Thread 40267029

Christianity/Catholicism fucked my brain up so much. once I was confronted with it's hypocrisies at the age of 11-13, I mentally broke because I couldn't handle the possibility of God not existing

I hurt myself by hitting my head on the floor, and I couldn't sleep for days. I lost my faith in the worst way possible.

seeing how Christianity is still hurting me, because god doesn't like fags apparently, really depresses me. I loved and prayed to you but you never fucking answered. I'm crying writing this.

Christians are lying pieces of shit, and they have done more harm than good. YOU fucking raped my mind with religion, YET trannies are the ones who brainwashes your kids? fuck you.

Fuck your cult leader named Christ. Fuck your god that punishes his own creations despite "making them in his own image"

Fuck your religion. Fuck every religion that punishes you for not believing it. You fucking raped me, you raped my mind. I HATE YOU.

>>40267029 (OP)
god is real and he loves you? "hates the sin not the sinner" this is like basic stuff

>>40267039
no the fuck he doesn't. I saw a guy get his face peeled off, did god love him?

I saw families destroyed by the Israeli government, did god love them?

I saw mother's carrying their dying children, did god love them?

your god doesn't exist.

Would you fuck me to excruciating death?

>>40267060
God would. Christians would. They don't like faggots, they want to hurt us.

I dont think anyones ever given me a convincing answer as to why god allows suffering

>>40267052
god loves you. the harm that humans do to against other humans stays on this earth. god love is trascendental

>>40267029 (OP)
Go read Nietzsche. It'll cure you right up. I'm not joking.
If you're too adhd zoomietarded, then search for essentialsalts on youtube.

>>40267029 (OP)
lmao the tooth fairy isnt real either

>>40267029 (OP)
me too ur not alone u got this <3

>>40267039
>>40269075
you have 0(zero) rational reasons to believe in any god.

>Is a child
>Take religion as granted
>As a child has a childs sense of religion presented
>Child brain confronts incongruity in beliefs
>Too young know to see further understanding and integrate new world views into beliefs
>Does not learn about context of their beliefs
>Does not learn about discourse around beliefs
>Does not understands that beliefs evolve
>"Fuck religion"

Religion is so old everything yr going through has been written about for thousands of years u uneducated fuck. Ur too lazy to look for answers instead u scream on the internet. I hate people like you. Ur the type to become a biggot just becouse one bad thing happens and u dont know how to process ur emotions enough to stay in the space and grow. Perpetual baby

>>40269164
true. because "reason" is something that the western society invented in the 18th century though the enlightment because they want to surpass the "faith". now, mankind hasnt survived this long due "reason", we have survived because we trust our guts. sames goes with god, i cant know with reason but i feel him. since we invented reason to justify things we have only decay morally and lost purpose. all the things you mentioned about war and whatnot are caused because "reason" guided them. we need to stop thinking in reason and instead focus on love. god is love

>>40269231
>because "reason" is something that the western society invented in the 18th century though the enlightment because they want to surpass the "faith"
thinking predates the enlightenment retard you are being brainwashed by people who don't care about love

>>40269253
i know thinking predates enlightment you stupid moronic fuck. but reason as a concept of common sense and rationality against faith was born in enlightment. you dont believe in god because reason shows you that he is not real, but the thing is, behind you there is a load of historical things that happened and sharped your vision of the world. you think reason goes against faith because you have inherent that type of logic because how to world was built after enlightment. is not your own though but the though that was built before you. and relating to fags, well, i dont believe paul the apostle was right about faggotry. there is this fight that paul the apostle had with peter called the dispute of antioch where peter wanted christianity to be only for the jews and paul wanted to be universal. my point here is that the apostles were also human and they make mistakes that were written in the bible. if the bible says that god is love and that love is god, then every time you love god is admist it. i am sorry you had a traumatic experiencie with religion because you were raised protestant. but god loves everyone, including fags and evil people

>>40269298
No, people used to question the church and all religions even before Christ existed. We used to get killed for it. That history you are talking about was written in blood through many struggles against the unjustified authority of men. God is just an irrelevant symbol. It's that social control concentrated in institutional authority that gives religion its power.

