Monumental edition
>Manmoder general is the thread for AMAB MTFs who are on HRT but still live socially as men
old >>40120877

QOTT: How will you be remembered?

>>40131461 (OP)
hey nonnies.
>How will you be remembered?
Male, and probably more for academic achievements/reading a lot than anything else. I hate having no personality and I hate how my mother latches onto every single masculine trait of mine and tries to define me by it. It makes me almost ok with ruining my life by trooning because it gives me the chance to spite here.
That said, you gals seen any good movies recently???

>>40131461 (OP)
>QOTT
Recently I thought I would commit suicide and had a suicide note that basically says I'm trans. But for some reason I feel optimistic now. Maybe I'll get a good job and get FFS and get older and really be remembered as a dignified lady :)

>>40131461 (OP)
>QOTT
an unrelenting pedant of the highest order

>>40131461 (OP)
>still live socially as men
so a retarded boymoder fits this definition if he THINKS that he lives as a man, while he obviously looks like a woman?
it should be
>Manmoder general is the thread for AMAB MTFs who are on HRT, live socially as men and will never pass

qott
AS A MAN fml

>>40131615
You can live as a man and not be in "will never pass" territory though. Some people might start to pass with FFS. And it's not either "you will never pass" or "you are a retarded boymoder who looks like a woman."

>>40131615
nah that's gay, the difference between a boy and a man is the difference between a boymoder and a manmoder

nobody taking hrt can live as a 'man' for long. manmoding is a fucking scam. you should have repped

>>40131738
false
t. on HRT 5 years and still living as a man and recognized by everyone as one IRL and online

>>40131728
you're not a manmoder and never will be

>>40131756
prove it, you salty bitch

>>40131738
trvke

>>40131762
you don't have a masculine appearance
a boymoder isn't someone who is literally treated like a boy, the difference between a boymoder and manmoder is strictly in appearance, a boymoder is feminine and could pass, a manmoder is masculine and can't pass
you're not masculine

why should anyone have repped? what's a scam about manmoding?

>>40131461 (OP)
people here are more honest. What do you all think of my scars?

>>40131794
>you don't have a masculine appearance
>you're not masculine
yes I do and yes I am
>the difference between a boymoder and manmoder is strictly in appearance
>a manmoder is masculine and can't pass
according to what or whom?

fail

>>40131803
I think you should cut that habit of your life, faggot

>>40131806
>according to what or whom?
it's the commonly understood difference, see picrel
>yes I do and yes I am
name your masculine features retard

>>40131825
>it's the commonly understood difference
understood by whom and where in what contexts?
>picrel
I am literally in that picture on the left you dumbass, that is me, that is a caricature of me

>>40131812
but what do you think of the scars/my arm? are they feminine or more masculine looking?

>>40131803
cute! I have some but they mostly faded away

>>40131835
no

>>40131851
Ty, that means a lot!

>>40131859
no what?

>>40131830
>understood by whom and where in what contexts?
it's a general understanding I've seen, if you have a better understanding then please, using your own standards, prove that it's what really is manmoding, because to me it seems like you merely claim that manmoding is your autistic definition of it, when I have, for example, produced an image which outlines my point
>I am literally in that picture on the left you dumbass, that is me, that is a caricature of me
you have
>bdd
>big eyes
>small chin
>normal boobs
>small hands
>fat thighs
you don't have
>tiny eyes
>a big brow
you don't look like a man retard

i will be remembered as the freak weirdo who stared at the ground when you talked to him.
>>40131481
>good movies recently
vanilla sky, rain man, top gun, mission impossible

>>40131959
she said good movies

>>40131969
tom cruise is in it…. that’s good mvoies

>>40131877
>look this self-hating cope meme means I'm right
lol

I'm probably twice your age and like more of a man than you, I defined the term as above over 5 years ago before I started HRT and was considering tentatively indefinite manmode as an alternative to repression (which was killing me) or either banking on trying to pass and present in a feminine manner and doing a conventional girlmode/honmode (which was not satisfactory and felt both not genuinely like "me" and insanely stressful to consider trying to just put on another different mask to appease others or conform to a stereotype)

>>40132016
>and like
and look like*

I fucking hate trannies. They are vile, hateful demons.

>t. Manmoder

>>40132032
shut up, tranny

>>40131990
i love Tom but those aren't good movies

>>40132016
so you can't even prove your definition, but you're asking me to prove mine?

>>40132056
what? where did I ask you to "prove" your definition?

>>40131876
>no what?
no
that's it, just... no

those pink/reddish ones can take decades to fade and turn into normal pale scar tissue

>>40132039
what is your true kino list (that preferably has tom cruise)

>>40132065
>>40131806
>according to what or whom?

https://voca.ro/15anlbBsX8nW

>>40132102
yes, that is what I asked
are you underage?

>>40131481
i watched sinners. amazing picture too bad I didn't get to see in the theaters

>>40132100
honestly the only really great Cruise movies are Eyes Wide Shut and Interview With the Vampire, his talents have been severely underutilized

>>40132115
isn't this literally asking for empirical proof?

>>40132086
that's not necessarily a bad thing. I was kind of worried they would fade. I just wish you gave an actual opinion on them :/

>>40132209
this isn't passgen alt or self-harm gen, fuck off

>>40132215
im sorry, I didn't mean to irritate you.

