Why has there been so much ftfemboy hate lately? Why do they make people seethe? I think some of them are cute.

>>40201603 (OP)
Because none of them are tops :(

>>40201603 (OP)
One word.
>Jealousy.

>>40201653
Jealousy but also it’s not wrong

>>40201653
Jealousy of what? The money theyre making?

>>40201603 (OP)
Don't hate 'em but they ain't got dick

>>40201603 (OP)
Why bother to transition if you're still going to look/act/dress like a girl anyways?

>>40202365
would you tell that to the boymoders on this board though

>>40202365
because looking like a full on male is lame but a lot of other things about it isn’t

>>40202365
i dont look like a girl i look like a little twink with a fat butt wearing gym shorts
i cant speak for every ftfemboy but there are ways to be feminine relative to other men without being fully female presenting, and desu if you're naturally small/petite/feminine looking then trying to force yourself to look like a straight guy will look ridiculous. i'm not going to grow a pube neckbeard and gymmax so i can look like a dwarf. shotamoding is the future

>>40202383
No. Because boymoders are usually very low key about being trans, so them boymoding is more protective than anything. Ftfemboys are extremely open about being trans men while looking like women and making absolutely zero effort to look or be male. Truly painful to watch.
>>40202416
There are ways to look like a man that aren't boring without having to look like a chick

>>40202474
>No. Because boymoders are usually very low key about being trans, so them boymoding is more protective than anything. Ftfemboys are extremely open about being trans men while looking like women and making absolutely zero effort to look or be male. Truly painful to watch.
and why isn't it painful to watch cis femboys? what makes cis femboys any different? imo if cis men get to be femboys so do trans men, it's just logically consistent.

>>40202460
Do you top?

>>40202460
Think reading that just took 20min off my lifespan. Doubt you look like a twink. More of tomboy with frog voice. It's not a good look and it doesn't last forever before you start looking ridiculous (unlike if you put effort in)

>>40202514
yeah man actually makes me think. have not seen people shit on mtf tomboys anywhere as much as ftm femboys
almost like toxic masculinity is engrained even in the lgbt community kek

>>40202514
Cis femboys are cringe to look at too. Just less so because they aren't doing some mental gymnastics to justify falling into all the stereotypes of their agab while saying they're something different

>>40202460

>>40202528
i guarantee you, much like most reddit bisexuals, are an obese vaushite with a keyboard caked in crumbs and grease and i would never come near your greasy skid-marked butthole with a 10 foot pole. also no i do not top unless it's my boyfriend who is soooo cute and so pretty so i touch his butt sometimes becuase i like himmmm i like him hehehehehe my boyfrien d

>>40202560
>are an obese vaushite
I cannot really grow facial hair and am slim

>>40202548
Because mtf tomboys are relatively rare. Ftm femboys are dime a dozen. Feels like half the community is "uwu im still a man even though I [insert 19 female typical things here]" mtf tomboys are more low key about it. It's just how they dress and how they are instead of a trait their entire personality revolves around

>>40202530
my voice is ~100hz and i consistently pass as a gay teen boy in public. and yes i know the difference between actual passing vs cis lib pity
i'm 19 so it's not even so unbelievable for me to be neotenous, although i am very short. i imagine i'll stop passing once i'm closer to my 30s and it becomes less believable for me to be so underdeveloped but as of right now i'm fine with how i look

>>40202548
>almost like toxic masculinity is engrained even in the lgbt community kek
heteronormativity in general ends up seeping it's way into here (e.g. the stereotypes of bottoms are always fem and the stereotypes of tops are always masc leading to what is basically the answer to straight people asking "so who's the man and who's the woman in your relationship?") so I wouldn't be surprised.
>>40202551
>Cis femboys are cringe to look at too.
Okay and? who cares if they look cringe? I bet you and I look cringe as well.

>>40202557
do you see what i mean by this kind of person not being equipped for muscle and a beard? can you imagine this face and body swole and covered in facial hair?
anyways i take testosterone and don't have long blue hair so that's enough for most people irl

>>40202365
>Woman is when look, act and dress.

>>40201603 (OP)
bc most people here are mtf and it makes them jealous.
>t. am jealous

>>40202460
>shotamoding

Disgusting.

I dont hate ftmfemboys but gooners like this, mtf and ftm are never trutrans lol. If your "transition goal" is an anime trope, and a pedophilic one at that, please do us all a favour and save us the fucking secondhand embarassment by roping. Grow the fuck up. This is a disgusting thing to say as an adult fucking man.

Do whatever you want with your gender but stop fucking gooning you fucking freaks. Its weird when you sexualize paraphilias like this. You gonna "shotamode" when you're fucking 50, little dude?
What the fuck...