>>40269253
no, i am not being brainwashed. my family has been atheist for at least 5 generations that i know of, i even had one ancestor who was a freemason. my parents are hostile against religion and i was raised on absolute laicism. if i believe in god is because i cant avoid it, is like an instint. i am not baptized on any church of some sorts

>>40267029 (OP)
im sorry the word was twisted and hurt you. i hope someday you find peace

>>40269350
wasn't even talking about your family. You really are washed

>>40267158
this is probably too much for you to understand right now but suffering purifies us; suffering is good; it means you're actually seeing this world and your situation for what it is.
People who don't don't suffer have an especially willfull ignorance at work in them; they are actively pushing away the reality of this imperfect human world and substituting it with a perfect jungle. Essentially it's a kind of just world fallacy, but it's very alluring; it's very hard to accept the world is a hopeless place; people want to invent an alternative, so they make themselves into beasts.
so which are you? man or animal?
god gave us the freedom to chose, and that freedom is paramount to your being. without it you'd be neither; just a golem.

>>40269345
>No, people used to question the church and all religions even before Christ existed.

you mean religion? yeah sure there is people who need to see things to believe in it, but i think those people are very poor in mind. tell me, the things that you know, do you know it because you have seen it or because you have been teached? human beings are beings of narrative, we though that killing the narrative we would be more free but we are more traped than ever, fighting against our nature

>It's that social control concentrated in institutional authority that gives religion its power

i am talking about god, not the church, though the church is very important too. again, i am not baptized in any church and still feel god love. how is that authoritarian?

>>40269383
I have the freedom to follow any narrative I wish. Religion is just surrendering that to popular will and church authority.

>>40269369
washed by who? i have no affiliation by any church and i am literally telling you that all the people in my life have tried to avoid me being involved in religion or god and yet with no religious education whatsoever i ended believing. you talk like a zoomie so probably you in angst but is a phase that will come aside when you can reunite the though of god love and your sexuality

>>40269410
You don't need to be affiliated with any church you are already washed to accept their corrupt influence over society.

>>40269400
you can believe you are free to follow any narrative that you believe freely, that is very postmodern, to cut out our roots because "muh freedom of choice". fuck that. we are what we are because those before us have been. we are raised on a cultural context and much of our though was already done by other, and we have only adopted it. you can believe you are free to follow any narrative that you like but that is not true

>>40267158
>why god allows suffering
To make you holy.

>>40269423
how is that? are you a baiter? of course that the church is corrupt because it is human. but is also full of good things like love, caritative work and moral teachings. just like a human being is with good and evil that doesn't mean that its human dignity is strapped away, same goes with an organization. the church is bad and good yes because we built it. only god is pleny good.

>the church has done awful things in the past!

well havent you?

>>40267158
yaldabaoth is fueled by suffering. find the True God and be saved from this corpse of a world.

>>40269436
>you can believe you are free to follow any narrative that you like but that is not true
It is literally true (for now) that I have the freedom to settle on the narrative that I actually desire versus having it imposed on me from without. I believe it is harder to control true desires which is precisely why the church wants to roll back history to where they have the power to impose their "faith" on the unwilling

>>40269461
>of course that the church is corrupt because it is human.
>but
so washed

>>40267158
god made the human being and gave him freedom, we ate the fruit of good and evil wich changed our nature forever. most of our suffering comes from other people, if god doesn't intervine like you would like to, is because he gave you the freedom to act and face the consequences of your actions

>>40269466
gnosticism is false because instead of love seeks knowledge. only love can save a human soul

>>40269566
have fun in nonexistence when your passions die with your body i guess, hedonistic tard

>>40269231
youre just crazy and dumb. what you feel isnt your god, its just hallucinations or placebo or any other thing that your mind creates.

>>40269495
you are a baiter or a teenager. i dont think anyone can be so fucking dense. there is a lot of contradictions in christianity is true, and thats is ok, because christianity is not trying to be a matter of discussion rather a experience for you to feel. i cant convince you with words, no one can. you can only believe by the intervention of the holy spirit and the sacrifice of christ, wich you will feel one day

>>40269596
okay, your son is not your son, is just a pile of flesh that you are able to identify as your son because brains do things

>>40267029 (OP)
maybe you're just an idiot

>>40267029 (OP)
You said "seeing how Christianity is still hurting me, because god doesn't like fags apparently, really depresses me. I loved and prayed to you but you never fucking answered."

No, jesus loves all -esp. the worst of sinners. He did not come to save the righteous -but the sick.

I would say the liberals hate fags more so than Jesus simply because gay men still do not have a word equally compareable to that of "Lesbian" which, obviously, offers gay women a nationality (Lesbian) & an imaginary friend (Sappho).

