How much effort are you putting into your transition

Zero. It's pointless before FFS

>>40327593 (OP)
I take estrogen and that’s it

almost none. i dont deserve to pass, im petrified by life

i will be buying corsets to do rib binding. beyond that i take hrt and do regular skincare

>>40327593 (OP)
none. I should just die

All of you are people are useless

Put a picture of a a woman you want to look like on your wall and don’t stop working until you get there

>>40327602
>>40327607
>>40327613
>>40327631
Literal retards

>>40327749
im sorry

what sort of work makes me shorter?

What exactly am I supposed to work on?

>>40327875
easy, if you happen to be over 5'9" just avoid transitioning

not nearly enough

>>40327875
Just be attractive
>>40327880
Idk
>>40327887
Do more for your own sake

>>40327886
ok, I'll detrans and sleep with cis women instead.

>>40327918
good, make sure to pass your tranny genes to your spawn so they can suffer the same shitty tranny life as their "dad"

>>40327918
Or just put more work in

>>40327593 (OP)
Actually I am special, so special in fact that you will never know how special I am because you don't get to see it.

>>40327768
If you were actually sorry you would try
There's no reason at all not to try your best

>>40327593 (OP)
I'm high as shit laying down. I took my estrogen but I'm chilling honestly

>>40327593 (OP)
at this point it's been so long that i can't meaningfully separate actively transition related stuff from basic maintenance. i take estrogen and don't choose to untrain my voice i suppose

>>40327593 (OP)
idk I'm just a manmoder but
- minoxidil
- laser (face currently, hopefully full body in the future)
- i do skincare like 20 minutes per day, occasionally beauty masks
- i'm saving up for ffs
- hair care
- voice training maybe one or two hours a week
- i practice make up (when I' alone at home only)
- i try to find a bf (and fail)
> because of my body I'm never gonna leave manmode but doing these things in private at least gives my life some sense of purpose

>>40328293
>> because of my body I'm never gonna leave manmode but doing these things in private at least gives my life some sense of purpose
admirable

>>40327875
wear a very heavy backpack, worsen your posture, sleep sitting up, wear barefoot shoes. That'll get you three inches shorter.

>>40328305
yeah I do my best to be one of the good ones thanks <3

>>40328341
women don't have bad posture and don't wear frog shoes dummy.

>>40327593 (OP)
>laser
>eating well
>working out
>voice training
>hrt i guess
is this good?

>>40327593 (OP)
i shove a dilator up my asshole every day uwu
its like i have a neopussy ^-^

>>40327593 (OP)
a good bit i'm just really bad at makeup and my hooded eyes dont help

>>40327940
orchi, ffs, ba, squats, clothes, makeup, voice. I don't think there's any more technology left to throw at the problem.

>>40327729
this only works if you can actually pass
obviously if there is no way you're ever going to look like a woman it is POINTLESS and one in such a situation should just give up and die

>>40327593 (OP)
very little
i put my effort into things that actually get me what i want in life
when i'm stable and have the money to waste i'll worry about how i look

>>40327593 (OP)
hmm
>HRT for 4 years
>obese
>beard and unibrow
>ridiculous deep voice
ruining optics for you all

>>40328496
if youre willing to go the whole mile and have the money, leg shortening surgery is possible

>>40327593 (OP)
not much. I barely have enough motivation to wake up in the mornings for work idk how you guys manage all this shit.

>>40327593 (OP)
none, because i'm a broke student and male puberty has already done irreversible things to my body

even if i were to get plastic surgery up the wazoo i'd still look like a nasty caricature of a tranny. also if i were outed i'd immediately get kicked out and have to drop out of school so that would not be the best thing to do

>>40327593 (OP)
I've done all I can at this point. There's nothing left that's not waaaay out of my price range. I guess I could self-orchi

>>40327593 (OP)
Ah yes, certainly "effort" will shrink my 6'4 height and giant frame.

i am special and i am not going to any harder than i currently am you fucking freak

I am about to book my 1st hair removal apoitment but i dont know if i can get away with laser or need to do electrolysys.
I have ginger hair and pale skin.
Can anyone tell me if laser would work?
Thanks

>>40331609
> ginger hair and pale skin
no it won't. they'll either tell you that or they'll rip you off. do electro.

>most of this board is now literally pleddithons not doing any effort to pass
Fuck I need to leave you disgusting moids.
Where is the board I joined where everyone was doing everything they could and not doing stupid meme shit like "manmoding", and boymoding was just a transitory period until you malefailed constantly

>>40331829
I legitimately think the average 20-something twinkhon has more chances to pass back in the day than the fucking zoomoid retards who'd rather just goon and do nothing.
Ugh.
Please find the nearest bridge.

