Can a truly straight guy love a tranny longterm = not one night stand, or a ldr, but a real life commitment.

Doesn't the guy have to be at least a little bit bisexual otherwise somethings gonna give at some point?

Maybe the ideal is a straight guy who actually gets off on the idea of being dominant over a failed male? That way if there is something clocky its actually a turn on not a boner killer?

Picunrel

>>40454856 (OP)
idk every guy tells me their straight but then they want to give me a blowie and kiss me and fuck my butt and ghost me.
sometimes i wish their girlfriends knew.
i feel bad for how many girls think their dude is straight.

>>40454856 (OP)
>picrel
crazy how some ppl actually transition while i look exactly the same

>>40454881
its amazing when shaping your eyebrows and a little make up can do isnt it?

makeup skills is the easiest way to transition the face. but its torture doing make up every day. sometimes i have OCD problems about my face and hair and end up spending all day just doing my makeup and hair and then have manic episodes until im exhausted and end up passing out with a face full of makeup and hair done and i dont even get to show anyone.

Looking at u is both inspiring and deeply painful. Congrats

>>40454856 (OP)
>>40454866
you told us that sexuality was a gradation not a black and with thing, remember? ok, I'm going to be honest, I might want to have kids also trans people can suffer for mental stuff that makes relationships... difficult specially long term but I confess that if I find a nice tranny that shares interests and it's chill to be with her I think I would as her for marriage

>>40454856 (OP)
>Can a truly straight guy love a tranny longterm = not one night stand, or a ldr, but a real life commitment.
I would at least try.

No.

>>40454856 (OP)
>Can a truly straight guy love a tranny longterm = not one night stand, or a ldr, but a real life commitment.
Yes, you fucking retard, stop fucking guys before dating them, ofc they're not going to want to stick around if you give them what they want immediately and give them no incentive to stay.

>Doesn't the guy have to be at least a little bit bisexual otherwise somethings gonna give at some point?
No, not if you pass or he's desperate.

>Maybe the ideal is a straight guy who actually gets off on the idea of being dominant over a failed male? That way if there is something clocky its actually a turn on not a boner killer?
Have you considered that part of your problem is that you're seeing yourself as a male. Where are you even looking for guys, if you say Grindr or Discord yes you're thinking of yourself as a male and you will not find straightoids there

>>40454881
bruh, you gotta have a good foundation otherwise no amount of makeup gonna change things.

>gay men who fetishize straight men so much they larp as women to attract closeted bi/gay guys willing to larp as straight men

>>40455053
>>40454904
who the fuck are you talking to lol?????

>>40455053
>Grindr or Discord yes you're thinking of yourself as a male and you will not find straightoids there
true, but if a tranny clearly don't pass then maybe discord and Grindr is the only way of finding anyone.

so Im a straightguy and this is literally only one of about 5 trannies I would consider in five years of visiting this board. Passing girls who really really really resemble women are few and far between

>>40455086
No, they care because if straight men aren't attracted to them, then they aren't women.

>>40455126
straight people don't exist
your mind is broken by homophobia

>>40455125
plenty of 5/10 /pol/chud to /tttt/chud nazi trannies here, you're just not looking hard enough

>>40455177
her racism is a turn off though I have to admit

Any type of sex work would be a real turn off for me. I think taftaj maybe as an exception, but sex work gives me the ick. I wish trannies wouldn't

>>40455418
You realize that disqualifies the majority of trans women who are even remotely passable?

>>40455491
passing is a myth

being straight is just a performative act, ofc you can date men who do whatever society tells them to do, but they will slowly become queer near you. I dated older men, black thugs , bear masculine men, men of family, and they all start falling for it after a time, being trans is being free, and most people fear freedom but will find something special on you, like a pandoras box.

