>white girl decides she doesn't "feel like a woman" because she doesn't conform to the stereotype of a 50s housewife
>gets 20 different piercings, puts on clown makeup and shitty alt fashion
>calls self nonbinary
>reduces the concept of being transgender to some vague esotheric feeling that is rhetorically indenfensible beyond "you should just accept it because it doesn't affect you, ok!?!"
>the general public comes to see transgenderism as baseless nonsense because of this
>you are now universally considered to be self-hating among the community and punching down if you point this out
How did we get to this point?

>>40353080 (OP)
(((who knows)))

>>40353080 (OP)
>white girl decides she doesn't "feel like a woman" because she doesn't conform to the stereotype of a 50s housewife
>gets 20 different piercings, puts on clown makeup and shitty alt fashion
>calls self nonbinary
I don’t inherently have a problem with this, or them being gender abolitionist. They/thems just have a shit personality and are terrible people that hide behind their own tribal shit. I can’t quite explain it right, but it irritates the fuck out of me. 90s/2000s alt stuff seemed cool, but nowadays, it feels like there’s no soul to it.

>>40353080 (OP)

>>40353080 (OP)
>How did we get to this point?
Extensive psyop

>>40353120
I wouldn't inherently have a problem with it either if their idea of going beyond the gender binary didn't fit an extremely recognisable stylistic mold that does little to convince others they're not just trying to join a trendy clique, or if they weren't trying to co-opt the suffering of gender dysphoric people.

>>40353080 (OP)
the alternative is that she has 1.5 kids and is a terrible mother to all of them, and then (you) grow up and make dogshit threads instead of being a stillbirth on T like you deserve

personally I think we need MORE of them to go on HRT

>>40353142
Unfortunately, I have to interact with them so I have some opinions.
>>40353144
Yeah people say they are feminists and won’t buy a guy a beer or split the check. It does feel more like a fashion trend more than anything. How would you say they are co-opt the suffering of gender dysphoric people? Statistically most women have dysphoria from magazines and Instagram or whatever. It’s just not gender dysphoria so I think they’re getting confused. I told my sister she wasn’t trans and she flipped out on me recently.

>>40353174
>How would you say they are co-opt the suffering of gender dysphoric people
If you were a terminally online teenage girl in the 2010s and you discovered tumblr, you were in a subculture that patted itself on the back for standing up for marginalized voices, and where you'd regularly get told to shut up for speaking on subjects if you didn't fit a certain demographic. Being "privileged" was genuinely a source of shame, and users would list off all their marginalized identities in their bios to show off how righteous their suffering was for status points. Claiming to be trans because you're nonbinary was an extremely easy way to appear more oppressed, because being NB can mean whatever you want it to be and doesn't need commitment beyond changing your pronouns online. That's the shitty environment that spawned the popularisation of nonbinary identities, it never meant much more than being a label to appear extra special since then

Having dated someone who was originally transfem and then went nb that genre of dysphoria can be legit but it’s these tumblr overflow types that ruin optics for everyone.

>>40353080 (OP)
The only medically substantiated difference between them and you is dysphoria. So if you want to mark transgenderism as exclusively a mental illness that's your prerogative.
captcha: GJAPP

>>40353080 (OP)
>"WATCH IT PRONOUNS!"
Hahaha.
https://youtu.be/wyNrgVTvaSY?si=y-I39gZtjqiY_OpM

>>40353080 (OP)
if it's any consolation young ppl have been adopting the aesthetics of schizophrenia, depression, tics, and other disorders too
some professionals think it's actually becoming a problem distinct from old fashioned hypochondriacs
>>40353255
which is not really true by the way, there are several significant differences in biomarkers

>>40353255
>The only medically substantiated difference between them and you is dysphoria
thats retarded
the only "medically substantiated" difference is HRT and surgeries
you probably dont even know the pre 2015 criteria for gender dysphoria

>>40353217
Stuff like asexual/romantic, demisexual/romantic, pansexual/romantic also were good labels to adopt for oppression points without losing any standing in wider society. Nobody has ever been discriminated against for being ace, demi, or pan. Any hate directed towards pan people is functionally homo and biphobia.

>>40353280
Hypochondriacs are miserable and hate having symptoms and worrying about diseases, they wish to be healthy. People with Munchausen on the other hand enjoy the show because deep down they know they are not sick. This is some other, third thing. These girls genuinely think they have all those conditions but they enjoy being perceived as neurodivergent/disabled/trans/whatever else. They don't want to get better.

>>40353255
most of them have dysphoria, the ones that don't gaslight themselves into thinking they do at the worst point in their period
the ones that do gaslight themselves into thinking they don't have dysphoria at the worst point in their period while dating some cunt cishet man, and that's how you end up with tradwife era JoJo Siwa

>>40353385
yeah the other third thing disorder is having a period and you can't determine if the theyFAB is a cis woman or a trans man reliably through any means other than putting them on HRT and seeing what comes out the other side
strong monthly cycles are mental illness, hormones suppress it

>>40353120
That's because you are old and out of touch, you don't understand the culture context informing youth trends the same way you did when you were a youth.
Since you don't percieve the core of these aesthetics they seem hollow.
And as an out of touch old person myself I am just assuming young people are doing the same shit they've always done.

