Thread 40433371

is our pick of men simply just shit? the scraps? the leftovers..? like yea, if we're hot (which i am) we can have many chads that wanna fuck us. but date? hell no. so i resort to trying grindr or taimi, but i have never had a SINGLE positive experience off a gay dating app. bisexual men are literally just broken-minded straight men with trauma that often cause them to be abusive. thats why its a known pattern that DL men are known to be women haters and to treat women like SHIT. BUT THAT'S THE MEN THAT'S SUPPOSEDLY LEFT FOR US??? the fucked up women abusers that choose trannies cuz they have some sort of mental fucked up ness in their head??? fuck that. i deserve better, we deserve better. and yea, maybe im being a little catty because i dont want to date someone too ugly, too soft, or too short, but dating a hot bisexual or DL man is literally 10x worse. so THATS our dating pool! the ugly or mindfucked men! or the troon lesbos on this board who nonstop try to flirt with us like total autist retards. *sigh*

but i digress. excuse my bitching. i know this is probably just the reality of a pre-op trans and im sure it will all change after i get my srs pussy here soon, but i just needed to bitch about this fucked up reality. and also on a side note, i want to clap some hot dudes cheeks before i get my surgery so i at least know what it feels like. i really fucked up not indulging in gay masc4masc and fucking some a hot latino cheeks before transitioning, but alas.

>>40433371 (OP)
Hi girl I don't mean to discourage you but I'm post op and stealth, pretty, hsts etc etc and well I still feel as described. I tend to attract weirdos and I see cis women in committed relationships with guys just my type, I'm not sure what I lack but I hope things are better for you. I thought srs would fix this and it absolutely has helped, especially with dysphoria no regrets I promise but still my soul is barren

>>40433371 (OP)
I have a very gay sexuality in the sense that I’m still attracted to gay men of the faggot variety despite being a loveless ugly tranny and it sucks because gay men don’t date boys with tits and neither do straight men so I’m sort of doomed up until a hypothetical passing scenario, especially living in a rural place where I can’t afford to present femme. Only upside is saving my first kiss which is pathetic but who knows
Even normal asf men are already kind of broken emotionally by gender norms, so I think it’s harder for them to be normal around trans girls because it confronts them with the possibility that other amabs are able to be more in tune with their emotions and not repressed into hell, but it’s definitely possible to find a well adjusted healthy person ! More unlikely as shit hits the fan but possible

>>40433371 (OP)
>bisexual men are literally just broken-minded straight men
hussie cope is so funny lol ur fucking gay men akhi

>>40433371 (OP)
>I'm a massive whore where did all the good men go
Lol.

>>40433371 (OP)
skill issue and always has been. my cis girlfriends are literally jealous of me.

>>40433465
>I'm not sure what I lack
You lack a penis

>>40433465
>no regrets I promise but still my soul is barren
really?? why is that? i literally have all my hot chad snap hoes stacked to message after my surgery kek. idk if this is mentally ill of me but i just tell them im ftm detrans to explain T exposure. it makes me feel like im not scared of being 'found out' and helps me be more proud of my masculine features. desu most my dysphoria ended when i realize almost every trans experience we have, lots of cis females also do (infertile women, ftm detrans, masculine bodies). so im ready for my surgery.

>>40433671
yea theres this gay guy with a huge ass on insta i keep messaging and larping as if im a gay boy. i really want to fuck his ass, but i know he's only into men

>>40433686
its just the truth. i really wish it wasnt, genuinely, but every experience i have with a bisexual man sadly only reinforces the broken-minded stereotype.

>>40433757
im not a whore. im picky and refuse to date men who i know wont treat me right and sadly as a pre-op trans thats like 95% of my dating pool.

>>40433778
>skill issue and always has been. my cis girlfriends are literally jealous of me.
jealous about what? what type of man are you dating and are you pre-op/non-op?