>>40132240
pay no attention to her shes 40 years old and still a virgin

>>40132170
holy shit no, it's not, why would you even think it is? if I wanted "empirical proof" of a definition (what does that even mean? like a dictionary entry lol?) I would have asked for some kind of evidence or proof and not used the actual words that I used when asked the fucking question (please please please please PLEASE stop substituting things you imagine for reality!)

every single word in the human language is made up, and terms are defined or coined in evolving ways, so I was quite literally just asking who was using this supposed definition and where/in what context to which had nothing to offer - what I offered instead was a definition that predates your ridiculous escalation in the name of self-herm that doesn't match the way the other terms in the context are used and presents immediately obvious conflicts, one which instead has been a standard convention for the timeframe I suggested

we've been doing this for years, like the word got thrown around a handful of times before 2020 even, but when this iteration of the general coalesced then we had people trying to escalate it and differentiate themselves with shit like "gorillamoder" because they "boymoders" (literal girlmoders and actively malefailing passoids not actually presenting in any masculine way) had diluted the word so badly and furthered this awful feedback loop of self-harm

I'm a manmoder and you can fucking cope

>>40132259
I'm 35 and probably had more sex than you in your whole life in the years I was active

i hate women and i know they hate me too
and whoever the fuck reported me for posting shota should be fucking burned to death screaming in pain
i fucking hate normies and moralfags so much i can't take it anymore. society rejected me. why even live? in this world of fear and pain and demons who only exist to torture me and shame me

>>40132274
>was
why lie grandma. We both know you're too bald and autistic for social interactions

>>40132284
>was
what?

>>40132281
yes I hate but becayse you're a misogynist

>>40131959
>i will be remembered as the freak weirdo who stared at the ground when you talked to him.
me every time i buy alcohol and they ask for ID and i hand them my nonbinary autistic retard card EVERYONE LOOK AT ME I AM AN UGLY FAGGOT WHO WEARS SKIRTS AND LICKS PENISES BECAUSE WOMEN WON'T TOUCH ME

>>40132295
kill yourself. misogynist is just an antimale slut used to further bully men already rejected by society you sick fuck. you are a normie and a demon you don't belong here. you probably love political parties and trust the media
you think "democracy is real" and "your vote counts" because you are an NPC feminazi zogbot cry-bully

>>40131803
>>40131835
gay yaoi twink coded cuts

>>40132331
god I wish that "slur" worked

>oh that man made me uncomfortable because he's autistic and gay and that's creepy because he's ugly
>hehe chad joked about raping my pussy again feeling so cute!!
CIS WOMEN ARE AGP
CIS WOMEN ARE META-ATTRACTED SELF-CENTERED BITCHES
and they don't even like chad
they just like how he makes them feel
truly normal woman are incapable of love

>>40132361
>be relentlessly rejected by women and publicly shamed and implied im a rapist putting me in danger and further social rejection basically bullying me to death
>"actually im the victim"
KILL YORSELF KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF DEMON TORTURING ME KILL YOURSELF DEMON POSTHASTE KILL YOURSELF DEMON TORTURING ME WHY KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF YOU AIDS DEMON POSTHASTE KILL YOURSELF

>erm, chad... that guy is a total creepazoid misogynist
>go bully him for me please
YOU are the real misogynist for hating incel manlets like me. we suffer and are TORTURED and HARASSED for my feminine traits. I've had my ass slapped and nipples twisted but no one cares when it happens to me. but if a woman so much as feels i looked at or talked to her the wrong way i'm the """"""""""misogynist """"""""""??? YOUR FUCKING HYPOCRITE NPC ZOGBOT KILL YOURSELF. GO DIE IN IRAN FOR ISRAEL

>>40132367
>>40132382
men are psychological vampires. they have everything and still want more while forcing you to do emotional labor for them. no wonder so many women are mentally unwell and traumatized

> psychological vampires. they have everything and still want more
> while forcing you to do emotional labor for them
sounds to me like you're perfectly describing femoids
now fuck off back to r*ddit

>>40132426
I'm describing people like you actually

>you have no job, no friends, no degree, and complete social rejection
>because you are a male with feminine traits you're the biggest target in politics
>HOW DARE YOU HAVE EVERYTHING AND WANT MORE YOU SICK FUCK. WOMEN ARE THE REAL VICTIM HERE, MISOGYNIST
>you're a total emotional vampire, even though it's women who take your money and ghost you

men create a society where they can get away with being literal psychopaths then wonder why you don't trust them

yeah i'm totally an emotional vampire even though i don't even have friends to talk to. everyone's a victim of my malfeasance even when i'm completely isolated and i deserve to be bullied and isolated further for even daring to complain.
>>40132473
once again you're talking about women
go figure

>>40132491
don't you have a school shooting to plan? or dead animals to rape?

i can't even get away with talking to a woman or man without being humilated. and i'm the psychopath? and it's women who are pushing forward this hate against men who are feminine and short and virgins. i'm not demanding sex i'm going my own way and STILL you disgusting feminists are after me. either i'm manspresding and mansplaining if i sit and talk normally. but if i cross my legs and act shy now i'm a creepy rapist troon. i have no options because of women and their victimhood complex toward the least threatening men. it IS bullying

>find the one place you can complain in peace
>NORMIES infiltrate it to keep bullying you
it's almost like you want me to shoot up a school you sick fuck. if you don't like people like me this place isn't meant for you
fuck off. you're such a gleeful bully
>and because men are always rapists i bet you rape kids and animals hehe
meanwhile, the chads can fuck anything and get away with it. while i fuck nothing and therefore am the ultimate pervert it doesn't make sense
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

>actually, by not having sex, you're the ultimate rapist
>actually, the weakest men are the most violent and threatening
>actually, the most bullied men are the real psychopaths
>actually, AGP men avoid women are more of a sexual threat to women than straight men who persue women
>actually, the most feminine and shortest men are the real misogynists, unlike Chad Thundercock

