Thread 40299061

So, tranners... I read this book

I am so disappointed in all of your movement. I could never have imagined the extent of total TRA depravity before reading this book

The autogynephilia part was completely shocking and repulsive. The fact that there are men that abandon their family and kids over sissy hypno is dishonorable. And when I got to the part describing the "trans muslimah" abuse/submission fetish, I gasped audibly

This movement really is ruining lives, infiltrating women's spaces, and silencing even the most benign criticism. This book is a must read for everyone, especially AGPs. It includes accounts from AGPs and GAMPs that have experience of 13 years in therapy and still struggle with the fetish

It's certain the transitioner craze must end. We'll find a better solution for gender dysphoria

>>40299061 (OP)
So you read one book with a clear bias to it and now you're ready to condemn an entire group of people you don't even know. How about you fuck off instead, asshole? You don't know me or how I live my life

>>40299068
Not OP but I've seen your posts enough to deem you an annoying tripfaggot

>>40299061 (OP)
reminder that trolling is a bannable offense on 4chin

>>40299061 (OP)
>We'll find a better solution for gender dysphoria
lol okay

>>40299068
I'm a desister and I got convinced I was trans because I'm a highly sensitive and compassionate autistic dude

>>40299071
Cool story bro

dogshit bait. are you even trying?

>>40299078
you're a disaster because you're a retard who didn't think their decisions through

>>40299079
Seriously death to all trips

>>40299084
>>40299088
By "bait" you mean I've been in the trans community longer than you are, got traumagenic AGP fantasies, and trying to make sense of what went wrong and why I was lied to? Care to explain why trauma processing and EMDR made the tranny thoughts go away if it's so "natural"?

>>40299061 (OP)
And we're going to keep going, ESPECIALLY if theyre white. We're going to steal every son's peepee and turn them into pretty princesses who love Satan and communism. And there's NOTHING you can do to stop us.

>>40299061 (OP)
>It includes accounts from AGPs and GAMPs that have experience of 13 years in therapy and still struggle with the fetish
>We'll find a better solution for gender dysphoria

>>40299091
Have you considered taking responsibility for yourself and your own life and decisions

>>40299092
>And there's NOTHING you can do to stop us.
Idk seems like things are going nicely in the UK and US on that front

>>40299091
because you were never transgender to begin with you were a sexual deviant that let their dick make their decisions for them like all men do.

>>40299107
I was TRAUMATIZED, DEEPLY MENTALLY ILL, AUTISTIC, and an EARLY TEEN, you damned grxxmer

>>40299111
>no true scottranny

>>40299112
I'll take that as a "no, I haven't and I won't"

Bye boy

reminder that this garbage attempt at importing terfism to a country largely untouched by it is co-written by a literal kike zionist who studied in england and is sponsored by the far-right. these are your enemies anonette.

>>40299061 (OP)
AGP isn't a fetish, its a sexual orientation.
>It's certain the transitioner craze must end. We'll find a better solution for gender dysphoria
The solution would be the ability to switch to a body of your desired sex without several years of hormones and expensive plastic surgeries. Technologically challenging, but not impossible.

>>40299112
Yes, and YOU made those decisions in response, YOU did this, YOU made those mistakes, it's YOUR FAULT.

>>40299109
We've dispatched grooming agents to roblox, minecraft, and FNAF discords to ensure the next generation of trannies is even more powerful. No autistic boy will be safe from our power!

>>40299117
You think kids who were 12-13 at the time can make decisions as to whether to troon out. I do acknowledge what I did during the tranny period, that was literally PART OF MY TRAUMA HEALING. At least I got off easy with never medically transitioning, but there's real youngshit autistic kids out there in the same position as me

>>40299129
Oh, good thing Discord is an American company and has direct backdoors for the feds

>>40299112
>WAAAAH WAAAAH MY RETARD CHOICES ARE EVERYONE ELSES FAULT
You sure don't sound like a man for soneone who claims they detransitioned. Men take responsibility

>>40299132
>At least I got off easy with never medically transitionin
So you literally were never trans and never transitioned. Get over it dude.

>>40299138
>Men take responsibility
Mwn also violently rebel. What a silly take.

>>40299143
Your rebellion is cry bitch baby tears on a Mongolian basket weaving forum how all of YOUR CHOICES are other people's fault.
You will never be a man.

What kind of guy goes to therapy for gynandromorphilia? Unless it's so bad you're not attracted to cis women anymore

>>40299128
>>40299138
I've taken responsibility, however I also acknowledge I was under extreme duress (and a minor, you nonce) and was incapable of full consent and reasoning at that time due to keeping the trauma cope shield up at all costs

>>40299078
>compassionate autistic
Autism correlates with a decrease in empathy and compassion

>>40299132
the regret rate for HRT is 0.3% to 3.8%, you're pissing and shitting yourself over nothing and you are as retarded as you report yourself to be.