>>40455500
When I say "remotely" I am not setting a high bar. You're thinking
>totally indistinguishable from a cis woman even to a doctor

I'm thinking
>has socially transitioned, has voicetrained, and has had enough laser or years of HRT where she's not running around with a five o clock shadow

And no I'm not here to debate you over your what is a woman personal issues so don't @ me again

>>40454856 (OP)
No, straight men want pussy. They want to cum inside a real pussy.

>srs

Not a real pussy.

>>40455500
>>40455500
>passing is a myth
Is it though?

>>40455545
nta but everyone is going to need to see a doctor sooner or later and medical records get hacked often enough that you might as well assume anything you've ever told any healthcare professional ever under any context (even if you asked them not to write it down) is on the internet for anyone to see

>>40454856 (OP)
A straight guy in the truest, rawest sense wants to impregnate his woman and be a dad. When I'm fucking my fiancée that's what I'm thinking of, getting my nut deep inside her. When I'm fantasizing about femboys, though, I want to degrade them and have rough sex, but never would consider long term.

>>40455537
Yup. Ass can be hot and oral even more so, but pounding a real pussy while it gets you and everything around you all wet and gross is a feeling unlike any other

>>40454856 (OP)
Men who are genuinenly straight don't fuck trannies.
Half the men who fuck the trannies troon out themselves.

>>40455118
>true, but if a tranny clearly don't pass then maybe discord and Grindr is the only way of finding anyone.
Neverpassers who aren't boomerhons are actually pretty rare. Most of the time they just
A. haven't been on HRT for long enough (3+ years)
B. don't know how to dress. You're not going to pass if you're boymoding or if you're wearing spaghetti straps with linebacker shoulders. Don't be autistic

>>40455551
>nta but everyone is going to need to see a doctor sooner or later and medical records get hacked often enough that you might as well assume anything you've ever told any healthcare professional ever under any context (even if you asked them not to write it down) is on the internet for anyone to see
I kinda hope so - true stealthing is sort of evil

>>40455125
endgame baldness wtf

>>40455629
If you are under the age of 18 discontinue browsing immediately

Trannies are only meant for hookups and practicing. Long term relationships are meant for actual women. The sooner you all learn your places as sex toys, the better.

>>40454856 (OP)
why do y’all care about labels so much. is it the autism? if a guy is only attracted to femininity, doesn’t like trans penis, legitimately believes trans women are women, identifies as straight, and the girl passes, then functionally its straight. not just to them but to everyone around them. the only people who think there’s anything unstraight about it are ppl who dont think trans women are actually women

>>40455695
I'm pushing 30 and am sick of babytrans dooming and boymoders dying of thirst while refusing to drink water

>>40455777
sis. you understand that saying most trannies pass is a sacrilege on tttt

>>40454856 (OP)
>Maybe the ideal is a straight guy who actually gets off on the idea of being dominant over a failed male
you're retarded if you believe in such absurds. there are 0 straight men that want to have sex with a man.
why are you so obsessed about having sex with pozzed faggots for which you're only a fetish? straight men have very low requirements as long as you have a pussy and plausibly look like at least a cishon. either you get a vaginoplasty and stealthmode 100% or there will be no happy end. ignore at your peril.

>>40454856 (OP)
Lololol no dude. Men that fck trannies are literally faggots! Sticking your cock in a man's asshole is GAY.
>>40455612
This one gets it
>>40455729
This one is deranged
>>40455761
This one doesn't get it

>>40455819
>This one doesn't get it
like i said, you think trans women are men. that’s why you think it’s gay. there’s nothing else to get.

>>40454856 (OP)
i think yeah. but not if he's straight in the pornhub category sense. like, if “tits or GTFO” is the entire framework, then no, something’s gonna crack eventually. he’ll spiral the first time he sees a stray chin hair in the bathroom mirror.

but if he’s straight in the real way. wants femininity, softness, submission, emotional depth, then yeah, it works. even better if there’s a little something darker in there. like he gets off on the wrongness, the taboo, the “failed man” angle. that kind of guy doesn’t flinch if something’s a little clocky. he leans in and makes it worse on purpose. power over what others call broken. it’s erotic.

so no, he doesn’t have to be bi. he just has to be twisted enough to like it when the mask slips. that’s what keeps it sustainable. not pretending she’s cis, but loving that she isn’t.

that's the fuel.