>>40353255
Dysphoria = being attractive, young, and either afab or plausibly feminine

If you're male/old/not attractive/gigahon, it's just a fetish caused by porn

nonbiney

Yes sorry OP it's just not that deep, no1curr

>>40353080 (OP)
>>40353255
See the thing is: according to the DSM criteria this is gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria doesn’t make exclusions for people who have a retarded opinion on what constitutes gender. It’s literally
>I think, therefore I am

>>40353080 (OP)
>I'm a real girl who just happens to believe in conspiracy theories about females just like every other weird male chud in 4chan
TERFs won.

>>40353080 (OP)
Jews who own the media wanted to destory white populations right up until the gender goblins they created started to chant “free palestine”

>>40353217
Tbhon I do think there is something to be said about the fetishism of oppression and its aesthetics wrt certain cultural zeitgeists but
>an easy way to appear oppressed
If that’s all there was to it they wouldn’t have green hair and stupid clothes. Any moron can lie about who they are on the internet and get the same amount of attention without having to adopt any of the associated behaviors in real life

>>40353300
>Pre 2015 criteria for gender dysphoria
What was it?

>>40353604
The Jew thing on 4chan used to be a joke. I Literally, can’t believe some people think it’s real. It’s like the flat earth conspiracy.

>>40353433
No it felt fake and hollow when I was a kid too. Think about movements in the past, like punk. They actually stood by each other and for something. Now alt is mainstream and stands for nothing. 90s/early 2000s was the last time any movement actually seemed to have some back bone and philosophical thought. Unfortunately, it was right before my time.

>>40353080 (OP)
White women ruin everything they touch. This is why white culture, and only white culture, needed such strong inequality throughout its history. Women of other races tend to do just fine being equal and rarely blow up society the way white women do.

>>40353080 (OP)
there is a valid point about the devaluation of the experience of extremely dysphoric people for whom transition isn't a choice, but i don't agree with the incel rhetoric

>>40353734
>a thing I didn't experience was better than a thing I did experience

>>40353341
>Stuff like asexual/romantic, demisexual/romantic, pansexual/romantic also were good labels to adopt for oppression points without losing any standing in wider society.
Utterly untrue. People roll their eyes behind your back after you state this and will avoid you thereafter.

>>40353255
Dysphoria is a mental illness, and the treatment is hormonal transition and gender affirming surgeries. After that you're cured, and thus no longer mentally ill.
Only the west has an issue with this because they've turned "mental illness" into a dirty word that is more akin to being demonically possessed rather than the psychological equivalent of having a bout of the flu. Mental illness heals with treatment and lifestyle change, just like physical illnesses do, and dysphoria is not an exception.

>>40353736
untrue saar but im sorry whitey wont date you saar my condolences saar

>>40353770
I'm Irish, chud. I'm well aware of the evils of white women.

>>40353280
It really is a scary age we live in. Also, "Watch it pronouns!" is a legit good burn

>>40353770
>sure, everyone hates me but at least I'm not an indian male

my coworker's little kid said I looked like a "they" in a mocking manner as I had short hair. I get asked what are my pronouns too, as if a woman can't have short hair and dress masculine. BRING BACK TOMBOY PRIDE. Bring back women with eccentric fashion taste while not assuming it has anything to do with BS gender bullshit.
Crossdressing men and women are objectively better than trannies.

>>40354133
so true, the days when people assumed you were a 'lesbian (phase' were so much better

>>40353080 (OP)
>>40353174
Most people have insane ideals of what the opposite gender is or what their own gender is.

>Statistically most women have dysphoria from magazines and Instagram or whatever.

Honestly by this point I struggle to believe a lot of gender dysphoria is genuine at this point. In particular with the MTF "failed male" mindset, and the FTMs idolizing men as more useful.

Maybe it doesn't occur to people just how destructive shame and low self esteem can be.

I feel it right now, but I can't delude myself into thinking it's real dysphoria.

>>40353736
Well, we manufacture them this way.
We teach them to be wretched self-obsessed "you're worth it!" affirmations.

When they grow up and fail to get enough affirmation, then they seek identity via $0 transition into... themselves, but with different pronouns.

>>40354262
You're insane

>>40353446
it cuz if ur old/ugly/gighon you'd kill yourself if u had dysphoria

>>40354133
You type like a man

>>40353080 (OP)
only trannies care, theyfabs are the easiest pussy around

>>40353080 (OP)
>reduces the concept of being transgender to some vague esotheric feeling that is rhetorically indenfensible beyond "you should just accept it because it doesn't affect you, ok!?!"
Always has been.jpg

>>40353080 (OP)
>tranny complains
...