Reminder to hate on these types with the same disdain you'd hate a tranny rapehon calling themselves a loli

I think they are cute, better than tomboys

>>40202383
>would you tell that to the boymoders on this board though
>>40202548
>yeah man actually makes me think. have not seen people shit on mtf tomboys anywhere as much as ftm femboys
Because it's just men vs women in a woke way. Obviously man better.

>>40202587
Don't even think 30s. Sooner than that. Maybe 24 max
>>40202625
Judith butler said it right. Gender is a performance. If you're performing woman im going to assume woman ¯_(ツ)_/¯

>>40202639
Fr. Pornbrained

>>40202639
lol i didn't choose to look the way i look. i call myself that because that's this board's word for what i am. i regularly get mistaken for a young boy aged 11-14, what am i supposed to do about it?

>>40202587
do you take testosterone?
this is what i consider to be the difference between a "ftfemboy" and a theyfab/female. if yes then you can be considered a femboy. if no, you are just a foid trendhopping.

>>40202674
You chose to call yourself a pedophile term. Kindly go fuck yourself and detransition you fucking porn addict tiktok scrolling piece of shit larper. People like you are why trans rights are in the shitter.

>>40202674
bitterhon except its a theyfab... bitterfab......

>>40202612
>i take testosterone and don't have long blue hair so that's enough

>>40202694
how would my voice get down to 100hz without testosterone?
>>40202699
u mad or nah

>>40202705
ur telling me rn u dont wanna look like that?

>>40202460
>i'm not going to grow a pube neckbeard and gymmax so i can look like a dwarf.
Based for not making yourself ugly.

Crazy how tttt was whining about ftms making themselves ugly for years and now when it stopped it's not enough again.

>>40202664
You're wrong.

>>40202720
I wouldn’t consider myself a man if I did tho

Ftmfemboys are alright but it's creepy when its blatant autoandrophilia and they sexualize gay male experiences. You get the sense that a lot of these types transitioned because they wanted to be gay, and not because they actually wanted to be a man. Especially with how much they infatuate the grosser parts of the gay community like being a "twink" or "bottom" or all the uwu cutsy shit.

I just wonder what the fuck these people are gonna do when they're middle aged. For some of them, their gender may not be a fad, but their femboy sthick sure fucking is.

Being a femboy as either gender is just setting yourself up for soul destruction due to natural aging. I genuinely dont get why anyone would femboy cope, male or female. They're gonna have an inverse john50 mental breakdown when they realize they cant thirst trap after 35.

>>40202751
>They're gonna have an inverse john50 mental breakdown when they realize they cant thirst trap after 35.
Being white must suck.

>>40202710
hell if i know, sometimes voicetraining can achieve that. but anyway, based in this case, i know a dwarfpubebeardmoder irl that is 4'10 and balding at 19, it is incredibly painful to watch. meanwhile i just rep on t looking androgynous and don't gaf what am called and perceived as, as long as i don't gotta hear my deadname lol which makes him seethe at my presence.

>>40202746
i don't really care about masculinity i care about being male, eg medical transition and passing enough to get called he. being a failmale faggot is fine i just dont want to be seen as a woman

>>40202751
most of these problems are pretty easily solvable. at least for me i don't mind the thought of aging altogether but i don't want to be wrinkled or saggy. so i just use retinol and sunscreen and work out regularly so my body doesn't look like shit when i'm old. planning for a future face lift helps
like even if you prevent wrinkles you're gonna look your age, that's just how it is. i don't wanna be a forever 18yo i wanna look like i'm at a really good 60. like tilda swinton

>>40201603 (OP)
because that's just a woman you dumb motherfucker
you stupid ape

>>40202807
>being a failmale faggot is fine i just dont want to be seen as a woman

>>40202807
Maybe yeah. But like what i dont really get is the infatuation with feminine aesthetics in ftmfemboys. Like, testosterone is antithetical to that aesthetic?
85% of men experience hairloss in their life so like when you got people even in this thread talking about how they dont want to hit the gym, grow a beard, be a *man*, i just dont really get it. Testosterone is gonna give them the opposite of what they want.

I have a lot of sympathy for ftms who femboy cope as a genuine cope by takint advantage of their natural feminity while T does its thing. But when someone's full on transition goal is a "femboy"? It just makes no sense to me. You cant age into a femboy, and testosterone certainly doesnt make someone one. It expands your bones and makes you smelly and hairy and bald and want to do intense activity and eat a metric fuckton to get fuckhuge big.

I just really dont understand why someone would both transition on testosterone, but be against everything testosterone does when it comes to their transition goals. It'd be like a trans woman shaving their head and growing a beard and working out and calling themselves a mascgirl, all while taking estrotegen to explicitly hamper that goal.

