European right wing parties could easily bring a significant percentage of LGBT voters to their side by just staying neutral on the LGBT topics and focusing on immigration instead, thus breaking the association of "right wing = hate fags."

They wouldn't even lose their right wing voters since most right wing discourse in europe is mostly centered around refugee alarmism and the inability of the traditional parties to address this issue. They're literally the only option for someone who's terrified by the islamification of Europe.

I'm sure that there's hundreds of millions of European LGBT individuals who'd are sick of the left and would happily turn to the right if they just promised not to attack LGBT rights and focus on immigration instead.

NA anons who don't have to deal with mass immigration from 3rd world islamist strongholds need not respond

>>40311635 (OP)
Come to al-Islam brother, turn towards the Prophet (pbuh) and away from sin

>>40311635 (OP)
meh. the anti-immigration parties in my country are also in favour of spending shitloads of money and creating an even bigger budget deficit than we have already so even if they were pro-LGBT or neutral on the issue i still wouldn't vote for them, immigration is basically the only thing i agree with them on. what we really need is a classical liberal type movement that will stop our governments wasting money on bullshit, protect civil liberties and apply common sense in immigration policy instead of importing 1 million jeets a year on student visas.

>>40311635 (OP)
hur fucking durr

>>40312248
this has nothing to do with gaza you absolute fucking cretin

>>40312199
what country?

>>40312269
>this has nothing to do with gaza you absolute fucking cretin
LGBT is so intelligent and capable of high level thought

>>40312269
france (not residing there currently but it's where i'm registered to vote). bardella is a clown and his parties' policies in the last parliamentary election would have wasted as much money as the macron retards or even the left. at least he's finally talking some amount of sense on retirement and pensions but i'm still far from convinced by the FN's financial policies, doubly so considering they were caught lining their own pockets with public money. at this point i'll vote for anyone who stops metro drivers from retiring at 55 with €4k a month pensions while going on strike half of the fucking year.

>>40312343
brainlets like you make it about simplistic emotional topics "racism is bad!"
this isn't about racism, isn't about gaza, isn't even about islam, it's about people who hate LGBT people mass migrating to the west and reducing our qualtiy of life

by the sounds of it you're one of them, so please go back on a raft to whatever medieval shithole you and your fellow subhumans crawled out of. Kthxbye

Remigration now. Expell all immigrants.

>>40312408
>so please go back on a raft to whatever medieval shithole you and your fellow subhumans crawled out of
Back to Rome I go. Enjoy dying off low iq nigger

>>40311635 (OP)
What you retarded rightoid lgbt people never seem to understand is that hating you is their point. The rightoids hate you because you are not like them, which is why they also hate immigrants. They will never just drop hating you to only focus on hating immigrants, because you are not like them and the rightoid hates everything which is not like them. Their whole thing is trying to turn society into a nice neat little orderly room where they don't have to think about people who are not like them because those people either don't exist or at least aren't allowed to talk about their deviance from 'the norm' in public. Rightism is a mental straitjacket for emotional children, nothing more.

>>40312481
No, I meant where your parents came from.

>>40312426
Either that or reeducation centers like China is doing with it's own islamist problem.

>>40312509
>NA anons who don't have to deal with mass immigration from 3rd world islamist strongholds need not respond
the right here is a lot less concerned with LGBT than in america, in countries that do have a LGBT rights regression problem (UK), it is a bipartisan issue that both the spineless "left" and the right agree on.

>which is why they also hate immigrants
Nobody but a few nutjobs hates immigrants because they're immigrants in Europe anon, they hate refugees because they're behind the vast majority of violent crime.

Stop applying your well-meaning but out of touch rhetoric to topics that clearly don't concern you

>>40312548
>No, I meant where your parents came from.
France?

>>40312509
>Their whole thing is trying to turn society into a nice neat little orderly room where they don't have to think about people who are not like them
Also to excuse the fact that western countries are the most genocidal "cultures" on the planet. They basically openly promote anti-humanism. OP is mad at shit that their own party is the cause for. Its so low IQ it fucking hurts.

>>40311635 (OP)
I kinda like poland in a way that there is no rights for faggots(marriage) and no rights for women(abortion/reproduction) so the only people that whine about trannies are far right retards and trannies got some rights recently

also no sandniggers

>>40312593
>also no sandniggers
>jew tranny furious at cohesive family units

>>40312569
>France
Either way you've made it evident that you clearly despise the west and are okay the destruction of European lifestyle out of some kind of misguided worldism revenge so I shan't be considering thy's thoughts anymore.

Although now I'm curious, what's your letter?

>Also to excuse the fact that western countries are the most genocidal "cultures" on the planet. They basically openly promote anti-humanism. OP is mad at shit that their own party is the cause for. Its so low IQ it fucking hurts.
I'm sorry, what part of taking in and housing millions of literal violent imbred thugs consistutes anti-humanism? And before you write of my previous sentence as exaggerated vitriol, I can provide statistics for every point mentioned, so do ask.

And what's humanitarian about the arab-muslim slave trade, from the 7th century back when infidels were castrated and used as servents, all the way till now where thousands of "resident non-citizens" work in indentured servitude on megaprojects for literal oil baron royalty? Or the raping of Nakang, or the Indian caste system? Or the Mayan blood rituals, or greek/assyrian/armenian genocide? Perhaps pick up a history book or two before brainwashing yourself with white guilt vines you worthless idiot.

>>40312548
>the right here is a lot less concerned with LGBT than in america
...is something you could have said and been correct maybe 15 years ago before the sovereign debt crisis and the syrian civil war refugees sent the whole continent into a chud tailspin. Not true anymore lol. I'll boldly predict that every single party in Patriots for Europe and Europe of Sovereign Nations group will have finished realigning to Americhud positions on LGBT by 2030, they're most of the way there already.

>>40312676
>And before you write of my previous sentence as exaggerated vitriol, I can provide statistics for every point mentioned, so do ask
You have to realize that youre doing everything you claim In doing. Im not a 2012 liberal, I understand your statistics, you have no solutions except more violence and division. Youre on a one way train to self demise and you promote it like its a virtue, its not. Learn from history.

>>40312714
how about you answer my questions instead of dodging with vague ad-hominen attacks

>>40312700
Yeah, I think we need a strong solution (e.g. stopping all refugees + reeducation centers or remigration) ASAP before this continues to get worse and a new fascist idealogy takes over Europe that we get caught up in

remember, there's already ethnic ghettos where the schools are filled with high (90%+) numbers of second generation immigrants, even if we stopped all refugees now things are going to get *much* worse, I wouldn't be surprised if we see some countries balkanize over this.

>>40312676
>And what's humanitarian about the arab-muslim slave trade, from the 7th century back when infidels were castrated and used as servents, all the way till now where thousands of "resident non-citizens" work in indentured servitude on megaprojects for literal oil baron royalty?
Do you seriously not understand that every single western countries does this too? And America literally still has legal slavery under its prison system. You dont have any good points here.

>>40312669
>being polish
>being kike

sadly hitler killed most of them and then commies fucked around with the rest

>cohesive family units
we have those right now, not for long tho

>>40312752
>Do you seriously not understand that every single western countries does this too?
Yeah that's the point. Europeans are not uniquely evil, we just the won race to impose our will on others, probably because all of Europe was locked in an arms race against itself for centuries. If we didn't hit the industrial revolution first, you can bet that whoever did would've done the exact same back to us.

The fact that we eventually talked ourselves out of continued colonialism is a miracle of humanitarianism. The british empire could've easily sided with Hitler, kept its empire and everyone in Africa would still be under European rule to this day.

>>40312569
>>40312752
also can you answer this
>"Although now I'm curious, what's your letter?"

there is no islamification of europe thats called schizophrenia

>>40311635 (OP)
One of the reason the right is still homophobic is because its still very much in bed with christianity

>>40312834
Male on estrogen you sperg

>>40312903
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2015/04/02/europe/
This is Europe in total too, which is dilluted by countries such as Poland and Finland taking in very few refugees, or countries like Italy that has laws in place to prevent the building of new mosques, so the numbers for France/Germany/UK would be *much* higher, pretty sure it says it somewhere in that research but I cba to scan it again at this time

>>40312923
No, christianity is just an excuse to be homophobic, the last pope was very progressive regarding homosexuals and the latest one seems to be too.
In islam, it's very clearly stated that homosexuality is harem, hence why there's so few progressive islamists and so many extremist non-state actors tearing Africa and the Middle East to shreds over far more lenient topics.