>>40433929
jealous about the men I used to pull and the man im currently dating. we started dating when i was preop

>>40433940
Idk if being the subject of jealousy is desirable but what do u think is what helps you pull good guys? Personality? Conversation ability? Looks?
Generally I’ve been focusing on improving my social skills cause it’s a bit hard to focus on appearance, but it’s kinda hard when u don’t trust ur therapist anymore after they crossed some lines, but working on making myself more approachable cause I’ve had resting emotionless apathetic Garfield bitch face my whole life and no amount of dick sucking lips compensates for my inability to express myself

>>40433371 (OP)
>is our pick of men simply just shit? the scraps? the leftovers..?
yes

>>40434131
im very outgoing and approachable. low in pretension, not judgmental. i make connections super easy and flirt well. i think im kinda mid looks wise (have been told im hot but im insecure). kinda keeps a lot of the low charisma losers and creeps away. plus being so open they tend to give away their red flags way earlier. the places i frequent may have a lot to do with it too. i live in a liberal city and go to clubs and bars where I have good clout and the vibe leans more progressive (none explicitly queer since I don’t go to those spaces anymore). altho desu even in more conservative spaces ive encountered men who make exceptions. i will say tho, your frustration sounds exactly like what I hear from every other girl I used to know who used those apps. i never used them but it seems like the people there are mental or unserious to even be on there in the first place. waste of time imo.
>resting emotionless apathetic Garfield bitch face
yea that could be your problem. maybe not *the* problem but def a problem.

>>40434234
um im OP and >>40434131 wasnt me btw. but yea, your assessment is exactly my thoughts. desu i am just kind of bitching, but i realized the way to bag a normal straight cutie is by only frequenting straight scenes. my ex was a great relationship and i just found him on hinge. it just feels a bit ironic and frustrating that the most healthy relationships and people to find as a trans person feels it can only be found in these straight spaces. i will of course always appreciate safe space queer environments that exist for people to always have support and a chosen family for the many who get disowned by their own family, but the amount of mental illness that is in queer spaces runs rampant, especially from the bisexuals. the problem for me is im kind of a femcel, im scared to go out to a bar or club and publicly be known as the trans person there. how do you deal with that? ive only been a couple times to a gay club on 'straight night' and i had guys dancing on me and asking for my snap, but the moment they find out i got a dick afterwards, they were disinterested. i guess its just a numbers game of sifting thru guys until you find one thats a chad and also ok with your situation, right? but idk, i feel like i just want to wait until i have srs then just claim im real female to avoid all the annoyance and pain.

>>40434429
>im scared to go out to a bar or club and publicly be known as the trans person there.
if this is happening it’s happening at a level im not aware of so I can’t really answer that. im not out in any sense and don’t know of anyone who has ever outed me. the perception of me is def not “the trans woman”. the men ive been with were not experienced with trans women but it was something they were open to. not to say some guys didn’t lose interest but more often than not i find presumably straight guys in the places i go to be pretty open to dating trans women. ymmv
>i guess its just a numbers game of sifting thru guys until you find one thats a chad and also ok with your situation, right?
mostly yes altho a lot of that vetting happens without even needing to disclose. maybe there is something im missing in looking at my experience and making sense of it, but the guys Ive hooked up with, dated, etc were all pretty open to getting with me after i disclosed. I think the type of guy youre attracted to makes a big difference.
where you meet them too. what values they communicate (my boyfriend is very progressively minded). those are all things i take into consideration in deciding if disclosing is even worth it with a guy id like to see again. is the ex marine at a country bar likely to be open to a trans woman? most likely not. is the drummer of a ska band at an artsy type dive? more likely, yes.

>>40433371 (OP)
i've had some good experiences with straight leaning bisexual men. tinder and hinge have been ok while grindr was a nightmare.

>>40434234
This is going on the self improvement that I procrastinated on while I was a repressor board, thank you very much anonette!
>>40434429
Where are my manners! Sorry OP, didn’t write NTA,
Also, if bars and clubs are outside of your comfort zone due to being a femcel, it might work to have a friend drag you out of bed and go with them? I’ve done this with a friend that was going through a bit of a depression for some time and she really flourished socially once she hyped herself up, and the same also works on my younger sister who is a cis femcel, sometimes people need a few pushes
Comfort zones only expend when you’re stepping out of them, and that’s normal!
But to extrapolate on what other anonette said, the kinds of guys who grind on people on the dance floor might lack the necessary vetting that would allow you to identify potential relationships. Folks who are into you are unfortunately not synonymous with trans acceptance

>>40433371 (OP)
reading this and kinda considering detransition... i like gay men...