>>40455804
I phrased the original post wrong, it's not that nonpassers are pretty rare *inherently*, it's that they're a problem of their own making

>>40455846
>but if he’s straight in the real way. wants femininity, softness, submission, emotional depth, then yeah, it works. even better if there’s a little something darker in there. like he gets off on the wrongness, the taboo, the “failed man” angle. that kind of guy doesn’t flinch if something’s a little clocky. he leans in and makes it worse on purpose. power over what others call broken. it’s erotic.
>so no, he doesn’t have to be bi. he just has to be twisted enough to like it when the mask slips. that’s what keeps it sustainable. not pretending she’s cis, but loving that she isn’t.
>that's the fuel.
You're disgusting and obviously real straight men are not going to be interested in that weird thing.

>>40455846
>”straight in the real way”
>describes the most common bi chaser fantasy

>>40455893
yeah, that’s what i’m into. i see trans girls as real women. not in some performative “say the line” way, but in the way that actually matters: how they move, how they submit, how they carry that mix of softness and edge. i’m not pretending they’re cis. i don’t need them to be. i like what they are because it’s different.

and if that truth makes you uncomfortable? not my problem. it’s not weird. you just don’t get it. and that’s fine. but don’t come swinging like you speak for “real straight men” when most of them couldn’t handle anything outside their algorithm bubble.

i know what i want. i’ve lived it. and your opinion doesn’t even register on the radar.

>>40455905
nah, chaser fantasy is pretending she's cis and then losing your mind when she’s not. what i described is knowing exactly what she is and still wanting her because of it. that’s not confusion. that’s the clarity most of you don’t have.

>>40455916
what part of being attracted to the idea of sexually dominating a “failed man” is straight? asking as a tranner cuz that sounds extremely gay to me

>>40455932
you thinking it’s gay says more about your own self-image than it does about me. i don’t see you as a man failed or not. but i do like the power that comes with knowing you used to try and be one.

>>40455930
>what i described is knowing exactly what she is and still wanting her because of it.
that’s the problem. youre not attracted to her in spite of her being trans, you are attracted to her because she is. literally fetishizing her as a “failed man”. stop acting like we are missing anything about your fetish when every other bi chaser posts this exact fantasy over and over.

>>40455950
yeah, i am into her because she’s trans. because she carries that tension. that mix of softness and history and defiance. i own the taboo. that’s the whole point. i’m not hiding it, not dressing it up. i see her clearly and still want her. because of what she is, not in spite of it.

you keep calling it a fetish like that’s the gotcha. like i haven’t already said it out loud and meant it. what you’re missing is that this isn’t some porn-brain “bi chaser” script. it’s deeper. more specific. more real. i’m not pretending she’s cis. and i’m not here for shame.

if “failed man” turns me on, it’s because i like the sharp edges. the contradiction. the surrender. that’s not fantasy. that’s power. and the fact that you keep reducing it to “just a fetish” proves you don’t understand a thing about it.

>>40455939
yes i think you getting off to the idea that i used to be a man is kinda gay. and you are right, it says a lot about my self conception, in that i do not see myself as having ever been a man.

>>40455967
i understand everything you are saying. why do you keep insisting otherwise? just because your fetish is deeply layered with symbolism and shit doesn’t mean it’s not a fetish. go write poetry about it for all i care, it’s still a fetish.

>>40455987
fair. if you don’t see yourself that way, i’m not arguing. but it’s my lens, not yours. the contrast does something for me. if that reads as gay to you, that’s your frame, not mine.