Idk wordy rantpost but as a transition goal i think wanting to be a femboy is just setting yourself up for mental anguish. It makes sense as a cope, but not a goal.

>>40202807
>being a failmale faggot
This is kinda gross and icky anon. You shouldn't say that.

Ftmfemboys are stupid and annoying because their gimmick would work better for them if they never even took hormones, and they 7/10 times detroon when they mald their hair away.
The girls refusing to take T and grifting gooner losers for onlyfans money are based. The rest are just kinda retarded but not malicious or bad people. Just fucking stupid.

>>40202751
>inverse john 50 breakdown
Funniest thing I've read all day. I've been thinking that but that term for it is fucking hilarious

>>40202664
>Maybe 24 max
I'm 26 and still unusually cute. I still get carded when buying liquor at places I don't frequent.

>>40202890
>It'd be like a trans woman shaving their head and growing a beard and working out and calling themselves a mascgirl, all while taking estrotegen to explicitly hamper that goal.
You now understand what a rapehon is.

FtFemboys are the rapehons of the female sex. Their desire to transition exists outside of their internal sense of gender, and they do it to enter social spaces they'd otherwise be denied from. Like all things in life, though, its cute and admirable when its a woman doing it, and gross and icky when a man does it.

I want to have a pet ftfemboy and feed him a diet of only protein shakes and tren so he can grow big and strong

>>40202751
Indigo White femboy’d out when she hit 27 and started walling

>>40203017
>Indigo white
>Walled
Shxe looks 20?

>>40203017
She also hangs shadman artwork on her walls and pedobaits on onlyfans. Disgusting person, all around. Not much to say about her. Probably the most blatantly faketrans online figure, doing it as a marketing gimmick to appeal to pedophile whales.

Anyways check in on her at 40. She made it, at least, and will be living comfortably, but god is she gonna look like a ghoul in middle age by not choosing a lane to stick to.
If she is on T and it's not a grift (huge doubt), just wait for the norwood reaper to do its work. If she is on testosterone, she's playing russian roulette with an 85% loaded chamber, and it's gonna be sad to watch.

>>40203030
The wall is much steeper for OF egirls

>>40202890
Yes thank you for putting everything I've been thinking into words

>>40203017
>>40203030
>>40203060
>falling for a literal e-girl's canvas of makeup and anglefrauding
Ishiggydiggy kek
You know belle delphine doesn't look like that irl too, right?

>>40203060
Anon you know you can low dose or take breaks from T, right?

>>40203101
dell still cute at least

>>40203101
She definitely has her bad angles forgive the quality but yeah I agree you're a retard if you take social media influencer pictures at face value.

>>40203106
>anon you know you can just sabotage your transition, right?
??????????????
This is why these people are viewed so weirdly by other trannies lol. Imagine a trans woman saying this about estrogen.

>>40203134
Mtf trannies used to stop taking estrogen often. Zoomer tranners think male hormones continue building until you’re an 80 year old silverback gorilla, and female hormones keep you 12 forever

>>40203079
Everyone has that, I've seen 18 year old girls with that it's normal.

>>40203154
Mtf trannies did it to survive society, not for a fucking aesthetic. Fuck you.
>Zoomer tranners think male hormones continue building until you’re an 80 year old silverback gorilla
Yeah thats literally what T does lol

The effects of both male and female hormones are cumulative, and anybody who copes their transition away with the twink/femboy whatever the fuck sthick is dooming themselves to a lifetime of pain when their hormone of choice turns them into a balding man, or a woman with full on tits and ass

>>40203134
>Imagine a trans woman saying this about estrogen.
It happens.

>>40203174
lel

>>40203079
next level delusional

>>40203191
Now this but imagine a "femboy" 30 years on T is the left lol

>>40203192
Delusional about what? She simply doesn’t look like a 15 yo girl so she can’t compete in the space anymore

>>40203200
>15yo girl
You could at least pretend to not be pedophile and say 18.
Anyways I have seen 18 year old girls with that. It's normal and everyone has that.
This is your brain on anime.

>>40203198
This is what showed up when I googled 100 year old woman, for reference

This thread tackles an issue I have with all "femboy" and "twink" garbage: it's blatant pedobaiting and anyone who does it is a gross person or a huge fucking idiot.
You younger faggots wont understand but you will once you're older.

>>40203222
>autistic tranny aggressively misunderstanding the discussion

>>40203174
>dooming themselves to a lifetime of pain when their hormone of choice turns them into a balding man, or a woman with full on tits and ass
What about dylan?

>>40203231
Ephebaiting*

>>40203227
Yeah so? Anyone female identified would be happy to become an elderly woman.
The problem is when you want gender aesthetics that are antithetical to your artificial hormone profile. Like, any ftm who's genuinely scared of balding is just a little silly, at best.

