Thread 40438945

>"Clinicians from the main U.K. transgender service referred to prescribing puberty blockers as “transing the gay away”—a play on the description of old-fashioned conversion-therapy as “praying the gay away.” A clinician who resigned from the U.K. service accused it of “institutional homophobia.” Clinicians at the service had a “dark joke” that “there would be no gay people left at the rate Gids”—the Gender Identity Service—“was going.”"
https://archive.ph/AhPKt
>Fast forward 10 years
>Open Grindr
>Grid is all HSTS post blockers
Am I supposed to mourn this? How is this a bad thing?

>>40438945 (OP)
go live in iran, dickhead

>>40438954
Iranians don't have the NHS.

>>40438945 (OP)
>nooooo don't be gay alan turing we have to force you to take synthetic estrogen so you don't inflict your sodomy on children
>noooooo gay kids don't take synthetic estrogen we have to force you to not take synthetic estrogen so you... don't inflict your sodomy on children! yeah, that's it. we're doing what's right

>>40438954
I am going to move to Iran, where my transness is VALUED!

>>40438967
He would've made a cute girl.

>>40439482
maybe, but he (((wanted))), i.e. it was his (((choice)))(not in the homophobic sense), to be a gay man

>>40438945 (OP)
>that full sized head with those tiny undeveloped shoulders

>>40438945 (OP)
there is a lot of overlap between sexuality and gender a lot of fem gays are prob coping troons

>>40439482
cranial vault says no

>>40439609
trans women are coping self loathing homosexual men spreading a homophobic beliefs system at the behest of the cia and other malingering ghosts

>>40438954
why do yo ucare so much about faggots being in the bodies they hate? is it because yo ustand to gain something from it? like twinks?

FUCKIGN PEDO

>>40439635
coping with not wantin to get your ass beat by 90% of the world is not bad.

coping is generally a good thing contrary to what people on this site say.

>>40439514
>>40439609
>>40439635
You act like if he wasn't born in Thailand he wouldn't have been identitied as a kathoey from prepubescence when there's a maybe 60% chance of that happening. Gender is a cultural construct to give people meaningful status and roles in the community that they can fulfill and be proud of.

>>40439685
out with it. you're saying they should've forced him to take diethylstilbestrol sooner? youre rather freaky aren't you

>>40439746
He was never going to knock anyone up anyways.

Completely valid and believable take from the most rabidly anti trans country on earth

>>40439685
Gender is a way to normalize homophobia and keep gays socially segregated as some form of "other"

>>40439798
They are an other. Straight dudes just don't socialize with them and they hang around chicks because they have more in common. They're a third gender.

It’s the other way around. Western society wants us to gay the trans away, and we’re emphatically telling them no. I will never be pressured into being “just gay”, never ever.

>>40439810
t. homophobe

>>40439766
as a tranny i think it's ok for him to want to be a gay man but you seem to think differently. am i talking to... john money? did they recreate john money as an ai like they did with ian holm?

>>40439874
You will never be a true man. Men do not seek out to get fucked in the ass. Men do not socialize innately with women or see them as peers.

>>40439936
gay people are intersex, that doesn't mean they merit being socially segregated and ostracized
trannies are just a woke closet for self loathing uncle tom gays

>>40439953
>merit being socially segregated
I and many ancient cultures believe otherwise.

>>40439966
if you lived in the roman republic you'd have one name. if you were lucky, that is

>>40440031
Bitch what? Athens is more my style.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%CA%BBafafine?wprov=sfla1

>>40439966
>>40440050
neither ancient rome nor ancient greek accepted gays widely
(and its funny to me that only avowed homophobes claim otherwise)

>>40438945 (OP)
Even before the ban getting puberty blockers actually before puberty was hard enough

>>40440085
Blame retarded androphilic pooners

>>40440067
neither of those claims are true. the greeks and romans didn't have a concept of sexual orientation as being exclusive to a gender. you either fuck or get fucked. men fuck, women get fucked, and deviance from that norm is what they condemned. to liken it to modern sexual orientation is misguided at best

>>40440111
they were too homophobic to speak the name of gays out loud
just like trannies

>>40440114
there were no "gays." there was stuprum attached to getting fucked in the ass, as a male, especially if you were a citizen. the men doing the fucking were under no social proscriptions to stop doing that. quite the opposite, in fact

>>40440137
there were gays in every society on earth, you just don't believe in gay people and are psy-opped into weird "bottoms are women" "tops are straight men" bullshit to cope with being gay

>>40440147
Fuck you. You are the reason for the confusion

>>40440147
omfg it's you again huh. dude, i'm not telling you you don't exist. this is a structural perspective. we agree, i'm not calling you a woman or whatever you're seething about. the romans measured deviance from the fucking/getting fucked roles along a scale of dominance and submission: this is why eating a woman out is the "gayest" thing (i.e. the act with the most stuprum attached) a man could do in rome. it totally reverses the "men exist to fuck and women exist to be fucked" dichotomy. you could be primum pathic (first butt boy) to all rome and still be held in more esteem than the guy who likes to eat pussy

>>40440106
Or yknow. The cis people that took them away because theyd rather put a thousand trans kids through what theyre so terrified of (going through the wrong puberty) than having it happen to a single cis kid.