>actually, by not having sex, you're the ultimate rapist
>actually, the weakest men are the most violent and threatening
>actually, the most bullied men are the real psychopaths
>actually, AGP men avoid women are more of a sexual threat to women than straight men who persue women
>actually, the most feminine and shortest men are the real misogynists, unlike Chad Thundercock
>by bullying you and encouraging you to shoot up schools, i prove feminism is right and i am empathetic
>men out of women's spaces, but also, let me infiltrate one of the few male spaces on the internet

never do meth because it makes your personality methful

>sexism
>therefore, sexism but only in one direction not real
?

my new lip gloss smells like passion fruit

>be hated for being attracted to women
>be hated for being attaccted to shotas
>be hated for being attracted to yourself
>be hated if you cut your dick off
>be hated for complaining
i am hated no matter what i do just for being born with a dick
i am always a rapist even when i'm a victim
even as a kid, a girl would chase me with a rock threatening me and said "you look cute when you're scared" so that was the last straw and i picked up a bigger rock
i didn't even hurt her but they MADE me apologize to HER even though SHE startled it. and even though SHE was creepy to me they treated me as dangerous and called my dad to pick me up from school. and my dad lectured me about being a man and how men are stronger and all that disgusting bullshit of never hit women
i've had women slap my ass
FUCK WOMEN I HATE YOU
I HATE YOU
YOU TORTURE ME
YOU HURT ME
YOU CALL ME CREEPY WHILE CREEPING ON ME
TOTAL FEMOIDS DEATH FUCK ALL OF YOU SICK DEMONS
I CAN'T HAVE FRIENDS
I CAN'T EVEN COMPLAIN
THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO
NOWHERE I CAN GO
my rejection is total BECAUSE OF YOU

>>40132695
ok now go take part in the male suicide rate for mommy

this proves feminists are psychopaths

what's up retards
did you have a good day

>>40132274
>why would you even think it is?
you asked
>according to whom
so, you're asking for people, who use this term like that, which is nothing else but empirical proof, providing a case or cases of people who understand it the way I do
>if I wanted "empirical proof" of a definition (what does that even mean? like a dictionary entry lol?) I would have asked for some kind of evidence or proof
if you wanted
>"empirical proof" of a... I would have asked for... proof
if you wanted to ask for empirical proof, you would have asked for proof? but that is exactly what you did, when you asked according to WHAT and WHOM manmoding means this
>(what does that even mean? like a dictionary entry lol?)
no, actually, sociologists study these things and what terms mean, what something is understood to be by society
> (please please please please PLEASE stop substituting things you imagine for reality!)
do you even read what you write? you clearly said that you wanted proof when you asked:
>according to WHAT or WHOM?
if proof is, according to encyclopedia britannica
>proof, in logic, an argument that establishes the validity of a proposition.
then when you ask according to "what" or "whom", you are asking me to make an argument when you ask for "according to what" and when you ask according to whom, you can either mean according to a person who has defined this term, or according to the general understanding shared in a given space
I beg you to read what you write yourself!
> so I was quite literally just asking who was using this supposed definition
and I gave you
>>40131877
>it's a general understanding I've seen,
to which you did not, in post >>40132016, reply properly, but only started insulting me and complaining about your pathetic life
(continued in next post)

https://www.threads.com/@romaarmyofficial/post/DH0ydfOpy7i/media

you claimed that:
>I defined the term as above over 5 years ago before I started HRT
but you've not given anywhere in that post your exact definition, nor have you given your own reasoning as to why that definition should be (or is) the commonly accepted one
>predates your ridiculous escalation in the name of self-herm
this is a big assumption, I want you to prove that my definition is "in the name of self-harm" and not an actual objective criteria for a manmoder (the part where one will never pass)
>that doesn't match the way the other terms in the context are used
such as?
>presents immediately obvious conflicts
such as?
>instead has been a standard convention for the timeframe I suggested
in your words,
according to whom or what?
>I'm a manmoder and you can fucking cope
not according to the understanding that I have seen, and not one that I think is, in my opinion, the generally accepted one

>>40132738
I think so, i spent the morning reading then went out to get a new gloss

>>40132775
>>40132790
ok but you're objectively wrong

androcide now

>>40132792
what didd you read?

>>40132798
why?

>>40132738
no
women hate me
men hate me
everyone hates me
they all must die
Narcissistic women are abusing in ways that society allows. They often leverage their femininity, present themselves as soft-spoken, but it is cunning; it’s premeditated

>>40132813
asking for the context and usage of a definition is not asking for proof of anything, sociologists aren't defining the lingo on /tttt/ or language in general, and I'm literally a manmoder according to the definition I explained very clearly already itt

are you by chance the retard who asked me for a "citation?" blanchard is disingenuous fraud who should face criminal penalties btw

>>40132826
don't hate, imitate. never work a day in your life.

i don't know what's real anymore
>>40132851
i've worked multiple days in my life but okay
>>40132608
i quit meth
but keep suipushing and shaming me for my mental health struggles you sick demons
fuck the CIA and their plan

>>40132809
the memory police, it's good but a bit slow

>>40132864
i remember making that post. remember how i used to argue with larry and play the feminist side? i really don't know what to believe. but no one wants to help me. they just report what i say to the government. therapists are agents of Satan

>>40132864
you voice train girl shut up

CIA = aliens
fuck the feds they aren't human they are monitoring me and stealing my data and PUTTING ME ON TV AND HUMILIATING ME IN FRONT OF CHEERING CROWDS

>>40132893
that looks interesting i'll check it out

>>40132902
KILL YOURSELF DEMON TORTURING ME TOO MUCH POWER COURSING THROUGH THE WORLD KILL YOUR SELF AND YOUR SOUL

I WAS SHAMED
I WAS SHAMED
I WAS SHAMED
I'M ASHAMED the neigbors can hear me masturbating can't they? my future employer is firing me after reading these posts aren't they? everyone thinks i'm a pedophile rapist psychopathic lunatic murderer don't they? just because i mastubate to shota and relate to Jeffery Dahmer? just because i want to taste human flesh?? I DIDN'T ASK FOR THIS LIFE
you MADE me this WAY you FORCED me to be GAY and SUCK OFF HOMLESS PEOPLE IN THE PARK AT NIGHT FOR METH
untily heart was racing and panicking and i couldn't sleep for days from racist rapist thoughts