I can't imagine most "femboys" being happy as balding old men. I can certainly imagine trans men being happy as old men, as can I trans women becoming old women.

>>40203254
> Anyone female identified would be happy to become an elderly woman.
kek. What year did you come from. Half the people here will kill themselves at their first wrinkle

>>40203254
>Anyone female identified would be happy to become an elderly woman
You're joking right
>Like, any ftm who's genuinely scared of balding is just a little silly, at best.
I have never meet a cis man who wants to be bald?

>>40201603 (OP)
Because a ftfemboy is just a cis woman with extra steps.

>>40203261
The world outside 4chan and terminally online spaces where people have grown up and touch grass and go to work and actually exist past age 35 and are somewhat happy with their circumstances.

There's lots of happy elderly trans people. They just dont doompost on fuckin 4chan.

>>40201603 (OP)
It's conceptually wrong and done for clout and money. People hate inauthenticity in the same way they love authenticity, or even the semblance of it.
If they actually transitioned properly and then later did femboy stuff it probably wouldn't cause so much of a reaction. It's because they're just women that don't transition that sets people off, and it's usually heteronormative coded, bringing in fans that don't like LGBT stuff.

>>40203267
You're just a gay with extra steps.

>>40203261
>>40203265
Your choices are hairless old man or grey haired old woman with sags and wrinkles.
Nobody likes being old. But everyone has an obvious preference for one lane or the other. Trans men and women want to be old men and women, respectively.

>>40203274
>done for clout and money.
>money
what's wrong with this

>>40203287
I mean when they're gooner pedobaiters like the example of indigo white posted itt, it's bad and gross and and generally harms everyone.
Nothing wrong with being a social media trans influencer in of itself, but a lot of these e-girl types are kinda just bad people.

Also if it's your sole goal, then fucking with your gender and hormones for clout and money is kinda fucking really bad for you. You shouldn't do it because it damages you longterm. This is how you give yourself gender dysphoria and end up on the foot for thousands in corrective gender affirming surgeries

>>40203287
Because when you're presenting something inauthentically like this, you're profiting off it, without any of the lived experience or issues. Introducing incentives to fake stuff can cause culture to degenerate, in a similar way that AI bros AI gen 50 slop videos a day. It makes money, more reliably than actually making content. Eventually you live in a land of slop and fake shit. Why have LGBT communities either if your chances of connecting with like-minded people dramatically plummets, but you still take all the same risks of being targeted by bigots.

>>40203283
>Your choices are hairless old man or grey haired old woman with sags and wrinkles
And both are equally fucking disgusting.

>>40203316
>I mean when they're gooner pedobaiters like the example of indigo white posted itt, it's bad and gross and and generally harms everyone.
Nta but I've never been harmed by this
>You shouldn't do it because it damages you longterm.
Just don't be unhealthy or fat. Most ftfemboys are either skinny or work out in some way.

>>40203345
If you'd rather have saggy tits over balding than take/stay on e. If you'd rather bald over saggy tits, take/stay on T.

Shrimple as. It sucks but more trannies need to realize this because it's truly the great trender filter.

>>40203348
It damages you in that it gives you gender dysphoria if its truly a grift, lol. A man taking E will get gender dysphoria and vice versa.

>>40203343
This right here.

Being gay is the new fucking goth and scene for gen Z and it's fucking annoying. I'm tired of all gay spaces being infiltrated by spicystraights and faketroons.

>>40203355
When woman ages she can possibly go bald too. I see older women who are balding all the fucking time.

>>40203379
They bald because they have elevated dht and hit menopause so their E stops acting as an androgen blocker, lol.
They wouldnt if they got hrt.

Balding is always either follicle sensitivty to the male hormone of dht, or flat out malnutrition. Either way, its much more avoidable in cis women and much more unlikely.

>>40202890
1. hair loss medication (both preventative and restorative) exists
2. shaving exists
3. skinny, feminine men exist

to be honest ive met a lot of ftms who think well i dont wanna be hairy and muscular and bald so im gonna stay female forever and it just doesnt really make sense to me because like. if a cisgender man (not a repper or a closeted trans woman) was tired of having chest hair, he wouldn't castrate himself, go on estrogen, grow tits, and live as a lady, he would just shave. you can just shave. you can just take finasteride. you can just not work out. just because you're taking testosterone doesn't mean you're being held at gunpoint and forced to be masculine. testosterone changes your sex characteristics to male, it doesn't make you obligated to fit in to what society's ideas of men are. i don't care about what men are supposed to do or look like, i care about my body being male first and pretty second. and given it's completely possible to be a pretty man as long as you have the genetics (and i do) i'm not really concerned with anything else.

i like a lot of the things testosterone does. i like my deep voice, i like my heightened sex drive, i like my energy and strength and confidence. the things that i don't care for (hairiness and sweatiness, mainly) are easily combated by a million different easily available products otc. even hair loss can be prevented or reversed

anyways, sure, some people don't have the genes to be cutesy and petite and still pass as male, but i do, so i don't care. if testosterone really instantly turned you into a massive balding silverback gorilla there would be way less ftms who are 6 years on t and still look like little pixie tomboys. their genes are their business and mine are mine. shrug emoji

>>40203420
The only hair loss medication is androgen blockers, anon.