>>40433371 (OP)
Yes. Thats why I detransed

bump

>>40433371 (OP)
take what you can get, sex toy

>>40433371 (OP)
>hsts
Most of you are just like ‘big John’ Brianna Wu
Meta attracted autogynephiles who fetishize the idea of womanhood and like men mainly as a self insert conformist fantasy. Bonus points if you lie to yourself and erase your heterosexual past like ‘big John’ does. All fields.

>>40433371 (OP)
infamously srs makes this issue worse im sorry to say

>>40436458
How are you inferring all that from the posts here?

>>40434479
>I think the type of guy youre attracted to makes a big difference. where you meet them too. what values they communicate
yea i think thats another issue i have. i think because of my own trauma i drop men instantly if they come off as too soft or too liberal, and idk why but 9/10 conservative men are just hotter. scrolling thru the people on tinder this is always evident which is why i kind of feel like so many progressive men use their liberal-ness as a sexual tactic to attract broken women in a way their looks/height/chadness fails to do so. i always just end up finding men who play a sport in school, have strong relations with their own gender, is confident, have good faith, have somewhat misogynistic values (like wanting the girl to cook when he works and paying for you always) come off as always hotter and more chaddy than a progressive man. but then our transness is for some reason rooted in progressiveness which is frustrating because its like the opposite of what a chad wants. its fine though.. like i said i did find a good bf who was a lot of those things so i know its not impossible, im just venting.

>>40435307
>>40435398
kek i like gay guys fat asses so much. i literally follow some of them on twitter and im like damn i should have indulged before transition. desu though, i do feel even if i did i would end up longing for straight men though. its the reason i transitioned in the first place when i realized young from a straight boy in my class that every relationship i would ever have with straight men will always be imbalanced and end up with me longing for them and them viewing me as nothing more than a thing to get attention from when theyre bored only to drop me the moment a pretty girl comes around. i hated that feeling so much. cut to now, and im so happy that i live out that 'gay boy dream' with straight guys calling me every day trying to see my fat estrognized ass and tits kek i love it. i love how simple they are and how innately protective they are, so for me transition is clearly the way to go.

>>40436338
nah

>>40436458
nah im hsts, you can tell from my posts alone if you have any kind of pattern recognition whatsoever.

>>40436669
>infamously srs makes this issue worse im sorry to say
how though? literally the type of men im complaining about are the same type of broken-minded bisexual men on those gay dating apps. and im ready to be free of them forever. desu, from my experiences on straight dating apps even when i allude to the fact that im 'both genders' the first question they have is do you have a pussy? like i legit dont think they even care because they think im hot and wanna fuck but just have to know that there isnt a dick down there and thats it.

>>40436831
this is exactly what i suspected desu. i see lots of girls go for conservative type guys and have pretty harsh, black and white views of masculinity. its a little baffling to me desu why a trans woman would want that. my boyfriend has progressive values but is otherwise masculine in every respect. he just happens to not be stupid, appreciate art, have empathy, and be open. rigid ppl would say this isn’t “masculine” but to me this is what a healthy, well adjusted man looks like. and his interests, presentation, sexuality, even the way he functions in our relationship is stereotypically masc and heteronormative. personally I dont find the “Chad” ultra masc trad type guy interesting or attractive, especially after dating one and dealing with domestic violence. most of them have low empathy and it’s just not really attractive to be a misogynistic asshole. like i do the majority of the decorating and cooking at home because those are things i genuinely enjoy. i feel like a conservative minded guy would appreciate it way less by seeing it as an obligation. point is you can like what you like but going after those types of men is not going to do you any favors and may even get you hurt. id encourage you to try a different lens and maybe even ask why a guy like that is so attractive to you. some girls seem so insecure in their femininity that they need some ultra masculine conservative daddy to validate them and that’s just not sustainable for a long term type thing.

