I really want to take estrogen but I know I’m just a dumb cis male with morbid curiosity I’m not even close to being trans I’m not even feminine I just feel like it would be nice to have soft skin and squishy thighs I wish men who take hrt was a real thing and not just a 4chan meme

why is this site dedicated to glorifying chemical castration and making it seem like an infallibly panacea for all your problems?
are you cia?
who is paying you?

>>40454181
I didn’t say it would solve any of my problems I just want to know what it feels like

>>40454172 (OP)
Drag queens, sissies, and femboys exist. You don’t have to be gay to do any of that either.

>>40454231
trans women = drag queens = sissies = crossdressers = femboys

I'm a cis guy who has been on estrogen for about 7 years. Used to think I'm a troon but realized pretending to be a woman was cringe. Now I'm just a dude with really good-looking skin. It's great, though you will get moobs. And you better not care about fertility/reproduction if you want to mess around with hormones in any way.

>>40454172 (OP)
You don't sound very cis nigga. This is the kind of shit I would have posted years ago, before I figured my shit out. Now I'm on 1 month HRT and I really like the skin changes. You could just go for an androgynous look.

>>40454231
they don’t take estrogen tho
I don’t want to act all fem or anything
I just want to try estrogen

>>40454322
estrogen doesn't do anything meaningful to change your social or biological gender
>soft skin
>conetits
le wow

>>40454271
Are u real or just meming

>>40454276
>1 month HRT
please bless me with your knowledge

>>40454326
I'm 100% real.

>>40454324
>estrogen doesn't do anything meaningful to change your social or biological gender
i mean this is just obviously untrue lmao

>>40454335
you are delusional

>>40454324
I don’t want to change gender tho I just want to know what it feels like to be estrogenized

>>40454361
what do you mean by changing gender?

>>40454343
i mean it literally meaningfully changes your biology. are you on it? cant drink the same, no muscles, normal shaped boobs, can't reproduce etc. etc. look at someone who's been on HRT for over 5 years and tell me there's no change to their biology

>>40454361
just take it and don't socially transition then?

>>40454364
full time public crossdress -> people get the hint and start calling you she and ma'am -> you believe they perceive you as female now, so you think your "gender" socially recognized sex has changed due to your costume

>>40454377
ok but you don't need to crossdress to take estrogen

>>40454364
I don’t want to be a woman at all
>>40454375
that feels wrong idk feels even weirder than being a tranny

>>40454370
you will never look or act female

>>40454382
>I don’t want to be a woman at all
what part of being a woman do you not want?
it seems like you want a lot of the physical characteristics

>>40454324
It affects your bone structure too retard, even if youre a lateshit

>>40454390
I don’t want to dress like a woman I don’t ppl to think I’m a woman and I certainly don’t want to talk like a woman that’s cringe

>>40454172 (OP)
U can do it for 3 months without any permanent effects

>>40454384
i mean i do but sure, better question, why are (You) on the tranny board if you dont want to be one hmmm?

>>40454394
it doesn't give you a female bone structure
you still have male proportions and ratios to all of your bones

>>40454172 (OP)
yeah well tits on a guy who insists hes a guy looks dumb, atleast trannies insist they arent men

>>40454403
I want to remind trans women they are men living a complete fabrication because others demand they do so. They are just retarded monkeys doing the antisocial bidding of other monkeys. You have no brain, no self-will. You just do what you are told.

>>40454403
that wasn’t me (op) I’m here bc I occasionally have faggot thoughts but I’m also kinda homophobic and this is the space for that

>>40454410
how is that any different from money or nationality, and people die over those

>>40454181
it's people who really really want to do it but dont want to seem too eager to do it

>>40454425
because trannies are doing something that only hurts them because it makes others happy - perhaps yes like a soldier dying in a way for old rich men - but trannies are just such happy little slaves they love their predicament and try to enfold others in it

>>40454398
but you want to be like a woman physically

>>40454322
There's lots of people like you who take estrogen anon
Most "trans women" outside of the really middle-class, idealistic ones, if you get close with them, will admit in private they don't really 'feel like a woman' they just either had physical discomfort at physical masculinisation but 0 thoughts about social stuff, wanted to look twinkier/andro, did it for sensuality, or had odd autistic/schizo esoteric reasons for doing it like me >>40359423
I'd argue at least 40% of 'trans women' actually ID as 'non-binary trans women' aka secretly still a boy with it a little bit

>>40454433
A happy tranny? Unlikey

>>40454433
What? What the alternative to trannying that the tranny likes more.