You're taking male hormones and then blocking a substantial amount of it. It's a meme to do this.

>>40203376
Basically. It's like having a gay bar, and then you let the straight cis women in, who then bring their boyfriends, and the gays get replaced by hetero couples. Then someone asks why do you have a problem with them still calling it a gay bar just because heteros spend more?
The whole point was that it was a bar for gays. Now they have to go and make a new bar, but the bar in this case are the very concepts of LGBT. Do we really need to start making new labels because hets want to make money? Ridiculous.

>>40203420
Nobody has to conform to society. But it's annoying seeing people transition when they're not trans. The idea of a trans man who can *enjoy* being seen as feminine is fucking horrifying and dysphoria inducing. Might as well say trans people dont exist and say its a choice.

>>40203406
Blading can happen to anyone. Anyone.

>>40203420
Kek how old are you because i am seriously pressing f to doubt that you wont bald. You literally dont know if you will until you're passed away, and 85% of men bald in their lifetime.

You have the wrong idea of genetics. It's more like balding is the default of being a man, but some men have actual dogpiss genetics and have it trigger earlier than expected. But by 50? You're gonna have trouble finding a non balding man in a crowd of similarly aged people. It's more common than not.

>>40203473
Heightened DHT.
Find me a cis woman with a hormone profile screening and proof she's not anorexic.
Otherwise, all balding is caused by dht or malnutrition. This is what the science says. You prevent balding by taking androgen blockers, hrt if you're a post menopause woman or a trans woman, and eating healthy.

*some* women bald. Pretty much all elderly men bald, though.
The cis women you see balding are typically post menopause, not on post menopausal hrt, and have the hormone profile of a man.

>>40203420
>to be honest ive met a lot of ftms who think well i dont wanna be hairy and muscular and bald so im gonna stay female forever and it just doesnt really make sense to me because like.
I don't really have a choice for either. It's simply better this way.

>>40203501
>You prevent balding by taking androgen blockers, hrt if you're a post menopause woman or a trans woman, and eating healthy.
And men and ftms can prevent baldness with finasteride.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/24943-female-pattern-baldness
The hormone dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is a type of androgen. Androgens are a group of sex hormones that help people enter puberty and mature physically. Physical developments include hair growth on their face, scalp, chest, underarms and genitals. After menopause, your hormone levels drop, which may affect your DHT levels. Medical experts and researchers think that there might be a link between DHT and your hair follicles shrinking.


My trans man brothers, PLEASE do not sit here and say "well cis women bald too and if i bald ill just take ANDROGEN BLOCKERS" like what??? Those cis women are biologically trans men lol, and why the fuck are you transitioning if you're gonna fucking block the hormones you're injecting?

>>40203545
>shoot hormones
>dont like the effects
>continue to shoot them, but add a hormone blocker on top
Explain????
Dont >inb4 dht does nothing me
By the way. It's responsible for the development of secondary sex characteristics and if you block it you're nuking your transition. There's a reason bodybuilders take creatine to buff the fuck out of their dht levels.

>>40203479
no one in my family is balding, yes past 50 and yes past 70. my 80+yo grandfather had a full head of hair the last time i saw him and my dad has little to no recession. i have uncles in their 70s who haven't started balding at all. some people legitimately just don't have the male pattern baldness gene.

and again, even if i were to bald, i could just take medication and reverse it, so who cares? it's 2025 and i live in a first world country. we're not bound to our genetics. if we were, i wouldn't be a tranny at all

>>40203457
in my opinion, behavioral masculinity has nothing to do with manhood. you are either passing or you're not. and i also think that a lot of conventional ideas about what is "masculine" presentation and behavior doesn't actually align with how men, even effete gay men, behave irl. there are plenty of "masc" ftms who are spiritually female in a way that is equally disturbing as the most stereotypical hefab.

