If gender critical people believe in the abolishment of gender, why do they never advocate for that belief or push for it in any kind of meaningful way? All they do is attack trans people

>>40133525 (OP)
The internet is pretty big

I would love to get rid of gendered locker rooms and bathrooms completely.

>>40133542
If you believe that then why do you have a problem with trans people using the locker rooms and rest rooms that they prefer? The gender critical movement's insistence on transphobia undermines their efforts to "abolish" gender

>>40133525 (OP)
what suggestions do you have

I'm a gender critical trans person. Trannies attack me because they need societal gender norms to validate their existence.

>>40133552
because its hypocritical to let them and not let everyone

>>40133801
"Inventing democracy was bad because they didn't immediately let people who didn't own property, women, and non-whites vote"

>>40133525 (OP)
You misunderstand. Gender critical people are only anti-gender in the sense that they think gender is a made up concept by trans people and only sex matters. That's it.

>>40134187
So they don't actually care about gender roles and just want to dunk on trannies?

>>40134246
trannies want gender roles to be as strict as humanly possible

>>40134261
Who told you that? Trannies or other terfs?

>>40134270
many many tranny hornyposts

>>40134392
And they told you what exactly?

>>40134270
trannies constantly talking about wanting to be dolls and submissive and all that

>>40134423
So? It's not like they're forcing other women to be like that. And lots of trannies don't want to be submissive as well

>>40134435
they are setting a standard
>And lots of trannies don't want to be submissive as well
lol show me one

>>40133801
No one is saying to not let everyone. In fact bathroom segregation is not really thing. Cis men go into the women's toilet when the men's stalls are occupied and vice versa.

>>40134474
>they are setting a standard
And what about cis women who want to be submissive? Do you have a problem with them?
>lol show me one
I don't have an encyclopedia of every trans person, but dominant trans people do exist

>>40134423
Something that cis women never ever do surely
>>40134474
Cis women set that standard and some trans women merely followed it

>>40134474
Futamoders
Mommymoders

>>40133525 (OP)
>abolishment
abolition
>why do they never advocate for that belief or push for it in any kind of meaningful way?
Most "gender critical" people will admit to not actually wanting to abolish gender and in fact are conservative, but even the earnest GC radfems will spend a lot of time on trannies and not on abolishing gender. It's not sincerely their primary belief, no more than Gamergate was just about ethics in gaming journalism.

>>40134485
>women want to enforce gender roles why can't we
sigh

>>40134503
Yes, that is my question. Why is it fine for cis women to do it, but not trans women? Do you have an answer or not?

omg dis pic is literally me btw
>>40133801
>i won't free my slaves because it's unfair until all slaves are freed
you're a larper there's no way TERFs are this brainrotted
>>40134261
>u want strict gender roles
no i don't. that seems to be what TERFs want. anyway, what about nonbinary people? they're pretty serious about how criticizing unnecessarily gendered stuff, and often actively work for gender-neutral spaces, names, language (incl. pronouns), and titles like Mx.

>>40134521
its not fine for either to do it, but I think trans women are more extreme and dogmatic about it

>>40134524
non binary is even more sexist than regular troons cuz ur saying simply being feminine makes you not a man anymore

>>40134491
The irony is that if they got what they wanted and got rid of all trannies, it wouldn't create a society with gender roles, it would create a world where people would be afraid to be gender non-conforming out of fear of being thought of as a tranny, which would presumably be illegal in their ideal world
This is why conservatives love terfs, they discourage and stigmatize gender non-conformity

>>40134503
>you enforce gender roles
bitch, how? when i manmode i only try to be masculine because of the social punishment of being outed as trans
when i honmode, i only try to be feminine just go not be criticized for being an ugly efforthon. and TERFs are often the first to criticize trans women for being
>>40134529
bro we know we were born male or female (& sometimes with intersex conditions). if you want to abolish gender then surely you know it's a social construct, and should be encouraging people to reject it. also, not all AMAB enbies are "feminine" (whatever you mean by that). many are just attempting to transcend their assigned gender role
you're not arguing in good faith and im constantly battling the assumption every little thing we do is super sexist because we're trans. when are you gonna bring this kind of heat against the rich old white and asian men who dominate the economy and politics and war, i.e., the actual patriarchy, which isn't some polycule in Seattle or scary-ass hon with dyed hair in the bathroom (oh my god! someone call the fucking COPS SOMEONE HELP ME!!) or whatever

also, let's be real, you're probably not actually a TERF, are you? whatever

>>40134529
>but I think trans women are more extreme and dogmatic about it
How so? Do you have any proof of this, because I don't really believe it

>>40134474
>lol show me one
Checking in here. I'm a dominant futa-moder tranny.
Gender roles are fucked, especially the "female" ones. I refuse to conform to that shit. My life as "man" wasn't bad because of the gender roles associated with it, that part was actually pretty fine. I just wanted to make my body closer to my goals and do some "transgressive" things with my appearance (like, clothes).

I'm actually gender critical as a tranny. Except, instead of you FUCKING COWARDS I believe in abolishing both sex and gender.
As long as there is any meaningful distinction between "men" and "women", whether based on sex or based on gender, then we are being oppressed. For feminism to actually succeed in the end, it is a necessary step (among other goals, but it must absolutely be one of them).
You can still keep calling yourselves "men" and "women" based on your preferences if you want. It just won't have any social force beyond pronouns and maybe some aesthetic choices, because we won't have gendered spaces or gendered assumptions and presumably we'll have a lot of tall and hairy people calling themselves "women" and vice versa.

Daily reminder feminists and feminist supporters deserve to face a firing squad

>>40134613
The distinction between sexes will always produce an observable social force "beyond aesthetics" until humans stop having sex to reproduce (not any time soon).

>>40134691
Hence the only real (and the original) abolitionist feminism was focused on technology to make biological reproduction obsolete and to remove physical sex entirely.

>>40134565
>when are you gonna bring this kind of heat against the rich old white and asian men who dominate the economy and politics and war, i.e., the actual patriarchy, which isn't some polycule in Seattle or scary-ass hon with dyed hair in the bathroom (oh my god! someone call the fucking COPS SOMEONE HELP ME!!) or whatever
it's presumptuous to say abolitionists haven't been doing this

>>40134246
They want biological sex to be an inescapable prison.

>>40134827
lol

>>40133525 (OP)
>"If gender critical people believe in the abolishment of gender"
Kuz most honestly don't

>>40134187
Ya this