>>40132902

>>40132832
>asking for the context and usage of a definition is not asking for proof of anything,
I claimed
>>40131794
>a boymoder isn't someone who is literally treated like a boy, the difference between a boymoder and manmoder is strictly in appearance, a boymoder is feminine and could pass, a manmoder is masculine and can't pass
then you asked
>>40131806
>according to what or whom?
I explained then:
>>40131825
>it's the commonly understood difference, see picrel
>>40131830
to which you replied:
>understood by whom and where in what contexts?
so, you replied to my statement that it is the commonly understood difference by asking:
>by whom it is understood as such
>and where in what contexts
when I said that it's a commonly understood difference, I mean that it's understood like this by the majority of people

FACT: i rape lesbians
FACT: i kidnap autistic children
FACT: im gay
FACT: i like the smell of balls
FACT: the CIA cloned me in a test tube

>>40132960
oh my god you are 12 years old and don't understand english stop lol

>>40131877
>it's a general understanding I've seen,
and as to
>and where in what contexts
when you ask
>where
and
>what contexts
you are asking me to list the places and contexts in which this understanding is used
so, the proof you are asking me of here is this: you are asking where this is used, which means I have to tell you the places and contexts in which this definition is used, which can only be provided as empirical data (locations such as 4chan or perhaps more specific ones like generals)
so when I said
>general understanding
and you asked for the places where this GENERAL understanding is used
you are telling me to have empirical proof that this GENERAL understanding even exists
if you meant something else, then fine, but I was specific that this wasn't a specific understanding, but a general understanding, that I was talking about
>and I'm literally a manmoder according to the definition I explained very clearly already itt
according to your definition, but not necessarily according to other definitions
if you want to claim that your definition is the commonly accepted one, then I want you to provide proof

>>40132906
REAL wth this happens to me too

embarrassing, bro

>>40132963
we know

I'm with the terfs
TRANNIES are murderers

i manmode but I still like using eyeliner, gloss and mascara

jesus proved that it is better to be raped than a rapist

>>40132964
>>40132973
so, you can't back up your claims?

>>40132999
>>40133000
checked + trve and based

>>40133001
lol what do you even think my claim is? you are walking through exactly the problem with the vague appeals you are making and exposing that you're not understanding what I'm saying

any cocks i can suck? or do you bug govenment feminists hate short men so much you won't even let me suck your juicy cocks you sick CIA demons

remember those subreddits where women gave each other tips on how to get raped

i miss my 5'6 chinese roommate

>>40133040
no. sauce?

aw hell nah we're actually bombing Iran now

>>40133020
>exposing that you're not understanding what I'm saying
how?

>>40133054
r/rapekink
i swear there was a really bad one though

one must purify his world through an act of pure gnosis. but christ himself said that no knowledge is hidden. christ said this world is like a carcass, no it is a carcass, a corpse. christ says you know what must be done. and i will do it, pure gnosis, light, thanatos, the meaning and presence of the godhead

>>40133073
literally just men larping

>>40133079
um... where u think we're at LMAO

>>40133087
?

>>40133058
Substantiate your claim…

>>40133066
seek help

>>40133058
stop being antisemitic please

>>40133091
did you really sign up to be a janny just to question mark all my posts

>>40133093
Trump just posted on whatever the rightoid twitter thing is that American strikes have already been completed at 3 Iranian nuclear sites
>>40133103
sorry bibi pls step on my neck

>>40133058
there's a sticky on /pol/ idk, seems like something happened in the last hour and I guess we're at war now
>tfw being an ancient manmoder qualifies you to not get drafted
lol

>>40133110
please seek help

>men are about to cause a nuclear holocaust in the sake of white supremacy

>>40133096
aren't you the one who always talks about proof and reasoning and all that shit?
it seems to me that when you're seriously challenged, you resort to insulting people

Da jews are gonna get us killed wtf!!

I live outside of their missile range

>>40133122
?

you vvill die for israel

>>40133151
>seriously challenged
>ur not a manmoder because look at my subjective interpretation of this meme!
lmao

I really hope you're underage and/or ESL, this is so bizarre and sad

>>40133207
>ur not a manmoder because look at my subjective interpretation of this meme!
that's not what I said

>>40133207
?

>>40133199
I'm not dying for a kike, go fuck yourself. and I'm not saying that in a fascist way either. I fucking hate Nazis

but some of you Jewish folk need to settle down.

>>40133211
what are you upset about? what's actually bothering you, here?

>>40133227
I simply don't think you're a manmoder

>>40133236
you've established many times over that you don't actually have any reason to think or say that, so what's actually got you so desperate to fabricate some kind of argument by which it must be true and try to pull this amateur hour debate club bit (for which you're clearly not equipped)?

>>40133236
Are u blind, deaf or retarded?

>>40133199
ok <3 yay <3

>>40133248
?
>>40133227
?

