>be me, bi mtf, getting srs in a year
>briefly date 4 or 5 trans women over the course of years
>every single one has known i have bad bottom dysphoria
>every single one has still asked me to use my penis during sex
>meet one recently who wanted a post srs gf/a gf who wanted srs
>shes very sweet and understanding about my bottom dysphoria, knows i dont like it touched or seen at all
>wow she really gets and understands me and respects my boundaries
>we get hot and heavy
>she asks to frot
is it over if i have bottom dysphoria and want to date an mtf? no matter what nice words they say beforehand, they always pressure me to use it and it makes me want to fucking die. not even cis m chasers are this bad about it and its been every single trans woman ive dated whos been like this

>>40179471 (OP)
i never got frotting
in any case my (trans) gf never asked me to use my noodle and never questioned me using a strap on instead
she is the only trans woman ive dated tho so ive never had to deal with that

>>40179471 (OP)
deserved for dating troons

>>40179471 (OP)
Having the bottom dysphoria MtF cry about their dick is so hot and makes my trannylicious shenis ROCK HARD when I get to comfort them

>>40179494
were there any green flags cause i dont think i can take dating another trans woman like this
>>40179516
i cant really imagine cis woman are any better and cis men come with their own set of issues. trans men dont seem to ever show interest in me

>>40179542
dont date at all pre srs. for me, bottom dysphoria is so overwhelming that i cant participate in sex at all really.

>>40179566
i enjoy sex enough to have it so long as if my genitals are hidden away during it. i think theres lots of ways to have sex and penetration is just one of the ways to do so

>>40179585
i cant see myself as a woman during sex if i have a rapestick, its a mix of bottom dysphoria and also just cranking up the multiplier on my regular dysphoria. i unironically view t4t transbian stuff as two guys having sex because of how much internal dislike ive trained myself to have for transbian stuff

Omg trannies sounds so insufferable. Luckily I love men

>>40179542
we met in a therapy group (a friend of mine knew her and said we'd probably be friends) idk if that's a reliable strategy
she does DM TTRPGs as a job tho and you do have to be pretty patient to DM even one game casually
also gl on your srs! hope it goes well!

>>40179720
i had recently gotten out of a ltr with a cis man and thought id give trans women another shot since the opportunity arose. but nope, even one who wants a post srs gf and seemed very mature and understanding and respectful, was just like all the others
>>40179726
i will look for a patient gf, thank you anon. and thanks!! im going to a good surgeon so fingers crossed, its just a long wait list

>>40179726
i will look for a patient gf, thank you anon. and thanks!! im going to a good surgeon so fingers crossed, its just a long wait list

bump

>>40179542
cis women are way better and more respectful about it imo i swear other mtfs fetishize me and assume im down to do any sex act ever. never had that problem with cis women, one was cool with me pre op and also cool with me getting srs and now im 4 yrs post op and we're boutta get married

>>40181315
i guess my biggest two worries with dating cis women is the worry of them making me into their "boyfriend with tits" trope, and the fact that i dont really relate to them very well. i had a bi cis woman who had a crush on me but she had only dated men before and its not hard to put two and two together as to what she likely wanted to make me. i dont exactly pass yet either which doesnt help

>>40179471 (OP)
Frotting basically feels like being post op but with the position of the sensation moved, at least from what I've been told. If you don't like frotting you probably won't like SRS either and it's a fun way for both of you to get off before your surgery goes through. Obviously if you don't want it then we don't do it and keep waiting but that's just my 2 cents as a tranny that loves my dick and dates/talks to post/pre ops often.

>>40181523
it feels very bad bc of the psychological pain and it reminding me very overtly of having the genitals that i do, which makes me feel very embarrassed and humiliated and dysphoric. its one thing for it to be coincidental touching but outright stimulating it is awful

>>40181591
This is fine except for feeling embarrassed or humiliated. It's just a dick, half the world has one even if you hate yours, but if you said no to her when she asked and she respected this answer then I don't see what the issue is. You actually never say what the conclusion to her asking to frot was and it reads like you stopped cold midfuck to come post it.