>>40312968
Oh a repressor?
Yeah maybe girlmode for a few years and once you get start getting cat-called in the middle of the night by young men who'd stab your eyes out in an instant if they realised what you are, you'll become a little more sympathetic to my way of thinking.

>>40312992
>No, Christianity is just an excuse to be homophobic
correct thats their cultural reference from which they justify homophobia.
> the last pope was very progressive regarding homosexuals
I mean for a pope yeah but he was still homophobic by any liberal standards

Also I never said that Islam is better I simply pointed out why the right is homophobic which has nothing to do with Islam

>>40312992
>has to spew large amounts of inane propoganda and irrelevant statistics to seem credible

>>40311635 (OP)
nobody is replacing white people
and you will never be one of the good ones
all fields

>>40312992
>Yeah maybe girlmode for a few years and once you get start getting cat-called in the middle of the night by young men who'd stab your eyes out in an instant if they realised what you are
White Christians?

>>40311635 (OP)
right wingers should kill themselves i think

you might be able to get some fake psuedo "i dont care about gays and trannies" bullshit that makes white bisexuals vote red, but just like with all of the naturalized immigrant trumpies who believed they were safe, it falls apart immediately under any power

>>40313096
NTA but it's right tho. Muslims are assaulting women and LGBT people and it's growing year by year. We have to deport all muslims and ban Islam.

>>40313135
No, it's mostly muslims and (in my case, spain) latin Americans.

>>40313149
>The Blatant fucking Jew starts posting

Holy shit kys literally kike. Fuck all Abrahamic religions especially yours

>>40313174
I am not a jew. I hate jews. My Country (Spain) expelled jews and muslims in the 15th century, and we should do it again. Spqin is only for Spaniards.

>>40313232
But Muslims are the problem huh. Sure thing buddy

>>40313266
Yes they are. They steal, they assault, they leave trash in the streets. Muslims are Uncivilized, not unlike gypsies, but worse...

>>40313277
>gypsies
You live in a retardville that marginalizes the lower class and you blame anyone but yourself. You still think Roma are anything but a marginalized lower class that your country socially prosecutes. And then you cant keep the same face for your own shitbreath community. Hang yourself on a doorknob tonight.

>>40313328
No, thank you. Gypsies don't even scholarize their kids even if the Government pays them to do it. They should be expelled from Europe in addition to muslims.

>>40313347
>Gypsies don't even scholarize their kids even if the Government pays them to do it
Jfc. Your government should do the same to you. You low fucking IQ nigger. You dont even understand how you contradict yourself.

>>40313363
No. They are the ones breaking social order. They are the ones who don't belong here.

>>40313380
>Escape Indias lower caste system
>Gets marginalized out of any community
>Has to find sanctity in the streets and succumbs to lower class instincts
>People like you only offer zero constructive solutions
>"Why cant they just lift themselves by their bootstraps?"

You are the epitome of a fucking Nigger

>>40313174
t. anti-white libshit

>>40313420
They have been around for almost 500 years already and they have no interest in assimilating and integrating. They have had an opportunity. Not the window is closed, and they should go away. Perhaps India will take them up again. Maybe Pakistan? The Congo? I don't care.

The Euro right wing has been pro-LGB for decades because they are liberals
I remember when the Euro (Maoist) left hated the gays and called homosexuality a bourgeois disease

>>40313420
nta but
>Escape Indias lower caste system
they were in that caste for a reason
>succumbs to lower class instincts
they are low IQ and can't help themselves, educating blacks hasn't worked either

>>40312992
like i said schizophrenia and irrelevant stats that mean nothing to the conversation

>>40311635 (OP)
Right wing parties in my countries import muslims en masse anyway, lol.

>>40313521
I'm so sorry, that's beyone cucked. Every country should have an anti inmigration party

>>40313428
More like Pro-human biden + trump voter lmfao. Eat a brick Abraham

>>40313541
bro said cucked like he dosent jerk off to his wife getting railed by his old high school bully

>>40312593
>also no sandniggers
In the last 7 years Poland let in literally millions of brows and/or muslims into EU. Both the previous right wing gov and the current centre* gov are dead set on suppressing wages via immigration.

*Which in current political climate of Pooland gets called "radical left", lol.

>>40313572
I'm trans btw

>>40313591
i am an equal opportunity abuser trans people can be fucking stupid to

>>40313604
ok. Still voting PP though.

>>40313615
how about you vote for someone who will get you some bitches

>>40313541
Italy anti-immigration party won the elections and a week ago Meloni agreed to give out hundreds of thousands of work visas.
It's all just talk. The businesses are lobbying for mass migration to keep wages low and every party agrees. The only difference is that lefty ones also accept refugees.

I think only Denmark and maybe Finland don't flood their countries with browns because they got spooked by what happened to Sweden.

>>40313630
Bitches are for the mundane. I seek Plato and Aristotle. But how about you go get bitches instead? Maybe then you won't say stupid things about countries you don't know

>>40313649
Maybe it's time for a real anti-immigration party by the people for the people.

>>40313105
read the fucking op you cretin

>>40313137
you too

>>40313135
what's the point of a snarky comment like this? What do you plan to say after I respond by telling you that the only white people who've cat called me was drunkards out pubs and the vast majority of people who've catcalled me were people who very obviously 2nd/3rd generation immigrants?

>>40313541
Why should every country have a retardation party?

>>40311635 (OP)
I don’t like brown savages

>>40313695
i mean the pro immigrant people need someone to keep them in check, just like how if we only had green parties industry would tank even if we still need to protect the environment

>>40313669
okay cuckold the lion does not concern himself of the opinions of the cucked

>>40313704
idk none of the anti immigration parties I’ve seen seem to keep anything in check. If anything, they just make pro-immigrant people more radical in their positions by being full of open racists and anyone who is not an open racist wants to be as far from them as possible. Which is stupid, but eh what can you do?

>>40313688
>what's the point of a snarky comment like this? What do you plan to say after I respond by telling you that the only white people who've cat called me was drunkards out pubs and the vast majority of people who've catcalled me were people who very obviously 2nd/3rd generation immigrants?
Do you think your personal expirience in (((Europe))) supercedes the systematic violence of white Christians on LGBT people lmfao?

Im a white (Christian family) American, and its not Muslims that are fucking with my way of life. Does my expirience supercede yours?

>>40313709
ok foreigner I don't care

>>40312749
That's not going to work anon, the rightoids were always going to turn on you when a crisis hit. There is no stable right wing pro LGBT politics because as I partially explained earlier, the literal entire point of right wing thought is to rank order people based on how not 'normal' they are and exclude anyone too far out of bounds. There's no appeal to being right wing if you don't have an other to hate and fear. I'm kind of baffled you've fallen so hard for the line that le hecking refugees are the number one threat to your rights. You do realize that there are not going to be fewer of them in the future, right? Climate change is going to create way more of them, IMO you're much better off trying to win that constituency as a coalition partner than the people who 10 years from now will become hitlerites literally no matter what you do.

>>40313744
people who pride themselves on where they are born are the most fickle humans ever your world view crumbles if you were born in a different place caring about where you were born is the most retarded shit ever

>>40313776
ok foreigner :thumbs up emoji:
>>40313771
Anti-immigration is also a left sentiment. I have many friends who are leftists and against immigrants, against muslims and moros.

>>40313788
im also not a foreigner lmfao not that it matters

>>40313800
You are are foreigner

>>40313788
cope if they are anti immigration they arent leftists. i really do hope you get over your ridiculous levels of self hate its so obvious from how you talk

>>40313788
>Anti-immigration is also a left sentiment
Chauvinism and opportunism are nothing new to the left anywhere lol, the 2nd international famously imploded because everyone decided that actually WW1 was a defensive war so sending millions of workers to go kill each other for capitalists and kings was somehow an acceptable 'left' position.

>>40313804
and why do you say that? i might be a foreign to your country but i was born in the country i live in

>>40313684
That's what they all say. Which is easy because they're usually the opposition and not the government.
But each time they get to rule, they import browns.
Look how Trump made a huge spectacle out of deporting migrants while still choking the labour force with street shitters.