>>40440147
>"bottoms are women"
Yes.
>"tops are straight men"
Yes.

>>40440106
>>40440564
Such is the plight of being a minority no? That at every point where theres even the slightest intersection between your rights and the majority the majority will win out every single time even when it comes to protecting from statistical anomalies so rare it might as well not even be taken into account.

>>40440564
There is no such thing as a cis kid. If they're male they're either homosexual or heterosexual and their early childhood experiences determine whether they'll identify as something other than a man

>>40440578
a "cis kid" would be a kid who identifies as whatever gender they have been assigned. hope this helps

>>40440578
Either way does that make dysphoria any less valid when its been proven to exist? Does it really matter where it came from? Or are you just looking for excuses to be cruel?

>>40440602
When did I say dysphoria was not real? It exists in both HSTS and AGP but due to wildly different factors. Most gay boys in the west are coaxed out of it by a patriarchal family structure.

>>40440623
Cringe and misinformation-core. Would make the Stasi blush.
10/10

>>40440649
Rebuff something or don't post.

>>40438945 (OP)
>transing the gay away
>more tranbians than ever
They don't even expect us to believe this. They just expect to get their way.

>>40440723
80% of trans women are bi or straight (partial or full androphiles)
find me a SINGLE study claiming a majority of trans women are EXCLUSIVE gynephiles

>>40438945 (OP)
im cis but imagine if being obese were not harmful to your health and someone told you that you should be denied any ability to stop being obese despite it causing you extreme mental distress to look that way and be treated by society in that manner
idk I'd have pretty extreme distress every day so i understand the point troons have

>>40439635
If you remove the claim of literally being a woman or the word woman i find it difficult to morally justify preventing most aspects of transition. Same goes for TRT or recreational drug use.

>>40440807
t. homophobe

>>40440787
>>40440818
no one is forcing you to transition

>>40440578
Not true at all, frankly delusional. There's a subset of men who due to genetics or natal circumstances are predisposed to homosexuality but most bisexuals could've been straight with different cultures and learned experiences. The ironic aspect of this is that the bullying to enforce gender norms can lead to a masochism fetish and rejection of male identity which induces transgenderism. Even Kaczynski had thoughts of transgenderism in the 60s or 70s before you could argue it was purely social contagion. It aligns with Kaczynski's overall failure to fit into the male role due to some undiagnosed mental disorder which fueled his resentment towards society that he tried to justify via anarcho-primitivism. In reality though all his critiques were just things marxists already openly discussed.

>>40440723
You can't trans the bi away, genius

>>40440828
>social pressure doesn't exist

>>40440623
Idk if dysphoria even exists in agp/hsts for different reasons. It's just that the failure to internalize male socialization in hsts has a prior hormonal basis involving sexuality whereas agp is an autistic seeking female socialization after their failures pursuing male socialization. Ultimately it proves sexual orientation as a whole is pretty ambiguous particularly in neurodivergent and traumatized individuals, going against the overly simplistic narrative of sexual preference being totally immutable from birth. That's just a convenient narrative for gay rights advocates and people who find those topics disturbing which I can see the appeal of.

>>40440862
who do you think is forcing you to transition?
>>40440835
theodora was trans. she would've transitioned had that cia spook and harvard professor not psychologically ruined her for the lulz

>>40440887
women want homosexuals removed from society because they can't be controlled by hole restrictions
nobody said forced - its just heavily promoted and people are shunned if they refuse to do it and still act gay

>>40440787
You can't trans the bi away, genius

>>40440901
Ah yes, society famously accepts trans people with open arms while shunning the gays
Excellent reality we're both sharing right now
Do you hear the quiet whispers too?

>>40438945 (OP)
I wasn't gay at all until I transitioned so I seriously fucking hate this stupid-ass narrative.