>>40331829
ma'am manmoding is a self-depricating effort to preserve optics. there is nothing 'meme-y' about it. it sucks.
> boymoders however, yeah those are lazy.

>>40331849
>nuhuh it's not my fault I don't pass
>i also won't voicetrain
>I will only buy Shein sissy clothes
>won't do laser
>will stay obese
>will keep behaving like a man
>I'm a manmoder
Nah you're just a man and leave my board and/or life.

>>40327593 (OP)
I don't have a way of accessing hrt or really anything girly yet but I've been putting effort into weight loss and at least making myself as comfortable as possible as a "boy" before I jump ship. I don't want to have this ugly boy fat on my body before I do anything. I think part of the reason I just never gave a shit about my body and why I just didn't care about ever losing weight or anything was because I was a tranny and had internalized a sort of disdain for my physical form as an amab and quite large amab because of it (I'm 6'2), even if I hadn't realized it at the time or repressed it to the point of it being a form of masking.

>>40331860
r u retarded I've grown my hair out, I voicetrain, I do laser, I'm at a 19 BMI and ppl have called me a behavioural fag all my life.
i'm just a midshit heighthon, I have a brick body and I don't pass before FFS even with makeup. there's no point in claiming female pronouns if I have to wear a pronoun pin duh

>>40331908
>claiming female pronouns
The fuck does this mean. Just go out with nice makeup and well dressed lmao stop being a retard about muh pronouns muh identity.
Just put some effort it gosh. It ain't that hard.

>>40331908
Like do you wear anime tshirts or like a 13yo or are you legitimately a diaper sissy fetishist
Just dress like a grown woman with shit that flatters your body retard omg

>>40327593 (OP)
not enough
im a retarded late transitioner (started around my 21st bday), and have other shit to do, so all i do is dress masc, do my makeup, go to the gym and jab myself with syringes, i dont even voice train

>>40331926
>late transitioner
>21
Total zoomer genocide
I started at 22 and fully pass omg just put some effort ffs
>dont even voice train
Then you're a moid. Gtfo my board

>>40331920
> woman is when clothes
yeah can u comprehend the reality where you do all of these things and ppl still see u as a man?
>>40331934
> I started at 22 and fully pass omg just put some effort ffs
classic lateshit luckshit moment.
> Gtfo my board
i don't know what would entitle you to claim ownership over this board or why you would want it.
if you have any substantiated passing advice to share I'm happy to hear you out, but as it stands you're just kicking down and making fun of people less fortunate then you.

>>40331987
>yeah can u comprehend the reality where you do all of these things and ppl still see u as a man?
Ok I'll be gracious. Show a fit you'd wear and maybe I can give some advice. Not all clothes fit on every body, trans women usually cannot wear slutty shit.
>classic lateshit luckshit moment.
meh. I'm tall (5'9 1/2), had black facial hair (lasered all that), had a heavy browbone (ffsd that), a deep voice (voice trained that)
I do have a relatively thin build though yeah (thin wrists small hands) but I doubt yall have only masc features lol
what i'm saying is I legitimately dont think you're less fortunate, is just that you're doomers because you didnt start HRT at 12 like a select few extremely privileged girls did. but doesn't mean you can't pass.

>>40327593 (OP)
how exactly hard working would fix my constant fatigue that no meds, no diet, no therapy could fix? if i wasn't tired in the morning i'd get the world

>>40332223
>how will hard work fix my depression
nah keep smoking weed loser faggot

could it be that I'm not special?

>>40327749
Fuck you asshole

>>40332274
my only unhealthy habit is an ED. my body can't handle the load of day-to-day life, no, it's not because i'm sad, depressed, it's just painful for my body. to do something significant i need to spend in "anabiosis" for a few days. because of this i can't sustain anything, even what i love.

you're not here for a solution. you don't care about people
you want to be angry and feel better, no wonder you post only models
you're just like all other people
i'm happy for your achievements

>>40327593 (OP)
>hrt for 14 years
>voice trained
>makeup skills
>had laser hair removal
>exercise and eat well
>work in a female dominated field
>getting orchi this year
You freaks are the reason I'll never tell my coworkers than I'm trans. Put the effort in or get the hell out. Boymoders are literally the cancer of this community.

>>40332415
>no wonder you post only models
if you meant warhammer minis yeah i do that on tg otherwise no? lol
fix your ED. you're the only person than can. and sorry being like "im so sorry you have an ED its not your fault uwu" has never helped anyone. if YOU want to get YOUR life better put the fingers out of your arse and do something about it.

>>40332611
You feel so smart while saying nothing new

>>40332721
because there is nothing new to do. Do you wanna be a failure all your life or make something or yourself? you're the one thinking "oh its not my fault its society my traumas etc" grow tf up or stfu

>>40328402
I love you

>>40332737
Because that's ineffective and doesn't work. And I don't find it reasonable to be silent about it.