>>40313808
>>40313812
They have always been leftists. Pro trans, pro gay marriage, pro abortion, pro worker unions, and Anti immigration.
I'm sorry that you are stupid and don't get it.

Look, it's simple. Europe belongs to Europeans, not muslims, indians, gypsies or whatever else comes here.

>>40313844
Europeans can be muslims, or indians, or gypies :)

>>40313820
In your country do what you want. In my country my people will do what we want.
You shouldn't be angry about it. We live in a democracy.

>>40313844
you are a feckless rube with a fickle world view and a misunderstanding of leftism i hope you can patch up the mistreatment that led to your current awful behavior and self hatred projection hatred of a group of people you have never met

>>40313739
>Im a white (Christian family) American, and its not Muslims that are fucking with my way of life. Does my expirience supercede yours?
thanks for telling me that your post is utterly irrelevant to this conversation

>NA anons who don't have to deal with mass immigration from 3rd world islamist strongholds need not respond

now please shut the fuck up and stop telling us Europeans who are dealing with a completely different problem than you what to do, you will never understand the danger that european LGBT people are in, and by trying to influence the narrative with your well-meaning but ignorant takes, you are actively endangering anons on this board

>>40313844
>they have always been leftists
Yeah and so had all the leftists who embraced their country's cause in WW1. As I said, chauvinism and opportunism are dangers to all left projects.
>europe belongs to europeans
Whatever happened to Proletarier aller Länder, vereinigt euch?

>>40313861
No they can't. Europeans people of Christian heritage whose families have been living in Europe for thousands of years. Gypsies came 5 centuries ago but remain not integrated, so they are not europeans. The rest are clearly not europeans.

>>40313876
Awww, is that seethe? Maybe you'll learn to love your Country in the future, man. Nothing to do with hate. Some people just don't belong in certsin places. Europeans belong to Europe. Africans to Africa. Indians to India. Japanese to Japan. And they ahould stay there.

>>40313881
Im in Arizona you fucking nitwit. You're the one who doesnt know jack shit about immigration. Absolute retard

What would you say to a brown immigrant trannies looking to escape their shitholes?

>>40313887
Your mistake makes you think that cultural and ethnical homogeneity is incompatible with leftist projects. Wrong.

>>40313916
>Im in Arizona you fucking nitwit. You're the one who doesnt know jack shit about immigration. Absolute retard
And what does that does have to do with european specifically taking in literal millions of refugees from islamist strongholds? My personal experience, the statistics, and the anecdotes of others all indicate that these refugees represent a grave threat to LGBT rights.

>>40313930
Only case where I think refugee status should be allowed

>>40313930
You should go to another brown shithole

>>40313105

>>40313984
How did they get data from France?

>>40313942
What, only for trannies and not for anything else? If a government is using chemical weapons on its own citizens, they should suck it up and die, but trannies are okay to flee?

>>40313935
>cultural and ethnical homogeneity is incompatible with leftist projects
Yawn. We've all seen where socialism in one country leads, that was very clearly a dead end. So sure it's compatible with left projects that have failed or that are doomed to failure. The same was true of defencism. If you're pretending that internationalism = 250+ ethnically and culturally homogenous polities that never seriously mix internationally then hey maybe that could have worked had glorious Evropa and its offshoots not spent the last four centuries raping and plundering the globe while spewing carbon into the atmosphere at rates that have ensured a rise in migration rates through the rest of this century. But we don't live in that world anonymous. We make our own history, but we do not make it as we choose. We operate at all times in conditions passed down from the past to the present, conditions that create a gradient of possibilities. That is historical materialism.

>>40313996
INSEE

>>40314002
Your model of reality is obsolete, broken, and unable to correctly predict it.

PD: There is no "left" or "right". People just have ideas, and you can just mix and match.

>>40314000
LGBT people yes, and maybe would-be political prisoners, and probably a few exceptions, basically, anyone who we can reasonably believe to integrate in the west

>If a government is using chemical weapons on its own citizens, they should suck it up and die
Nice attempt at testing my resolve but yes
Europe is literally on the verge of balkanization, taking in any more refugees will lead to deaths and misery anyway.
And before you accuse me of racism, I'd also say this about russians too, who I view as being far more culturally similar but still too backwards to live in western Europe.

>>40313909
lol

>>40314000
No, I think if a country is gassing others, a second country could maybe use military force to destroy that government and put a puppet in charge.

And, in all cases, refugee status must be temporary, unable to transform into citizenship, and with frequent reviews.

>>40314025
>your model of reality is broken because I am a nihilistic opportunist who doesn't care about ideology or coherence
That's very nice Benito, but while people like you were a surprise the first time we've since figured out where you come from and how to stop you. The main problem is getting everyone else on board.

>>40314027
yeah fair enough, having gay sex is more important than not being killed by chemical weapons

>>40314058
Lmao. You're so naive. You have figured out nothing. Even Slavoj Zizek is saying historical materialism was wrong.

Keep waiting, lil man, keep waiting.

>>40313420
jeets bring caste with them and are open about it

>>40311635 (OP)
>European right wing parties could easily bring a significant percentage of LGBT voters to their side by just staying neutral on the LGBT topics and focusing on immigration instead

this doesnt make sense because they same logic and reasons that make white nationalist rightoids afraid of brown people also makes them afraid of LGBT people. One might be the focus at any given moment, but the moment either are perceived to be more accepted or have gained some sort of rights, they'll just be the focus of fascists next. The reason the vast majority of LGBT people vote for left parties is because its actually pretty obvious that all our struggles for rights are connected and that we have more to gain from fighting rightoids trying to oppress us than we do from fighting each other

>>40313328
>You still think Roma
Just say gypsy you terminally online retarded faggot, that's what most of them have actually called themselves for hundreds of years. It didn't start being considered "offensive" until dipshits on twitter who have no association with them started claiming it was so they could have another thing to be mad about.

>>40314115
>they same logic and reasons that make white nationalist rightoids afraid of brown people also makes them afraid of LGBT people
False
>of brown people also makes them afraid of LGBT people. One might be the focus at any given moment, but the moment either are perceived to be more accepted or have gained some sort of rights, they'll just be the focus of fascists next
False
>its actually pretty obvious that all our struggles for rights are connected
False
>we have more to gain from fighting rightoids trying to oppress us than we do from fighting each other
False
0/4

>>40314103
>Even Slavoj Zizek is saying historical materialism was wrong
Zizek is (despite what he may say) a postmodernist, so of course he says that. It's a bit charming to see him held up as some sort of pope of marxism but I don't know why you see him that way.
>keep waiting
That's not what historical materialism is about lol.

>>40314115
How interesting, now face the wall

>>40314131
Yeah, sure, whatever. Just keep waiting. 2 more weeks, actually. Lmao.

>>40314142
Waiting for what? A revolutionary opportunity? I've already seen 2 come and go in my lifetime, but there was no left organization capable of meeting the moment. I'm working to build one so that when we get the chance we can win, that's not 'waiting' for anything lmao. I'm not some Socialist Party of Italy doofus in 1919 who thinks the revolution just magically happens, someone needs to declare it and there need to be organized institutions of working class power capable of leading it. Historical materialism is not 'capitalism will just cause a revolution through spontaneity lmao.'

>>40314080
First you reduced the argument to emotional extremes, and now you're strawmanning me lmao

It's not about "gay sex", it's about not letting our values be eroding by people who would bully us into submission, it's not just about LGBT rights, but also women's rights, freedom of religion and democractic values, i.e western values.

Before you make another stupid appeal to emotion, let me make it clear, if I had to choose between a trillion people dying in the most horrible way conceivable as a result of their own idiotic leaders. Or having my pleasant liberal culture erased and replaced with a totalitarian theocratic fascist ideology, I'd choose the former in a heart beat. Us Europeans have fought for millenniums to earn our liberal way of life.

Likewise I wouldn't expect them to do the same for us.

>>40314236
HEARTFELT TRVKE.

>>40314183
2 more weeks. Just, just 2.