>>40440906
women know that, they just want you to be castrated if you insist on having gay sex or acting gay

>>40440919
>Ah yes, society famously accepts trans people with open arms while shunning the gays
Iran

>>40440901
you're totally delulu. the sunbeams aren't turning you into a tranny, judge schreber. and nobody cares if you're gay

>>40440923
If you transitioned past puberty then:
>What is AGP meta attraction?

>>40440932
>and nobody cares if you're gay
tell that to all the sodomy laws, don't say gay laws, and religious orgs/schools where coming out gets you shunned/fired/expelled etc.
people still hate gays, that's why trannies exist
you aren't women you are just massive homophobes

>>40440941
there's ONE country where trannies are better off than gays, and it's iran, and it's only srsusstusses. can you name literally ONE (1) other country?

>>40440940
I'm not interested in men. I was never interested in men. I like women, and I like being a woman. It has nothing to do with gay.

I fucking hate cissoids. Kill them all.

>>40440956
there's tons of countries where gays can't marry but you can marry a man if you are castrated
they just mostly don't speak english or publicize those policies globally

>>40440956
yeah pakistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Persons_(Protection_of_Rights)_Act,_2018

>>40440887
I'm not making a moral judgement. I'm saying that this behavior follows failing to achieve male socialization. Kaczynski also had abandonment during infancy due to a serious fever preventing his parents from seeing him. Transgender individuals are a lot more like bisexuals in that they have non-hormonal or non-genetic causes, which is fine.

>>40440960
oh wow, a genuine schizophrenic. i notice you didn't name one

>>40440924
>Iran is representative of the whole world and not its own nation with its own bizarre policies
Ah yeah that's why I can safely visit Dubai or Egypt or the UK. That's why the US is gladly respecting whatever you've done with your documents when you apply for a Visa.
They're actually only making a list of trans passport applicants for our protection.
Y'all are clowns

>>40440901
It sounds schizo but I think this is happening subconsciously yeah. Just like men subconsciously bully and harass other men to adopt male socialization.

>>40440980
it is whats happening
women have poisoned our brains and want men to suffer - this is just part of their plan - they don't see gays as humans

>>40440968
ok, but iran, pakistan... this isn't representative of the west, which controls the narrative on these things

>>40440991
women control the narrative on social customs everywhere - nobody speaks poorly about women in an official, governmental capacity
What happens there, happens elsewhere - people play make believe - that's why the most anti-trans western countries are the most pro-gay ones (scandinavia and the UK are pretty legendary for gatekeeping)

>>40440988
I think when men with mental disorders like autism show any interest in women they're often met with accusations of being a creep. I'm not sure there's any solution at all. It's a tough situation. Even males will reject other males who display mental issues, just not to the same degree. Probably why autism results in agp and also autism likely precludes a lot of the subconscious internalization of male behavioral standards.

>>40441014
the solution is not letting women be so damn homophobic
people are terrified to control females who behave in socially malicious ways
if we jailed females who bully and harass gays - the problem would solve itself

>>40441014
Most hetero men who practice fetishistic crossdressing are prob not autistic. However I can definitely see how autism can make you more comfortable with bringing it into the public sphere as you cannot gauge reactions most people would be ashamed of

>>40441034
>Most hetero men who practice fetishistic crossdressing are prob not autistic
1. heterosexual men don't exist
men are bi or gay
2. actually they are - a lot of autism is about sensory stuff and textures and crossdressing is as much about the novelty of fluffy female garments as it is anything sexual

>>40441027
>people are terrified to control females who behave in socially malicious ways
Yeah i got terrorized by an abusive mother who gaslighted and manipulated everyone around me, it was a traumatic experience. While I realize not all women act this way the capability women have to ruin your life is very scary. Took me decades to start getting over it. There is nothing stopping what my mother did from happening to other men.

>>40441004
>nobody speaks poorly about women in an official, governmental capacity
this isn't true. there isn't a shadowy conspiracy of women trying to force you to transition, unless you're iranian or pakistan ig and even then i'd say it's a conspiracy of cishets and not women per se

>>40441027
I accept this solution.
>>40441004
>women control the narrative on social customs in Iran
Opinion discarded.

>>40441045
Sure, there might be some more appeal. But the basis of the fetish is the erotic target. Rather than hetero I should say gynophilic

>>40441076
>this isn't true.
give me some examples of a government speaking out against women harassing or bullying gay people
women get to do what they want - and what they want is torturing gay people until they castrate themselves out of desperation and fear

>>40441076
That's not his point. There is no conspiracy when men enforce masculine behavioral standards on each other. It's either naturally occurring or learned behavior but almost totally subconscious and never codified, like all social standards.