>>40455998
i don’t think i’ve ever insisted otherwise. i’ve said what it is, and i’ve said why it works for me. if that makes you uncomfortable, that’s on you. i’m not here to make it palatable. just honest

Trans women
>actually you have to be openly transphobic and homophobic and have a "superstraight" bumper sticker on your car and you have to be at least 6" taller than me because of my AGP and you have to say you're making an exception just for me because I'm not like the other trans girls and you need to have a ton of overgrown body hair so I can be sure you're not a faggot and you can only drink whisky with no ice and only eat raw meat or it gives me the ick because you're too feminine
Also trans women
>reeeeeee you're not allowed to have any spicy thoughts about me reeeeeee fetishist reeeeee

>>40454856 (OP)
>Can a truly straight guy love a tranny longterm = not one night stand, or a ldr, but a real life commitment.
I am a straight guy and I think I can. As long as she passes and isn't an srsoid

>>40456029
>things that weren’t said
>more things that weren’t said
really beating the hell out of the strawman

>>40456017
>i don’t think i’ve ever insisted otherwise.
we just out here lying now

>>40456029
>dont be a fag
>dont be a fag
Where is the contradiction?

>>40456080
nah, you’re just reading what you want to argue with. i’ve been consistent the whole time. you just don’t like that i’m not ashamed of it. keep reaching though.

>>40456090
You're a chick with a dick stipulating that anyone attracted to you has to mirror your own extremely specific hangups about your body that only 0.5% of the population even experiences (but he can't be a repper!) but that's not enough, you also have to be homophobic and impose your cartoon version of masculinity on everyone, maybe no contradiction but you're setting yourself up for a hard time if you're this inflexible.

>>40456112
>you just don’t like that i’m not ashamed of it.
i literally don’t care if you are or arent. why would i even be bothered? just saying it reads as kinda gay to me. i thank god i dont have to deal with chasers who are running this sort of script in their head but no im not bothered you lil chaser warrior, go live your truth

>>40456132
>no contradiction
You really typed all that up just to admit your post made no sense, wild

>>40456176
You're awfully butthurt over something that you claim makes no sense

>>40456157
you’ve replied to me like four times about how “not bothered” you are. i’m living my truth, you’re narrating it. sounds like one of us is fine and the other’s coping out loud.

>>40456192
Yea I’m seething so hard rn bro

>>40456090
Trannies can only get bifags.
"Real men" (like you say) are for "real women" sorry not sorry.

Yes, but better question is how do straight guys find a tranny to love?

t. Straight guy

>>40456204
Nu-uh! I'm rubber your glue neener neener neener!

>>40456235
>posts stupidity
>admits it
>”You’re mad!”
Move on lil bro

>>40456269
You're the one who admitted you didn't get it you stupid baby, stop crying in here because you're disturbing the grownups

>>40456364
Still funny you really typed all that up

>>40456375
Is it funny or is it incomprehensible nonsense? Get your story straight even if you can't pull a guy who is

>>40456381
>Is it funny or is it incomprehensible nonsense
Both

The impossibility of having children and the inadequacies of modern medicine in perfectly replicating a women's attributes inevitably will reduce even trans positive men's propensity to pursue long-term relationships with trans women, but it is absolutely possible.

>>40456406
10% of reproductive age women is infertile and it will only increase due to fertility disrupting toxins in the environment
the demography is collapsing due to women refusing to have children, using contraception
"i can't give him a child" is not a reason that matters. if you pass, straight men would only not want you because of you disclosing to be a tranny. just like infertile or intersex women are not obliged to disclose it, so aren't you. your aim is to transition into a woman, not a tranny, for fuck's sake.

>>40455125
omg willow she doesnt post here anymore right

>>40456443
>”Sorry I want bio kids”
>goes and hooks up with a cis woman he has no intention of having kids with
Many such cases

>>40455125
I'm pretty sure unchaser exposed her as a transbian

>>40455729
TRVKE
they need to get this in their heads

>>40456443
It's a very relevant issue to a majority of straight men, it absolutely features in long-term relationship planning. And not being honest and upfront with your partner about what you bring to the table is morally wrong and will inevitably doom any relationship predicated on trust.