You'd understand the situation if you were smart enough, but you clearly aren't. I was in similar mindset like you for years, but I understand I cant make this life in this weak body

>>40332866
>You'd understand the situation if you were smart enough, but you clearly aren't. I was in similar mindset like you for years, but I understand I cant make this life in this weak body
>I am too smart to stop having an ED that ruins my life
that is definitely a take.
I have an extremely difficult life and I'm still doing everything I can to make it better, and it's working. There is nothing to lose by trying. But then again you're rationalising depression and thinking being depressed has the effect of making you "smart." You really think of yourself as an omnipotent subject that in its own omnipotence is powerless, like every single depressed moron.
You're only a slave to your own rationalisations, and that doesn't make you "not like the other depressed idiots", it just makes you one of a multitude.

>>40332900
Clearly, I just said you're not smart enough to understand situations of other people and see only from your perspective, only through your lens because you're superior, idk, know better. It doesn't make me smarter, I just don't do this mistake and you're not in the head space to get it without high intelligence.

I'm only a slave to my weak body that can't move even to get food. And I've tried everything I could, maybe even more than most of you all, just to be here, the list is too long.

>>40333030
Fine, kill yourself by not eating, what do you want us to say lmao
But having an ED "oh no I can't eat" is definitely not high intelligence behaviour.

>>40333060
Because (You) never had knowledge of overcoming something truly impossible and just shit on people online for no good reasons

>>40333226
>Because (You) never had knowledge of overcoming something truly impossible
>it's literally just anorexia

I just got a nose job and now I’m saving up to get clavicle shortening surgery. Once I get that, I can finally dress the way I want to.

>>40333511
It's just part of the greater picture of why I can't live normal life. I can't eat more than I do, and I eat healthy food, I cook for myself. I can't tell if eating so little affect my life so much, but that's just a symptom of greater problem - inability to build habits, yes, even unhealthy habits. For people it's easier to do tasks with time, but not for me, it's harder and harder every time until I can't do it anymore and I'm burnt out. As I said I'm trying a lot, but because I don't have results people think I do nothing.

>>40333694
Anon, I really hope you succeed. Small steps are small victories every time, just trying is good. I am an asshole I admit, I really hate self-defeating thought patterns because I narcissistically see myself in them.
But yes, it does make sense not eating would affect everything - your brain is probably not even functioning correctly. I might say obvious stuff but I feel like maybe actually getting THC might be beneficial in your case, than and focusing on oily calorie dense food. Of course you can't create neural pathways when your entire body is in survival mode.
I really hope the best for you. I got burnt out so many times or saw the results of my efforts fail that it took me years to start to emerge and that's where I'm at now. Not doing the best either but anything is better than nothing.
We need hope to live, hope in anything. Doesn't need to be what other people want, but just thinking "maybe one day I can get my oral hygiene in order" is already something. But for you, you really need to find a way to ingest more calories.

Hope you all the best, sorry for being an asshole.

>>40328219
ok ill try harder then :(

The greatest tricked the tranny ever played was convincing the world they weren't a man.

Looking like a attractive and passing woman is literally the point of transitioning just stop if you aren’t trying

>>40327593 (OP)
>Taking EEn, Prog
>Laser
>Skin care
>Hair care
>Excercise, stretching and Yoga
>>40332460
Fuck you then I am sorry I wasn't able to transition earlier

>>40327593 (OP)
not being special implies that you should work less hard, because you're not doing anything irreplaceable.
it's being special that means you need to work hard, because no one else is going to do things that only you can do. if you want them done, you have to do them yourself.

consider the thought process that would lead to generating the opposite view, and then draw your own conclusions about anyone who espouses that view.

>>40336504
> Looking like a passing woman is literally the point of transitioning
ftfy

>>40333820
jfc can you stop weedpilling ppl please? ts is addictive!

>>40336632
Drugs are not a bad thing

I realized yesterday that the fact even passoid trannies don’t voice train strongly points towards the conclusion that ‘effort’ is utter nonsense. People are just lucky financially or have good craniofacial starting points.

>>40327593 (OP)
none, im unemployed and somewhat poor. i dress ok and wear makeup daily (bf buys me it) but none of its exactly high effort and i do not pass.