>>40433465
>but still my soul is barren
fuck.

>>40436458
>Meta attracted autogynephiles who fetishize the idea of womanhood and like men mainly as a self insert conformist fantasy.
This is why so many of them almost exclusively want to be with a cartoonish version of hypermasculinity and are so quick to police men who deviate from that in the slightest as gay or soft. They can’t handle real men with needs beyond food and sex, and want big buff emotionless cowboys who function as a prop rather than an actual partner.

>>40433371 (OP)
I’ve been single for a year and a half after not settling for trannies or ugly chasers and not having hookups, most men only see us as a pump and dump or settle for us until they find a cis woman and it’s fucked. I’m just so desperate for a relationship but even bottle barrel men even don’t see me as an option and it’s depressing

FACT: Long term relationships are for real women.

FACT: Trannies are for pumps and dumps.

Once all of you accept this fact, the faster we can all move on. Thanks for letting me cum inside your faggot hole, though. Good thing you can't get pregnant.

my husband is sweet and cute and good at video games. skill issue.

>>40437738
>>40437789
stuff like this is so far removed from my experience that it makes me feel bad and wonder what is actually going on. Ive dated some pretty amazing men and it just feels…easy? i really wish i could help or had answers but i feel like it would take a LOT of unpacking to get to what is missing. i know for sure that a jaded, fatalist mindset is self-fulfilling even if its born out of experience so maybe its that? hard to guess but i hope it gets better

>>40433901
Im not interested in chasers. If the men I date knew I was trans they would probably kill me lol

>>40433929
That's such a great perspective to have anon. You're right it's no use killing ourselves over "male" features. Like you, I don't see myself as trans anymore, my experiences are so divorced from that of most trans people and at this point, our issues are simply woman issues and not really trans.

I'm not sure about you but when these hot guys show interest I really don't feel much, I always get the impression that their love is conditional. Maybe just because I have a preference for masculine, family oriented men or something but I feel as if I am holding a terrible secret and it bears a mental tole. If this isn't you, I'm glad

>>40437664
That sounded overly pessimistic. Maybe i had meant that having to hide such a huge part of life leads to an almost broken outwards facade. I always get told I seem sad and I am but how do I begin to talk about why? Being so far into transition is a uniquely isolating experience and can make it tough to imagine a future with a loving husband/family etc

Sorry for the blogpost...

Would you date a open and honest repper? Like if they were like yeah I tried hrt years ago and chickened out so that must mean I'm a man.

>>40437896
>uniquely isolating experience
it geneuily feels like (at least for me) I never latch on the to click of normal society. so don't say ur sorry for the blog post I very much get it

>>40437896
>If the men I date knew I was trans they would probably kill me lol
they do know

>>40437976
No

>>40433371 (OP)
>look in the trash, made for gay men
>get surprised when you get trash
Wow!

You can date straight men and not even the scraps if you're hot. You don't even need SRS (though I'm not saying you're a real trans woman if you don't want SRS) to pull them; guys aren't going to see your genitals before you already are interested in fucking them, and if you're going straight for sex ofc no man is going to want to stick around, you're giving him what he wants in the first place. You're not giving him a reason to invest!

You're just looking in the wrong places, like of course you're going to get low-quality men who just want to beat if you're looking on Grindr or whatever. The way to do it is to actually befriend guys you like (you can meet them online, just not on a crappy fuckfest app!) and then let things progress from there. I've actually had to turn perfectly good and interested men *down* (non-OP, don't use Grindr) because I was already taken.

bump

>>40436994
> i do feel even if i did i would end up longing for straight men though. its the reason i transitioned in the first place when i realized young from a straight boy in my class that every relationship i would ever have with straight men will always be imbalanced and end up with me longing for them and them viewing me as nothing more than a thing to get attention from when theyre bored only to drop me the moment a pretty girl comes around. i hated that feeling so much. cut to now, and im so happy that i live out that 'gay boy dream' with straight guys calling me every day trying to see my fat estrognized ass and tits kek i love it. i love how simple they are and how innately protective they are, so for me transition is clearly the way to go.
heeeckin real

>>40433371 (OP)
Take the internet ldr pill anon, you can find the man of your dreams and move to live with him

>>40433371 (OP)
Would hussies here date a man on hrt who gave transition a go but then realized its not exactly for him? Technically I could say im NB but calling myself a man just makes a lot more sense. I assume most of you are far more into more masculine men or really just want a normal partner and a normal life desu, which is totally fine. Im just curious.
Im not really interested in dating an agp again because they tend to have personalities of sulking autistic boys.

also man those all lowercase run on sentences are kinda funny they are difficult to read but they do make sou sound more feminine ill give you that.