>>40314236
>Us Europeans have fought for millenniums to earn our liberal way of life.
lol
lmao

Yuroniggers would still be bombing their entire continent into oblivion and starting over every other Thursday if they hadn't all disarmed and collectively decided to just let the Americans be their babysitters after "We Partied Too Hard 2: Hitler Edition"

>>40313587
>millions
oh number of given visas in last 7 years was pretty insane, tho getting into poland is not really working and living here, and the muslim countries were from southeast asia I think

like we got many ukrainians for sure and even with them we are monoethnic af

legal working foreigners numbers are like 1.2 million and 2/3 of that are ukrainians so yes we don't have many sandniggers

>>40314115
>this doesnt make sense because they same logic and reasons that make white nationalist rightoids afraid of brown people also makes them afraid of LGBT people.

wrong, the new wave european "right-wingers" are just people who frusrated with basically every single major political party promising to reduce immigration and then doing fuck all about it, and now we ethnic ghettos all over the map, who reproduce at a massively higher rate than europeans AND instill their islamist idealogies into their children.

this shouldn't even be considered right wing, it should be a bipartisan issue that everyone can agree is suicidal, I'm left learning in basically every other regard and most educated people I know who've taken a turn to the "far right" are the same as me.

>>40314283
TrVkE.

>>40314008
I thought french government doesn't gather racial data.

>>40314283
i mean no the new wave of european right-wingers are just straight up white nationalist fascists lmao. Right wingers love to complain about brown people migrating to their countries after they spent 150+ years colonizing and pillaging those very same countries. And at the end of the day I'd MUCH rather (and do) live next to immigrants who for the most part are friendly or mind their own business instead of white rightoids who think its their business to tell everyone else how to live

>>40314617
>white nationalist fascists
No. Europe doesn't have "white nationalists", that's just american stuff because Americans don't have a culture, they are a soulless husk. Europeans have ethno-nationalists, which defend the native population.

>>40314617
>after they spent 150+ years colonizing
I know this might be difficult to understand with a sub-30 IQ, but nobody who colonized Africa is still alive. Wanting to prevent the current destruction of your own country that you were born and grew up in by horrible immigration policy does not make someone a racist just because several generations ago primitive racist people did bad things to long-dead brown people.

>>40314642
>Americans don't have a culture
Our culture is having europeans faggots obsess over us 24/7, thank you for supporting my culture.

>>40314659
That's not a culture.

>>40314236
This entire topic is emotion. I don’t see how it is strawmanning. I just found it funny you uniquely want to protect LGBT people over any other refugee, even ones facing more dangers. There isn’t really any point in arguing about it though, since we disagree at such a fundamental level. Enjoy fantasizing about killing trillions I guess.

>>40314669
Okay bigot

>>40314681
>bigot

>>40314236
>Nuke the brownoids, IDGAF
dangerously based there, homo

>>40314280
Yea, Poland fortunately didn't end up like Sweden, Germany, or France yet, lots of those "workers" to whom my gov gave visas just used my country as a stepping stone to Western Yurop.

Now Germans are trying to send back some of them back to us and the right wing party that got them to EU in the first place is crying crocodile tears how the current government has leaky borders.

>>40314693
tranner*
i'm a tranny and my experience with muslim men has pushed me this far

>>40314770
Tranny just means retarded homo, but thanks for clarifying homo. Continue being based.

>>40311635 (OP)
They won't bring a significant vote to their party other than gays realistically, even then gays realise they'll be next on the chopping block for rights, it would be great to live in a religion free country without having non-EU migration, I don't mind European at all they tend to be a lot more accepting and understanding of sexuality and life, I do not want third world immigrants in my life, I have seen what they and billionaires have done to England and it's fucking awful, the only real solution to this is socialism with European values whilst removing religious nut jobs, but that is never going to happen because the soon you think of that you instantly think natsoc and nazis for obvious reasons, we have no way of winning, we need to accept minorities that will always hate us and will happily remove us when needs to be, also banding all minorities together with LGBT is so backwards, my sexuality does not correlate with your skin colour & your religion.

>Nuke England and restart with European only LGBT ppl

>>40311635 (OP)
Or left wing parties can do like denmark and say fuck immigration and suddenly become popular again, the only country in europe where right isnt on the rise.
Leftist politicians have betrayed the world by being tricked into being pro-immigration. Immigration is bad for local workers, thus it is bad for the people. Historically right wingers have been stronger on immigration because they want to exploit cheap labor.

>>40314646
oh ok i see well if history doesnt matter none of the people who founded "your" country are still alive, so I dont see why you have any special right to it. Either way immigrants are straight-up improving countries by replacing people like you

>>40314820
This. All left wing parties would immediately win again if they became anti inmigration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf-k6qOfXz0

>Open Borders? That's a Koch Brothers Proposal
>That's a right-wing proposal. It would make everybody in your country poorer. You're doing away with the concept of a nation state. I don't think there's any country in the world which believes in that. If you believe in a nation state, you have an obligation to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open border policy. Bring in all kinds of people who work for 2 or 3 dollars and hour, it'll be great for them. I don't believe in that.

>>40314115
Foreigners literally want to murder you for existing.
Stop thinking its the same as you not wanting them as your neighbour.

>>40314824
>none of the people who founded "your" country are still alive, so I dont see why you have any special right to it
The huge chunk of every paycheck I've ever earned that was taken by the government that's supposed to act in my interests is what gives me special right to it, faggot. Hurry up and get murdered by the thirdies you want to protect so bad tranny.

>>40314642
lmao oh so "ethno-nationalists" obviously have a problem with white people from other european countries coming to their country right? English tabloids are fear mongering about French, Norwegian, German immigrants right?? Lmao get out of here, what these "ethno-nationalists" are scared of is brown people, making them white nationalists

>>40314824
>Either way immigrants are straight-up improving countries by replacing people like you
Not MENA. I love asian and european immigrants because they work and try to integrate, thats about it. Everyone else can stay where they are.

>>40314824
Please show the immigrants improving said country? People now are not responsible for colonising 300 years ago

>>40314892
>so "ethno-nationalists" obviously have a problem with white people from other european countries coming to their country right?
Yes. Here in my country we hate Brits, Germans, Russians, that come and retire here. Spain is for Iberians.

>>40314892
>English tabloids are fear mongering about French, Norwegian, German immigrants right??
Well they behave... unlike the average eritrean and arab.

>>40312248
>>40312343
>>40312481
>>40312569
Are you or were you ever a Muslim?

>>40314904

>>40314948
Those are European immigrants though aka civilized people. But anyways, even being European, the America experiment is a complete Failure. Americans have no culture. Americans are vain, materialistic, have no taste for beauty. It's an ugly "anything goes" disgusting country.

so is there a legit reason why I (a tranny) should want refugees that have the opinion that trannies should die to come to my country just cos the country they came from is unsafe
cos I didn't read all the thread, but what it usually is sounds like;
>immigrants good cos the right wing is worse
>islam bad but also christianity
like, there's currently no winning
but bringing more brown people that stand around in the middle of town and decry people not of their religion is prolly worse than dealing with the enemy I know
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYkJDCRtnvE
Like, I wanna be the pro palastine lgbt bitch at pride, I don't like being unsympathetic, but seeing shit like this makes it fuking hard ;-;

>>40314980
>is there a legit reason why I (a tranny) should want refugees that have the opinion that trannies should die to come to my country just cos the country they came from is unsafe
No. Immigrants should stay in their home countries and improve it.

>>40314948
>European immigration over 100 years ago to a rapidly industrializing US is the same as uneducated impoverished violent religious extremists flooding the streets of europe to collect welfare checks and rape any white woman they can get their hands on

>>40314948
>implying this was an improvement
Whole continent's lousy with Irish now god damn it

>>40314271
It must be so sad to being this committed to ignorance, I wish you the best nonny.

>>40314920
No I just happen to feel empathy for people

>>40315130
Cool, so I am an ex-Muslim and I have no empathy or sympathy for people who believe that I should be killed.

>>40315130
>"UH, I'm something known as an EMPATH sweaty"
>completely ignores the plight of native populations being displaced and victimized by mass immigration policies

>>40315066
2. More. Weeks.

>>40315148
you are just islamophobic, admit it

>>40311635 (OP)
Anyone who's not radically anti-islam, is anti-LGBT. Anyone who doesn't understand this, has brain damage.

>>40315148
I dont give a fuck you retarded Larper. No ones personal expirience can supercede the facts you dipshit

>>40313739

>>40315174
There is no such thing as an irrational fear of islam. It doesn't exist.