>>40353080 (OP)
>How did we get to this point?
Feminism psyopped normies into thinking women are capable of anything other than falseflagging.
Now even trannies think that being an enby is synonymous with being a woman dressed as a clown.
>>40354262
>they seek identity via $0 transition into... themselves, but with different pronouns.
Which is based, since they don't have any brainworm ruining their lives if they don't chug T.
Trannies should have used this fact as a scapegoat, but instead you consider these people as something akin to the racist uncle that you can find at every family reunion ("yeah, he is a little bit unhinged, but he goes away pretty fast if you leave him alone").
Pedos and whatever those white women are: the average tranny should have bullied and distanced themselves from them both.
One job you had.

>>40353142
the median voter between the ages of 40 and 70

What makes binary trannies any more legit than them saying the word dysphoria over and over?

>>40355218
dysphoria being real ig

>>40355504
How do you know if all dysphoria is real?

>>40355018
Grim how white women ruined trans acceptance...
But trannies did too.

1.) Remove theyfab acceptance.
2.) Make it socially OK to be a transwoman (as long as she literally doesn't think she is congruent to a woman).

Nonbinary asks a redundant question;
"Do you even really feeeeel like a girl? A man? A woman?"
And it's like... no, no one really does.
Because we don't know what "girl" feels like. It's not a feeling, it's a descriptor for "pre/adolescent AFaB". So they all take their TikTok gender quizzes and scientifically determine, "My God, I've been living a lie! I don't have a gender!! I'm SPECIAAAAL!"

>>40353736
It’s all traceable to the enlightenment. The Romans erased our cultural roots in large so we took theirs. Unfortunately we aren’t meds, so the culture wasn’t exactly compatible. We get a lot of emulator glitches now especially since we’ve been running the program for 400 years

>>40356971
Remove theyfab acceptance but in a HRT accelerationism way
I think Maia Poet could have been fixed if he got put on HRT before his parents could send him to an Israeli detrans camp

Never thought a thread would be so psychotic I sympathize with theyfabs more

>>40353120
>90s/2000s alt stuff seemed cool, but nowadays, it feels like there’s no soul to it.
bro it was just as bad back then. we invented the word poser for it

>>40357681
if you were malebrained you'd understand psychosis better

>>40353385
it's not actually munchausen, it's narcissism

>>40353300
>the only "medically substantiated" difference is HRT and surgeries
you don't need either of those to be trans

>>40353760
why is it that all other types of dysphoria and body dysmorphia aren't treated this way?

>>40353080 (OP)
What else are they supposed to do other than be themselves? This is such a stupid fucking take. If these extra ass nb people didn't exist it wouldn't stop the reactionaries and conservatives from shitting all over us. It happened to the gays too. I imagine there were a lot of them who thought like you. "If the flamboyant ones among us would just act more normal society wouldn't hate us!" They were wrong too. Every group of people has corny people, evil people, weird people, etc.

>>40354133
trannies also ruined bulldykes. now they just think they're dudes

>>40354133
I honestly just assume any woman with a bad/alt haircut is some variety of genderkin when I see them out and about

>>40357815
bc if you suggest it you have committed wrongthink and are a bad person!!!

>>40357815
because other forms of dysphoria and body dysmorphia either don't have solutions or don't have problems to solve
BDD can be 100% in someones head and have no grounding in reality (eg. passoids complaining about being clocky)
dysphoria can also be for someone with permanent burn scarring, where we just dont have the medical technology to do anything about it

>>40355141
yeah again who cares
if you still believe in democracy in 2025 your brainrot is terminal

>>40358721
and how are those people treated? anorexics definitely go into treatment

>>40358740
mostly they just suffer and the treatment doesn't work
also funny thing about anorexia, the only real advancement in treating it in the past 20 years has been when anorexics started transitioning and admitting it's a gender thing for most of them
(the body positivity movement did less than nothing)

persistent anorexia is a symptom of a deeper issue, not a primary issue itself most of the time
either the environment the anorexic is in is perpetuating their body image or their body image stems from something innate like gender dysphoria

>>40358799
>anorexics started transitioning and admitting it's a gender thing for most of them
stop the cap

>>40357815
I don't know, but they should be.
>b-but muh amputees and anorexics
I don't care, cut the leg off and starve, it's your body.

>>40357873
>WAHH MY FUCKTOY HOW WILL I NOW EXPRESS MY POLITICAL LEZBIANISM NOOO

>>40357872
flamboyant gay people are still actually gay even if they act extra, the point is most nbs are not even trans

>>40358822
you have zero close friends who are trans men

>>40358736
if you dont believe they need to invent mass consent at least youre dumb

Do it really be like that for enbies?

Hahaha it really DO be like that!

mrw I be picking the boy or girl character in a game.

>>40362955
>>40362941
>>40362949
the average non-HRT enby is just on a new layer of woke repression
(the average HRT enby is the most depressed person you know)

>>40353080 (OP)
Yeah it's so bad I even had an ex who wanted to be a guy get mad at me for being trans.