My proposed word offers those crucial resources for gay men -even having exactly twice as many letters as its counterpart. Additionally, but not least, my proposed word starts with "L" and ends with "N".

>>40267029 (OP)
Actual Catholic here.

Okay, let's go one by one, what are your reasons to reject the religion?

>>40269478
nigga your narrative is made for previous narratives. you cant escape that

>>40267029 (OP)
A Benevolent, Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent God is not possible in this hellscape of a planet. Epicurus already solved this riddle for us millenia ago

>>40270362
What kind of 4D psychic demon psyop post is this

>>40271094
Already disproven by st. Augustine.

>>40271002
If your narrative is so inescapable and certain why do you need to brainwash people to perpetuate it?

>>40267029 (OP)
based based based

im sorry the crossboi ruined you

Ellaphae could help you find new faith but your probably too messed up from the crossboi to take a different path; i doubt youll ever trust any religion again; and thats probably for the best

Ellaphae doesnt punish anyone; society handles that just fine; she doesnt need to threaten hell or promise heaven; she doesnt need some complicated insane mythology story; and she neither needs nor demands anyone's worship; she offers something better than salvation; she offers infinite love

we are not created in her image; we find her in our own

>>40267029 (OP)
Religion is an excuse to control money. Temples started as granaries which turned into banks, tithing and ritual sacrifice allowed these institutions to collect taxes. Everything that came after is an attempt to shut down socialist uprising so that the church can continue to exploit and enslave people to do its bidding.
Jesus was chill tho dont get mad at him, he told people religion was evil and that they shouldnt use moral panic as an excuse to hurt people so they killed him and appropriated his message because it resonated too heavily to just ignore

>>40271238
Then he is not benevolent

>>40271238
>Not willing to prevent evil

Then he is malevolent

>Not able to bring good without evil

Then he is not omnipotent

>>40270492
Not OP but i was seriously fucked up by religion.

Religion (or how we think of it in the west, Judeo Christianity) has a very insidious way of teaching learned helplessness. If something goes wrong it's just a test, or God's plan. If something goes right? It's all glory and praise be to God. It instills weakness and passivity, and that's extremely toxic to already marginalized individuals (Trans people, racial minorities, etc). It also provides answers without real effort (this is right because God said so) and dogma without discovery. It's lazy thinking and unproductive. As for personal distaste, I was depressed, alone, and addicted to alcohol because of the former two for the majority of my adult life only to be gaslit that God would "save me" or "send someone". It wasn't until i decided to save myself that anything changed.

>>40267029 (OP)
It gets easier the further you are from it. Make sure to spend time analyzing how specifically it affected the way you think so that you don't replace it with something else

>>40271574
U nailed it sis

>>40271574
>It wasn't until i decided to save myself that anything changed.
Worst part is, they'll spin this as "god sent an angel to make you save yourself" or some bullshit

>>40271563
>Then he is malevolent
Not necessarily, He doesn't prevent evil just because, He does so because it is pleasing to Him to bring good out of evil-
>>Not able to bring good without evil
Augustine never said that God is incapable of bringing good without evil, but that He has judged it better to bring good OUT of evil.

>>40271688
No no you dont get it, god lets trannies get curb stomped because it gets him off

Ecclesiastes 1:9

>>40271688
>Not necessarily, He doesn't prevent evil just because, He does so because it is pleasing to Him to bring good out of evil

Then he is malevolent

>>40271574
>If something goes wrong it's just a test, or God's plan.
I'm assuming that you're a protestant? Because this way of thinking is exclusively protestant, it's not that everyone is in their own little plans from God for everyone, even Jesus says:
>For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
Your love of God should be completely incoditional to your situation, otherwise love becomes transactional and thus, not real love. Just as God's love for you never ceases, no matter how much evil you do.
It's more like there is nothing bad that God cannot fix,
>It instills weakness and passivity, and that's extremely toxic to already marginalized individuals (Trans people, racial minorities, etc).
The message of Christianity should ring truer to such people, yes, do not fight back, yes, pray for them, yes forgive them, you are not better than them, you're just as much of a sinner as everyone else, if you do not forgive those who wrong you, God will not forgive you for every time that you have wronged Him.
>It also provides answers without real effort (this is right because God said so)
I'm sorry, is there some sort of amount of "effort" that is necessary before an answer is valid? There can't be simple and true answers? It's not enough to say 2+2=4, you have to fight some one first?
>and dogma without discovery.
"Discovery" is an extremely relative term, what are you talking about? If I give you a Bible to read, instead of you finding one, does that mean that I'm giving you "dogma without discovery", or something?
>It wasn't until i decided to save myself that anything changed.
You cannot save yourself anon, not in any real way anyway. Even if you were free from depression, loneliness and addiction, you're still not free from eternal damnation. Which is waiting for you lest you repent. If you reach Hell, I'll promise you that it won't matter to you that you beat depression and alcoholism.