>>40441120
women pressure men to nitpick each other over gender standards - men do it to make women happy and out of fear of herd exclusion if they don't
notice men dress much more conservatively than women do in most western countries now

>>40441090
i guess i just don't understand why this conspiracy of cishetero women would want to turn gay men (i.e. someone who is not a threat to her chances of finding a man) into trans women (potential threat to finding men)

>>40441147
gay men are a threat to them holding men captive to feed their wombs - all men are bi and wouldn't really pay as much attention to women if they were allowed to be affectionate and intimate with other men because women are unpleasant to be around conversationally
women control society by threatening to deny access to their holes - but that doesn't work with gay men
trans women are neutered - they are not a threat and will never rebel

>>40441194
but isn't men being with trans women equally antithetical to breedercult, since trans women can't reproduce? and allowing trannyism allows "gay men" to pretend to be women and covertly undermine the breeder cult. if it were really as you say, it would be better to keep gay men as gay men so they can be identified for persecution
>trans women are neutered - they are not a threat
don't know much about chinese history, do you?

>>40441248
>but isn't men being with trans women equally antithetical to breedercult
lesser evil
if you won't reproduce - you have to at least castrate yourself (really they only demand the more gender non conforming partner be castrated)
women don't view fags/bisexuals/'tists as good breeding stock anyways so their desire to force everyone to breed is outweighed by their desire to not create weak unsavory individuals who won't provide them resources

> it would be better to keep gay men as gay men so they can be identified for persecution
i dunno mang I think getting them to wear a KICK ME sign (a dress) is pretty effective esp. if you can pretend it was their idea

>>40441274
what i'm getting from this is that you think women are in cabal to castrate you bc you weren't going to breed anyway, and if they castrate you, you still won't reproduce, and you'll be "weak and neutered," but will also somehow now be providing resources for them, even though you're in a relationship with a man. and, if all men are bi, why would they want to castrate you rather than force you to go through straight conversion therapy (to be a cishetero male, not a tranny)?

>>40441326
most gay men DO breed - the ones being targeted the most by women are gay men who would otherwise marry women and breed

take gay boy , give him hrt, get gay girl

>>40441332
but i thought they only demand the more gender nonconforming partner be castrated? you're saying they want to turn gay men into trannies so other gay men say "well, screw this, i'll just have sex with women"? being castrated doesn't mean having srs, the dick is still there. it's really difficult for me to understand what's going on in your mind

>>40441423
no, they want to prevent women from being knocked up by closeted gay men who had planned to just never admit to being gay and larp as straight

>>40441142
there's something to this idea yeah, men seem to care much less about where you're from when evaluating your arguments

MUH HECKIN GAY GENOCIDE

>>40442618
this but without irony

>>40438945 (OP)
It's a good thing. All gay bottoms are women.

>>40438945 (OP)
If I had to choose between having a gay son and a tranny son I wouldn't be happy about either, but I'd pick him being gay every time.

>>40443311
most parents would pick having a gender conforming trans daughter over a flamboyant gay son

>>40443443
I wouldn't be happy with him getting his anus destroyed and probably getting AIDS, either, but it's preferable to him getting his plumbing converted into an unholy mess.

Every mtf i know is lesbian

>>40443493
Most lesbian mtfs are actually bi which means they're actually straight

>>40443493
I think I know zero exclusively androphilic trans women. Though maybe I've met some I've forgotten about, or I didn't know their sexuality.
Quite a few bisexuals. Loads of transbians.
Pretty sure transition leads to a net increase in homosexual behavior.
>>40443443
Good chance I'm intersex. The idea that I could grow up "gender confused" was so horrifying to the medical system of the time that my parents would have been encouraged to "correct" my genitals one way or another ASAP so that they and other family members wouldn't get different ideas of what my sex was and end up giving me mixed messages. And I have the scars to show for it.
John Money thought if you raised us right you could make us grow up into good little straight gender-conforming boys and girls, no matter what we were genetically and no matter what went "wrong" developmentally.
You are absolutely out of your mind. Stop carrying water for people who hate us all.

>>40443443
delusional
my parents literally told me to be gay instead of trans

>>40439635
all faggots are repping mtfs coping by mass drug use pozzing and casual sex

>>40445636
Autoandrophilia

>>40445636
thats just retarded, I've never had anything that can be called body dysphoria, I can look at myself in the fucking mirror, I love my dick, I love being a smooth faggot and I'd never be a female even if you gave me the chance. Our mental illnesses are different and yours is way worse

>>40441428
but i thought all men were bi and women wanted to force gay men (?) to reproduce with them? i thought "larping as straight" is exactly what these women wanted

>>40438945 (OP)
>indian
>in do no harm
>in canada