>>40440422
wouldnt date you, sorry

>>40440422
nah if u tried hrt at some point in ur life ur a troon i'm sorry i'm not into that.

>>40433371 (OP)
Youre agp as fuck lol go date a tranny

>>40440519
agps don't worry about this kinda stuff...

>>40440535
No this is exactly the kind of incel shit agps care about. youre on female r9k complaining about no bf. Theres nothing wrong w meta attraction enjoy your life but get a fucking grip

>>40437026
yea and its weird because i tried not using the word 'conservative' because conservatives these days are retard trumpies that i genuinely think are more mentally ill than all of tranners. anyone who needs validation from andrew tate and trump i think is just a pathetic, incelic, low T male. but beyond that there is like traditional men in a sense that arent like this and are just well-regulated guys. maybe its my own trauma talking from having a weak father myself, but i instantly fear that empathy being employed from guy is inherently manipulative. i find comfort in the fact of how simple straight dudes are, like them knowing they have to listen to me bitch about whatever, them paying for me, doing shit for me all because in the back of their head theyre just doing it to get some kek.

>>40437708
>They can’t handle real men with needs beyond food and sex, and want big buff emotionless cowboys who function as a prop rather than an actual partner.
i mean im not looking for hypermasculine looks like that, but yeah if my bf cries in front of me nonstop thats gonna turn me off. i want to be the one who gets to cry and seek his strength and comfort and if he doesnt have the honor or pride to be that strength for me (because it will get him some ass later if he is kek) then he isnt high T enough and ill find a dude who is.

>>40437789
nah you aint getting none from me

>>40437896
yea desu im not sure exactly how i will deal with it until i do. i think ill say im inbetween genders but have a pussy to kind of soft launch it and from then on kinda just imply that im trans but not put any energy into it and not have any kind of identity of it any more. i dont want to feel isolation or guilt, so ill just have to wait and see how i handle it. i know i 100% will never publicly identify as trans though

>>40440422
>>40437976
>Would you date a open and honest repper?
nah, for a male to even entertain taking hrt implies you are already far down a mentally ill hole

>>40433371 (OP)
>wall of text complaining about all men being ugly
Yep, I can tell you're from taimi

Are you sure you're attracted to men though?

The short answer is yeah. Hussies get like +2 points in the sex scene, and -2 points in the dating scene. If you want someone to warm your bed, you gotta aim low.

>>40440422
No go date a transbian instead theyll forcefem you and you can do ketamine together
>>40440669
THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF HSTS LMAO
Have fun getting your srsussy filled by a bi man willing to put up with your delusion, im sure thats not why your dating pool is so tragic
Whats the point of srs if youre not gonna stealth

>>40440646
my man i had a three hour long threesome with two men yesterday and didn't experience any DysPHoriA when they called me a good boy. you're just projecting

>>40440669
yea im just gonna be real with you, your mindset is kinda fucked imo. talking about chads and low t males and stuff, and wanting this really performative masculinity, i kinda just get a weird manosphere vibe from all of that honestly. i really dont see a well adjusted and secure guy going for someone who holds those views.