>>40312509
Turning "sane immigration policy" into an extremist far-right issue is among the most retarded thing lefties have ever done, because it pushes huge numbers of normal rational moderate people to vote for insane people who actively hate women and homos, even though the voters themselves don't really care about what homos do, but they consider it more important to make sure their country still exists than to make sure some trannies can be called ma'am while using the bathroom.

>Be racist European
>"Immigrants are making me poor! >:("
>Vote for right wing and centrist parties that dismantle and privatize public goods

How about some working class solidarity anons? Maybe brown people aren't the problem but soulless corporations and capitalists who outsource jobs both domestically and internationally to the most desperate people are actually our real problem

>>40315198
You are a blatant shill, no thinks the bullshit you say, therefore nothing you say has any value.

this thread (and the other ones recently) goes to show why radical leftism is an idiotic idealogy, it's demands are so extreme and in practice, contradictory, that even trannies have started turning on it, it has an extremely idealistic and simplistic view of human nature which is why is crashes so hard on impact with reality.

>>40315198
what "fact" you idiot? The countless ones you've ignored in this thread?

>>40315198
You have no "empathy for people" considering you're willing to dismiss my lived experience and my truth in favor of your Islamofascist worldview.

>>40313739
kys american, we hate your kind around here

>>40315167
>>completely ignores the plight of native populations being displaced and victimized by mass immigration policies

>Rarely native populations
>Offers 0 solutions other than completely fucking them over
>Sometimes will even raid their homelands, causing the immigration issue

wow ur such an empath anon

>>40315208
capitalism is good, mass immigration is destructive, and you're retarded

>>40315208
why don't you start by reading OP first? Maybe then you'd understand that this isn't about racism but rational and justified fear high violent crime rates perpetuated by refugees in europe specifically

>>40315246
native in the sense that actually matters, not in the sense of
>my ancestors buttfucked pigs on this land 2000 years ago
you moron

>>40315238
holy based
we need more people like you to speak up and less brainrot bluesky white guilt crisis idiots

>>40315238
pathetic larp, post with timestamp (you wont) cause your a sad rightwinger

>>40315268
check out r/exmuslim

>>40315238
Its literally a logical fallacy you fucking child

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

>>40313739
>the systematic violence of white Christians on LGBT people
doesn't exist, muslims do literally behead you faggots on camera and post it on the internet though

>>40315275
how about you post your nose instead huh? And your family history. Post hand too.

>>40315264
Lol keep chimping out you stupid fucking monkey
>>40315280
HOLY EVEN MORE BASED

>>40315280
accusing someone of commiting a fallacy without explaining why said fallacy invalidates their argument is called "the fallacy fallacy"

your arguments are so fucking idiotic that I refuse to believe you're an adult, leave this website now LMAO

>>40315280
>logical fallacy!
You must be +18 to use this website.

>>40315301
Isnt that what the site is for you tryhard retard? lmfaooo

>>40315298
>I'll just accuse my opponent of being mad because he pointed out what I said was idiotic, that'll show him!
Fuck off retard.

>>40315333
Bazinga! Back to r3ddit with you kid

>>40315280
You're actually committing what's known as the "faggot fallacy" wherein you act like a fucking faggot and it makes everything you say false by association.

>>40315258
>"im not a racist"
>posts racist fearmongering

>>40315130
Empathy is when you let the muslims into your country and tolerate their bullshit until your life is worse, such a backwards to view things, I would happily deport every single abrahamic retard in a heartbeat if possible, I would also ban anyone from non-EU if they slow the slightest bit of retardation

>>40315357
>literal factual hard data is racist fearmongering
okay Imam

>>40311635 (OP)
you are stupid and should feel bad about yourself

>>40315357
It's not racist fearmongering. It's well-stablished facts. But it's okay, you don't get it. Maybe you need a pack of feral arabs to rape you to finally understand it.

>>40315246
>your ancestors were not native, they displaced and killed the neandathrals who originally lived here, therefore you must be okay with 3rd world refugees doing to the same to you!

i'm sorry, i'm confused now, are you for or against displacing ethnic populations? Because if it's the latter then you shouldn't be in favour of this level of cultural erasure induced by immigration

>>40315333
no, that website teaches you what logical fallacies are so you know how to make sound arguments and recognise unsound arguments, logical fallacies aren't some kind of gotcha, they're a tool to be used to understand why some arguments are poorly made.

point is, you still need to do labour of actually understanding what's wrong about your opponent's arguments beyond "hehe this is x fallacy!", after all, it's entirely possible to argue a correct position through logical fallacies
"I know the sun is bad for you because I stared at it went blind!"
"umm you commited a heckin' anecdote fallacy!"

>>40315357
How is fearmongering when these things happen daily, are we seriously meant to ignore thing and watch as our rights go down the drain to appease Abdul and billionaires?

>>40315377
>It's not racist fearmongering
>Maybe you need a pack of feral arabs to rape you to finally understand it.

>>40315376
and why is that anon

>>40315333
Well then thank god I turned 27 today
>>40315291
>Every fucking thread on this board is white teens bitching about being prejudiced and prosecuted by their Christian peers and political leaders
Literally just quit being fucking hyperbolic. The fucking Pulse shooting was a white dude. Again, picrel is relevant to you, genuinely, very low intelligence people. You people are not any fucking better.
>>40315264
Youre literally just admitting your not native, and seething about it. Lol.

>>40315379
cope

>>40315397
isolated incidents of bad things happening are not "systematic violence" retard

>>40313984
many of those will troon out though

>>40315397
Well, of course native populations have crime. Always have, always will. But immigrants bring much more crime, and bring sharia, rape, trashy streets, etc.

Believe me, if I could deport native criminals, I would!

>>40315291
isolated incidents of bad things happening are not "systematic violence" retard

>>40315430
except most if not all muslims are criminals (and don't pay taxes, and bring incompatible culture)

>>40315275
>>40315397
Okay.

>>40315280
Retard, I wasn't even making an argument. I am speaking, from a matter of rational self-interest, that I DO NOT care if the people that want to see me dead, are dying.

>>40315462
Unfathomably BASED, keep up the fight against the islamic invader

>>40315428
>Believe me, if I could deport native criminals, I would!
This is the cruz of you peoples logic.

You think getting rid of a population of people is what will get rid of this crime of taking advantage of your state or system, but it won't. Historically its what exasperates the systems demise and accelerated its destruction. Crime will always exist, so you have to find a productive way of dealing with it, not a destructive way of avoiding it. Saying "deport all these kinds of people" is not only isnt productive, its a moving target you can never accomplish.

Stop falling for Trumps.

>>40315397
Have you thanked Israel on october 7th for finally giving you a personality? Dumb palesnigger

>>40315397
>>Every fucking thread on this board is white teens bitching about being prejudiced and prosecuted by their Christian peers and political leaders
Yeah, well the gay brownoids might have a hard time posting pity threads on r/elgeebeetee after being set on fire by family members.

>>40315390
>>40315357
https://rmx.news/article/germany-proportion-of-crimes-committed-by-migrants-surges-according-to-police-data/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

>fearmongering!!!!

random statistic I found on the first page of google

While making up only 12 percent of the population, the proportion of foreigners among criminal suspects was 37 percent. In the case of murder, that proportion was even higher, with nearly 40 percent of suspects listed as “immigrants”.

Germany also saw an increase in sexual crimes in 2019, with 8,189 suspects listed as “non-German”, representing more than one in three sexual crimes (36 percent).

Of the 699,261 non-German suspects, approximately 38 percent were listed as people “with a migrant background,” according to statistics. Non-Germans with German passports made up most of the rest of suspects from that total.

Although overall crime is down in 2019, serious crimes like murder, sexual crimes, and grievous bodily harm all dramatically increased. Many crimes go unreported and according to the report, only 56 percent of crimes are solved, which means many suspects remain unidentified.


MAYBE IF YOU RETARDED FUCKING BLUESKY WHITE GUILT CRISIS CRETINS WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE FUCKING DATA, YOU TOO WOULD START "FEARMONGERING"

>>40315462
>>40315476
Samefag

LGBT + white nationalism + robust social safety net to promote the arts = utopia. every race/ethnicity/whatever grouping should do the same and then we would all be able to unite on equal footings as a unified world and build the liberal internationalist fantasy 'they' wish for us but without 'them' at the head splitting apart and exploiting the various other races. they can refer to jews, evangelicals, islamists, open border neoliberals, etc

>>40315481
>Crime will always exist, so you have to find a productive way of dealing with it, not a destructive way of avoiding it.
Okay. What about slave work camps instead?