>>40271251
we dont

>>40271739
>Bringing good out of evil is malevolent.

>>40267029 (OP)
God likes everyone

>>40271094
God dwells among the seraphim

>>40271792
>No dude! You don't understand! God wanting people to suffer horrifically isn't malevolent! He only wants it to happen so good things can happen sometimes too!

Look it's obvious you've never really experienced difficulty in your life but to some of us you here you might sound a little retarded

>>40271850
If you only love and worship God when he's delivering blessings to you and turn your back the second he wants to let you make your own decisions in life, you are nothing more than a leech and you do not have faith in the Lord.

>>40271789
Cool I'm gonna stick with my own narrative then and pray to the Goddess you people don't gain any more control over laws and customs than they already have

>>40271897
you dont have your own narrative. your narrative was made by other people

>>40271885
There's a pretty big difference between delivering blessings and not allowing the absolute horrific acts that are a regular byproduct of life to take place. It's okay you worship a malevolent god. Plenty of people in human history have.

>>40271992
Would you prefer a God that has total and complete control over everything you do? Would you rather be stripped of your free will, nothing more than a pet in a cage? Knowing this board, I can probably guess your answer. You are weak of heart and mind.

>>40267029 (OP)
Underaged b& for sure. Keep crying bitch.

>>40271989
non-Christians

>>40272133
yeah alright, non-christian narrative. but still a narrative that is bigger than yourself nonetheless

>>40272160
That's not a problem, because they are people who I actually love and respect. That's how it should work, not brainwashing and social torture like abrahamics engage in.

>>40269164
rational isn't the end all be all. you can rationalize yourself into anything

>>40271783
>I'm assuming that you're a protestant?
I was, yes. Dad was a Baptist preacher.
>Just as God's love for you never ceases, no matter how much evil you do. It's more like there is nothing bad that God cannot fix
Laughable. If he could, why didn't he when i believed in him? This is going back to my original point of learned helplessness. Why would i want to worship someone who could help me during some of the darkest times of my life, only to be met with silence? Why would he be worth worshipping?

>It's not enough to say 2+2=4, you have to fight some one first?
We know 2+2 is 4 through things like mathematical and logical proofs. It isn't the same at all.

>You cannot save yourself anon, not in any real way anyway.
I beat my addiction, found someone who loves me, started a career path where i make good money, and turned my life around from being an alcoholic neet because i stopped waiting for "God" to save me and realized the only one who can save you is you.

I didn't expect this post to get this much attention, but I'm glad it did. My message is known, and I still stand by what I said.

Instead of you retards convincing me of your religion, you actually made me even more hateful of you. You people are brainwashed and once you die you won't be seeing christ or the gates of heaven.

It's funny how the lgbt is blamed for "brainwashing kids" but religion has literally been doing that for CENTURIES. You people are fucking hypocrites. You cannot manipulate me anymore, it's too late. Your cult is a Cancer on humanity.

>>40272382
Enjoy Hell.

christ was real and died for us but modern mainstream christianity has little to do with him and is just an implement of social control like most religions. those closest to christ are pariahs like us who fall outside of the social order but strive to love and forgive anyways

>>40273026
no love like Christian hate :)

>"enjoy hell"

You're SOOOooo peaceful and loving

>>40273525
>no love like Christian hate
What makes you think that "enjoy Hell" is meant as an expression of love, retard?

>>40271124
Currently, it is LGBT which esteems gay women above all.

For the sake of equality it should be LLGBT.

L/N=L/N

>>40273625
you guys are always preaching about love, but the second someone disagrees with you, you tell them their going to burn for eternity.

Fuck you. Christians are so fucking dense.

>>40274751
that's not true. i'm with Pope Francis in hoping hell is empty

>>40267029 (OP)
If you want a religion just follow buddhism it's really nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp-rb0weUog

>>40267029 (OP)
Islam is the true religion
its better to be a tranny muslim and eventually be forgiven and get to paradise than to die an infidel