>>40299061 (OP)
Never heard of this in my life
>Expands
>French
You should know better than trust that inhuman scum
>>40299127
IDK about AGP
But that aside, agreed. Would be good for everyone

>>40299146
I'm not OP, which you could have figured out with a couple brain cells

>>40299150
Current research indicates lots of autistics are hyper-empathetic, they just don't know how to express in a way neurotypicals understand
>>40299151
These numbers are based on flawed methodology and/or concealment that do not adjust for sunk cost fallacy
Dr. Amaya Deakins of WPATH estimates anywhere from 15% to 30%. Knowing WPATH, it's probably even higher, maybe even over 50

>>40299150
Sounds like bullshit to me

>>40299149
>I was under extreme duress
and with this in mind you still thought it was clever to make life-changing decisions under those conditions.
Jesus fucking christ you are actually stupid, you're a fucking idiot, a dumbass, a mouth breathing mongoloid retard and you should rope.

>>40299153
don't tar us all with the same brush as the retards who wrote this. france is one of the best countries in europe for trans people, it's basically the only place that's serious about getting trans people fully transitioned medically and surgically and reintegrating us into society as our desired sex. however now our enemies sponsored by hostile foreign powers like israel and england are trying to dismantle this system from the inside. their goal is to honnify a whole generation of french tranners and turn public opinion against us.

Threads like these make me wonder sometimes if trannies would yell and shout blame and vitriol at actual desisting minors in public like psychos

>>40299169
I thought if I degraded myself to the point of asserting myself as a woman I could escape harsh bullying by being an untouchable and not just a "weak male who deserves it for weakness"
PLEASE, PLEASE read testimonials from actual desisters/detransitioners. So many of them were bullied, sometimes it's sensitivity, sometimes it's (internalized) homophobia

>>40299128
>>40299138
Have you taken responsibility for being a hon? You haven't. You probably blame your parents, transphobic society, Christianity, capitalism etc.

>>40299162
>These numbers are based on flawed methodology and/or concealment that do not adjust for sunk cost fallacy
All these buzzwords to piss and shit yourself over the fact the science doesn't agree with you.

>Dr. Amaya Deakins of WPATH estimates
>estimates
>>>>>ESTIMATES
I estimate golden retriever twunks will fall from the sky and treat me like a princess, it's not gonna happen, it's conjecture, it's synonym is "bullshitting"

>>40299198
>the science doesn't agree with you
Imagine saying this unironically about trans research in 2025

>>40299188
So you're a misogynist too on top of being a transphobe. Being a woman is not degrading.

Also lots of people get bullied and are sensitive without transitioning for a misogynistic reason.

>>40299149
>WAAAAAH THESE ARE ALL THE WEASONS ITS NOT MY FAUWT
Youre a failure of a man, no wonder you tried and failed at being a girl too.
I'd tell you to kill yourself but you'd fail at that too

>>40299209
Tranny discovers transitioning is misogynistic because it's based on harmful stereotypes. Go on, sweetheart, maybe you'll come to your senses and understand why I'm so repulsed by the transition pipeline now

>>40299218
>le harmful stereotypes
what stereotypes?

>>40299187
OP was a kid, he is not a kid now. Also I will tell off anyone who goes around pushing transphobic bullshit in front of me. Why should I have to tolerate people spreading hate against me?

>>40299204
I estimate that tranny research will dicksuck all of my deeply personal opinions by 2026

>>40299218
No, transitioning isn't about stereotypes, YOUR transition was about stereotypes. There's a big difference sweetie. What you are doing here is called projection.

>>40299221
So the answer is yes, you would yell at a detrans kid in public. Man, you guys are super insecure and self destructive lol, honestly you specifically deserve the current climate.

>>40299227
Read Transmania for "transitioned based on submission fetish/being emotional/being weak" accounts. It's an AGP pattern. It's the reason some turbo-AGP tranners convert to Islam

>>40299232
>detrans kid
an lsd ridden druggie deserves to be yelled at in public for going outside and wrecking havoc

>be me, a dumbass idiot
>transition for stupid reasons because I'm a misogynist
>woah I can't believe everyone transitions for stupid and misogynistic reasons

>>40299188
>if I degraded myself to the point of asserting myself as a woman
>degraded
You had all this contempt for the female gender, you even considered it lesser than you and yet you aspired to it, what the absolute fuck.

>I could escape harsh bullying by being an untouchable
how can you be this arrogant to presume this assessment of the female experience was the truth, you're some bizzare creature buddy, and thats coming from me.

>>40299232
OP is not a kid, you dishonest piece of shit.

>>40299241
I also told my bullies I wanted to become a slut, so I could degrade myself before any of them could. It's a defense mechanism put forward by a DESPERATE CHILD you heartless being

>>40299127
Gynephilia is the orientation, auto turns it into a paraphilia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia
If you have AGP, your sexual orientation is gynephile.