>>40315462
It's crazy I've met two Malays in my life one was a flamer who was fucking hilarious and great to be around the other was a Muslim retard, would happily live around you than 99% of the retards in this world

>>40315503
Embarrasing

>>40315497
>MAYBE IF YOU RETARDED FUCKING BLUESKY WHITE GUILT CRISIS CRETINS WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE FUCKING DATA, YOU TOO WOULD START "FEARMONGERING"
>"Why are poor people more violent?"

We understand the fucking data bro. Its your propaganda that you push into it that no one can get behind.

>>40315514
Youre a fucking walking talking garbage can and should be taken out like one. I loke 50 miles away from the old Japanese internment camps in Az. You will burn in Hell.

>>40315525
>ctrl-q
>inspect element
>delete (you)
I would expect as much from the guy who thinks their personal shitty opinions are more valuable than an entire history of people.

>>40315530
>Youre a fucking walking talking garbage can and should be taken out like one. I loke 50 miles away from the old Japanese internment camps in Az. You will burn in Hell.

>>40315530
don't "bro" me, you're the "man on estrogen", I'm the person who's been living as a woman for 9 years now. Explains why you're so utterly unsympathetic towards women and trans rights.

>>40315545
>Inspect element
>On a phone
low iq

>>40315545
>ctrl-q
>on mobile

>>40315554
>Explains why you're so utterly unsympathetic towards women and trans rights.
Holy fucking straw man

>>40315560
>>40315565
Okay. Edit pic, copy color, and color over (you). Not much harder. Dont believe everything you read on the internet, kids.

>>40315579
>schizo rationalizing weird insane shit to call someone a samefag, because multiple people think he's a moron

>>40315397
>>Every thread on this board is whites bitching about being prosecuted by Christians
>>The fucking Pulse shooting was a white dude
>>low intelligence
>>You people are not any fucking better

>comes into thread with "EU LGBT" in the title
>BUT IN AMERICA THE CHRISITANS ARE BAD
>YOU'RE ALL LOW IQ

idk babe, I understand that America has a christian facist problem but I think you're missing the point of the thread by comparing them to the issues with immigration from arab countries in EU
like, both can be bad yk

>>40315545
how many fucking times are you going to say "personal ancedotes" when countless statistics have been posted in this thread? you're literally holding onto the "gotcha" that you think you have because there exists no argument that can possibly justify your position in the face of the overwhelming evidence that refugees are causing a crisis in western europe.

>>40315573
yes, you are! You don't care if trannies get attacked in the streets or islamists parties form and start voting with the conservatives to repeal abortion laws (a parliamentary system is not something you'd understand as an Arizonan anyway), you just want to infect people living in another continent facing a crisis that you will never be affected by because your brain is muddled by white guilt.

>>40315579
Sure thing, hackerman. What ever you say bro. Just let malay queen speak.

>>40315497
im glad chat gpt gave retards like you the power to reddit post. anyways crime rate in impoverished communities have always been higher, and crimes in urban areas are much more reported on. Sexual crimes also includes sex work/prostitution, which is why trannies and people with tenuous legal status have higher rates of it. The fact is that the type of sexual crime white rightoids worry about (white women getting raped by strangers) is exceedingly rare. More often then not police have a racial bias which also contributes to these statistics. At the end of the day though, the type of right wing parties that rightoids elect aren't really interested in any rape prevention policies or measures and only pay lip service to the issue in order to fear monger about brown people

>>40315622
Nope. Immigrants commit many times more time than poor natives. Why? Because they are barbarians.

>>40315645
Yes, but this difference somehow vanishes when you adjust for age/gender, crazy!

>>40315622
Hilarious how many mental gynamstics you can pull out to justify migrants overwhelming represented in violent and sexual crime statistics.

Clearly no matter how much data and evidence we spoonfeed you, you'll always find some way to dismiss it

And if we linked anecdotes or stories such as: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1atbtmhgg you'd acuse of anecdote fallacy

So instead, I'll ask you a simple thought experiment.

If you took *a lot* of progressives from Massachussets and put them in Arizona, do you think that Arizona would become less progressive, more progressive, or remain the same?

Now, if you took tens of millions of people from ultraconservative theocratic fascist islamist strongholds, and put them in western europe, what do you think will happen to the culture of Europe?

The "Palestine" orbiter who claimed to have "empathy", who was so flabbergasted at my views, who then demanded for a picture of my passport with a timestamp, is now silent and resorting to childish "samefag" accusations.

>>40315653
thank god this fucking cretin failed 20 times
hope he drowns on his 21st attempt

>>40315595
Its like 5 racist faggots here and me and 2 other people. I know you people agree with each other. /Lgbt/ has a bad habit of not calling out samefags (every single trip here makes threads ahout themselves). I am wrong and I humbly hang my head in shame. Now you hang your fucking heads too.

>>40315603
read
>>40315481
(also *crux)

>>40315604
>how many fucking times are you going to say "personal ancedotes"
Because thats all it ever fucking was. Its dipshit Abrahamics playing religion like its a sport. You people pick and choose atrocities, historical events, religious practices and try to say that somehow, some way, these people are exceptionally different than us and have motivations far more evil than we do.

Its just hyperbolic and bullshit, every time. I do not care about some Jewish college students shitty polling/"research" that was literally funded by the fucking CIA. Everyone is biased.
>>40315604
>you're literally holding onto the "gotcha" that you think you have because there exists no argument that can possibly justify your position in the face of the overwhelming evidence that refugees are causing a crisis in western europe.
Im trying to discuss you points, but more holistically. I think I explained pretty good why here and in my previous post here. If I was a boring enough loser, I could find an equal amount of evidence about Christians and Jews
>>40315481

>You don't care if trannies get attacked in the streets or islamists parties form and start voting with the conservatives to repeal abortion laws (a parliamentary system is not something you'd
How can you preach about statistics, and then repeatedly go back to you personal expiriences? If you wanted to be accurate, and treat this like a competitive territory based game, this is a flawed way of thinking. Thats why its a logical fallacy.

>>40315691
It does not.

>>40315622
>it's okay that the streets are being flooded with foreign religious extremists who hate me and want to rape and murder 24/7 cause they're poor, and poor people just literally can't help raping and murdering, anyway free palestine.

>>40315604
>you just want to infect people living in another continent facing a crisis that you will never be affected by because your brain is muddled by white guilt.
No I really dont. I think its fine to have closed borders and whatever kind of State definition you want. I think getting rid of Immigrants that have already come, and developed a life there (you may not like it), need to fucking stay or else you are causing and extreme disruption to the community at large. Trumps mass deportation will be a net negative.

If you want a constructive solution, actually having a strong border and enforcing those laws is where you want to start. Now you're too late on the draw, and violently preaching about it.

>>40315721
No amount of yapping will change the fact that immigrants are a threat to Europe.

>>40315598
Read what I wrote faggot
>>40315745

What if instead of importing millions of refugees we just nuke Israel and solve the problem at the source

>>40315745
>I think getting rid of Immigrants that have already come, and developed a life there (you may not like it), need to fucking stay or else you are causing and extreme disruption to the community at large. Trumps mass deportation will be a net negative.
Pouring alcohol into a wound hurts at first but it's healthy in the long term.

>>40315748
Yadda yadda you'll rot too

>>40315758
Notice how you didnt say cut out the wound

>>40315745
>know a guy who lost his job and won't be able to afford rent
>offer to let him crash on my couch for a few weeks so he can find a new job
>he starts shitting in the kitchen sink, kills and eats my cats, and I wake up one day to him violently fucking my mouth
>Telling him to leave would disrupt the household too much though, so I can't do that.

>>40315745
You are correct, it's truly unfortunate that it's come to this. But there are so many 2nd generation immigrants in Europe at the minute that this problem is going to get much worse even with close borders immediately, there's literally a ticking timebomb within our borders already, there's no "good" solution to this problem but something needs to be done or otherwise things are going to get extremely bad.

And as the statistics in this thread have shown, 2nd generation immigrants are not protected against becoming both islamists and/or violent criminals.

