Thread 40403457

why are most trans women sexually submissive? do they become women and go "welp I better be sub too because that's what women do"

>>40403457 (OP)
Men are rapists and i dont want to be a rapist

because most women are sexually submissive, so they were already inclined to be before transition :)

>>40403469
basically this desu
i don't really believe that all men are predators but you sort of become conditioned to think that way, not to mention that trans women are also seen as predatory. i don't want that

>>40403457 (OP)
>world is full of dominant rapehons
>still thinking that submissive trans women are only performatively submissive

>>40403471
not inherently. that needs to be fixed

>>40403477
Yea
I grew up with my mom talking about how awful and abusive men are so it made me genuinely never want to be a male, be seen as a male, be too close to women so that im not seen as abusive. Literally subconsciously minimized every aspect of my personality and sexuality to not seem like an abusive person.

>>40403482
That's like saying "why wouldn't they be honest when other people are?" Just by observation it doesn't work like that

>>40403504
submissive trans women are not "publicly lying rapehons", they're submissive all the time

usually start out naturally like that anyway and estradiol dominance just re-enforces the stimulation and feed back when someone is touching you intimately and turning you on your body responds to it naturally and it feels good to get attention and tlc and affection and intimacy. and if they can keep your mental headspace turned on too.
they basically get control over me and know how to lead me and submission naturally happens and get into it.

but idk, im on a pretty fucking gnarly hrt regimen compared to most so i get turned on almost exactly like a girl.
the foreplay and lead up is the same.
all that foreplay and lead up and cuddle after is for me, the fucking is for him for getting me there and knowing how to do it.

>>40403540
>im on a pretty fucking gnarly hrt regimen
how so?

idk I feel like there's tons of trans women that still fuck and are fairly dominant in bed. How else are chasers getting their dose of dick? Also there's tons of dom femboys.

>>40403540
>but idk, im on a pretty fucking gnarly hrt regimen compared to most so i get turned on almost exactly like a girl.

How is that. Youve mimicked the sighing everyday martyrdom about hormones pretty well

>>40403534
Those arent my words. And I understood you think that the first time

>every tranny itt basically agreeing with op
what the fuck? i've remained as i've always been.

>>40403555
I got dicked by a submissive trans girl actually

>>40403457 (OP)
No, I was always like this

>>40403457 (OP)
i think a lot of tgirls just want to be taken care of and made to feel pretty while not having to make decisions. A lot of that overlaps with bottoming

>>40403457 (OP)
I was more verse but my career has made me lean more sub (teacher, need to make 1 bazillion decisions a day at work and be in charge all the time, have grown to crave having decisions made for me when I'm off the clock).

>>40403457 (OP)
I was always sexually submissive

>>40403457 (OP)
i was always that way i would argue most transwomen where that way and never had that thought.

>>40403457 (OP)
idk I was subby even before transition and hrt made it worse.

>>40403457 (OP)
Womb estrogen for the hussies and performative submission for the AGPs.
Or simply, HSTS because they are women and AGPs because they fantasize about being women.

>>40404716
god i fucking hate how Blanchard fags talk

its fucking annoying to. No Blanchard fag has a genuine response to criticisms about Blanchards work besides calling the person who criticized it agp.

>>40404749
I don't believe in Blanchard's dichotomy but I do believe he correctly identified two common attributes of trans women, his mistake was trying to turn those into classifications.
If you don't think that HSTS and AGP exist then you're an AGP plain and simple.

>>40404771
>he correctly identified two common attributes
explain because your perspective seems interesting?

Do you mean like the differences in meta attraction or just a more general abstract "some tgirls try to fit in more with society" thing

>>40403457 (OP)
It wasnt a conscious decision.

>>40403457 (OP)
i was always submissive and that was one of the reasons i wanted to troon. not the other way around

>>40404782
Common attributes, things trans women commonly have.
HSTS is in reality a kind of intersex condition brought on by womb feminization. It's literally being fembrained via soaking in estrogen in utero.
AGP is a philia found in both cis and trans men and women. HSTS for example can have AGP. It is most common in autistic people.

>>40404782
one is attracted to their partner, the androphillia of hsts
the other is attracted to the self, the meta attraction of agp

transbians and bi-shits get their panties in a bunch when they're told their sexuality falls into the ago category. they'll be like, but i don't get a boner from putting panties on! ya? so? that's transvestic fetishism. seperate from agp. agp is how the self engages in sexual activity. the people that argue against agp argue because they don't want to be lumped in with what are classically seen as perverts and rapehons. they'll argue for a cluster c. there isn't one.

it's literally: sexually arroused by the partner vs sexually arroused by the self. that's the true distinction between hsts and agp. heterosexual men don't troon out to become transbians because they worship the woman they sleep with. meaning their sexuality revolves around their partner and their presentation is to both attract and please their partner.

you guys don't understand foundational concepts which is why you think you have valid criticisms for the blanchardian dichotomy. if you don't understand attraction vs meta-attraction then you missed the point of hsts vs agp.