>>40454410
>men living a complete fabrication because others demand they do so
literally who is demanding??
>retarded monkeys doing the antisocial bidding of other monkeys. You have no brain, no self-will. You just do what you are told.
unironically touch grass

>>40454436
not really in don’t want to be curvy or anything I just wish I was a cute boy instead of a normal dude

>>40454437
>I'd argue at least 40% of 'trans women' actually ID as 'non-binary trans women' aka secretly still a boy with it a little bit
i think if everyone was actually being honest about it, this figure would be 80%

>>40454458
if that is actually true I wish ppl would talk about it more most of the popular discourse around trannies treats them like they’re real women

>>40454410
Why do you care even if that were true? Like what is driving your behavior rn? I genuinely do not understand it. Nobody here wants to hear from you, do you enjoy being antagonized? Is your ego so unfulfilled that this is your way of feeling morally and intellectually superior? Why not do something enjoyable instead?
The hypocrisy in calling anyone antisocial and lacking self control would be funny if it wasnt so sad.

>>40454470
theoretically i wouldnt mind being considered a third gender except that normies (rightfully) do not gaf about that and need a box to put people in, and i sit closer to the woman box than the man box wrt how i fit in. for example idgaf about sports but i do care about being covered by title ix protections in the workplace. i don't want to get stared at in the mens restroom, and i like being rewarded for kindness and having men be kinder to me. i am also frail and rapeable so i need the social protection of womanhood

>>40454470
its what my bro's see trannies as, I think this is just a matter of trannies needing to communicate that what we and normies see us as is basically the same lol

>>40454496
Sometimes when someones lonely and no one will engage with them then they learn that by being offensive they get lots of negative attention. And negative attention is better then no attention

>>40454503
Thats actually very pathetic. If i ever got to that point id kms

>>40454450
Take anti-androgens instead
retard

>>40454585
doesn’t that just give you osteoporosis

>>40454593
You want soft skin AND hard bones? Fucking princess over here

>>40454496
Because I am trying to save people from hurting themselves. Trannies are predators trying to destroy lives.

>>40454593
yeah that would be literal chemical castration, you really should have a sex hormone in you lol

>>40454606
so what is the good alternative for trannies

>>40454620
accepting that men can be feminine without having to take hrt
do all the things you would do on hrt - without taking hrt

>>40454621
Its not like HRT kills you, why not just go for it then?

>>40454626
hrt deprives you of full enjoyment of your body and sensitivity
it's a deprivation, a punishment

>>40454628
You just get new enjoyment, and its reversible some people try it and realize it drives them insane so they stop. I crossdressed and it was nice but its nice for it to go more than skin deep.

I am afraid of the surgeries though, those are butchery and I would only recommend them to someone genuinely tormented by their dick.

>>40454639
i will say though, anyone messing with this stuff should probably make sure they are in a sound state of mind unless the dysphoria is genuinly crippling, and knowing a lot of trannies that can be a big ask lolol

>>40454639
>breaking your dick is actually new enjoyment
you are in a cult

>>40454609
I only take anti-androgens and im fine
i just sometimes fall unconscious

>>40454645
it works differently, you get like a weird female style orgasm. Like I said clearly not for everyone but I mean if you know what you want its not a bad choice. And I like men so its not like I needed the sperm for anything.

>>40454437
>>40454470
The problem is anglos. The anglos want things this stupid way. The only trans people who get to be corpo representation are the ones that are happy with anglo society's reductive ideals that get stated as fact over and over, like treating sex as binary rather than bimodal. It's a pain about the musician Sophie dying because she was only of the only ones we had getting freaky with it almost in the mainstream.

>>40454651
>chemical castration just gives u female orgasms bro
the lies troons will tell to spread their castration cult are INSANE

>>40454699
Castration like used for sex criminals removes both, replacing it with estrogen is its own thing. Obviously YOU wouldn't want that but some people do.

>>40454181
>chemical castration
like its not even causing your balls to stop working FOREVER(maybe after long time on hrt), its closer to chemical vasectomy

imo injecting alcohol to your balls is the REAL chemical castration

>>40454172 (OP)
u can anon, just go and take it

i would get on hrt if not for the massive increase in heart attack and stroke risk

I'm a never failed anywhere even once manmoder and I am basically something like a cis man who takes estrogen. Not really because I do have dysphoria but appearance wise it's about what you'd imagine.