>>40299245
Who said anything about OP? The statement stands for itself, and the comments ITT already make it plain lots of you would very much yell and scream at a detrans minor

>>40299249
We wouldn't be so harsh on you if you weren't using your own decisions as a hammer to bash other trannies with. Now shut the fuck up already bitch.

>>40299256
Don't be a hateful ass toward me and I won't have any issue with you.

>>40299250
In my experience AGP is also romantic.

>kid calls me nigger
>I'm the problem for giving the kid a verbal lashing
This is what you sound like

>>40299263
That depwlends entirely on what you consider being a "hateful ass." I suspect you'd consider a 16 year old girl who had a double mastectomy and was persuading other girls or even perhaps lawmakers to not let that happen to be "hateful". Am I wrong?

>I was a TRAUMATIZED KID who thought that I could be safe by pretending to be black because then I would be a big scary evil nigger and nobody would mess with me
>but then I realized I was groomed into being black and actually I hate niggers and we should ban their existence haha
>hey why are you being sooo mean to me :(((

>>40299268
Because GP is, AGP is just a mirror that redirects GP, which is your real orientation.

>>40299271
Loooool

There were no surgeries here. There wasn't even HRT. You are completely stupid to make this comparison.

>>40299125
Merluche wants to destroy the concept of France as a country and impose Sharia but sure go ahead and tell us how that'd be better for trannies
If it's such a garbage attempt why'd you have to censor all the billboards in Paris and stochastic terrorize Moutot and Stern and literally plan assassination attempts on them? There's no fa like antifa

>>40299278
I think androphilia vs gynephilia is just one dimension of human sexuality, another being autophilia vs allophilia

>>40299249
>I also told my bullies I wanted to become a slut
you're some fucking freak huh
>so I could degrade myself before any of them could
And you thought that was a basis for transitioning? YOU SAT THERE AND ACTUALLY THOUGHT THAT, I DON'T EVEN CARE THAT YOU'RE CLEARLY GETTING OFF TO THIS RIGHT NOW, YOU ARE FUCKED UP.
>It's a defense mechanism
Thats a fetish buddy, you're a manic deviant and you need some mood stabilizers.

>>40299289
I was a highly sensitive kid exposed to Twitter at age 12. What do you think seeing "sex work is work" and "trans is beautiful" rhetoric will do to an impressonable child? That's right, romanticizing terrible victimhood shit

>>40299281
I'm not talking about OP. I'm making the observation that trannies seem to be absolutely furious with kids who desist and speak out about it and that they lack the self control or self awareness to not act on it.
And the opinions volunteered in thread seem to back that up.
So would a 16yo desister speaking out be a hateful act against you?

>>40299298
If the 16 year old is literally saying that I shouldn't be allowed to be me because she made a mistake, then yeah. That's fucked up.

>>40299303
Typically, child desisters advocate for laws banning child transition, so unless you're a child, then that's not hate against you or trannies generally. Do you agree?

>>40299249
>I was a dumb retard who clearly was bullied for justified reasons and now I want to pretend everyone is as big of a retard as I am

>>40299298
if the """kids""" themselves admit they "still want to be men" but "rep for christ" or something and detrooned because of an acid trip i am going to make fun of them nigga
>cole
>strongin
>becker

>>40299308
Now we're not even on the same topic as this thread at all. Why bring this shit up? OP is literally saying we need to do something else for gender dysphoria because of HIS own mistake. That's what I'm upset about. Not this weird hypothetical 16 year old girl you made up from nothing

>>40299296
>I was a highly sensitive kid exposed to Twitter at age 12. What do you think seeing "sex work is work" and "trans is beautiful" rhetoric will do to an impressonable child? That's right, romanticizing terrible victimhood shit

Thats your parents fault, they neglected you.

>>40299174
Look, I just can't help it. I know it's stupid
But living right next to them, I can't help but hate France for what your government did to Haiti

>>40299311
Ok thanks for confirming you specifically would yell (or mock or whatever stand in word you'd like) at detrans kids in public. You really are that unaware and retarded. Good to know!

>>40299288
Orientation: serves the natural way with which we evolve as a species, is a part of reproduction.
Paraphilia: everything else.

You're trying to reinvent the wheel when these things have been figured out for a long time.

>>40299308
they themselves admit to
>doctor shopping
>lying about crucial things in a diagnosis
>manipulating their parents to do these things for them, then crying wolf at them when they later regret it
I'm sorry but i can't feel bad for them

>>40299312
Because the entire thread body is 70+ posts about how OP was a stupid kid and it was his fault as a kid, and maybe 2 posts about how doing something different for GD is bad or nonedetract.

Really activates the almonds on what trannies think about kids and detrans.

>>40299318
"Muh religion" isn't a reason to detransition. That legitimately makes you retarded if you detransition for a reason like that.

