AGP means that you love yourself as a woman. If you hate yourself for wanting to be female, then you can't possibly be AGP.

I do in fact hate myself for wanting to be a woman. I hate being a man more, but yes, I don't like being this kind of person.

AGP is a curse. What did I do in a past life to deserve this? At least HSTSs basically function as women anyway so it's not a big deal when they troon.

>>40144798 (OP)
i feel super guilty about buying and wearing womens underwear, i feel like im intruding whenever im in the womens clothes section
but those are just the clothes that fit my body and skin now
mens clothes are too coarse, i cant wear them
and if i dont wear a bra my chest hurts by the end of the day from all the walking and stairs
i still boymode to the best of my ability because i dont think i look like a woman

>>40145005
>>40145129
>>40146921
None of you are AGP. If you were AGP you'd be in a pretty sundress and giddy from euphoria in front of the mirror.

>>40146921
girlie, those aren't "women's underwear", by rights of you buying them, they're YOUR underwear and you said it yourself, they fit your body so there really isn't a problem.

>>40147145
doent make me feel less guilty from buying them and wearing them
i still hate that i like lacy and frilly stuff like in picrel, i stick to the plain things for now
maybe after my ba soon and srs a little after that it'll all feel less weird, when i look closer to the models

>>40144798 (OP)
very true thank you

>>40147308
Lacy frilly stuff is ego boosting, it's stylish, its expected that you're going to feel cool wearing it the same way a set of boots make you feel cool, difference being that ego boost is personal and private, and, being that it's the first thing you put on in an outfit, wouldn't it be reasonable to presume that 1st step be the most opulent?
and wouldn't it be reasonable to say that the smallest garment in your outfit say the most?
And wouldn't it be right to say that the closest garment to your body speak not only about the outfit, but also about the person wearing it especially since it's a private personal part of the ensemble?

Honestly It gives you confidence knowing every layer of your outfit can stand on it's own merits for whatever situation you find yourself in, it means you're prepared for anything!

>>40147505
a bra is a support garment to keep my tits in place so they dont get sore from moving around
my underwear is just an extra barrier between my genitals and my pants so they dont get so dirty so quick which saves on wash cycles and extends the lifespan of the garment
im not in a relationship where i have to worry about anyone but me seeing my underwear, so its all just plain cheap storebrand stuff
the plain stuff is also less visible under clothes, no outlines to deal with that would let people think im some weird pervert
i would probably feel more confident wearing just mens underwear because that's not out of place on a body like mine, but it doesnt hold everything in place quite like it used to, and how they're sewn isnt meant for my body shape anymore, and the fabrics are too coarse for my newly delicate skin

same goes for dresses or skirts, i cant have anyone seeing up the hem, even if im wearing safety shorts its not much better than them getting a view of my underwear
so i wear pants
i cant wear just shirts on their own anymore, the bra outline is too obvious, so i wear thicker sweaters and hoodies instead

>>40147565
>a bra is a support garment to keep my tits in place so they dont get sore from moving around
>my underwear is just an extra barrier between my genitals and my pants so they dont get so dirty so quick which saves on wash cycles and extends the lifespan of the garment
Thats absurdly practical of you for what should be an enjoyable exploration of fashion.

>im not in a relationship where i have to worry about anyone but me seeing my underwear
But that's precisely the point! it's self assurance that down to the smallest item of your outfit you are wrapped in a standard of style!

>no outlines to deal with that would let people think im some weird pervert
People won't think that, they'll think you're a whore which is iconic, it's fierce, it's deadly, it's powerful.

>i would probably feel more confident wearing just mens underwear because that's not out of place on a body like mine, but it doesnt hold everything in place quite like it used to
You would love yourself more if you actually wore your body to the feminine shape that it is and decorated it as such. trust.

>i cant have anyone seeing up the hem,
Yeah everyone has that anxiety but you get over it, skirts are godly in the summer, and you can just stick some coins to the inside of the hem to keep it weighed down. If you're anxious about your bulge showing just wear a dance belt and that'll sort it.

>>40147726
>should be an enjoyable exploration of fashion
maybe so, im still waiting until im more woman shaped to where it wouldnt look uncanny to an onlooker that i'm in the underwear section
>they'll think you're a whore
you're doing a really really bad job of selling this to me right now, thats the exact opposite of the image i would want to portray of a modest professional mature woman.
>If you're anxious about your bulge showing
i have tucking gaffs i know how this business works, they're much more relevant with pants than with skirts

im a freak for getting aroused by the thought of being a girl

>>40147757
it just makes you based

>>40147768
maybe if I was attractive

>>40147757
Humans are an individualistic species, we're all freaks.
Try to focus more on developing a healthy relationship with your sexuality, with AGP that means focusing more on the emotional fulfillment of female embodiment.

>>40147777
nice quads

>>40147807
>emotional fulfillment of female embodimen
what does this mean

>>40147942
AGP is a sexuality, and sexualities contain both an emotional and an erotic component. When I, an AGP, imagine being a female, something just feels happy, correct, and aesthetically fulfilling. I think AGP is fundamentally about beauty, I love the female form so much I wish to embody it.

>>40147985
I also feel this way often. but I also get turned on, which just makes me realise im fake. if to me being female is just a sexuality, then that clashes with any kind of fulfilment I'd get from that other layer of (soul?) AGP that you just described, because it invalidates it. because I wish I was truly a woman, not just a man whose sexuality entails loving oneself as a woman. even though I agree agp is about beauty, it feels more like im just a man with a muse at that point and that crushes me

>>40148009
I wouldn't be too sure about that, there is a little truth to what you're saying, but if you look into the research, AGPs have slightly feminized brains in regions like the hypothalamus.
The desire to be a woman is likely stemming from an innate femininity, but its intermingled with male heterosexuality, resulting in AGP.
Look at this:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18056697/

>>40148180
im not medically literate enough to understand what that study means, and couldn't it also imply a change caused by HRT rather than an inherent structural abnormality in the brains of AGPs? how do we even know that the subjects of this study were AGP? ik it says non homosexual but what that really means varies by the ideology of the person who says it. though I get what you are saying, there is no reason for a desire or sexuality to impact the ontological aspect of my person (from the perspective of soul, brain biology or whatever), it just feels wrong because it seems like one implies the other. although when defining femininity as an ontological category, is AGP even allowed to be part of it?

>>40148226
Brain structure is mostly determined by prenatal hormone exposure, HRT is unlikely to cause a change on such a scale. Generally in scientific literature, "non-homosexual male to female" refers to gynephilia.

I think AGP is a form of neurological androgyny. So it is somewhat feminine.

I'm like 90% sure AGP and HSTS feelings can coexist, like being bi is a thing.

>>40148375
> like being bi is a thing
Barely, tbhon
Bi flamers are virtually nonexistent and hsts are just flamers that scooted a smidge to the left of the gender spectrum

>>40148416
I'm going to say something unusual.
I don't think gender exists, but I do think that biological sex is a spectrum.

>>40148424
yeah whatevers, same diff