>>40133249
you're also not a manmoder

>>40133264
Ur nutts nigga

lets queue.

yeah, i'm an unemployed gamer, no big deal, bit of a lege'

>>40133248
>you've established many times over that you don't actually have any reason to think or say that
no, as I claimed here:
>>>40131794
>a boymoder isn't someone who is literally treated like a boy, the difference between a boymoder and manmoder is strictly in appearance, a boymoder is feminine and could pass, a manmoder is masculine and can't pass
because
>>40131877
>it's a general understanding I've seen,

>so what's actually got you so desperate to fabricate some kind of argument by which it must be true
I personally don't want to see manmoding being twisted into what it isn't, that is, it shouldn't be boymoding but for supposedly people that "live as men", as opposed to MTFs who live as "boys", which has not ever, to my knowledge, been the definition anywhere of a boymoder, expect perhaps in your high school dropout skull
for fun, let's look at wikipedia:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/manmode
>Manmode suggests an older and more masculine appearance than boymode.
>try to pull this amateur hour debate club bit
do you ever actually argue in good faith and stop insulting people whenever you have no arguments?

>>40133510
>do you ever actually argue in good faith and stop insulting people whenever you have no arguments?
no she doesnt
?

>>40133225
>I'm not saying that in a fascist way
then why say kike
leftychuds aren't beating the horseshoe allegations

>>40133510
remember the part where I asked where, by whom, and/or in what context and you gave me literally your subjective comparison of me to an image macro? lol

you have not done anything to establish grounds on which I am not a manmoder and you're still not even trying

>>40133527
he* faggot

>>40133510
Nigga anyone can edit wiktionary
I can only imagine who wrote the page kek

https://apnews.com/article/iran-israel-war-ai-calls-bots-d83c659b61de1f904b68dc475ddad766
ok this is beyond words
you have to listen to these recordings
>>40133575
ad hominem. engage with the definition and examples provided, not speculation as to who wrote it

>>40133570
>you gave me literally your subjective comparison of me to an image macro? lol
that's not what I did
I gave what I thought was the general understanding of a manmoder
>you have not done anything to establish grounds on which I am not a manmoder and you're still not even trying
yes, I have, I have provided a definition according to which you're not a manmoder, see the wikipedia link
here's another link
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=manmode
because you're not physically masculine (I gave reasons as to why I don't think you are in >>40131877
and you didn't refute my points in
>>40132016

>>40133592
goofy ahh nigga do you feel smart yet :nerd:

>>40133592
>the bot has an indian accent
clown world

>>40133592
>you have to listen to these recordings
no, I don't think I will, i feel bad enough after reading the article

>Boymoder - A usually younger transgirl who is in the process of transitioning or
desires to transition, but is still presenting as a boy and has not yet fully come out.
>Manmoder - a male to female trans woman who is still presenting as a masculine male. This term is used in contrast to boymoder, who are considered to be more youthful, effeminate, androgynous, and cute.
problem solved

omg
imagine being this much of a purist about a social label with this little historical understanding directly to one of the people responsible for it taking root as a coined term during the great lockdown troonwave

>>40133604
you know what's really fucking sad about all this hoop-jumping and clumsy attempted linguistic sleight of hand you're attempting? even if you did nail down some concrete definition that you thought agreed with your unsupported assertions and allusions to definitionally unfalsifiable usage and context for that definition, I'm still objectively masculine in ways that would qualify me as a manmoder under that because you're just using subjective language regarding your brainwormed BDD-ass interpretation

>>40133637
>Manmoder - a male to female trans woman who is still presenting as a masculine male. This term is used in contrast to boymoder, who are considered to be more youthful, effeminate, androgynous, and cute.
this is basically what it's been for 5+ years, like kmpi (urbandictionary definition) is one of the OGs but I think he fell off and was some kind of fascist

>>40133638
>clumsy
will you prove this, or is this just another insult?
>unsupported assertions
such as?
>allusions
such as?
>definitionally unfalsifiable usage and context
how so?
>objectively masculine in ways that would qualify me as a manmoder under that
how?
>subjective language
where?

>>40133667
I'm a manmoder
cope

Im sorry but if u LOOK over the age of 25 and calling yourself ‘boy’ thats your own business
But not mine
You are a man
If you can pass for under 25 u are a boy i guess

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/21/nx-s1-5439578/ice-detention-father-daughter-protest-immigration-department-homeland-security
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyx5yw8y28o
it's weird because i don't like Iran or Israel. the US or Russia. India of Pakistan. it's like every country with any military power is ruled over by evil demons

>>40133674
so you won't prove that or justify your claims, just like you tend to ask everyone else to?

>>40133701
am i boymoder then? im not 25 yet but i'm ugly af

>>40133709
you're objectively wrong in ways I've walked you through already but you're not accepting

>>40131750
how is this not a manmoder????

in inb4
>you're not masculine
that is LITERALLY just like you know your opinion "man"

>>40133721
but you're refusing to answer my questions when I ask you to clarify these ways in which I'm wrong, like here
>>40133667
so far I've replied to every single point you've made, if there are any that I've missed, please tell me

both of you are disagreeing with each other but are no longer making any points
both of you are throwing around shit like "objective" and "proof" and "evidence" when language has always been subjective, and thus more opinion than fact, more practice than law. maybe i'm wrong but i'm not reading all that

>>40133739
this is what I mean about the bit and being unequipped... you're like a little kid imitating someone

>>40133741
except if you go up and read you'll see that I specifically denied his attempt to engage me on such silly grounds for something so literally subjective

>>40133753
why are you insulting me and not responding to my specific questions? are you arguing in low faith and just want to hurt me?

most "boymoders" are manmoders if they start HRT after their teenage years (20+) unless they get FFS desu

>>40133777
lol please take a break, this is not personal and I'm saying that your entire approach here is completely misguided and based on comparisons of realms of things that don't actually make any sense to try and compare or assert the way you are

>your refused to answer my six one-word questions
is this the strategy where you win by forcing the other person to type until their fingers hurt more? it's easier to ask a bunch of vague questions than to answer them (or to explain why the question is flawed in the first place)
ask less questions and better questions and engage with what the other person is saying instead of demanding they change the topic back to your line of questions
>long explanation with many words
why?
>another sentence
how?
>a paragraph
>where?
>who?
>why aren't you answering?

