out of touch.

>>40127939
oh no, what will they do without based transbians having halo lan party orgies

>>40128555
you're a retard. if transition helps adults, it would help young people too, and the changes that happen to those young people during their natal puberty effectively leave them disfigured when living as their gender later in life.

you know this, of course. you just think that it's better for millions of trannies to suffer the fate of looking and sounding weird for their entire lives rather than 1 non-trans person maybe accidentally having the same fate

cut the Zio in pieces
then burn the pieces

>>40127737 (OP)
So she made a perfectly accurate statement. Just the "Here and Queer" crowd now is getting butt hurt because they love grifting under the trans umbrella

>>40135469
yah and honestly i think that crowd is butthurt bc they don't want to expect that their pushing backfired and further marginalized trans ppl

No idea why israels goodest goys and the troons that yearn for less rights are a so assblasted itt about the china comparsion. China has the western status quo anti concerning tranny policy. Thats what you want, extensive medical and psychiatric hurdles to begin transition locked behind years of engagment with those services and failed alternative therapies, state recognition locked behind surgical intervention, minimal baseline levels of legal protection to prevent the most servere forms of discrimination, no ability for children to access pharma treatments for GD, no social recognition of your existence and no onus on citizenry to tolerate you as the opposite gender and no ability to participate as the opposite gender in things like sport, academic and employment carveouts for women. Transrights have gone too far and we need to rvtvrn to like 20 years ago, just like china.

>>40128381
> The only ones dragging their feet are the mentally ill never passers who want to drag the rest down with them. Get a clue.

Agreed but you need to expand it to the baby trans and teenagers who think they need to be extremely flamboyant or they are clueless that they are flamboyant like most in the baby trans stage.

>>40129719
LOL. Not when you consider the suicide rate. That's more an issue of people including trans who have gross bigotry against mental illness, and paraphilias.

>>40135502
It's all types of trannies.

>>40135301
Prove it. And also make sure you have standards that clearly separate normal emotional issues and anxiety that comes with puberty from dysphoria.

>>40127813
>trans rights are better in grorious CHINA
Isn't this just because Chinese men all look like women without trying to begin with?

>>40127959
Yes, you have to sacrifice yourself pointlessly as part of mass koolaid protest suicides or you're anti-tranty. Also you should definitely not examine why someone would say this to you, that's phobic.

>>40128183
>you need parental consent for srs regardless of age. oh gweilo? your parents are dead? you're too old to transition.
Based filial piety

>>40128381
for 15 years ive been watching trannies scream at the top of their lungs to be treat like humans only to settle for being treat like dogs. it never gets better, and youre not smarter than them for thinking you can play strategy with ontological loathing and get anything other than slow decline.

>>40135259
like all the "autistic retards" in the black and gay civil rights movements who pushed so hard they fucking died? think about where you're saying what you're saying, hoss

>>40137031
Glad them faggot nigers died.

>>40135301
if sex is good for adults it should be good for children too, right?

trannies avoid making nonce arguments challenge: impossible

>>40135301
>you know this, of course. you just think that it's better for millions of trannies to suffer the fate of looking and sounding weird for their entire lives rather than 1 non-trans person maybe accidentally having the same fate

if you're a hon you would've always been a hon
bitter pill but there it is
passing comes from feminine development which is set in the womb, if you weren't a naturally feminine gay boy, you're going to be a hon, just deal with it and stop harming gays and lesbians because you're jealous of our natural GNC

>>40137017
Cope.

>>40131759
what the fuck are you talking about
hunter schafer transitioned in high school

>>40138378
sneed

>"We overplayed our hand and pushed too hard"
She's right, you know. Transsexuals lost the plot the moment they abandoned medicalism and assimilation in favor of allowing themselves to be turned into living sociological weapons of mass destruction by subversive cultural bolshevists. You can either have HRT for minors or you can have gender negationism, but you cannot have both. And yet you insist on having both which is why normies perceive you as a bunch of deranged lunatics who want to sterilize their kids now. Worth noting that socially conservative countries which never abandoned medicalism still tolerate trannies and dont have raging, massive anti-trans movements, e.g. China, Iran, Pakistan etc.

>>40127737 (OP)

Youre men pretending to be women. Men should have the right pretend to be women. But men do not have womens rights.

>>40132187
>whereas anti-woke has resulted in dozens of accidents since Trump's election.
Except, it hasn't.
>>40132187
>Woke kept the planes working
Except, it never.

>>40129186
>only like 2 people have had trans surgeries underage
You could have literally done a search before answering

While there isn't a precise, publicly available count of all trans men who have had top surgery before age 18, data suggests it's a relatively small, but increasing, number.
A Reuters report indicated at least 776 mastectomies were performed on patients aged 13-17 with gender dysphoria diagnoses in the US in the three years ending in 2021. Another Reuters report cited a 389% increase in these surgeries from 2016 to 2019.

And yes, I consider an FTM top surgery a trans surgery.

>>40128968
More than 1?
Less than 10?

>>40127737 (OP)
Sarah gets it, deranged twitter leftoids in the trans community have done untold damage to the cause and need to be excised. Same with the dem party more broadly: illiberal anti-electoral revolution larpers, anti-semite terrorist simps, and every piece of shit 'le west bad' campist needs to bullied back out into the fringes.

Its a fucking tragedy that this is what it took for people to start realizing that but at least the ball is rolling now. The chud coalition is already fracturing, public sentiment is turning against them, and there's opportunity for us provided the crazies on our side are shut out and sensible center-left liberals stop trying to pander to them.