Holy fuck religion really did a number on this species. So pathetic

>>40299330
Yeah well maybe don't go into a conversation attacking the people you're talking to and they won't respond poorly. OP went right into the fetish bullshit and attacking trans people for no reason. So yeah fuck OP he's a dumbass

>>40299328
>cant feel bad for them
You understand they're kids, right? Many of whom started the process at 10-12? And had unrelated psychological traumas?

Not too different from OP.

>>40299340
>Yeah well maybe don't go into a conversation attacking the people you're talking to and they won't respond poorly
That's the joke. That's what's so funny about the hypothesis.
Trannies are literally so fucking hair trigger they'd bitch out a 13 year old girl with arguamlblr medical harm in the public square if they perceived what she was saying as a threat to their rights.

It's the most autismo inability to read the room or understand social cues or social ethics. And it's really funny and sad.

>>40299358
Okay I'm done with your bullshit at this point. Obviously you're here for no other reason than to attack trannies. Please end your life immediately.

>>40299332
I implore you to go up to a detrans kid in a public space and deliver that muh religion speech and definitelt film yourself giving it

>>40299320
Okay, but why is that view better than mine?

>>40299363
Buddy, if you can't see the humor in it, I hate to break it to you, you are the joke. Seriously, grow some thicker skin and sort yourself out if your first instinct is to consider the experiences of a child a threat against you to attack.

I will not be killing myself, you will be disappointed.

>>40299365
Retard I would just roll my eyes and move on. I see people like that as less than human. If you detransition because your religion told you to then you are not detrans you're just a retard who was brainwashed and is probably a lost cause at this point. Not even worth engaging with.

>>40299371
Because it's the consensus of functional society.

>>40299381
>I see people like that as less than human
Yes, everyone around you can likely sense that, it's surely helping your cause and not creating any collective issues for you.
Really not beating the allegations lol.

>>40299391
Okay creature enjoy wasting the one life you get being controlled by an imaginary friend. I will be an actual human enjoying life in reality with a functioning mind.

>>40299382
This is a bandwagon fallacy and a reification fallacy.
Just because its "consensus" doesn't mean its right, and "society" isn't an actor.

>>40299408
>everyone who disagrees with me is a christfag
Wew, we're hitting all the cognitive dissonance bases.

>>40299330
why would you acknowledge that which is illegitimate when you can acknowledge the legitimate fact that OP is a stupid retard?

>>40299442
So do you think OP was at fault as a kid for their choices as a kid? Were they a stupid kid who should have known better?

>>40299341
>uh they uh...
They had multiple years to say anything - to the doctor, to their parents. They did not. None of them did. I genuinely don't give a shit that "ohh woe is them a kid called them ugly and they have ptsd or something" nigga. I have diagnosed cptsd which is estimated to have started in my childhood. Did it make me afraid of confrontation? Yes. Did it make me physically unable to confront someone? No. Did i confront someone about my parents abusing me? Yes, quite quickly, because i'm not a cattle-like retard.

>>40299455
Oh man, this is actually really funny. Like danger levels of edgelord social autism.

>>40299416
If your view was the consensus, society would stop being functional. It has happened before, and degenerate societies fell and were replaced by more functional ones. Your view goes against nature so it cannot stand the test of time, regardless of being shared or not at a given time.

>>40299478
>society stops functioning because of homosexuality
Please kill yourself

>>40299486
I have no motivation to do so because i don't base my life on self gratification

>>40299454
Yes.

>>40299509
So congrats, you get added to the zero-self-awareness irrational-anger list too lol.

>>40299467
>edgelord
No, its just a skill issue. People this retarded shouldn't be allowed to exist in the first place

>>40299074
and yet.

>>40299520
>People this retarded shouldn't be allowed to exist in the first place
I agree, which is why I think its especially funny that your antisocial aura is likely materially worsening your collective chances in the world right now.

>>40299061 (OP)
Blablabla stfu faggot

>read book by a literal far-right conspirationist anti-medicine "feminist", and a literal masculinist royalist woman
>it's transphobic bs
Surprising. Maybe read Mein Kampf next to keep up your education

>>40299517
you have no argument, rope.

>>40299478
Seems you've gone mask off.
The truth is not suddenly made wrong by "societal consequences".
The most functional societies are liberal ones.

>>40299627
Demographics say otherwise

>>40299061 (OP)
so uh

you've read more than just one book, right?

>The fact that there are men that abandon their family and kids over sissy hypno

there aren't

> It includes accounts from AGPs and GAMPs that have experience of 13 years in therapy and still struggle with the fetish

Dr Ray Blanchard said that AGPs should transition too.

>>40299665
Be specific.