>>40403469
I think probably mostly this, it's sort of in the back if my head that I'm a disgustingly obvious male and if I touch him the wrong way or say the wrong thing he's going to push me away and run into the bathroom to vomit. So I find it really hard to do anything that takes the initiative or even to vocalize what I want. I've been on estrogen most of my life and didn't have sex with anybody before transitioning and I've always strived to be a quiet person that doesn't stand out and that's gotten worse from transitioning but I would blame that for self esteem issues from being trans rather than a hormonal effect

>>40404850
Depressing read. Be open with your man and ask him what he's fine with.

>>40404830
Trannies are arrogant

>>40403555
>what is a power bottom

>>40404830
Im sorry, why would meta attraction mean the person has to troon inherently? Couldnt by your logic someone just find themselves attractive as a man and be attracted to that. Would that then by the metrics of this model make them not straight? Even if they just think that theyre attractive as a person but are otherwise attracted to then opposite gender? I think most cis straight people with decent self image think theyre attractive to the opposite sex but wouldnt fuck themselves. That feels normal to me. And i feel like theres a certian level of sexuality thats feeling good that you feel attractive.

I find my partner incredibly hot but i also like feeling attractive. Theres a layer of meta attraction there i feel is normal. Nobody wants to feel disgusting while having sex.
>>40404820
This still just feels like a more drawn out version of "hsts valid agp not valid" which is ultimately the shit that pisses me off about blanchard. Any amount of gender non conformity sexually or otherwise is seen as invalidity. Which feels ultimately reductive to the trans experience.

I know you specified "cis and trans" but i have never heard anyone call a cis person agp. Its always used as effectively a trans centric insult to call back to a specific type of stereotype.

>>40404982
>cis can't be ag-
Lol. Most cis women are AGP to some degree.
Inherently HSTS are more valid than AGP.
I've been tranny watching for a while and if I had to break them down into groups I'd say that there are three broad, distinct groups. Transsexuals, transgenders and self-identifying trans.
My bullying AGPs has nothing to do with validity, it's because you're dumb little autistics who get flustered over shit like this. It's just straight up bullying nerds except sexual.

>>40405070
cis women are not agp, but are often prone to be narcissistic enough to have meta attraction akin to agp.

>>40404830
as a bishit i'm genuinely attracted to the male body. i think more so than the average woman desu.

>>40405086
>cis women aren't agp they're just agp

>>40405070
>cis can't be ag- Lol. Most cis women are AGP to some degree.

I never said that, i was making a comment on how the term is almost never used to refer to cis people

>Inherently HSTS are more valid than AGP.

I have literally never met a tranny who transitioned purely because they thought it was hot. I dont think pure agp exists if your trans

>if I had to break them down into groups I'd say that there are three broad, distinct groups. Transsexuals, transgenders and self-identifying trans.

Define these groups im interested

>>40404716
Both have performative submission and feminity.

>>40404887
Yeah. I've been trying to fix it for a while but it's still like hard to trust someone. He is still good about being like, "No. You can say I want to do this or that, you don't have to phrase it like you're asking me for permission."
I probably didn't mean self esteem issues from being trans, but it's more like any relationships with cis people where they know you are trans feel inherently unequal. They could hurt you deeply, tear apart your identity, and topple your self confidence in a few minutes so I'm always feeling like I'm in appeasement mode. But that's less to do with sexually submissiveness and more how I am in day to day life.

>>40405111
>Transsexual
A tranny who has an OCD type mental disorder that causes them to heavily fixate on their sex. First trans feelings come on at a very early age. Heavy fixation on primary sex characteristics.
>Transgender
A tranny who has an intersex condition that causes them to be fembrained males. Start feeling trans when they start to face social and physical changes around puberty. Are more concerned with their gender than their sex.
>Self-identifying trans
A trans person who isn't medically trans and transitioned for either personal preference reasons or as the result of delusions brought on by learning/personality disorders, mental illness, and/or social pressures.
>>40405169
In any relationship worthwhile either person could hurt the other deeply.

>>40403457 (OP)
mostly
>>40403469
this
like I'm very scared of initiating or pushing further when it comes to intimacy because I don't want to be the pushy tranny
also like being submissive allows me ironically enough to feel more in control of what happens to my body because I only have to react, not act, and if something makes me dissociate I can just call it out and course correct ig idk

>>40403457 (OP)
ime as a bi guy who has dated a few tranners they're some mix of:

>EXTREMELY willing to please, will pick up on the smallest hint you give and alter their entire wardrobe/aesthetic to suit your taste
>uninterested in topping but will tease/borderline femdom you as long as the end result is getting your dick in them or seeing you get off
>if they are ever interested in topping they let you know very plainly but it's usually not on the table

I have armchair psychologized about this a few times and I think it's really just that they really, really want to feel accepted and desired. I've had a few "transbian" girls try to bully/femdom me just because they wanted a hit off the male validation tap and they knew what I was into. It's not really surprising if you think about it for a second that transwomen prioritize validation this highly. Also it could just be me but if you exclude topping from the list of possible activities most tranners I've met seem pretty ok with whatever as long as you reciprocate? It's just like dating any girl, although if you're one of those guys that thinks it doesn't count as "domming" unless she's literally running your life and being 100% forward and aggressive in every context then yeah you're out of luck.