>>40133718
If you LOOK under 25 is MY personal definition
Bc cling yourself a boy post-twink death is silly
TO ME

>>40133791
>here is completely misguided
why?
>based on comparisons of realms of things that don't actually make any sense to try and compare or assert the way you are
can you explain what you mean here?

>>40133824
that's the little kid imitation part, like trying to dissect and respond to literally every line or thought in the post verbatim in that way (something I do deliberately when I'm done with someone's shit or feeling cheeky) - it's like he's seen this pattern before and is trying to repeat it, but doesn't know how or why

>>40133835
?

I'm just a cute little boymoder ugu

>>40133843
no, I'm trying to be very specific with you, because you like to accuse people of not reading, so I want to prevent any misunderstandings
you make claims which I think are unfounded, like here,
>>40133667
you mentioned unsupported assertions, but you have neither stated what they are, nor why they are unsupported or whatever, and you expect me to just... believe you, whatever it is that you have in mind, instead of asking you to clarify?
> it's like he's seen this pattern before and is trying to repeat it, but doesn't know how or why
can you stop insulting me and engage in good faith discussion? I'm doing so because I sincerely don't believe you're a manmoder and you've asked me to clarify why I think you aren't several times in the past, now when I'm trying to do so, you end up trolling and insulting me

>>40133893
?

>>40133876
Yes u can pass for 14 years old

>>40133897
why are you doing this? why is it that when I try to engage in a good faith discussion, you end up trolling me?
maybe you're not as smart as you think you are (you are a high school dropout, after all) or you simply yourself believe in unfounded assumptions, which challenge the validity of your "identity" (manmoding), which I know is a scary thought!

>>40133952
lol
how smart do you think I think am? this is what I mean

would you have sex with this pink-haired lesbian?

>>40133937
oh yeah daddy call me your cute little boy again

>how smart do you think I think am
LITERALLY NOT SMART AT ALL

i, on the other hand, am an very stable lesbian genius!!1

see? I accidentally the whole word

>>40133978
Go do your home work, boy

would you have sex with this pink-haired lesbian ðoe

>>40133964
I think you think you're a person who challenges unfounded assumptions, unverifiable claims, but your lack of actual intellect is clear that, when you can't formulate a response, you end up just trolling people!
will you again, when some other topic arises, also continue to claim you're this and that, after having shown literally everyone here that you're not:
>challening unfounded assumptions (your own), because you refuse to respond to my challenges of them
>you are not fighting against unverifiable claims
because you state some yourself, then proceed to not respond to any critique, or, in my opinion, raise vague points that could be misinterpreted in any way, and this lack of clarity, ambiguity, is a fallacy:
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Ambiguity-Fallacy

>>40134018
brooooo stop I'm gonna piss myself I know what you're accusing me of and that is not even what the thing you just linked is

>>40134018
U ate him up sister nice work

>>40134008
can you make a pic of yourself with that pose?

>pulls up an image of Troonella on my phone
>im automatically attracted to beautiful — >i just start kissing xem
>it's like a magnet
>just kiss
>i don't even wait

actually... that fallacy is EXACTLY what you committed way back up here >>40131825 holy shit

like I know you're fucking with me, or trying really hard to, but I guess you're just not gonna explain it

>>40134026
are you going to respond to me? I am completely honest, I'm not arguing in bad faith, I want to demonstrate to you that you're wrong and I'm willing to argue for literal hours to do that

>>40134038
>I'm willing to argue for literal hours to do that
if that's true, it's really too bad that you haven't even tried to put forth a single argument for it yet

>mfw i see a cute troonjak
self-diagnosed but i'm pretty sure

>>40134037
how so?
>>40131794
I defined the general understanding here
I have no idea why you're even trying to change the definition of a manmoder, why can't you just identify as a man on estrogen?

>I want to demonstrate to you that you're wrong and I'm willing to argue for literal hours to do that
Give it up you could try for days
Lmaoooo

>>40134048
>trying to change the definition of a manmoder
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

what?

>>40134041
really? have I not done that yet when I have responded to every single point you've made, and when you're not doing that?

>>40134052
you are going by a different definition of manmoder and insisting that others follow it, when it contradicts other, commonly accepted definitions, such as
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=manmode

being a hon sucks

>>40134053
those... aren't the same thing

just like way earlier when you tried to conflate proof and context or usage, and just now when you tried again to conflate the definition itself with the context and usage of that definition, you're comparing incomparable things to try and establish justification of an assertion of a definition to try and establish justification for an unfounded claim, using unrelated realms of concepts

>>40134066
what definition am I going by and how does it contradict either the wiktionary or urbandictionary definitions?

like bro I know you're fucking with me

Substantiate da claim!

>hours fighting over a retarded term only chronically online self loathing losers use
please, please get a hobby, something to do, anything

>>40134075
>conflate proof and context or usage,
I didn't conflate them, I provided an argument as to why you asked for proof, and I don't think you responded to that argument and told me why you think it's false, yet already here you're already claiming it's false, why is that?
>conflate the definition itself with the context and usage of that definition,
I was talking about a generally accepted definition, the words "generally accepted" have everything to do with the context of that definition
and "usage" of a definition is identical to the definition itself, because the usage of a definition is defined by the definition itself, that is, you can't, with a definition of a tree, "use" it in any other ways than it is defined to be used, you can't use the definition of a tree when defining a car, except you can say that the car isn't a tree, which is exactly how, with the definition of a manmoder, you can determine whether or not someone is a manmoder
>unfounded claim,
which is?
>unrelated realms of concepts
which are?
>what definition am I going by and how does it contradict either the wiktionary or urbandictionary definitions?
I think you go by the one in OP:
>Manmoder general is the thread for AMAB MTFs who are on HRT but still live socially as men
which doesn't make any reference to the appearance of the "manmoder" in question, and it contradicts with the definitions I provided because they mentioned manmoders being "unambiguously masculine" and "have almost no chances of passing without major surgery" (urban dictionary)

>>40134108
I've been doing stuff all day offline and online lol I just always keep 4chan up on one screen

Can we argue about something else for a change?
For example why do hon moders have horrible fashion sense !?!?