>>40440899
You think the problem with my accusation is that you actually do have sex? No its your entire worldview. This is so telling, like obviously you dont pass and dont care about passing. i am so fucking embarrassed for you. You think like a man, straight men will only be attracted to you superficially.
Im not projecting im in a committed relationship

>>40440429
>>40440441
>>40440669
>>40440777
nta but what about twinks who tried it for the heck of it? kinda like masc men trying steroids yk

>>40440680
>Yep, I can tell you're from taimi
it sucks. the only guys ive dated are off tinder or hinge

>>40440777
>Whats the point of srs if youre not gonna stealth
i plan to be. i havent had srs to know exactly how you feel yet, but i think youre overestimating how much men care. the ones ive talk to on hinge are so down to pursue me even when i do tell them 'im kind of both genders' because im lowkey hot with a fat ass. a lot of them seemed to have an unspoken understanding that i could be trans, but as long as i had a pussy they wouldnt care (unfortunately i had a dick so it didnt go anywhere with a lot of them). i could be wrong, regardless i plan to give some kind of explanation to explain my T exposure.

>>40441135
i dont want performative masculinity lol if i did i would date a retard trumpie who consumes candace owens and charlie kirk goy slop content.
>i really dont see a well adjusted and secure guy going for someone who holds those views.
men dont give a fuck, they just want a fat ass, tits and pussy and thats it

>>40441392
Why do you keep posting these anime things, I thought you're hsts???

Also why do you need to explain your t exposure if you're just a woman? Like if you pass it doesn't matter

>>40441282
> You think like a man, straight men will only be attracted to you superficially
i don't even really care to be honest. i'm just trying to get closer to them. if it works, great! - if it doesn't, also fine. gay men it is then.

>>40441392
everything you say affirms you have a very shallow view of men and relationships.

>>40441282
cont: like this whole obsession with passing is very agp imo. i know the gay lifestyle and i enjoy cruising. i'm literally just bodymodding. if ur into that shit, you either go with roids if ur a masc gay or with strogen if ur a fem gay.

>>40441443
Then go fuck gays what is the problem
Calling yourself a woman will only make it harder unless you actually pass
>>40441475
>I am attracted to myself as an effeminate male because i am repulsed by effeminate males
Good logic lol
Youre literally 1 step off from going t4femboy>t4t

>>40441552
> Calling yourself a woman will only make it harder unless you actually pass
no they like my name and i like it too. it isn't even a name i made up my parents just gave me a fem name when i was born.
> Youre literally 1 step off from going t4femboy>t4t
i'm really into old dudes, chest hair, hairy balls, cum, heavy manscent, etc. i doubt that preference will ever change honestly since it has existed wayy before i even considered going on HRT

>>40441475
cont: like what am i supposed to do with lump, dry transbian cock?

>>40441475
you can also be both, toned femboy

>>40441712
yeah that's what i kinda am. i'm incredibly slim and don't plan on putting on much weight to let the female fat distro show. i just prefer that i have to shave less and being softer emotionally.
like sex is arguably way more enjoyable now because i can fully focus on my partners needs without having to physically please myself. estrogen makes the whole mental stage much more vivid.

>>40441621
>>40441774
I fully believe in agp meta attraction now

>>40433465
asl?
>t. srs chaser

kys
>>40433465
KYS

>>40441911
why didn't u before?

>>40441940
Why :(

>>40442289
are you still looking for a boyfriend?

>>40433371 (OP)
You are never going to have a normal straight relationship because you are not a normal straight person.
Sorry, that's how it is. If you can't come to terms with that, you're going to have a bad time.

>>40442322
I guess so, but I don't really look these days. More like I expect one to fall into my lap

>>40442463
well, good news for you, im right here :) what part of the US are you from, if any?

>>40441960
Just seemed laughably cartoonish for an otherwise straight male to get off to having sex with a man because it makes them feel feminine. Like theres no way thats real, and yet..

>>40442471
Western Canada.

>>40442504
god forbid a tranny loves masculine men...

>>40441621
need you

>>40433371 (OP)
damn i remember going through this stuff in muh youth. Carmen Carrera effect fr fr

To unironically answer: Kinda? You can still find a really amazing partner but you might compromise so to speak up front, but they might improve because as a trans woman.. you tend to have spent much effort on improving yourself and that rubs off on people. I think marriage/senpai is possible, but just sort it out quickly if he's going to cave to wanting biokids eventually. That's the #1 dealbreaker even if they're hooked on you for 5 years.