>>40299676
Based

The funniest part is this book is popular everywhere except France, no one around me hates trannies or cares, the only people who think the opposite are third worldies (americans) or shartybots

The only party here who has any plans to ban trannies is Reconquête! and it's just a neo-fascist party who splits the RN's vote and has no chances of winning, keep seething chuds

>>40299310
I had CPTSD through being undiagnosed and neglect and tried to fit in by imitating the edgy things neurotypicals do
>>40299315
I was undiagnosed neurodivergent and would hiss when my PC was being watched so they stopped altogether

>>40299670
>Dr Ray Blanchard said that AGPs should transition too.
Moutot contests that idea in the book
>>40299455
Ever think these kids are so traumatized they're afraid to express vulnerability to others?
Read Maia
https://substack.com/@thepeacepoet99/p-165444592

>>40299061 (OP)
It's good that all the sources are in one place, but it's nothing remarkable. The longer one is in contact with trans people, the more you are exposed to the insane stuff and start to question it. Most people you ask assume all MtFs are gay men for example, once they learn how many are straight men pursuing lesbians it sparks a little moment of confusion. From there it snowballs until people end up seeing through the whole charade.

>>40299989
They tried to astroturf it on TPMP and shit but euros don't give a shit about trannies lmao too busy hating Arabs and Roma

>>40299989
>>40300096
#1 FNAC bestseller on release despite the stores themselves shamefully tucking it behind layers of other books btw
A single tranny requires €120k for a complete transition, I for one don't want to be the Nicolas paying for it all

>>40300107
No one uses fnac for anything but mangas and video games, bestseller probably means it sold like 3 and a half copies kek keep paying for my free laser chuddie <3

>>40300127
I bought it off FNAC and I know a girl IRL who met Stern and interviewed her somewhere while trannies made death threats to both of them

>>40300147
>while trannies made death threats to both of them
based?

>>40300153
Do you also support the assassination attempt plot published by trans-identified domestic terrorists?
https://www.lejdd.fr/societe/terrorisme-trans-un-manifeste-dextreme-gauche-appelle-au-meurtre-de-marguerite-stern-et-dora-moutot-150679

>>40300004
>Moutot contests that idea in the book

Why?

>>40300189
Do you really need to ask?

>>40300196
It's unjust for women wanting to be left alone in their spaces. However she is sympathetic to the E-microdosing tranner she interviewed even if she personally thinks they're a bit deluded as to whether their AGP is pathological

>>40300218
>It's unjust for women wanting to be left alone in their spaces.

Why? Trans women are women; we transitioned in order to be socially recognized as women. What spaces are these?

> E-microdosing

How does this even work?

>>40300224
>Trans women are women
Moutot is a self-described femaleist and she got into this because trannies got mad at her for not including them in her spaces

>>40300218
"Women" don't collectively own spaces, individuals do. It is up to the owner to determine the rules regarding trans people.

>>40300197
hi ukrsiberian, aren't you afraid of getting deported if the glowies find this thread?

>>40300231
>self-described femaleist

What the fuck does this even mean?

>she got into this because trannies got mad at her for not including them in her spaces

Like what?

>>40300242
>What the fuck does this even mean?
Only biological sex matters
>Like what?
Her Instagram. She spoke out for a biological view back in 2019 and that was enough for the tranny mob
>>40300233
This is not merica, you're forced by the communist laws to include trannies even if you think they're men or they can sue you for discrimination

>>40300253
>Only biological sex matters

If only biological sex matters that throws f2ms right under the bus as well.

>Her Instagram.

Lol is this bitch really crying over people she can easily block?

>>40300260
Yeah she talks about how 60% of young transitioners in France are biological females and that the MtF trannies are just the more visible part

>>40300263
>how 60% of young transitioners in France are biological females
why is this bad

seems like these are more people that don't believe in her bioessentiallist bullshit.

>>40299150
Correct. Transgenderism only becomes possible when its sufferers/proponents have lost all compassion and empathy. That's why it's so easy for them to leave their families and harass women in bathrooms.

>>40300107
Mec t'as déjà payé mon orchi et ma FFS continue à souffler entre tes dents, fais avec, et dilate <3

>>40300189
Waouh (basé basé basé basé basé basé)

>>40299478
>That's right, the Roman Empire fell because of the gays

>>40300301
trannies like you cried "stochastic terrorism" when Libs of TikTok whistleblew Boston Children's Hospital malpractice btw
leftoid trannies and hypocrisy, name a more iconic duo

>>40300238
sorry nusoi i was born here i'm not going anywhere

>>40299091
>made the tranny thoughts go away
You'll be back, honey

>>40300326
>random terminally online bullshit
Are you okay chuddie? You sound sick. Maybe you should go rest.