>>40134119
but I literally meet the brainwormed definitions on wiktionary and urbandictionary, and that does not in any way conflict with the abbreviated gist of the definition in the OP... you're not making any sense and I'm worried for your ability to reason

>>40134134
nah this isn't hondunker general, fuck off retard

>>40134134
i dress like picrel is that bad

>>40134140
Hon dunking is fun tho
Back in the day trans girls all used to ‘read’ each other for fun

>>40134136
>but I literally meet the brainwormed definitions on wiktionary and urbandictionary,
no, see here:
>>40131877
>and that does not in any way conflict with the abbreviated gist of the definition in the OP.
it does, because the definition in the OP can include very feminine people who supposedly "live as men", while the urban dictionary defintiion doesn't,
> you're not making any sense and I'm worried for your ability to reason
insulting me again, aren't you?

>>40134145
but those aren't the same thing, and you just fucking suck as a person

>>40134147
what's your native language and how old are you? please answer honestly for a change

>>40134148
You suck as a person too!

>>40134155
are you going to respond to my points or are you going to keep going against your very own values?

>>40134144
No thats normal for gen z i’d say

>>40134155
>gets dunked on
>immediately tries to be racist
why are white 'people' like this

>>40134161
buddy... two things not conflicting doesn't mean they are identical in scope, and I've already addressed three separate times that your subjective description of me is brainwormed and inaccurate

I have a very typically masculine build and people in real life and on the internet do not regard me as anything but a man

>>40134169
how the fuck is that racist??? this idiot clearly has some linguistic processing issues and I think I might understand them better and be able to parse the underlying intent more effectively if I understood what their native tongue was

you also don't know my fucking values holy shiiiiiiiiit the assumption-based "reasoning" here is off the charts

Man, I'm envious of trans men. All they need to do to pass is be on T for a while and bind. Binding is annoying, so they get top surgery, but that's it.
It's basically required for trans women to voice train, and unless you're lucky, your frame will be big and boobs small so you'll need implants too. And laser. Often FFS because our skulls are so misshapen. More often than they need FMS. And those are all hard. People can voice train for a long time and make little progress. It's just hard. There is no womanmoder general because of it.

>>40134193
>womanmoder
interesting concept. i also feel like the stigmas see different. i don't actually feel like women have it better than men cuz feminism but i do feel like feminist have successful fought for women being able to enter male fashion and make social roles while "men's liberation" (if it even exists) has only accomplished making men more bitter, resentful, and isolated than we already were.
it's like, a man in a dress is gross and a threat
a woman in pants or a suit is just gay or invisible
but maybe i'm wrong idk
any dicks i can lick tho? so bored

idk I won't say my fashion sense is bad but the stuff I wear is p basic. like how friday my friend kept insisting for me to go to the beach with her wear a sun dress but no thanks, good ol high waist shorts are my partners for life

chuddie buddie come on and hit me with some feminist talking points or something
argue with me about something interesting instead of definitional bullcrap that's essentially meaningless

>>40134232
>instead of definitional bullcrap that's essentially meaningless
lol no, see >>40131560

>>40134193
>being a woman is harder than being a man
WOW who would thought

>>40134226
>i don't actually feel like women have it better than men cuz feminism but i do feel like feminist have successful fought for women being able to enter male fashion and make social roles while "men's liberation" (if it even exists) has only accomplished making men more bitter, resentful, and isolated than we already were.
I don't get how this relates to my comment but yeah, that stuff is usually just reactionary anti feminist content, not stuff for actually helping men. But it seems like men would rather watch videos of women getting humbled or served and hate on feminism than any sort of mutual aid.

>>40134242
Too vague. I just hate testosterone.

I'm a self hating transbian who pretends to be HSTS so he can feel better about himself and more trutrans, when in actuality he's just as AGP as any reddit hon

grow as a person. CHANGE. move on

>>40134288
I'm too ugly

stagnate. fester. regress. give in.

I didn't realize I was suppose to be a boy until the age of 14

>>40134288
>>40134295
why not a little of both?

I admit it I want to suck tranny dick and get topped by trannies

>>40134310
too bad my dick is died and I dont like using it

>>40134325
is it true if i stop beating off on hrt my dick will just all the way die?

>>40134249
because how else do you explain men being socially punished for deviating from gender norms more than women? that's how it relates. AMABs are subject to strict policing about being feminine, "running like a girl", "sounding gay", etc in childhood. and it's usually boys but masculinity is often perceived as being "for women" which is why incels will blame their insecurities vis-a-vis masculinity on women ("manlet", "chad", etc. come from this genre of thought).
why are female spaces policed but male spaces not so much? because men bad, sure, but that's also the attitude from feminists that makes many incels say sexist stuff because they feel unmasculine men are hated by society, etc. sounds ridiculous to you but many people on this site believe it unironically for "male lonliness", incels, shutins, etc.
>men would rather just be pieces of shit they choose this
i guess but that's a hostile explanation even if it's true of incels. i think there are loser males who aren't terminally online or sexist but still face these problems without much recognition. nerdy weak guys getting bullied is real idk. just listen to any /r9k/cel talk about their perspective to see what i mean, right?