>>40203581
>like one hormone
>doesn't like another hormone that comes with it
>block specifically the unwanted hormone
such a practice is beyond anon's comprehension

>>40203545
Finasteride doesnt work. Browse /fit/ and r/tressless. It slows it, at best. Only blocks 1/3rd of dht because it doesn't have the enzymes for the other 2/3 hormone subtypes.
You gotta full on block your ability to synthesize dht from testosterone by taking dutasteride, and it's relatively permanent once you've taken enough. But then your hormones are pretty fucked for life since dht does other stuff in both genders aside from balding. Really bad for your muscles. Wouldnt recommend unless you're a trans woman.

>>40203581
you can take topical finasteride to reduce systemic hormonal effects, and also this argument is ridiculous because the two alternatives for an ftm who doesn't want to bald is 1. take testosterone and localized finasteride, chancing very mild side effects or 2. don't take testosterone at all, guaranteeing all the side effects of finasteride but 10x worse

>>40203457
People with disabilities often end up exaggerating their disability to be taken seriously. Trans people do the same with dysphoria, because you can dress up as a man or a woman whether or not you're trans and not suffer endlessly for it.
You're not wrong that fakers who bought into the "it's only social make believe" lie and appropriate trans status and care are a problem and not really trans. It's just that exaggerating it the other way doesn't help either, since that's also a make-believe version of GID.

>>40203605
DHT is responsible for muscle and bone growth and the development of bodyhair. You basically stay a twinkthing manchild forever if you block it. The only people who bald are people with genetic sensitivity to DHT, but in someone with healthy genetics it's an essential hormone for developing into a man.

>>40203231
Who cares,that's what hot and thats what people are attracted to. 25+yo boomers wish they can twinkmaxx and femboymaxx but it's over for them even with HRT. Let us enjoy our youth while we still have it

>>40203626
>You basically stay a twinkthing manchild forever if you block it
is this not the point? this thread is about femboys

>>40203631
>>40203645
It isn't cute once you're 40 unless you're tryna david bowiemaxx my dudes. It's better to be a man or a woman than a weird agender eunich in middle age, because you certainly can't be a femboy forever.
>who cares,that's what hot and thats what people are attracted to.
It's what pedophiles are attracted to, its popular online because the internet is overrun by pedophiles, and its fucking weird, creepy, and insulting to trans people to modify your gender to appeal to online pedophiles for clout/money. Grow up and be a man or a woman.

>>40203626
so then a trans man just doesn't block dht until body hair is developed?

>>40203665
I mean you're gonna stunt your skeletal and muscular growth but if you want to, do whatever you want it's your body and your money and time.

>>40203688
>I mean you're gonna stunt your skeletal and muscular growth but if you want to, do whatever you want it's your body and your money and time.
I'm confused here. Are you assuming I'm a trans man or would otherwise want to take dht? or is this the generic "you"

>>40203663
why would i want to look like the average 40 year old man and not david bowie?
>weird agender eunich in middle age
this is in fact what i want
>It's what pedophiles are attracted to
feminine grown adults do not look like children. david bowie did not look like a child. the vast majority of femboys don't look like children. and, again, being a short feminine man doesn't mean anyone who is attracted to you is a pedophile.

>insulting to trans people to modify your gender to appeal to online pedophiles for clout/money
i don't post online and i have neither clout nor an onlyfans (assuming that's what the money bit is about.) i look the way i look because 1. i like looking this way and 2. this is just my natural state because i am short, skinny, and curvy with neotenous features. you are mad at me right now because i have twink with fat butt genes. i didn't wake up one day and decide to be a twink with a fat butt. it literally is just what i look like naturally on testosterone.

i dress completely normal on a day to day basis and pass as a male but at the end of the day i am a small and effete man so i'm going to look like a femboy even in a plain t-shirt and jeans. so what? what about that is pedophilic? should i get leg lengthening surgery to satisfy you personally? lol

>>40203706
>or would otherwise want to take dht
testosterone not dht. sorry for the fuck up

>>40203645
>>40203631
>just let me live fast and die young!!! I dont care about what happens for the majority of my life!! Shutup OLD!!
Ah, youth. Would be funny if it didn't happen every generation without fail and produce a bunch of burnouts who mope at their walmart job that theyre not hot anymore and highschool was the peak of their life

No thanks only a retard would want to "femboymaxx" or whatever gobbledegook you picked up from online brainrot next week.
Jesus

>>40203706
Assumed you were a trans man, but also a general "you" for anyone looking to take androgen blockers as a trans man. I just cant fathom it.

>>40202460
holy shit you’re based, wanna talk on disc?

>>40203720
i don't have to femboymaxx i just am a femboy. like i was born with genetics that leave most of my fat distribution in my ass and hips and i am 5'2 and weigh 98 pounds. none of this is something i woke up and decided for myself. it's just what i look like.
ur acting like im some crazy pedophile trying to larp as a middle school boy when in reality i literally just dress and act normally and get mistaken for a kid not because i want to be but because i just kind of look like one. is that my fault?

