Thread 40254409

why are AGPs are viewed like filthy subhuman in this board? (and in the general LGBT movement)? if you transition because it arouses you, is as any good excuse as disphoria. whysuffer to be a tranny when you can enjoy it?

>>40254409 (OP)
Because you are a filthy subhuman and the woman in this drawing looks like a worm

>>40254409 (OP)
I view you as a subhuman because you're a bottom and that's how you enjoy it
and I want you to enjoy it (my dick)

>>40254470
i think she looks cute

>>40254490
sorry this was meant for
>>40254449

>>40254470
i am actually a bottom and a top

>>40254524
you don't get to top when you look that cute
you don't get to top when your ass looks like >>40254409 (OP) this

>>40254409 (OP)
I need an agp mtf gf.

>>40254576
nnngh dont say stuff like this i'll moan

>>40254589
hello:3

>>40254640
>i'll moan
you better
when I hotdog that cute ass, when I smack it..
when I caress your neck from behind and tell you how good you are..
you better

>>40254653
Hi! Do you have discord?

>>40254691
yeah, but i prefer if you drop yours...

>>40254738
Discord: lauernderbrent

>>40254680
i am in your knees and hard rock just for reading what you wrote

>>40254490
i see a penis tip here MODS!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>40254409 (OP)
Abrahamic ethics dictate that suffering is the point of life and anything you enjoy is sinful. There has never been a greater cucking of the human race.

>>40254744
too many grammatical errors for me to take seriously
hope that was your intent

>>40254409 (OP)
a transition based on lust is illegitimate because you seek to possess womanhood like a man seeks to possess a wife.
Which is to say:
you seek womanhood in service to your male desires which roots the AGP's existence in maleness and makes the whole affair a man's affair, which plays contrary to what transfeminine transition is and that's an emphasis of the Woman, wherein the naturally occurring feminine elements of the individual are announced and amplified as the main basis for that person's being.

>>40254795
AGPs often do have a well developed Jungian anima, embodying both the desirer and the object of desire is why they are based Nietzscheans. But both of our lines of reasoning are impractical and out of touch when you just want a perpetual jerk machine and to not want to die all the time

>>40254795
i dont do such mental gymnastics. less for something i enjoy almost like an instint. if you can't avoid dysphoria you can't avoid AGP. the fact that womanhood is viewed as a male desire and this being AGP is like being ultimately a man is rooted on transphobia

>>40254825
It renews to me all the time. but that hasnt bothered me just yet

>>40254409 (OP)
Because while in fiction they are portrayed like this >>40254490 >>40254640 >>40254738
In reality they look like this:

>>40254409 (OP)
Don’t take this board seriously and just live your life senpai

>>40254795
> an emphasis of the Woman, wherein the naturally occurring feminine elements of the individual are announced and amplified as the main basis for that person's being.
beautiful, thank you for writing that!

>>40254795
Who are you to say what is a legitimate reason or not? All your moral judgements wrt AGP are just arbitrary feelings, not objective truth.

Furthermore, there is no way you can determine whether one ought to transition or not based on their internal feelings without jumping the is-ought gap. It is a subjective judgement.

Because AGPs are women stuck in gross male bodies. Cis women are AGP as fuck too

>>40256791
Misunderstanding of AGP.
AGPs are men trapped in men's bodies, who want to be men trapped in women's bodies.

>>40256808
Just because a woman has male socialisation doesn't make her a man

>>40256829
True, "men trapped in women's bodies" isn't literally correct here, but AGPs are masculine people, who in their ideal lives, would occupy a female body.

>>40256791
hi i kinda both agree and disagree to the premise that cissies are agp too, i have read through a paper about this and yapped out my thoughts here, hope this helps: >>40255645

>>40256841
How would you distinguish AGPs if they were given a cis female body?
>>40256844
Most people think AGP means presence of any feminine sexuality in gnc people

>>40256883
>How would you distinguish AGPs if they were given a cis female body?
An autosexual erotic and romantic desire to be female (now fulfilled).