>>40327602
FFS docs give 0 effort for 0 effort trannies btw

>>40327593 (OP)
im about 4 years on hrt now
im voice training 30 minutes a day
finally got electrolysis to help deal with acne my sensitive face gets from shaving (dont get much facial hair in the first place)
i girlmode in public and succeed in looking decent
i got a cute haircut recently and have a new hair routine w/ it
gave myself a facial 2 days ago to clear my skin and look better
got some new clothes and being more confident in my fashion
been doing my makeup more often and get gendered female unless my family calls me a guy
i got some pretty jewelry for free and ive been wearing it.
im coming out of my shell socially a bit and im starting to not have to think about being trans as much
fixing my busted ass teeth and got braces
exercising more now to get into the shape i want for myself.
kinda just starting to treat myself like a regular adult rather than being trans
i sorta struggle with lapses in motivation where i dont do the things i want to and im starting to get out of my own way now

>>40329996
i never considered this but that sounds much more dangerous than lengthening them (already dangerous)

>>40331609
dont im ginger and tried it, no effect. save the money and go for electrolysis. electro also is less effective on red hair too so you're in for the long haul

>>40333820
I accept your apologies.
I tried different types of food, but my body just rejects high amount of calories. I'm just hoping to figure out something new.

>>40329095
based

>>40329095
>>40342381
cowardly bitches projecting their cowardice

>>40342400
try being in a situation in which you have objectively no hope of ever passing or even looking acceptable or even just anything literally

>>40342408
shift goalposts, get creative. dooming is what it is but at the end of the day youre still there throughout the whole thing. grab what copes you need and hunt for whatever the fuck can help you.

>>40327593 (OP)
>How much effort are you putting into your transition

Not a lot, but I don’t owe you needs femininity.

>>40342432
>needs

Nerds

>>40342416
>get creative
not a thing so it's just
>shift goalposts
which is just
>deal with it just ignore that you literally look so disgusting that no human should ever see you and you will never pass obviously and if that's the only thing you care about then well too bad kill yourself then i guess since what else is there
which is what i think already so there was no point in saying anything in the first place (for me or you) (maybe there was point for you i guess so there was no point only for me and i did it anyway because i just can't bring myself to commit suicide already so i have to go out there and post my misery for other people to see)

>>40342437
do you like men or women?

>>40342457
both

>>40342468
have you considered using some kind of stimulant to get out of that mental rut?

>>40327593 (OP)
Well, I'm currently a neet so I have plenty of time but still kinda do the minimum haha. I have a solid skincare and haircare routine I am pretty persistent with, and I am also regularly in the gym 5 days a week and working on dieting because I started overweight, but there's still lots of other stuff I need to work on, mainly voice training and makeup, and finding a job to refit my wardrobe haha.

>>40342565
i don't think/feel that's a realistic possibility for me for reasons and reasons and reasons and reasons and reasons
i could say a reason but then you'd reply to it saying a thing i already know about it and then i'd reply and then you'd possibly reply and in the end we'd just end up on me saying i don't want to do it basically since it's not like it's physically out of the realm of like possibility but it's not easily accessible and i don't want to put in the effort i guess so it just comes down to that and so

>>40327593 (OP)
Obvious efforts:
>therapy
>hrt (3y)
>makeup
>haircare
>skincare
>voicetraining (have to speak in more androgynous voice around family but people here say it’s decently passing)
>partial social transition (don’t live in an area i can safely 100% it yet + family and friends don’t support)
>improved eating habits/combatting my ED
Previous/start and stop efforts:
>laser (had to stop hrt for 6 months last year which reversed much of the progress though)
>prog (wasn’t happy with the effects of it, got wild mood swings/dysphoria with early trans but willing to try again)
>pio (very happy with the effects of it but gave me horrible nausea, unsure whether or not to start again since i’ve been off it 4 or so months)
Efforts I haven’t been as focused on/need to focus on:
>more consistent exercise (unsteady on/off routine, might start manmoding to a gym)
>electrolysis (to help with the reversed laser progress)
>consistent improvement at everything included in the "obvious" tier
Efforts out my reach:
>surgery (don’t need it to be happy with my transition anyways)

While it maybe hasn’t "paid off" yet (in the sense I don’t pass, still only get gendered male, harassed, etc), I’m much happier putting in the effort than compared to before and want to continue putting in more. I don’t like to include surgery as proof of "effort" as I’d only be getting it to pass for others and not for myself, but if my current social treatment continues it might be something I’ll consider further down the line. And yeah, it sometimes sucks being 3 years in and having no proof I’ve ever passed while seeing boymoders complain how they only "malefail" 95% of the time instead of 100%, but I think it’s pretty safe to say with the amount of effort I’ve made I’m practically worm-free compared to them so it balances out lol

>>40342654
you realise im not suggesting amphetamine or coke, right?

>>40342734
yes but i don't really have money for more meds than hrt or i definitely don't i guess

>>40327593 (OP)
this is wagie mentality

>>40342743
a 6-12 month supply of albuterol is $17

I feel like I'm just transitioning to a fag

>>40343092
same

Any mtf who hasn’t or isn’t trying to learn make up, do your hair, workout, dress for your body type, do their brows or takes E isn’t allowed to complain about their looks. Also any pooner who doesn’t workout is retarded, unless they have a good frame.

>>40342432
you are disgusting