I know it's a term that has been weaponized by a subset of awful people, but you really ought to feel some shame for even typing that.

>>40456524
Crazy levels of moralfagging and entitlement.

>>40456031
>isn't an srsoid
wouldnt wanting us for dick specifically make you gay? gross. why do I have to stay deformed if I ever want to find someone who will hold me...

>>40456557
the appeal of a tranny is a girl with a dick
a tranny without the dick is fucking useless

>>40456557
Xiniren is an especially pernicious closeted homosexual and chaser trip obsessed with getting trans girls to never get SRS because of his fetish. Please disregard anything this stupid fag says.

>>40456575
many thanks wise anon, I shall ignore that tripfag in the future
>>40456567
>the appeal
can I be apart of a relationship without being a sex object? are all men rape apes?

>>40456557
What if it was the opposite and a man wanted you specifically because you have a srussy

>>40456607
>can I be apart of a relationship without being a sex object?
no?
why else would a man choose a tranny over a woman?

I could but then what would I tell my wife?

>>40456668
Yeah, don't tell the wife or the sidefuck transgirl you're functionally bi.

>>40456610
that would be better I guess. still a little weird, I dont think being some fetish object is healthy long term, but as long as he holds me.

>>40456735
Oh you're gonna get held alright

>>40455126
>if straight men aren't attracted to them, then they aren't women
Then you should really be asking if trannies are capable of loving something on outside of themselves.

i have clocky features, dating a straight guy would leave me feeling like i’d never be good enough. i’d only really be comfortable if he were at least somewhat bi, by which i mean he could appreciate my body in its entirety without feeling like he’s compromising. i don’t care if it would be fetishizing so long as he knew and respected my preferences about things

>>40454856 (OP)
idk why you would want a self proclaimed straight guy and not some one that identifies as a little queer. he wouldnt understand you and would be out of his element when it comes to talking to you about what you're going through. legit just look for a bi dude lol

>>40456804
>Then you should really be asking if trannies are capable of loving something on outside of themselves.
they aren't

>>40456824
The bottom-brain / autogoonerphile brain
... it's terminal

>>40454856 (OP)
>Can a truly straight guy love a tranny longterm
No.

I think I could maybe love feminine ftm who is not on t tho

>>40455053
Trans woman is an infertile mimic of the real thing. There is no long term happening with any of you

>>40456787
please dont kill me sir I'm just a lonely hermaphrodite
>>40456617
well I mean ideally cause he loves her. but I guess all men are rape apes and thats all they think about.

>>40454856 (OP)
can someone help me work out what boots she's wearing. she looks really great

>>40455566
You are gay. Hope your fiance finds out and gets a better man

>>40456031
You are so gay, like always

>>40454856 (OP)
>Can a truly straight guy love a tranny longterm = not one night stand, or a ldr, but a real life commitment.
Yes, but it's difficult long-term because a lot of men get the baby rabies at some point, and we can't impregnate trannies yet (god knows I tried).

>Maybe the ideal is a straight guy who actually gets off on the idea of being dominant over a failed male?
I do get off on that thought, but I also see passing troons as women.
When they show me pre-transition pics it feels weird, like a different person.

>>40454866
nothing gay about oral on a tranny, estrogenized pp is completely different than a straight man's cock

>>40455053
Good post, I agree with everything.

>>40455846
Also this, it feels extremely hot to feel a trans woman's sphincter wrap itself around your big chaser cock.
The way you can "make" her a woman during sex feels amazing and powerful. I actually had a trans woman who said "make me a woman..." during sex. I came buckets.

t. ex chaser

>>40456895
>nooo you cannot be bisexual and into both cis girls and trans girls you are just gay and see trans girls as feminine guys!!

>>40457213
Cis girls don't want bisexuals (gays)

>>40457213
ur a meta-attracted aap gay man.

>>40457243
So you tell them they are "just gay" as a "polite" form of rejecting them not because they like both men AND women (aka being bisexual) but because they are "confused gays on the road of accepting their homosexuality", right?