>>40181677
>This is fine except for feeling embarrassed or humiliated. It's just a dick, half the world has one even if you hate yours
i don't know how to describe it or put it into words outside of the emotions that arise from it, and those are the emotions that arise from it. nausea as well. I guess it feels like I have the wrong genitals and it causes me massive cognitive dissonance when im reminded of having them.
>You actually never say what the conclusion to her asking to frot was and it reads like you stopped cold midfuck to come post it.
she respected it and was understanding about it, but it still felt bad and hurt she asked knowing how i felt about my genitals. ive only run into this with trans women which is why i made this thread to learn how to prevent it from happening again. i dont want to go back to dating cis men, at least not right now

>>40181728
That sucks but at least she stopped. Maybe get to know the girl beforehand instead of doing hookups where you can't discuss boundaries before sex.

>>40181744
it wasnt a hookup, it was a girl i was dating and had known for a bit. i had thought saying i have very bad bottom dysphoria and want srs would be implication enough i dont want it touched in any context

>>40181756
Then use that dating period to have a real discussion about sexual boundaries before anything happens. She can't know what you don't say.

>>40181805
i guess.
outright saying everything feels very mechanical, like im drafting up a contract for a business, when it feels obvious that someone who feels how i do wouldnt want their genitals to be involved in anything.

>>40181835
>outright saying everything feels very mechanical, like im drafting up a contract for a business
You may not like it, but that's what any relationship is. The idea that someone will read your mind and be perfect while you offer zero feedback is a fantasy that only serves to protect your ego from ever being vulnerable. It will crash and burn in practice every time like it apparently already has with the 6 different trans women that dated you.

>>40181881
its never been an issue with cis men ive dated... they hear i have bottom dysphoria and get to not touch it or ask to. if i didnt want to be vulnerable then i wouldnt say anything about having dysphoria in the first place
i think theres beauty in excitement and the unsaid, for the same reason why flirting is so enticing. there was that other anon earlier in the thread who apparently has never had a gf ask after they found out about bottom dysphoria
>like it apparently already has with the 6 different trans women that dated you
it was 4 but i get your point

>>40181881
>>40181947
also if this is who im 99% sure who this is it is nice to talk to you i missed you and im sorry for going schizo and being mean to you

>>40179471 (OP)
>>40179542
Why are you trying to date anyone other than straight men and still getting surprised that they want you to top?? You will never be able to escape this for as long as you date women or bottoms (women) or for as long as you have a rapestick...

>>40181881
>>40181947
also if this is who i think it might be, it is nice to talk to you and im sorry for going schizo on you and being mean

>>40181881
>>40181947
also if this is who i think it might be, it is nice to talk to you, i missed you and im sorry for going schizo on you and being mean

Hey thread, the ex in OP's story here. This story is an absolute fucking lie she made up after going gigaBPD on me, lashing out and breaking up and making up more lies, because I called her out for other lies and overall being a cunt towards me whenever I wasn't appeasing her.

What actually happened is that we were making out and she started grinding the dick she says she hates so much all over me and on mine through her panties, so in confusion I asked through the horniness "you don't want to frot, do you?" and she said no, then we kept making out and she sucked me off. I never asked her to frot, I asked why she was basically already frotting with me and then continued not touching or mentioning it, and she carried on without saying anything or slowing down. I never once pressured her into anything, I asked a single question and then dropped it when it got cleared up, and I would definitely have preferred her with SRS and never implied otherwise the entire time I knew her.
This kind of reversal, reordering, and greatly exaggerated victim narrative is common for her when she doesn't get her way. If you won't be bullied into believing it yourself, she'll try to bring in others to play the numbers game against you while ignoring you both as individuals. Do not get in contact with her or date her. She is very sweet on the surface but will start splitting and using insecurities to dig at you, as well as changing things she likes about you to things she now hates, and she will not give a shit when you get upset about it.

To OP, delete my contact info and leave me the fuck alone, and leave me out of whatever fucked up 4chan larps you post to pretend you're someone worthy of empathy. I'm sick of you lying TO me, let alone behind my back like this. Grow up, stop boymoding and go back to dating the kind of guys you won't stop talking about. I saw your thread about how your LoL/CS playing Trump voter rapist of an ex boyfriend was so much better than anyone you've dated too.