>>40300363
Hon hands typed this

>>40299298
i'll take the bait

first off, calling a 16 year old a "kid" is weird, when you say kid i'm thinking 8 years old and if an 8 year old is saying crazy shit about transgenders i'm not gonna scream at them?
why tf would i, the kid is stupid and this is a perfect opportunity to encourage healthy reasoning skills by hearing them out and having an open discussion about it

it's kind of crazy that you think all tranners are these insane easy-to-get-mad people when in my experience most of us are chill as fuck?
it sounds like you're too chronically online, or got your mind poisoned by propaganda, or consume too much media about tranners and don't actually interact face-to-face with real life tranners and get to know them to get a view more grounded in reality

anon you should try to chill and smoke a joint with a based tranny wearing a cool lain t-shirt

>>40301153
>when in my experience most of us are chill as fuck
Anon please we’re being serious here

>>40299061 (OP)
> consume propaganda
> believe it wholeheartedly
> tell people about this
how fucking embarrassing

i like real movements.
all my super heros actually existed.

>>40301153
50yo, just a kid, madone!

>>40299169
>and with this in mind you still thought it was clever to make life-changing decisions under those conditions.
I have ADHD and BPD and I'm impulsive, until recently I used to switch political camps every 6 months

>>40299380
please tell me you realise you're specifically interacting with trannies on 4chan, the trannies i meet irl aren't like this at all, hell even the trannies FROM here generally act way more collected irl than it would seem here, it's called code-switching look it up it's pretty interesting

idk i just hope you're not retarded enough to make assumptions about all trannies based on just the 4channies, like SURELY you understand that that's such a biased source to get your data from?

>>40299256
>comments ITT already make it plain lots of you would very much yell and scream at a detrans minor
lol wow
OP is here spreading propaganda and demanding we "see the light" and detrans... and that's what you're seeing?
you're british, aren't you? i can smell the WASP pretentiousness coming off of you from here.

>>40301209
>madone
this is now a bike thread

>>40299358
>It's the most autismo inability to read the room or understand social cues or social ethics
read the first post again then reflect on this.
your transphobia blinds you.

>>40299380
> haha it's just a joke
uh huh... except the laws being passed and pushed aren't "jokes"...
men are truly despicable creatures...

>>40301269
>We can't target people in bathrooms in exactly one (1) US state
Oh noes!... Anyway

>>40300004
> read maia
lmao that dumbass never even transitioned and her mother's entire job is being transphobic
you can't be serious
why do you value the opinion of these retards so highly? because they confirm yours?

>>40301285
they always do this.. point to one "silly" example while ignoring the serious ones.
Jacques Ellul talks about this in his book "Propaganda"... it's horrifying to see people behave like this, i have to tell myself you're a bot to maintain any faith in humanity.

>>40301294
I relate to her experience growing up autistic so much. She's legit and a kind person

>>40301338
she's incredibly stupid and not a convincing propagandist whatsoever
how on earth is she kind? her livestreams are hours of hating on people.
her and her mother are both horrible people.

>>40301416
>not a convincing propagandist
That's because she's sincere, hope that helps

>>40301460
sincerely retarded, yeah.

>>40301537
a lot of maia hate is just ableism, same as elon hate
like yeah she misrepresents a bit and uses "detrans" for herself too loosely but don't be ableist there's legit criticism to be made

>>40301240
>whoa whoa whoa you can't judge us by what we say, that would be like biased
If anything, IRL TRAs fit the mold here perfectly, but don't worry, if this isn't you I won't judge your husstuss ass more than you deserve.
>>40301242
>and that's what you're seeing?
That given the choice to critique OP as a child vs critique OP's adult framing, most of the thread chose the former? Yep that's what I'm seeing because that's what's there to see lol, no matter how much >>40301265 wants to label it transphobia.
>>40301269
"Joke" here means that you are the subject and butt of the situation, and the easiest way not to be is to reflect and change behavior

>>40301577
bait used to be believable.

>>40301577
i'm autistic, it's not an excuse to be a dumbass (maia "hamas made me detrans" poet) or an asshole (elon "sig heil" musk)
>>40301622
the OP begins with the premise that we are perverts and fetishists etc... why should i care how old the person is repeating this heinous propaganda? this is an 18+ board, so i will post as if everyone here is 18+. not my problem.
> "Joke" here means that you are the subject and butt of the situation, and the easiest way not to be is to reflect and change behavior
indeed, this thread is intended to mock us with depictions as perverts and fetishists... and yet you think our response is unwarranted... because you're a transphobe who agrees with this characterization so you're blinded as to how harmful this narrative is for us in our lives, both in the day-to-day and long-term politically.
it's not funny, you're just a middle-school bully who never grew up.

>>40301716
>why should i care how old the person is repeating this heinous propaganda?
You see, the test here which many of you are repeatedly failing is that when given the choice to call out bad faith framing vs spend a thread demonizing a minor for their improper medicalization, you chose the latter so consistently. It's why the extrapolation, showing that many of you would publicly berate some detract minor given then chance due to zero self preservation skills and zero social awareness, has been so accurate and so funny.