>>40457200
>nothing gay about oral on a tranny, estrogenized pp is completely different than a straight man's cock
Interesting wording there

>>40457280
>ur a meta-attracted aap gay man.
Could you speak like a normal person? Thanks.

I guess you could see things like paying for dinner, for going out, paying at roadtrips and hotels, various gifts etc as indirect form of payment for sex. I choose to see it as a separate thing

>>40457290
No its just that cis women find male on male sex repulsive and it makes them loose all respect for their bfs if they have such past.
Gay sex is only ok in porn, not when girls date men who could be fathers of their future children.

>>40456874
There's a fine line between pleasure and pain. Plowing you till you get leg shaking spas... I mean love yeah?? Haha.. That's doable sure

>>40457315
Reddit is down the hall and to the left, normalfaggot.

>>40457315
kek

>>40455967
discord? you sound interesting

>>40456550
>wanting an honest partner is "entitled"

lmao good luck with that attitude

>>40454856 (OP)
You'll never have a normal straight relationship because you're not a normal straight person. Come to terms with it or be miserable forever.

>>40456895
I'm not gay or even bi lmao
Wanting to hatefuck femboys into submission while I jerk their pathetic little cocks isn't gay, it's just a natural instinct to dominate a weaker, more effeminate man. I love my woman and she is who I want to MAKE LOVE TO, who I want to kiss and caress and cuddle, etc, while femboys are just sex objects to me (no offense)

>>40457769
>I'm viscerally attracted to boys with wigs, my dick with them becomes like diamonds
>I also want to be a dad and be socially accepted so I fuck my boring GF on occasion too but I lust 90% of the time thinking about boys
You. Are. GAY.

>>40457674
Nobody owes you disclosure no matter how much browbeating and moralfagging you wanna throw around.

>>40457980
enjoy getting hatecrimed then, don't say we didn't warn you

>>40457980
Ok, nobody owes you a lifelong relationship no matter how much deception you try to justify.

>>40458017
>nobody owes you a lifelong relationship
Never said they did. The only one making demands and trying to shame anyone for their decisions is you

Straight men are not even looking for trans women as partners, and it's more infantile fetishistism on the behalf of trannies to delude themselves into believing straight men want them. It's like asking 'can vegans love hot dogs?' You have autism.

>>40458014
we get hatecrimed exactly because we disclose
if we never mention it, we're safe from homosexuals wanting us only for their fetish and feeling ashamed after post nut clarity hits

>>40458068
>>40458029
Braindead/pathetic

>>40458084
You still aren’t owned disclosure, I’m sorry the world doesn’t cater to your ego

>>40458091
I just operate to a higher moral standard than you

>>40458068
Most of you can't hide the fact that you're trans. Height is the #1 way that I can clock trannies, #2 is voice and #3 is hand size. Unless you're 5' 4" with a female voice and small hands, you don't pass.
>we're safe from homosexuals wanting us only for their fetish and feeling ashamed after post nut clarity hits
Gay men do not want trannies, besides the chasers that lie about being straight but they're all cocksuckers.

>>40457306
>>40457200
i dont mind as long as theyre dominant, but i can tell they get dissapointed that i dont have a thick rock hard throbbing futanari cock loaded with creme on tap. and i just have a estrogenated shrimp dick.
but they still suck that thing like a japanese person trying to compliment the soup nazi.

i try to tell everyone but they dont listen, then they always say its the 1st dick they ever sucked and theyre not gay, but its weird seeing these 200+ lbs dudes working my dick making dolphin sounds and gluck gluck gluck gluck sounds like a white coke whore in a trap house. ..


i think im gonna go try to pick up another guy this afternoon out on the strip in good ole plymouth mass.
and see if i can get a free dinner and shake and a hard blowjob.

>>40454856 (OP)
>Doesn't the guy have to be at least a little bit bisexual otherwise somethings gonna give at some point?
I truly believe so, yeah. You have to be *some level* of bisexual to have sex with someone you know was born the same sex as you, nevermind non-ops who have the same genitals as you.

