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Anonymous No.40448534 >>40448577 >>40448594 >>40448612 >>40448668 >>40448919 >>40452450 >>40453860 >>40454700
Can men get pregnant?
Anonymous No.40448544
why did he say it three different times
Anonymous No.40448577
>>40448534 (OP)
Yes, because trans men are men.
But fat people aren't humans and shouldn't be treated as such
Anonymous No.40448594
>>40448534 (OP)
Anonymous No.40448604 >>40448616
none of you are strong enough to cohesively get to the bottom of these questions
lots of emotions invoked yet no real discussion of transgenderism without the constant baits despite how important this is for our lives
Anonymous No.40448612
>>40448534 (OP)
>Theo
Why do pooners always choose names like this?
Anonymous No.40448616 >>40448659 >>40450036
>>40448604
What's there to discuss?
Question : can men get pregnant
Answer: yes

What more do you want?
Anonymous No.40448659 >>40448676
>>40448616
a definition of gender that can be proved that it's more functional than others
Anonymous No.40448668
>>40448534 (OP)
Q: Can men get pregnant?
A: If an AMaB was actually equipped with a uterus/vulva/ovaries and the wrong assigned sex was chosen, maybe. Don't count on that.
Transmen can get pregnant but men almost unilaterally cannot.
Anonymous No.40448676 >>40448703
>>40448659
That isn't what you asked though. Make a thread where you ask that instead of asking if men can get pregnant, which is a simple yes or no question.
Anonymous No.40448703 >>40448756 >>40448766
>>40448676
let me lay what i mean clearly for ya, my point is that all of these silly or provoking questions can be boiled down to what i asked, but no one has the balls to answer that with rigor
Anonymous No.40448756
>>40448703
But I answered it. The answer is yes. It's a yes or no question.
Anonymous No.40448766 >>40448786
>>40448703
>rigor
so in your brain is some idea of what a rigorous response to this question would be
why don't you provide the appropriately rigorous response? what was the point of this thread? state something rigorous worth discussing rigorously.
Anonymous No.40448786 >>40448857
>>40448766
sorry, i do not have such rigorous response myself.
Anonymous No.40448857 >>40448968
>>40448786
maybe it is not so much then that nobody has The Balls but rather that we should discuss something more particular. what aspect of our existence are you trying to examine here? i think that we could have a productive conversation, but to be super honest i kind of have no idea what we're talking about......
>trans men are men > trans men typically have uteri > the uterus (along with its ancillary bits e.g. ovaries) is an organ which allows mammals to become pregnant > men who have uteri can become pregnant > men can become pregnant
this is my attempt at a more rigorous response, but truthfully i believe to look into this any more deeply (e.g. "what is a man") is more a discussion of semantics than biology or sociology. i am here all day long to talk semantics because that is my Shit but i'll bet it will be a pretty circular discussion
Anonymous No.40448919 >>40449049
>>40448534 (OP)
regardless of if you think trans people are there gender or not the answer is yes. if not and going by chromosomal sex, XY intersex women have gotten pregnant before meaning men, if trans men are men then yes men can get pregnant
Anonymous No.40448968 >>40449049 >>40449172
>>40448857
i'm pretty sure that does follow from "trans men are men" but yeah what i wanted was either
a solid argument to why i should think of every person who claim to be a man as a man
or
a narrowing of trans men (trans men who experience dysphoria, who pass etc.) to then show an argument why i should think of that group as men