>>40301750
Pee pee poo poo i like banana in my anus awooga woohoo

we don't care faggot kill yourself

>>40301750
>spend a thread demonizing a minor for their improper medicalization, you chose the latter so consistently
i didn't do this, my responses literally have a name on them. go ahead and quote me.
>showing that many of you would publicly berate some detract minor given then chance due to zero self preservation skills and zero social awareness, has been so accurate and so funny.
why on earth would i ever meet a detransitioner in real life in a context where i even know they're a detransitioner? what delulu world do you live in where this discourse takes place offline?

>>40299112
>take responsibility for your own life
>HELP I'M BEING GROOMED
??? Are u fucking serious?

>>40301846
>i didn't do this,
You imply agreement it with here
>why should i care how old the person is repeating this heinous propaganda
>yet you think our response is unwarranted
But as mentioned to another, if it isn't you, then it isn't you. Lots ITT have made it explicit is is in fact them.

>>40301897
18+ board. simple as.
spreading heinous propaganda is harmful no matter your age, no matter your religious affiliation, no matter your supposed "detrans" status like ms. poet who never took a single dose of T

>>40299125
JEAN LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUC LE GOAT

>>40301922
>18+ board. simple as
Doesn't matter, most of the threat wasn't blaming OP in the present, they were blaming OP as a child.
Also doesn't matter because when given the hypothetical many leaned right into it lol.

>>40301976
and? don't come here trying to tell us our transitions should be illegal.
don't give a fuck how old you are, you will be called out for believing propaganda.

>>40301976
> your existence should be made illegal
the response:
> you're kind of retarded
you:
> omggg they're a minor how could youuu

the tone policing from WASPs is a cancer on the public discourse

>>40302079
There's that self-demonstrating point again, you just can't help yourself. You probably don't see how funny that is, but trust me, it's something to behold.

>>40302093
Oh, I think there's a more accurate greentext
>I was inproperly medicalized and some things should change
>wtf you were so stupid as a minor its all your fault why didn't you take responsibility at 12 for your actions

>>40302119
i truly could not care less what low iq americans think of me
>>40302142
> some things should change
reality:
> banning it entirely
context matters.
i don't blame OP or anything, i don't even believe it's a real person or story so i never bothered responding in a personal manner. i always just call out the propaganda and gaslighting.

>>40301622
"you can't judge us by what we say" is absolutely not what i'm saying, i don't frequent /lgbt/ and that's for good reason, this is a cesspool and you should absolutely judge everyone here
>f anything, IRL TRAs fit the mold here perfectly
what i AM saying is that THIS here is utterly delusional and shows that your information absolutely is incredibly skewed and biased
TRA stands for Trans Rights Activist right? well if so... sorry but are you stupid? the vast majority of trannies are not TRAs and i'm not talking about your silly acronym
how the fuck are you saying judgy stuff about trans people in general but then when that view gets challenged you change it to just be about TRAs instead? do you think TRA is synonymous to trans individual? do you genuinely believe every single tranny out there is dedicated to the cause? cuz fuck that, most just try to live their lives

anyways i do have to admit i'm kind of shocked by the amount of hate detransitioners are getting, i mean i'm not in favour of detransitioners being used as proof of transphobic shit or anything, but the road of detransitioning is a tough one and i'd be tempted to show some compassion, personally. it must be very complicated, and clearly there's not a whole lot of support from those you'd expect to get it from. i think it makes sense for a detransitioner to phrase things awkwardly, to say things that are kind of "out there" in the process of making sense of things and their identity and to give the past a place in their mind
and it's precisely this shock i feel that tells me that /lgbt/rannies are NOT representative of real life trans folks, no offense you guys are weird but you're my transisters so whatever, gotta deal with it i guess

>>40302301
>do you think TRA is synonymous to trans individual?
this is exactly how they use this term. they just mean trans people who respond to their nonsense.
detransitioners lose my respect entirely the second they start supporting legislative moves to make our transitions illegal. i won't apologize for it.

>>40302331
>detransitioners lose my respect entirely the second they start supporting legislative moves to make our transitions illegal
see call me weird but i just don't feel the same way, they're free to support whatever they want, it doesn't matter to me because even if it ends up being made illegal, there's always another way to get my hands on HRT so i'm really not worried at all cuz i'm not dependent on mommy medical industry or daddy government, it's just the easiest most convenient way right now but there's always India to import from

the way i see it, detransitioners are hurt individuals who are still healing, so i guess i kind of don't take everything they say as seriously as i would with other people idk

>>40299061 (OP)
>detranser need decades of therapy
me married and big chillin for decades
> t. transed before 2010

>>40302663
i'm a white collar worker, i'm not gonna order sketchy hrt from india

>>40299061 (OP)
>people with a fetish i find morally reprehensible? castrating themselves? *GASP*! oh the humanity! we need to force them on high dose testosterone so they goon even harder to sissy hypno 24/7 and cant control themselves from gooning in womens bathrooms! jesus demands it!