>>40134267
>praxis

>>40134337
sorta? first year on hrt I didn't touch myself at all but when I tried it was difficult to get an erection and it really hurt to try

>>40134341
>because how else do you explain men being socially punished for deviating from gender norms more than women? that's how it relates.
Again I don't see how that relates. I wasn't talking about gender roles. I was complaining they just need to take T and bind to pass most of the time, whereas we need voice training, laser, FFS, often breast implants.

>>40134281
why pretend to be HSTS when you can just revel in performative self-hatred

now that WW3 is happening anyone wanna admit they have a crush on me before the nukes hit?

i'm AGAMP and i'm proud

>>40134295
red, red wiiine

>>40134296
truetroons GTFO this thread is ROGD malebrained tucute only

I can't pretend to be hsts because I hate men so much that genuinely I can't function around them, so even to lie saying that I like men would send me into a seizure or something
>erm go to therapy
no

>>40134358
that's what I'm doing
>>40134325
mine works well but I also hate my dick
ideally I would have a vagina and my tranny top girlfriend a big cock
I will try to lose my virginity to a man however

>>40134310
i would lick a tranny's dick but sucking makes me gag and buttsex is poopy eww
>>40134357
yeah, but T isn't the only reason. MTFs are seen as villains whereas FTMs are victims. MTFs have more reason to manmode than FTMs to womanmode. FTMs early in HRT might not pass right away but even if they're androgynous they're better off dressed as men than as women because feminine gender expression in clothing has a standard that punishes masculine bodily features more than male clothing requires male proportions. male stuff is supposed to be unisex, from clothing to hobbies. but men who like girly stuff are seen as creepy or weird and that's the real reason for manmoding. being an FTM and not passing sucks but FTMs are probably in more danger in the women's room than the men's if they're 50/50 passing. everyone who's androgynous is male by default

https://www.newsweek.com/trans-man-attacked-using-womens-restroom-ohio-1723432
whether you're FTM or MTF, it's always women's spaces that are "protected" and feminine presentation that's policed. even cis women will get flak if they dress cute and slutty but are really fat or hairy. meanwhile, dressing as a man, you blend in. that's my point. i agree womanmoding is less of a thing. but i'm saying it's for a social reason, not just a biological one. i'm not disagreeing i'm adding to what you said

>>40134427
you're so creepy, eww

>>40134427
I see what you mean. Being a man in women's clothes is unacceptable, hence the need to manmode, but a woman in men's clothes is somewhat okay. I guess that sucks, too.

ok but he's kind of right none of this stuff is fair and it's rooted in the biggest scam of all time (sexual dimorphism)

>>40134457

>>40134467
>you're right but it's not fair

rare moments of methy's lucidity

>its not fair that people are male and female
….

literally yes, it's bullshit

better night than expected manmoding for the family at the wedding :).

I want wings it is unfair that pigeons have wings and i dont

>>40134573
unironically yeah

i dont want to be a woman i just want to not look like a man

I want cool demon wings

If i was a female bird i 100% would be jealous of the male bird feathers desu they are so colorful and stuff
I wonder if other species think about these things…

>>40134706
you will never be a real rooster. you have no colorful plumage, your comb is too small, and you can't cockadoodledoo. you are a sad hen twisted by veterinarian growth hormone into a mockery of natures perfection.

>>40134736

im sad

>>40134762
henflationscience made my zoomer soiboi clitty leak *cums cutely*

>>40134921
Good.

>>40134541
>literally yes, it's bullshit

>>40134541
>t.

>>40134706
>If i was a female bird i 100% would be jealous of the male bird feathers desu they are so colorful and stuff
>I wonder if other species think about these things…

>>40134626
>i dont want to be a woman i just want to not look like a man

hmm

>Bear

as a moder i fantasize about hurting myself and my noose that’s like literally right there. like right there. if only i could just get to it. it’s RIGHT THEREP

portland is wild man. anyways ive never been
ive only been to eugene like 15 years ago and like newport? idk

i passed through Seattle in a bus once

>>40135317
it's not like fox news depicts it but it is full of memes

>>40135333
I lived there when I was really little, the monorail was neat

>>40134966
its true, id rather be a femboy forever, but thats a fantasy. my body is programmed to destroy itself

chuddy's real name is probably jake or some shit

im eating dosa right now

should i take hrt

>>40137256
im still eating dosa

im still loving sosa

I fucking hate men

I love men especially sexy guys and chads

every time I see a woman or a feminine guy I start seething

how do ugly people have sex with each other?

>>40137749
Hi lari:) how's everything been? Ugly people have sex the same way hot people do, don't overthink it.

>>40137749
when are you going to go on estrogen

>>40137749
Hi brother missed u

Sex with:
>june
>murph
>methy
>jynxzi

>>40137898
enjoy your stds

>>40137923
Nigga kys

>>40137923
Believe it or not i have never had std :p

I love hot men who take estrogen

Sex with loonix

happy pride

>>40137782
never, i am growing my beard
>>40137796
>>40137781
hey buddies

what does loonix look like?

>>40138035
Kind of like leon but also link

>>40138095
giwtwm

I wish I was attractive and I could have long hair without looking really ugly
when my hair grows back I'll just get a normal male haircut

>>40138095
giwtwm

>>40138110
>>40138222
Same

>decide to start injecting estrogen
>two years later
>never malefailed
wtf are the reddit hons right? do I need to wait 8 more years because puberty also "takes a long time"? or maybe I'm just self transphobic and shouldn't hate being a masculine man, because women can be masculine, women can have hair loss, women can be tall, women can have broad shoulders
wow I'm having very problematic thoughts!

>>40137004
what does that matter? I have and use a man's name, yes, because I am a man

>>40137898
ewwwwww

>>40138376
Is it jake

>>40138541

>>40138401
it's kekalot, the proud name of my warrior race