>>40458111
I don’t doubt you believe that. Entitlement usually comes from a superiority complex.

>>40454890
It ain't just that. The hairstyle is undeniably playing a huge part.
Perhaps having a hairstyle that makes it look like you have temporal hair loss isn't a very good idea.

>>40458114
trannies aren't fooling anyone anyway
everyone irl knows they're a troon

>>40458029
Not making demands, just answering the questions in the OP. Also shaming dishonesty is a good thing.
I don't really have a stake in the game other than being sad to see people live inauthentic lives. I don't date mtfs.

>>40458029
Nobody is trying to shame you.
It's about making an informed decision.

If you're a man who had a vasectomy, or a woman whose PCOS makes her infertile, their partner needs to know.

Do you think it's fair to them if they want children and you lead them on?

>>40458068
>if we never mention it, we're safe
Anyone who's ever seen a cis vagina can tell. And yes, I looked at cherry picked, good SRS results, not /pol/ horror images.

>>40458091
Ironically it's YOUR ego that won't let you admit that you're a trans woman. YOU are ashamed of it, that's why you try to hide it.

Internalized transphobia.

>>40458128
>they always say its the 1st dick they ever sucked
us chasers do this to appeal to your ego

every tranny wants to be a straight man's first, it makes her feel special

>>40458150
More moralfaggotry. Sorry it bothers you that we don’t wear pink triangles.

>>40458176
TRVKE
real ones know how to play the game

>>40454856 (OP)
>Can a truly straight guy
Define a truly straight guy. Sexuality is a spectrum, just like gender and autism.
There are plenty of men who'd be more than willing to fuck a passing transgirl, but would never go anywhere near a twink.

>>40456557
>why do I have to stay deformed
You aren't deformed for having a penis. Having ab SRS hole is a true deformity.
>>40456575
>you like non-ops but not srsoids? you must be a closeted homosexual even though you like cis women as well.
>>40456607
>can I be apart of a relationship without being a sex object?
If you pass and aren't mutilated, yes. I actually want a long-term relationship with a trans woman
>but you only like me for my dick
Men don't like cis hambeasts either. It's a similar principle

>>40454856 (OP)
dawg men dont even love cis women

>>40454942
Youre not straight though if youd try

>>40456806
Only sane individual itt

>>40457200
>estrogenized pp is completely different than a straight man's cock
Actual straight men find other men’s phallus to be disgusting. There is no such thing as feminine penis, it is disgusting to the truly straight male on a deep internal level. Same with how lesbian afab are only sexually interested in vagina. Im so tired of the mental gymnastics people use to claim theyre straight. Just say youre a little gay for experiencing sexual attraction to penis.

>>40459794
I am straight but if wanting to have sex with an intact transwoman like pic related and then cuddling her afterwards makes me gay in your eyes, that is on you.
>>40459703
Don't be retarded.

>>40454856 (OP)
No, not really.
They can like them well enough as a friend / partner but its never gonna be the same as a real woman.
Its possible sure, but highly unlikely, because they know what you were born as. If they never know or find out maybe, especially if they dont want kids or already have them.

>>40458184
living as a woman i.e. crossdressing full time in public is the new pink triangle for self hating homosexual men

>>40460078
xiniren you spend your days on the faggot board and tell every tranny not to get srs. you're not straight.

>>40460125
dating "trans women" who have had srs is just as gay

>>40454856 (OP)
Pic rel>>
Dude left. Fem dude/autistic andro girl right. If a straight man would be with tranny hes not straight, a real straight man would not be with a male pre or post op, especially pre. A man would have to be a lil bi. Men get with trannies for usually one of two reasons : Dominating a failed male, or they like both the male and female aspects.Theyll usually choose a real female eventually.