This can't be compared to Trump deporting El Salvadorians or Mexicans who unlike our illegal immigrants, have skyrocketed the entire continent's violent crime rate.

>>40315745
>thread is about yuro migrant crisis
>literally can't stop talking about Trump though

>>40315784
>>40315745
I should clarify,
"young 2nd generation immigrants"
there are entire fucking schools where 95% of the population is 2nd generation immigrants, these people are all going to grow up in their ethnic ghettos and become a massive problem the liberal social democractic order that us westerners take for granted.

Far-righter here you are all fucking creeps and I dont want you near my family.

Hope this helps.

>>40315735
Damn some white trannies have some crazy fantasies. Nta but I’m a white tranny in a working class immigrant neighborhood in Chicago (a city in a country with a crime rate that makes europes look silly) and Ive never felt unsafe from immigrants or been under any threat of getting attacked or raped by a stranger. Your fear doesn’t justify being fascist

>>40315784
We can deport millions of immigrants to middle east via ships and trains. First, cut their access to services, forcing them to leave on their own means. Secondly, use police and army to get them and forcibly deport them.

>>40315784
>And as the statistics in this thread have shown, 2nd generation immigrants are not protected against becoming both islamists and/or violent criminals.
Holy shit let this go buddy. You cannot coddle statistics your entire fucking life, they are not bulletproof, you will learn this one day.

You newgen Convservakids are literally just early 2000s liberals jesus fucking christ.

>>40315810
t. far left transbian in a polycule

>>40315836
This LMAO, leave obvious false flag

>>40315721
>read
>American seething about europeans having negative experiences of muslims

Did I miss something??
or did you mean I'm one of the so called 5 racists who are samefagging, is that what you meant?
idk gl babe

>>40315735
lol im not saying there's anything wrong with poor people, just that the numbers rightoids use to justify their racism are dishonest. The real solution here is working class people coming together regardless of where they're from to take on the rich people who oppress all of us

>>40315820
na trannies who are not facing a european migrant crisis need not apply
you don't feel threatened by migrants because unlike france/germany/uk/netherlands/sweden/norway/belgium, the US doesn't take in millions of refugees, it takes in skilled workers.

>>40315861
>US doesn't take in millions of refugees, it takes in skilled workers.
Hahahahahahahhaha
The UK is a caliphate at this point

>>40315851
>be me, a retard
>read what anon says i said
>oh yes that is exactly what i what i said
>i retard more
>notices anon being very sincere and very good-faith
>wow they are being very genuine right now
>i retard harder
>confused anime girl pic
>i maximum retard

dude u got me

>>40315820
>and Ive never felt unsafe from immigrants
That's because your crime is all home-grown and nike branded, retard

>>40315902
Bodied that freak

>>40315833
>post anecodes (including from a literal proven ex-muslim)
umm anecdote fallacy??? teehee
>post statistics
stop coddling statistics
>post thought experiment
no response
>post opinions
debated endlessly with zero progress

just admit that nothing we say or show you will change your mind

>>40315856
>Just politely ask Ramjeet to kindly stop sodomizing your wife and join you in seizing the means of production
commies are so fucking retarded it hurts

>>40315872
>anon can't tell the difference between S and K
Dyslexia must suck bruh

>>40315913
Lmfao man I will literally talk to you on Discord about this.

That statistic thing just shocked me, you're treating statistics/science like it's God. I cant believe Im on the conservative side in that argument.

>>40315932
I mean the US is getting closer to a right-wing christian caliphate every day because of anti-immigrant retards

>>40315918
It's hilarious how I've literally never met a migrant who was a marxist or anything resembling a leftist, and yet marxists want to mass import them so they can go grow up and vote against them in elections lmao. This idealogy is suicidal in every way conceivable, suicidal for the people, suidical for the state, suicidal for the idealogy itself.

>>40315932
I think anon was agreeing with that person, laughing in agreement

>>40315945
US right wing cannot be compared to W.Europe right wing in any way conceivable

think of it this way anon, we want migrants out so we don't end up like the US with literal islamist interest groups funding politians to repeal basic women and LGBT protections

Is this Islam orbiter supposed "empath" really not going to respond to what I had to say? Even after I posted my passport with timestamp at his request.
I assumed he had some kind of argument but it seems like he doesn't.

>>40311635 (OP)
nigger please kys

>>40315966
His argument seems to be
>leave the heckin' rape gangs alone, they dindu nuffin you fascists!

>>40315891
>oh yes that is exactly what i what i said
yeah I quoted you in the first post

>notices anon being very sincere and very good-faith
<_<
>be me, a retard
>i retard more
>i retard harder
>i maximum retard
you're calling people retarded and then calling out argument terminology, that usually doesn't scream good faith ngl

>read what anon says i said
you respond so much it's hard to keep track, like either put on a trip or direct me to where you think you're being good faith

I think I was right about the American seething thing, soz for hitting a nerve ig
but legit, why come into a thread titled EU lgbt and then post your american experiences with muslims, how's that relevant, legit??

>>40315966
probably cutting himself in the bathroom because the argument got too stressful for him lmao

>>40315966
He will not respons to you because he doesn't have an answer. Your broke all his schemes.
>>40315965
>US right wing cannot be compared to W.Europe right wing in any way conceivable
TRVKE

>>40315952
Immigrants form the voting base for most "democratic socialists" in both the US and UK
ie: Jeremy Corbyn, Zarah Sultana, AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, zohran mamdani , Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush, Greg Casar. The only dem-socialist representing a non-immigrant community in the US is Bernie Sanders.

Given that dem-socialism isn't exactly the same thing as real socialism, immigrants generally form the backbone of western leftist movements

God damn, if this pro-islam schizo represents a significant portion of the tranny community, no wonder so many people want to wipe y'all out. I'm sorry to all the relatively sane troons out there, must suck to just want to wear dresses and cut your dick off in peace but be forcibly lumped in with retards like this guy.

>>40315984
>doesnt get it
lol autism

>>40316019
>candidates = voting base
holy kek, how retarded can you be?

>stop fearmongering about refugees!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Oslo_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Dresden_stabbing

>>40316019
>AOC
>immigrant
she was born in the Bronx, and so was her father you retard

>>40315965
What are u talking about, anti-immigrant christian fascists are the ones taking away women and lgbt rights. Muslims are literally electing Ilhan Omar, Zohran Mamdani, and Rashida Tlaib

>>40316055
i didnt say these were all immigrants, just that their voting bases are predominantly immigrant

>>40316019
how many times am I going to have to explain that this thread is specifically about REFUGEES FROM ISLAMIST STRONGHOLDS

>>40316075
being brown doesn't make people immigrants, retard

>>40316079
"REFUGEES FROM ISLAMIST STRONGHOLDS" are literally electing the most progressive politicians we have at least in the United States

>>40316025
this only happened because leftist political factions are also the ones defending LGBT rights, trannies feel as if they're supposed to be leftwing and then bend over backwards to defend every leftwing talking point

hence the message of OP

intersectionality is retarded, maybe there's some sense to it for women's rights, racism and LGBT rights, but fundamentalist islam has more in common with christofascism than it does the previously mentioned groups (yes I unfortunately know plenty of arabs who literally think black people are subhumans, this isn't even new either, the arabs had their own slave trade involving thousands sub-saharan africans who usually were treated horribly and often died in transport)

>>40316108
the US doesn't have a significant number of refugees from islamist strongholds. Nothing that is comparable to the situation in western europe.

the first tenant of progressivism should be "we cannot be tolerant of intolerance"

and it just so happens that refugees from morroco/afghanistan/syria and so on happen to be some of the most conservative and intolerant people on this planet.

Look, I just think we should sink immigrant boats before they land to Europe.

https://youtu.be/Rj-kyvocLQo?feature=shared

posting this vaguely unrelated but otherwise blackpilling trvthnvke

read the comments lol

>>40316197
based
maybe that'll encourage weirdos like >>40315653
to not bother in the future

I just had the greatest realization. We must stop Isrsel's war on Gaza so that we can deport the several million muslim immigrants to Gaza.

>>40316182
the bet that the western center-left made in accepting islamic immigrants was "we can turn islam gay faster than muslim fanatics can turn western countries islamic"
this is clearly succeeding in the US while having mixed results in europe. in the US, the problems with recent muslim immigrants are mostly welfare/charity fraud, not violent crime or terrorism or imported bigotry, and that's honestly not that unusual in american history with immigrant groups.