>>40203727
>Assumed you were a trans man
okay well I clicked the nonbinary flag for a reason ._.
>but also a general "you" for anyone looking to take androgen blockers as a trans man I just cant fathom it.
they just block DHT after they get the desired permanent effects from it, that seems pretty fathomable to me.

>>40203711
Indigo white's market appeal is pedophiles and you're insincere if you deny this. Her posts are fucking creepy.

>>40201603 (OP)
Females cannot be femboys.
>>40203231
I'm straight you AIDS ridden queer

>>40203754
i don't know who that is and also i don't care, assuming this is some kind of streamer or onlyfans person and again: you're talking to me like i personally went out of my way to market myself as a kid or appeal to people who like teen boys. i am just a short and babyfaced 19 year old. i'm not exactly the first of my kind. also, i'm already in a relationship, so why is it my concern who is "appealed" by me? people don't exist to appeal to others. i look the way i look because that's how i look. what do you want me to do

How did this devolve into pedophilia shit? I made this thread in reference to +18 ftfemboys. I don't give a fuck if one person is making pedobait content somewhere.

>>40202321
Which makes them just yet another quirky cisf phenotype.

>>40203745
I dont know flags im sorry anon!!!!
>>40203738
I mean that's fine but like idk you're not being obnoxious thirsttrapping online as a "femboy" to a mindless horde of gooners so honestly I have no problem with you.
I would think it'd be extremely silly and a detriment to your transition to block androgens, but thats really it.

I have sympathy for people who cope with the body they were given. I have only disdain for the hordes of people online who play into the grosser parts of the gay community, though, and I'd honestly be a little suspect of any man's intentions if they hooked up with someone like you lol

Idk people can do whatever they want with their gender but when people turn their gender into a social media spectacle, it's annoying and obnoxious, and in my opinion outright harmful to the trans community. Not like its relegated to either gender too. You see similar stuff in mtfs like F1NN.
Your average random anon or irl nobody are generally cool. Social media cooks doing the >teehee im a boyyyyy
Sthick to a mountain of bipedos is just gross though.
Thats not you from what you've described.

>>40203720
>Walmart
Is this why you're so mad? Didn't take advantage of your looks while you had them? I'm already earning alot shotamoding on OF and by the time I age out of it I will have enough to retire. Everyone knows it's not sustainable for long which is why we need to take advantage of it while we can. And it's not my fault that so many people are into this look it just is what it is

>>40203800
>I dont know flags im sorry anon!!!!
that's ok anon, but for future reference you can hover over the flag with your mouse in order to get the name of the flag. Unless you're a dirty phonefag that is.

>>40203814
I graduated with a PhD while everyone in my pride uni club dropped out and now I'm a sessional lecturer working towards a full time position. I greatly prefer having careermaxx'd rather than waste my early 20s getting burnt up by bipedos like I saw happen to all my 18-20 year old gay friends. More than one of them killed themselves when they got burnt out and ended up with nothing to show for their life but the trauma of being used sexually, so yeah it annoys me to see people appeal to freaks, whether they're successful or not, because most people aren't successful with it.
People who grift using their gender are pitiable and sad if not successful, and gross bad people perpetuating a damaging cultural phenomenon for queer youth if they do happen to find success, because a bunch of idiots like you with dollarsigns in their eyes think they'll be the next belle delphine (spoiler: you wont).

It's fucking sad. It's sad and it makes me angry.

>>40203855
Nta but it's not that deep calm down

>>40202460
Have fun aging on testosterone then. Or at least enjoy your twink stage while you still can.

>>40203872
Bro accused me of working at walmart i had to traumadump him for that

>>40203872
nta but it kinda is that deep.

>>40201603 (OP)
Because women are so fucking gullible and "in grouping" in behavior that they entertain any "gender" claim as heckin' valid, my guy!

AFaBs are women unless they become transmen. Which, to most of them, is offputtingly rigid, due to their lifetime conditioning to enjoy womanly freedom.

>>40203878
do you notice how almost all of these men have terrible skin, terrible teeth, receded hairlines, and grown out beards? all of these are preventable or reversible with basic hygiene and medication or cosmetic procedures if necessary. old women who don't use sunscreen or get facelifts or treat their thinning hair look just as bad.
this is just what aging looks like when you don't take care of yourself, regardless of gender, and women are more likely to take care of themselves. people on here think estrogen is the easy way out of looking old but refuse to actually take care of their appearance.

