Trans women are women. Switching hormones has a biological impact, as does surgery. Trans women have a female morphology and thus female phenotype.

>>40412189 (OP)
Seems correct

this would be more convincing if you proved it by proving trans women look female in real life

transwomen are males
hormone replacement therapy and sex reassignment only alters secondary sexual characteristics
males that have sex with males are homosexual

>>40412189 (OP)
its '25 who cares?

>>40412189 (OP)
nobody has ever defeated the "if i assume theyre a woman theyre a woman" argument. thats how gender is decided, nobody has a chromosome scanner on hand
>muh nobody passes!
categorically untrue and you know it. you cannot have a measure of passing based on a surface-level evaluation that excludes all trans women and includes all cis women.

>>40412217
Trans women are women. Trans men are men.
Dismissing someone's core identity undermines the trust and unity our communities need to thrive. Fairness doesn't mean agreeing on everything--it means upholding the freedom to live authentically, a principle as old as Lincoln's promise of "malice toward none, with charity for all."

>>40412218
apparently a lot of people

>>40412197
There's no "convincing" going on, moron. There are scientific facts about biology you're in denial of.
Such as:

Hormone replacement changes gene expression, making cells/tissue act more like if they had XX or XY dependent on hormone being added
https://www.the-scientist.com/hormone-therapy-triggers-male-gene-patterns-in-transgender-mens-cells-71014
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220228/Study-shows-the-impact-of-gender-affirming-hormone-therapy-on-epigenetic-signature-of-genes.aspx

Viable eggs from male people, viable sperm from female people:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/05/27/1177191913/sperm-or-egg-in-lab-breakthrough-in-reproduction-designer-babies-ivg
https://theconversation.com/eggs-from-men-sperm-from-women-how-stem-cell-science-may-change-how-we-reproduce-219005

Most women have Y chromosomes in some cells:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32065627/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16084184/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3458919/

MTFs giving birth:
https://www.euronews.com/health/2023/08/23/uterus-transplants-are-already-a-reality-what-does-it-mean-for-transgender-women-getting-p

>>40412222
transwomen are women who are males
women who are males that have sex with males are homosexual
its impossible for transwomen to get a straight cis boyfriend
complete tolerance for trans people is a moral fact

>>40412237
MTF trans women are female women. FTM trans men are male men.
Dismissing someone's core identity undermines the trust and unity our communities need to thrive. Fairness doesn't mean agreeing on everything--it means upholding the freedom to live authentically, a principle as old as Lincoln's promise of "malice toward none, with charity for all."

>>40412242
transwomen are males
thought and social mores cannot directly alter empirical reality
it is impossible for transwomen to get a straight cis boyfriend

>>40412189 (OP)
baitpost

>>40412301
No argument post.

>>40412222
>trans women [sic] are women
>trans men [sic] are men

No. And you'll never build a case on their internal feelings.
Transwomen are transwomen.
Transmen are transmen.
They have their weird little gender box and that's the best we could ever give them.

Anyone who refers to themselves as a 'trans woman' is not a woman.

>>40412309
You already replied ten times. You can stop now, anon.

>>40412309
As someone dedicated to bringing communities together and seeing the real impact of policies on people's lives, I understand concerns about change. But here's the thing: dismissing the identities of our transgender neighbors, colleagues, and even fellow service members isn't just unkind, it undermines the very values of dignity and fairness we all share. In the military, where teamwork is paramount, we see firsthand that respecting someone's identity – calling them by their chosen name and pronouns – isn't about feelings alone; it's about recognizing their lived reality and allowing them to serve effectively and with honor, just like anyone else. Transgender Americans are our family members, contribute to our communities, and ask only for the basic respect and freedom to live authentically – the same foundational principles of life and liberty our nation was built upon. Reducing them to a "weird little box" denies their humanity and weakens the fabric of our shared society. Let's move beyond division and work together to protect the fundamental rights and dignity of all people. That’s the American way forward.

>>40412309
transwomen are women
gender identity isn't contingent biology
cis male faggots are disproportionately pedophiles

>>40412336
What's wrong with more than two genders?

>>40412191
God, she is gorgeous!

>>40412309
>we
who the hell is 'we' here

>>40412219
>nobody has ever defeated the "if i assume theyre a woman theyre a woman" argument
you know the entire internet debate over trannies is just ugly cissoids vs ugly hons right?

>>40412855
gender is an expression of sex.

>>40412219
that goes both ways though. if you don't pass then you're not a woman.

>>40413133
that used to be common /tttt/ knowledge before this board went to shit

>>40412189 (OP)
Only by broadening the definition so as to make it arbitrary.
Trans women are men who think they're women. There's no innate harm in humoring this, until you try to bend reality by playing with words. It's dishonest and compromising truth for your comfort is a non-starter.

>>40412189 (OP)
>smart black man has Caucasian morphology and thus has Caucasian phenotype
Might be true actually

There is more to being a woman than what you think makes you a woman