>I am a guy on estrogen
>I transitioned at 20, have been on HRT for 2 years now
>I'm pretty androgynous, 5'4, kinda lucky
>I like mushrooms, guns, games, art, and playing guitar
>I cry a lot
>I'm a night shift warehouse manager
>I am an extreme misandrist
>I girlmode sometimes
>I wear baggy clothes
>@kris_chrome was my biggest inspo transitioning

I watched every single one of my male friends, no matter how hopeful or kind they used to be, turn into feral monsters. I was terrified of that happening to me, I could feel myself slipping away, like I was falling into a pit. But once I started HRT, its like the fuzziness in my head went away

HRT saved me. I don't have to fight against my body and brain just to be myself. I don't obsess over trying to "be a woman," I'm just myself. I consider myself a guy, just cuz I've been one for so long, [spoiler] but calling me a man is laughable [/spoiler]

>>40454172 (OP)
OP, you don't need severe dysphoria or the desire to be a woman to take HRT, you can do it for whatever fucking reason you want. Look over the affects and see if you want them. Don't let transmedicalists and psychologists dictate and define a spiritual decision. The human experience can not be described with words. Do what is best for you

>>40454437
the post this anon referenced >>40359045
describes how I feel perfectly

>>40454271
how do you feel like you get treated socially?

>>40454231
sissies are disgusting fetishists that objectify women,
>>40454361
how do you feel about being a MAN? a big, hairy, bushy-bearded hulking mass of muscle and flesh? is this what you are, is that what you want to be? How do you feel knowing that testosterone will inevitably turn you into that?
>>40454450
that's a fair reason to get on it desu
>>40454470
agreed
>>40454699
your obsessed, gtfo of this thread and talk to normal people your probably insufferable IRL. orgasms do feel different, btw

>>40454172 (OP)
Oh great another cis woman dressed in cow cos...
>@jakewarden

>>40456047
>how do you feel like you get treated socially?
Pretty good. Family members view me as a metrosexual prettyboy, strangers often mistake me for a woman. No one was ever rude to me because of gender issues. I believe the general rule is that as long as you're reasonably attractive and not a slob or a weirdo, people will treat you nicely no matter how you present.

>>40456317
yes thats true.

>>40454172 (OP)
they exist as much as you want them to, if you want hrt then take it (just be safe) and don't let other people rule your whole identity
the point of using hrt is meant to be for your happiness, if it would make you genuinely happy then that matters

>>40454181
you can avoid the negative effects if you want to

>>40458462
i tried it and i got aches and pains from losing muscle mass, idk how others don't get that issue?

>>40454172 (OP)
just do it.

>>40454727
> imo injecting alcohol to your balls is the REAL chemical castration
wait wait wait does ts work? is this a chemical orchi?

>>40456047
dude ur trans btw

>>40454181
>are you cia?
dr pavel i'm agp

>>40454172 (OP)
i did it
stopped because of tits

>>40454172 (OP)
Do it, you're gonna get ugly and die anyway we all do

>>40456317
yeah but there are weirdos out there and what if you have low self esteem to begin with you don't wanna get noticed

this is basically what i am. people think im trans and I go along with it, but i know I'm just a faggot man who takes estrogen deep down. so what I have dysphoria? im a gender dysphoric faggot man. i shave my body, i got laser on my face, i wear faggot clothes, i have a tranny haircut, i take hrt and have tranny titties. it doesnt change that i am unfortunately a man, just as JK Rowling, Trump and others have said. however I disagree with them when they say being trans isnt real and shit, some trannies are definitely women. but i am just an unfortunate gay faggot man who happens to have things in common with real trannies. its really pretty sad

>>40463057
being trans isn't real
you take hormones to cope with being gay

>>40463062
I would rather be gay then be trans

>>40463062
I take hormones to be better at being gay

>>40456162
>sissies are disgusting fetishists that objectify women
you say it like it's a bad thing

>>40456047
What do you mean by your friends were turning into 'feral monsters'?

>>40454172 (OP)
just how far do you want to go with this nice feeling anon

>>40454172 (OP)
Men can take hrt if they want
>>40454276
>one month hrt
Why are you posting somehting like this when you basically just started yesterday
>>40454370
>cant drink the same
What is this even referring to anon
>>40454585
>anti androgen with no supplement hormone
Yeah thats not gonna fuck him up at all

>>40454172 (OP)
hey