btw know that i'm questioning myself evem though i'm playing the transphobic here, i'm just glad to find someone to argue with
Anonymous No.40449044
Its cringe but you get a kid. So it could be worth it for you.
Anonymous No.40449049
>>40448968
here's one for you. sex isn't as binary as you believe in highschool and prior exemplified here
>>40448919
a lot in biology is unable to easily be put into boxes like that so sex is an inadequate measure to decide these things in a functional society which is why we turn to sociology which tells us, when something fills certain expectations and is treated a certain way it is effectively that thing which is a social construct
example it's hard to define a chair and exclude everything that's not a chair because that definition is socially constructed, same with gender, so whoever passes as a woman or man and is treated as one is that gender, those who don't usually aren't treated as either so would be a secret third thing
Anonymous No.40449172 >>40449392
>>40448968
mmmm...
assuming that the speaker is not lying, and assuming we agree that sex and gender are different things (which we can also discuss), i think, possibly transphobically, that it sort of depends on the perception of that speaker's audience, unfortunately. which is to say that as much as i, on a personal and dogmatic level wholeheartedly and truthfully believe that anyone who honestly claims to be a man is a man, full stop..."man" is a role people play in society. usually they're the ones born with testicles and whatnot. but they're also a collection of myriad traits and behaviors, which the rest of society sees and says, "okay, this individual is a man." anyone who plays that role is a man. this probably makes some femboys socially women, despite the fact that they are, in my own view, men who claim to be men. men can get pregnant because there are people who play the role of "man", people who are of the gender "man", who can become pregnant, but, in a roundabout way, i'm not sure i *can* provide you with any solid argument as to why you should think of every single person who *claims* to be a man as a man, if you (not you, specifically) are a transphobe. i can, however provide an argument that manhood is arbitrary, and that it is possible that, in time, society will come to see that anyone who does honestly claim to be a man is one.
i'm sorry i couldn't give you what you wanted.....but i would earnestly love to hear someone else tell me why i am wrong lol. i kinda feel like an asshole, thinking this way, but it feels rigid and objective, based on the premises that sex and gender are different and that gender is a social construct, both of which things i believe.
some anon please come poke some holes in this for me
Anonymous No.40449392 >>40449992
>>40449172
you did your best anon, that is a solid reply

my only question you is, since you consider being a man a role, do you think breast removal is unhealthy/unnecessary for trans men or do you think that sex characteristics are still important to fill that role

also two identical trans men with identical personalities, except one has all manly hobbies and the other has all feminine ones. do you think the prior is more of a man because of his hobbies?
Anonymous No.40449992
>>40449392
well, like i said, it's a holistic thing (i think)...a beboobed man is probably going to have a harder time existing as "man" in the eyes of the world around him, but i've seen a few shirtless trans men pre-op who really couldn't be mistaken for women any way you slice it. they don't need top surgery, but i'm sure it would make them more comfortable, and i believe that we should all do everything in our power to make ourselves happier and more comfortable. get top surgery or don't. i'm getting vaginoplasty, personally. i've lived as a woman for several years and my penis isn't preventing me from doing that (even when naked, because my husband sees me as a woman), but.....i don't like it very much lol. so i guess yes, it is potentially unnecessary, but i don't think at all that it is unhealthy. if it makes you happy, that is the most important thing (even if it means you pass less; i've also thought about top surgery, though i'm not really planning on getting it. i just think it could be nice)
for the second question, i guess i kind of don't know. it wouldn't make a difference to me, but i know i've heard many times men derided for being "less a man" than some other referent for having the wrong likes and dislikes. whether people mean that literally or not i'm actually not sure. so maybe? but also, i just asked my parents if they literally thought of me as less of a boy for liking feminine things as a child, and they said no. so perhaps not. maybe i'm thinking about this on too autistic a level for it to even retain any semblance of reality. maybe nothing i say means anything at all lmao. maybe that means i should reevaluate my perspective.......
Anonymous No.40450036 >>40453816
>>40448616
incorrect, men cannot get pregnant, women taking testosterone can get pregnant
Anonymous No.40452450
>>40448534 (OP)
Wtf he looks exactly like me and I'm cis
Anonymous No.40452463
I wouldn't want to be the kid
Anonymous No.40453786
So does he celebrate mother's day?
Anonymous No.40453816 >>40453863
>>40450036
men can get pregnant IF they are
a) chimeras (a mix of xx and xy)
b) swyer's syndrome (SRY gene isn't on - so genitals remain in an undifferentiated state - and thus stem cells can somehow be turned into a womb that will accept a donor egg but won't make its own eggs
Raven No.40453860 >>40453863
>>40448534 (OP)
No, of course not
Anonymous No.40453863
>>40453860
see
>>40453816
Anonymous No.40454129
oh god. look at "his' chin. and then the fat everywhere. god damn, what an abomination. chris chan 2.0
Anonymous No.40454700
>>40448534 (OP)
OP i'm going to brutally rape you
Anonymous No.40454722
It doesn't surprise me that cis men would be intimidated by this. Not only did they witness someone willingly become a man from scratch, but that person was also Chad enough to have their own kid and not abandon it when things go too hard.
More man than they could ever be, so the only move is to try and disqualify the competition.