>>40299106
Yeah that's the part that stood out to me.
>We put them through 13 years of conversion therapy and they still want to be women!
Like is that supposed to delegitimize GD or support non-transitioning solutions? Because it does neither.

>>40302703
okay good for you, have fun detransitioning in case you can't get HRT from pharmacies anymore i guess but there are a lot of people who are forced to use DIY HRT and it honestly works just fine
the DIY market for HRT is huge, and estrogen isn't even thaaat difficult to produce so it's not exactly very "sketchy" either, it's literally just estrogen prepared in a form that your body can absorb it and use it

anyway you're not gonna have to worry about any of this because there's no way that HRT is actually gonna get banned, terfs and transphobes can pray and whine all they want but it's just not gonna happen, the worst they can do is fearmonger so us trannies freak out that they're gonna ruin our lives by taking over the government to repress us n shit, when that's honestly fairly unlikely to really happen to a WWII Nazi Germany extent

>>40302865
i'm canadian and over 18, i'm not very concerned.
but i'll still call out people trying to advocate for it being illegal.

>>40302885
that is fair and i applaud that but calling diy hrt "sketchy" with no basis to go off is kinda weird though, a lot of people are relying on it and you didn't provide any reasons why it must be sketchy just because it's produced in India, i know racism is popular on here but my friends take diy hrt so it just doesn't sit right with me to apply the "indians ruin everything lawl" jokes on this one, but who cares i'm just some anon

>>40302929
i don't trust products coming from who the fuck knows where in india, call me racist all you like, i just want to feel safe about what i'm injecting into my body

>>40302797
trans IS conversion therapy, hrt often changes your sexuality
if you actually read the book you'd know the 13 year therapy guy knows hwnbaw and thinks AGP sexual desires are ruining his life. he's been to 4 psychiatrists and ended up taking e to calm the sexual desires but still thinks he's a guy. it's different
and yes therapy is viable for biological sex reconciliation, gd is caused by terrible upbringing/mental illness and/or trauma so treat the root cause and desensitize with emdr

>>40302975
nta but u should have a healthy amount of scepticsm about everything you put in your body, there is a balance to be had

>>40302975
is the fact that thousands/millions of trans people are using it without issue not enough reassurance? i don't mean to call you racist, sorry i realise now that my wording in previous reply would make it seem like that's what i'm saying but that was an attempt at understanding

i know that injecting something in your body is something very intimate, and the thing you're injecting better be clean. so i understand the anxiety about injecting something that didn't come from a pharmacy through a prescription vetted by a doctor, as long as you are able to get it through there i'm happy for you and i'm glad you can use medicine you feel is safe

but that doesn't necessarily mean that the hrt from india is unsafe by any means, you're simply unfamiliar with it because you don't NEED to be familiar with it
personally the reason i would rather not use diy hrt is a very pragmatic one: i don't wanna pay for it. that's it. i'd feel safe using it but i'm dirt-poor so fuck thattttt
though i'm also a druggy so i've put way worse shit in my body and will do so again, so basically my experience doing shady drugs taught me that i really don't need to worry THAT much about this shit cuz as long as you're mindful of the source (getting it somewhere a lot of other people are getting it from and keeping an eye on if they're alarmed by a "new batch" or smth will keep you safe) and are a little bit observant, you're gonna be just fine
it's not like ONLY pharmacies are able to create medicine, if the method is out there then anyone can have a go at making some themselves, chemistry is like maths, just gotta apply the formula in the exact same way and you get the exact same shit out of it
and like i said before, estrogen is a whole lot easier to produce than the weird fucking garage-lab-made drugs i've done and been fine on for years

>>40302975
Most drugs are produced in india/turkey/china from what i know

>>40303096
>13 years of therapy
>crosshormone medication to chemically castrate him to prevent sexual desires (and reproduction)
>4 different psychiatrists
>still suffers bc hwnbaw
sounds really successful, damn were do we sign up?

>>40302975
There's vials from terminally online Western tranners but they can have pubic hairs if you get a bad batch

>>40303114
>>40303170
>>40303191
the "sch" in my name is for "schizo", i don't trust shit.
the only reason i trust my hrt is because it comes from doctors & the pharmacy and desu even then i have doubts sometimes bc i'm crazy

>be op
>ultra low iq, probably a d student in us public schooling
>get bullied for being terminally online and chimping out about roasties
>think "hey, if I were a girl I'd be too disgusting and worthless to bully!"
>start cosplaying a misogynistic stereotype of a girl in hopes the bullying stops
>shocked nothing changes
He's a dumber yet sexist version of chihiro

>>40304534
>ultra low iq, probably a d student in us public schooling
I was A+ retard

nevar 4git the 6 gorillion stunning and brave detroons bullied and oppressed by trans ideology o algo

>>40305469
Just don't touch the kids and you'll be okay

>>40303192
still better than mutilating healthy body parts