>>40203883
This is so fucking funny im dying holy shit btfo

>>40203878
they only look bad because their beards aren't long enough

>>40203855
i feel like your issue is with the sex industry & gay hookup culture but you think the idea of a man being feminine is inherently linked to these things when u can in fact just be a femboy that doesn't fuck and suck everything with a pulse

If you have TikTok installed on your phone, you're fake trans. Simple as.

>>40203925
I mean when it comes to ftm "femboys" and all the examples posted itt are just e-girl slop, it feels relevant.
Nothing wrong with being a feminine man. "Femboy" is basically an e-girl porn category, though.

>>40203884
>>40203883
You know who the pedobaiters are... Why not just call the cops on them or something? Why are you complaining here?

>>40203936
this is probably a good test to see how many girls are looking for an identity and determine they're "NB" from some questions nearly anybody would answer likewise when framed in the way they are

bitches just looooove astrology

>>40202383
completely different.

>>40202625
literally yes. gender is a performance.

>>40204036
Biggest brain itt. If gender isn't biological then it's entirely performative and thus femboys are women.
Female brained bottoms.

if u squirt when i call u a faggot then ur a woman and all ftms love being called faggots... rlly makes u think...

>>40204028
yeah me and the other anon already determined it's toxic masculinity. you're a bit late to the convo here
>>40204056
>>40204036
gender is a set of qualia. Femboys have the gender of "man" and the gender presentation of "feminine"

>>40203878
The annoying thing about male femboys is that they're trans wome, better off on estrogen, and haven't realized it yet, and then they twinkdeath. The annoying thing about female femboys is that they want to be trans women, they're better off on estrogen and haven't realized it yet.

is there such a thing as mttomboy?

>>40204096
>qualia
Nigga i aint tryna cook eggs wtf u talking about if she makes my dick hard and meows shes a woman if i want him to pound my prostate its a man end of story

>>40204214
>Nigga i aint tryna cook eggs wtf u talking about
If you can't even take 5 seconds to look shit up I don't think it's worth seriously responding to you

>>40204239
As long as I made you mildly amused then my time was well spent typing that

>>40204214
I don't think bisexuals should be guarding the idea of "man" and "woman", lmfao

>>40204253
fair enough

>>40203878
>they fell for the HRT prevents twinkdeath meme
oof

>>40204339
Hrt doesnt prevent twinkdeath but it does turn you into a woman and if you're such a prissy bitch that your hair causes you anguish, then you were probably meant to be a woman. All the copes along that path are just to come to that realization.

>>40204036
>>40204056
Gender is fake

>>40201603 (OP)

>>40203420
Restorative hair medicine is topical blood thinners. Thats it. Blood thinners arent fun to use indefinitely.
Minoxidil sags your face and gives you bags under your eyes. A lot of people report it aging their face and making them look not as nice. It also is extremely toxic to cats, and has to be taken indefinitely, meaning you always have a scalp full of a literal drug and it feels weird. If your cat headbumps you or licks you they die.

There are really a lot of downsides to hair restoration and I dont exactly like when people say "just take medication if you bald" without knowing what it entails. Its a lifelong and cumbersome process that you cant ever stop taking care of. You should look to prevent the causes of balding before it begins if you're on T and know what T does to human hair.

Women making themselves experience twinkdeath is insanely funny to me as a cis man. They dont know what they're signing up for. You can literally only be hot as a man by getting buff at the gym. Testosterone is brutal.

Women dont get that being female is kinda the default body state until like 22 and then suddenly your whole body changes as a man and you dont even look the same in the mirror anymore. This is why they pass so easily early in transition. Adult women and young adult men look relatively similar facially. They think men look like this forever, lol. Men have a secondary puberty in adulthood thats much stronger than what cis women experience. Like, your literal entire face and body changes starting around 22 until your 30s.

It is incompatible to experience the effects of prolonged testosterone and experience any sense of "femininity." This is literally why men troon out in the first place instead of just crossdressing indefinitely. Even the most twinkish looking fucks turn into dwarfmoders over time. If being on testosterone and being "feminine" were possible, you would literally have 1/10th of the mtf trans population that you currently do.

This is why ftmfemboys make people seethe. Its like watching someone drive off a cliff and if they really want to be seen feminine its horrific to watch knowing that male puberty is no joke.

>>40203878
Vaush's before and after is brutal. Hes such a repper.

>>40205646
Yes exactly! Well put.

>>40205646
Yeah basically this. Its feels like its either really performative, or theyre making a huge mistake. Either way, its just unnerving.
Come to think of it, male femboys are kinda annoying in the same way lol.

Men already realized femboys were a gimmick and 99% of them have trooned out or grown up. All famous male femboys were trans repressors. Like always, women are late to the party and dont understand why men do the things they do and just blindly imitate.
It'll be funny once they loop around to just envying trans women en masse. They're still catching up to speed, though.