Why are so many trans people caught up in worrying about their internal identity. You guys do know you can accept how you were born and still treat your dysphoria?
Identity is such a nebulous concept, why bother spending so much time trying to be something you have no hope in ever being?

When I was growing up, we were taught you can be anything you want to be.

I think some people took that too literally, so now we have pooners, trooners, and furries.

>>40244284 (OP)
Identity isn’t internal, it’s relational. I wish midwits like you would stop trying to come up with smart sounding “gotchas” that don’t make any sense because you’re too stupid to know what the words you say actually mean

>>40244284 (OP)
What do you mean by this? So accept being your sex assigned at birth while accepting the gender you identify as?

>>40244302
Identity can be both internal and also an external negotiation between two people.
How someone else sees you is entirely up to how you present yourselves, and their own mind of which you have very little control in how they see you.
Internal identity, how you see yourself, is whatever, but no matter how you see yourself, or how others see you, you will never have been born a woman, and you never will become one, so why so much focus on it? :)

>>40244322
What I mean is that so many trans people are caught up and tied in knots over if they feel they are a woman or not, or are totally consumed by trying to become one.
I feel it is much simpler and better for your mental health if you just accept your birth, acknowledge you are as you were born.
But if you want to be seen as feminine or whatever, or you have dysphoria that needs treating do it, how others see you after that is all up to them, and luck I guess

>>40244326
More midwit babble. How you’re perceived is not entirely up to your presentation, but a whole schema of cultural biases that mediate perception and presentation. This includes your own self perception. Nobody suddenly arrives at their gender identity from purely internal gazing. And never having been born a woman is meaningless in the context of dysphorics who identity with a cache of gendered symbols they are gate kept from because of their biology. This is literally just pseud posturing to attack trans people

>>40244370
It's true, it's true
Nonbinaries wouldn't exist without young women being raised as women and given access to TikTok

>>40244360
So you want them to be dickgirls who identify as male verbally but also as women internally and physically?

Let me guess... you are cis?

>>40244370
I'm not attacking anyone, I'm asking questions.
Never being born a woman is far from meaningless, it is your entire biology, your physical connection to this world. Trying so hard to twist your brain into seeing yourself as something you are not, why not learn to love being the gender you were born as? However you want to present yourself after is a different story.
I for example accept I'm a male, and yet I still have strong dysphoria, so I got on hrt and now pass as a woman and the dysphoria is lessened, I can live well without this being an issue in my head. This does not change the fact that I'm a male though.

>>40244425
>pass as a woman
Pass as a transwoman, probably
People know the uniform.

>>40244425
That's what you do, you accept you were born as male but embracing it and passing as a woman is pretty terrific too.

I don't get the identity shit either, but you do kinda need a little bit of it just to make sure transitioning is actually what you want to do.

>>40244430
You don't know me or my life, but I'm completely stealth irl, I got very lucky. Probably helped being raised solely by women.

>>40244447
*embracing your trannyness, obviously not the male part lolol

>>40244447
I think you should get on hrt if you are 18-25 if you suffer with dysphoria, I feel at least for me that the feelings of gender dysphoria are completely seperate form how I indentify

>>40244447
wait your a tranny too, shit i guess i am just the exact same as you then

>>40244482
yeah im kind of excited to get on it, practical considerations put that around Next January or Febuary for me. I still don't feel entirely like a woman, but living as one and looking (mostly) like one sounds better than being a man.

>>40244494
If that is what will treat your dysphoria then great, good luck, and I hope you turn out ok :)

>>40244449
>I know what people are thinking!!
Don't be so sure, lmao
People are polite

>>40244504
Yes people can be polite, but a lot are not, and I have not been misgendered while out in public in over 6 years...
I'm just reacting to experience

Not that I would care if someone did gender me male

>>40244503
Its so retarded how mine worked. It was so weak through my adolescence so I didn't think I was a tranny beyond some minor suspicion (kind of didn't want to entertain the thought since I diden't want to be like Mr Garrison or something), but I kind of have the femboy look and I wanted to make money and seeing myself in a dress freaked me out so I crossed the event horizon, now all my worldlines point towards transitioning.

>>40244370
>in the context of dysphorics who identity with a cache of gendered symbols they are gate kept from because of their biology
oh so it's not just external then is it, you are just a triggered tranny calling others stupid because you don't want to challenege the assumptions your identity is built on

>>40244529
It is crazy how differently feelings of dysphoria can present themselves in people. I was always girly growing up, but I did not start to get really hit with dysphoria till I was about 15

>>40244284 (OP)
identity is pointless is a trvke actually, but it means that you shouldnt try to fit a specific image. ultimately dont be a freak, but realise that maybe youre better off not being a full on tranny

>>40244587
I liked girly things in private, but I liked being seen as a man (I am too autistic to be any good at that but I tried). Now I just realized I could have been having way more fun if I was a gigafag the entire time.

>>40244494
>>40244482
also huge trvth nukes, you can realise that transition might be for the best even if ur identity isn’t sorted yet

>>40244604
Just need to be yourself and choose to be either presentable looking as a guy or a girl, if you would not pass as the opposite gender it is your duty to look after yourself and not go down that path if being a clocky tranny would ruin your life

>>40244608
well, not that I LIKED it. I just really wanted to be a "normal guy" because thats what I was supposed to be lole

>>40244608
for me it's not about fun, it's about peace and a healthy mind

>>40244637
In my case, I had this whole side I kept to myself and now I get to embrace it, so that's pretty fun. I think repressing it was depressing me, but I guess I just like wording things positively.

>>40244625
exactly, ultimately looking good as the undesired gender is better than being ugly as the desired gender, its more complicated in the middle ground ofc but we should be pragmatic about transition

>>40244673
When you are dealing with something that could ruin your life, or benefit it immeasurably, being pragmatic is always a good shout!

>>40244449
You certainly seem as retarded as woman generally are, so maybe you're on to something, my dude.

>>40245464
Damn, sexist much