>>40316230
Nobody, not even muslim migrants, wants anything to do with Palestine
Palestine is filled to the brim with literal islamic extremists, it's how Hamas gets their recruits
Every single time Palestinians have mass-migrated to other countries, they've formed their own terrorist cells and organisations that in some cases have literally taken over the state (see lebanon)
There's a reason why Israel has started to take such an extreme stance against them.

All these cretins asking for a 2SS don't understand this.

>>40316108
>at least in the United States
Irrelevant.

>>40316256
The thing is that, because America has no culture, muslims don't really "integrate" because there is no culture to integrste into. In Europe we have Culture, we have a Tradition, we have Heritage. Muslim immigrants don't integrate.

>>40316207
nuke gaza

>>40315208
Why can't we reject brown people AND corporations raping us? Like why the fuck can't we just be smart? These are *our* countries.

>>40316256
>the bet that the western center-left made in accepting islamic immigrants was "we can turn islam gay faster than muslim fanatics can turn western countries islamic"
this itself is a form of cultural supremacism

>our culture is so much better than theirs that they will instantly abandon the culture that their family and extended support network have been practising for over a millennium!

I don't blame them for trying though, arab tranners and twinks are extremely hot, especially with blonde highlights, I'm unironically jealous as a med tranny lmao

>>40316314
Of course we can, but first must depose those in power currently.

>>40316207
Depressing her situation was fucking awful rip

>>40316291
beautifully said
I pity americans and their soulless country

>>40316320
>this itself is a form of cultural supremacism
supremacism for the universal culture is good, actually
most particularist "culture" is primarily a justification for child abuse

>>40312569
>Also to excuse the fact that western countries are the most genocidal "cultures" on the planet
China is genociding people right now and no leftist cares. Somehow Spain conquering Mexico 500 years ago is more relevant than Sudan or Rwanda or Myanmar or any other non white state recently where genocide has happened

>>40316207
it's crazy how we can get lumped in with racists for being sus of muslims, but when the one issue gaza crowd are competing for upvotes for the most transphobic shite, there's no link there
cooool ig

>>40312752
>Do you seriously not understand that every single western countries does this too? And America literally still has legal slavery under its prison system
How is Ireland or Iceland enslaving people? Saudi Arabia still has legal child marriage and personal slavery for the upper classes today. And the USA is barely even white anymore

>is lonely
>no one reacts to my posts
>oh!! I know! Ill post bait
>"Who will you vote for western LGBT person"
>Replies feel good mmm

>>40311635 (OP)
1. LGBT people and movements fanatically supported brown immigration and fanatically turned against national values. In Greece, where I live, one of the most well known LGBT slogan is: "Let Greece die, so that we may live.", LGBT people should have chosen their alliances better. It's too late now, I think.
2. LGBT people are not that numerous. Why should right wing parties change their line and alienate their base just to attract a small percentage of an already small group, which - let's be honest - does not include the sanest people?
3. First you vote and give lots of money, then you dictate policy.

>>40315357
>>40313723
>>40315208
>>40315357
>>40315390
>>40315721
>>40315856

>>40316637
Can you link me to the facebook page you got this off of?

Still waiting for the proislam nigger to respond to malay poster

>>40316545
No one ever talks to you when you just act normal online. And making friends IRL is impossible, so I just say retarded shit online I don’t even believe for attention. shit sucks man

>>40316545
>someone posts something I disagree
>it must be bait!

please go to gaza and die

>>40316735
amazing how many people in this thread could learn something from a "facebook meme"

leftists love throwing out emotionally charged buzzwords to denigrate their opponent's arguments.

>>40316735
>spends the entire thread inanely going on about logical fallacies
>blatantly ad hominems with no counterargument

lol

this thread in a fucking bloodbath lmao

Anyway good job EU legbutts, I'm glad to see a few of us have woken up to the existential crisis that we are facing.

rightists never react well to "ok, just make sure all immigrants are screened for liberal western values then" because they realize their own values are actually much closer to afghanistan than america and want to make america more like it

>>40316056
>What are u talking about, anti-immigrant christian fascists are the ones taking away women and lgbt rights. Muslims are literally electing Ilhan Omar, Zohran Mamdani, and Rashida Tlaib

Rightoids are lower than insects. They're actively trying to turn the United States into a backwards anti-Western shithole while the people they fearmonger about the most want to make America developed, educated, and modern.

>>40317674
This would disqualify virtually all Muslim immigrants

>>40315232
>this thread (and the other ones recently) goes to show why radical leftism is an idiotic idealogy, it's demands are so extreme and in practice, contradictory, that even trannies have started turning on it, it has an extremely idealistic and simplistic view of human nature which is why is crashes so hard on impact with reality.

90% of trannies are left-of-center. you're on 4chan, which pre-selects for far-right beliefs

socially liberal beliefs are strongly correlated with g, and being trans is strongly correlated with g

>>40315148
>Cool, so I am an ex-Muslim
prove it

>>40317674
>ok, just make sure all immigrants are screened for liberal western values then
Isn't that already the standard in America? And leftoids are burning down cities because of it

>>40317769
Prove that you're not a Muslim. Post a picture of Muhammad for me.

>>40317674
actually that's a compromise I'm happy with, as long as its not a gate they can just walk around and it isn't used by greedy politicians as a soft form of indentured slave sabour

>>40317769
they literally have already you fucking muppet, read the thread before posting your basedjak style gotchas

>>40317769

>>40317723
like the ones mentioned above? mamdani and ilhan omar are out there attending a billion pride parades. the muslim politicians in the country are liberal

the problem with afghanistan is not that it's full of muslims. it's that it's controlled by the taliban. most modern rightists just want a taliban that flies their flag, run by someone like nick fuentes

the retarded right-wing muslims all vote for donald trump. i am perfectly happy with disenfranchising all trump voters regardless of their skin color, religion, haplogroup, or culinary customs

>>40317858
Mamdani is literally a socialist you fucking idiot

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>40317858
>>40317723

>>40317867
the discussion is about social ideology, not economic

>>40317910
>>40317883
You know what, I actually agree with you now. Liberalism and western values are a good requirement for immigrants. Socialists and communists need not apply.

>>40317809
>they literally have already you fucking muppet, read the thread before posting your basedjak style gotchas
i saw it but i wasn't paying attention and ignored what it was

i apologize

still, ex-muslim pickmes are annoying. a reasonable ex-muslim would be much more nuanced

it's like detransitioners. some are normal and some make demonizing their former group their whole life

>>40317927
i hate socialism (i am a neoliberal) but it's debatable if it's "anti-western" exactly. also i think trumpism is far more poisonous to the nation than democratic socialism. democratic socialism is immoral, economy-destroying results with moral intentions. MAGA is wicked ends with wicked intentions. plus endorsing democracy already puts them a step up

it's also moving the goalposts. the discussion was over muslims supporting LGBT people, not if they want workers to own the means of production

>>40317977
Not moving the goal posts when you literally said "liberalism" specifically.

Also it's not Western values to have a loud Arabic call for everyone to pray 5 times a day.

>>40317977
JFC can you stop lying? You asked me for a picture of my passport with a timestamp. I replied to you with exactly what you requested. You then proceeded to play dumb and didn't respond at all, which I assumed because you weren't expecting a response and thought I was somehow lying.
Now you're going to claim you "didn't see it" when I know for a damn fact you saw it because you responded to it with some stupid samefag accusation.

>>40318056
*didn't respond with an argument

>>40318056
someone else asked you that. i just joined the thread a few minutes ago. i was apologizing for not fully reading the past discussion

my other points remain

>>40316408
Shock and Awe killed millions of arabs

And now you fuckers wonder why theyre "invading" your country?

Yes Western countries are by far the nost genocidal

>>40318158
It's you. You have the same writing style.
Reasonably speaking, demonization is warranted.
It would be like if the transgender community were actively shaming and philosophically believing that anyone who is no longer trans should be killed.
Also, everything you think about MAGA people, which is debatable, is actually true of Islamic belief.

>>40317977
muslims cattegorically do not believe in free speech because of actions taken against those who depict muhammad
you have no argument

>>40319003