>>40182228
I had a suspicion it was you but I wasn't going to be a jerk to someone with a similar story unless I knew for sure. This reply let me know for sure it was you.

>>40179471 (OP)
>why are gay men treating me like a gay man?
gee. i wonder.

>>40183535
she sounds horrible i hope ur good

>>40183535
trannies don't hate their dicks they just exagerate for sympathy and validation

>>40183694
Not true. Bottom dysphoria is a real thing and I respect the struggle. Just because I don't suffer from it doesn't mean others don't.

>>40183743
dysphoria is real but when they claim that they can't even touch it or get off with it it's always a lie

>>40179471 (OP)
you need to get srs first then date
>>40181523
there is no way this is true

>nooo people are forcing me to use my dick!
just don't have sex vro

>>40179471 (OP)
I feel you. The thought of anyone touching what I have down there even accidently makes me wanna hurl. I will gladly give my partner as much oral as they want but I'll never use that thing down there for sexual purposes

I never understood. if dysphoria is so bad and your goal is to be a woman, why date other women? Especially trans women who are going through the exact same shit you are? To a lesser extent, why date cis women who are basically the epitome of all you covet and will trigger dysphoria whenever you notice something about them that you don't have?
Transbians really are an enigma and they seem to be the majority of trans women
Every trans woman I know is a lesbian at least, or fem attracted bi
Actual cursed existence

>>40183899
because they are still attracted to women

desu most transbians would rather be with a cis girl but are too autistic/malebrained/hideous to ever pull one

>>40184100
Wanting to be a gay woman sounds like some yuri influenced fetish desu
Do they actually want to be women or do they just want to be a cute lesbian like in their Japanese animes?
Seems like some cognitive dissonance to me

>>40184141
There is nothing wrong with wanting to be in a cute yuri relationship

>>40184172
I suppose do what makes you happy, but it sounds like the sexual dynamic between someone with a penis who doesn't want it used or even acknowledged and someone who wants to get fucked down isn't very healthy or fun for either party

>>40184214
what does any of that have to do with anything

>>40184280
This entire thread is about a pre-op trans woman not wanting to use her penis but everyone she's attracted to (fems) wants her to use it

>>40184299
none of that is relevant to real love

>>40183899
>why date other women
because im attracted to women
>especially trans women
because im homosexual in the sense that im attracted to sameness and think its really quite lovely when it goes well
>why date cis women who are basically the epitome of all you covet
i don't covet cis womanhood and i date cis women because im attracted to women
>and will trigger dysphoria
no they don't

its not that deep lol

>>40183757
I haven't touched mine that way in over 2 years, coinciding with when I learned to orgasm without using it. I was perfectly able to get off with it before that, but as soon as I didn't have to use it anymore, I could no longer bring myself to jerk it

>>40184528
hands free orgasm fetish

>>40184543
Call it whatever you want, but I've wanted to do it that way since I was a kid.

>>40184610
Why do people say things like that unprompted

>>40184621
Because I'm an autist with no filter

>>40179471 (OP)
you sound absolutely insufferable holy shit. seems like your exes all dodged a bullet

>>40183535
mfw i just woke up
>I asked why she was basically already frotting with me and then continued not touching or mentioning it
we were?? legitimately honest to god i didnt notice we were. i would have thought i would have felt it. all i heard was the word frotting randomly while making out
>I saw your thread about how your LoL/CS playing Trump voter rapist of an ex boyfriend
that wasnt me, ive never dated anyone who voted for trump and he didnt rape me or anyone
oh wait i know that thread, yea that wasnt me
>To OP, delete my contact info and leave me the fuck alone, and leave me out of whatever fucked up 4chan larps you post to pretend you're someone worthy of empathy. I'm sick of you lying TO me, let alone behind my back like this. Grow up, stop boymoding and go back to dating the kind of guys you won't stop talking about.
i saw you blocked me and i assume my number has been too already. ill stop boymoding when i get ffs soon but i appreciate your kindness with it and being so kind to me while i was girlmoding out with you