>>40405184
Fascinating. As a tgirl who would probably fall under transgender or maybe light transexual on this scale i find it fairly inaccurate but very interesting. Anon are you cis?

>>40405308
If you were transsexual you'd know it. You're transgender.
I am a cis man.

>>40405184
Transgenders just change genders, no srs. Transexuals get a sex change.

>>40405184
>Fembrained male
>Started feeling trans... around puberty
>More concerned with their gender than their sex
Waow, your transgender definition describes me to a T

95% were submissive pre hrt
4% is submissive but service tops
1% is actually dominate

>>40405460
Nobody can "change their sex". Transsexuals are significantly more likely to get SRS and have significantly increased genital dysphoria compared to transgenders however transgenders may still have genital dysphoria and get SRS.

>>40405508
>Started feeling trans... around puberty
i feel like that just comes from it being easier to repress as a child. everybodys body type is similar and the only real differences in gender are basically just simple presentation (ie clothes, male/female cliques) and those rules are often broken as children don't really have strict gender rules hard coded into them from birth. Thats learned behavior.

As you get older, puberty begins and a gender divide is more established it becomes harder to ignore tranny feelings.

>>40405345
>cis male
Yeah i thought so. its interesting to hear what a cis person who obviously thinks a lot about this thinks. even if i pretty heavily disagree on a lot of aspects.
I think its less different types of transgender or a difference between transgender vs transsexual and more just different times in which children gain self awareness and understanding of gender as a societal concept. I think a lot of kids only start thinking about it around puberty because that's when it becomes relevant to them.

I think the "self identifying trans" thing does technically exist but is a statistically insignificant number of binary trans people and are generally isolated cases.

t.trans girl

>>40405530
Holy shit no one cares about your autism. Transexuals get SRS.

transgenders are trenders
transsexuals are srs

Fuck that. I tell the man what to do and how to suck my tits and fuck me while he can call me mommy or mistress like a good boy

>>40405649
>As you get older, puberty begins and a gender divide is more established it becomes harder to ignore tranny feelings
If you can even tell what those feelings are. I didn't realize they were tranny bullshit until i was like 19 or 20, and I tried to repress it—I thought there wasn't anything I could do about the dysphoria and didn't wanna become one of those spooky cringe transgenders that the internet warned me about. I kinda feel dumb for not putting 2 and 2 together when I was still in high school, even if I wouldn't have been able to start HRT back then.

Also, it's not like children don't have gender roles forced onto them from early on. I can remember being made fun of for crying a lot (even by my family) and getting in trouble for expressing interest in one of my neighbors' girl toys.

>>40405649
That is the clear difference between transsexuals and transgenders. Transsexuals dysmoprhia presents early in reaction to being male, transgenders present later in reaction to becoming men.
There's a lot of questions you ask that begin to show the differences between them. An easy one is "would you rather be a cishon or a non-op passoid?" You'll also look at certain motivations, for example a transgender might answer the former to that question but give their reasoning as being that a cishon is more accepted than a tranny regardless.

yeah so basically I'm a tranny.

>>40405820
>Also, it's not like children don't have gender roles forced onto them from early on. I can remember being made fun of for crying a lot (even by my family) and getting in trouble for expressing interest in one of my neighbors' girl toys.

Agreed but they were more often broken, mainly when it comes to social stuff. 4 year olds make friends with other 4 year olds, typically 14 years old make friend with other 14 year olds of there gender

>>40405805
god i wish you were real

>>40403457 (OP)
Cuz all women are bottoms (expessually tranners) and want cum down there throat and in there boypussy duhhhh.

>>40403457 (OP)
they don't become women they were always women

>>40403457 (OP)
Peak sex is lying down like a dead fish while the man does all the work fyi

>>40403469
Women are also rapists, the reason you only consider men as such is it's the only gender whose sexuality is demonized in the modern day.

>>40403457 (OP)
because thats what i enjoy

>>40407059
I am and I’m in Texas. I have a date on Sunday entirely planned out by me but I think scared him

>>40403457 (OP)
i have always been this way

>>40403540
>but idk, im on a pretty fucking gnarly hrt regimen compared to most so i get turned on almost exactly like a girl
u sound retarded... anyone who takes a decent dose of e for like a year gets this, you aren't special

>>40403457 (OP)
my first sexual fantasies were about being raped and stuff i've always been like this :/

>>40408553
well if he got spooked he's missing out. i wish you luck finding a subby bf worth your time.

>>40403457 (OP)
i (unintentionally) manipulated my first partner when i was 17 and now i stay submissive because i'm too scared to do anything dominant ever again

>>40403457 (OP)
>sub before transition
>take estrogen
>still a sub

i dont know what you want me to do

>>40409609
felt
testosterone is a poison

>>40409435
HE MESSAGED BACK! We’re still on! I am going to make it