>>40256883
>most people think AGP means something something
AGP as defined by Blanchard seems to be a way different thing from what anons assume AGP to be. But let's be real, Blanchard is kinda stupid, first bc he thinks that trannies are only about sex and also bc in psychology you rarely get a legitimate typology that separates things into rigid categories without in-between options.

That being said, I would propose my own definition of AGP:
Autogynephilia is a fetish, in some cases a paraphilia, characterized by arousal coming from being feminine or performing femininity.

Let me describe an example:
A woman without AGP might enjoy wearing lingerie because it makes her feel more comfortable, attractive or validated during sex, but wearing lingerie in itself won't cause any arousal, other stimuli would be needed to arouse her. A woman with AGP may get aroused just by wearing lingerie and looking at herself in a mirror.

Yoo she look like a worm

>>40254409 (OP)
Real AGPs want to be real women, not cosmetically altered freaks. This is why trooning out because of AGP doesn't make any sense.

>>40257801
This, I'm a cis AGP and current technology is woefully inadequate.
I do look forward to BCI advances though, maybe when high resolution models are available to the consumer, I will experiment.

>jannies purged all inages despite them being only slightly suggestive
literally AGPhobic

>>40257932
I don't think technology like this is even possible, it would be as opposing of the laws of nature as reincarnation, and it wouldn't be developed for the benefit of some NEETs but used in exchange of further enslaving those subject of it, like with smartphones.

>>40257986
As long as the mainstream LGBT community accepts gender theory and rejects Blanchard's typology, AGPphobia will go unopposed.

>>40258161
>I don't think technology like this is even possible, it would be as opposing of the laws of nature as reincarnation
Where do you actually place the goalposts?

>>40258524
I place them around the fact that no technology exists that can change biological sex.

>>40258573
Okay, but what would it require to change biological sex, by your standards?

>>40258599
I don't know, it's like asking what's after the end of the Universe. It has nothing to do with anyone's particular standards but with objective facts. Maybe you should look up the scientific definition of sex instead of the queer theory one, I think that's where most trannies' confusions stem from.

>>40258681
I don't subscribe to "queer theory".
I'll say this, suppose you're male, and you take your brain and transplant it into a gynoid body, I would consider you female from then on.
I define sex as a hardware configuration.

>>40258710
>I'll say this, suppose you're male, and you take your brain and transplant it into a gynoid body
This is pure fantasy since brains can't be transplanted, an organism is not a set of lego pieces.

>>40258710
And even if we entertain the possibility, the body wouldn't be his, he would be piloting someone else's body with different DNA, and if he were to reproduce, it would be the original female who lost the brain and not the owner of the current brain who would.

>>40254409 (OP)
Autosexuality could be perceived as a bit antisocial

>>40258751
Brains can't be transplanted *today*, but they almost certainly will be in future. It has been possible to give life support to dog heads since the 50s.
>>40258823
My example was a gynoid, a female android.
But in your example, if the original owner consensually gave her body to the transplantee, then the body would be "his" (more accurately "hers" at this point).

>>40258963
Androids can't be female much like the Mona Lisa painting can't be female or the David statue can't be male, because objects are not life beings.
An organism can't belong to another for the sake of being their source of identity, you can make it legal, but not real. Real identity comes from ones' DNA.
Again, the problem comes from not understanding the scientific definition of sex, of life being and of species, and how it all works together the way it does.

>>40259155
>life being
The term in English is life form, my bad

>>40254795
what if you seek to possess womanhood by announcing and amplifying the naturally occurring feminine elements

>>40259155
True in a biological sense, but this sort of technology renders the concept of sex irrelevant at best. People stop being male and female, and start being degrees of masculine and feminine.

>>40259323
Being male or female is not a choice, it is a fact. Biology is the way it is and it will stay that way even if pretend to be something else.

>>40259348
But if you put your brain in a non-biological body, biology becomes less relevant.

>>40259361
If you put you brain in a machine, it will die and decompose back to inorganic matter, that would be a way to make it less biologically relevant unless it were to be consumed by a plant.

>>40254409 (OP)
idc as long as you don't let people trivialize how important transition is for some people medically