>>40460142
SRS changes the game nigga

>>40460078
You love transwomen for solely self servicing purposes. If you actually loved them you would desire that they become legitimate women through sexual reassignment surgery, something that would actually affirm their gender identity. Instead you want them to keep their most male feature because you, as a gay man, are sexually aroused by the thought of it. You are a gay man who is so deeply closeted you have to cope with your love for penis through cognitive dissonance and it negatively affects transgender woman which is Sad!

>>40460734
>You love transwomen for solely self servicing purposes
I love them for more than just their penises.
>If you actually loved them you would desire that they become legitimate women through sexual reassignment surgery, something that would actually affirm their gender identity.
Even if she's okay with her penis? SRS doesn't make you a cis woman. It cannot give you ovaries, XX chromosomes or even a real vagina. All it does is create a surgical wound where her penis used to be.

>>40455592
>all wet and gross is a feeling unlike any other
hmmm what a way of putting it - very romantic - huh?

>>40460164
Post your own pics Raven

>>40454856 (OP)
Depends, What Is Love?
also lol 10 year old ashley pic

>>40455126

>>40460811
Then go find one who is ok with her penis and stop going around shaming and harassing trans women who have the surgery and trying to discourage others from getting surgery you ugly chaser faggot.

>>40460811
>I love them for more than just their penises
You wouldnt love them if they had srs to treat their dysphoria though so no you really dont love them for more than just their male genitalia. Typical gross penis gargling chaser behavior

>>40459915
Humans are very penis-focused animals in general. Compare human penis sizes to those of our closest relatives in the animal kingdom like primates-- we're fucking hung. We intentionally bred to have bigger dicks over thousands of years because most of us at some level just really like dicks.

>>40461780
>treat their dysphoria
>illness that can only be diagnosed through you saying you have it
>only treatment is castration
hmmmmm
just seems like a way to pretend castration is voluntary when it's done under duress and promise of a better life

Thats my pretty girlfriend!! She made me a yummy egg quesadilla today!!

>>40454856 (OP)
why do you guys always insist on using the worst fucking pictures of me, I'm sure you've got my twitter to pull something atleast decent
>>40456886
$40 boots from an outlet store, my friend got it for me for my bday, could probably find something similar at any major clothing outlet they're nothing special
>>40461530
>ol 10 year old ashley pic
fr idk who's still holding onto this shit, it's embarrassing to see

>>40461702
>how dare you warn trans women about the negative consequences of srs

>>40461999
Probably from reddit I doubt they actually know who you are.
Also stop posting here.

>>40462011
>Probably from reddit I doubt they actually know who you are.
I don't see how people from reddit would have my pics, the first one especially isn't exactly a common one to go around
>stop posting here
I rarely do

>>40462027
Because people feed pics here to reddit and twitter pages that get saved by dorks.
>I rarely do
Do it rarelier, it's even worse now.

>>40462040
>Because people feed pics here to reddit and twitter pages that get saved by dorks.
screenshots maybe but I'm from a bygone era and wasn't ever worth screenshotting so I find it unlikely
>Do it rarelier, it's even worse now.
fine, goodnight

>>40454856 (OP)
idk i just got with a fake bisexual

>>40462089
A what

>>40462077
iirc there was already an epic trans timeline post on twitter or something from a few years ago where someone just stole your pics
Now that shit is even worse it's better to be irl than this toilet.

>>40459915
>There is no such thing as feminine penis
this mf has never had a mouthfeel of gock

I pity you

>>40454856 (OP)
i'm currently pining for a trans gal i dated for a few months. i really wanted to gf her but she didn't love me back. personally i never identified with the domination or 'failed male' aspect. that feels kind of perverse.. i just want to be with a girl who's hot and into me
t. straight guy

>>40462111
he says he bi but he only tops silly hehe

>>40454856 (OP)
Yes it is possible but it depends on the trans girl.
Having swordfights doesnt greenflag for his 100%straighness.
If he is into your neo pussy, i'd call it real

>Can a straight guy love a man

>>40462710
trannies are delusional homosexuals

>>40462722
but they take estrogen anon

>>40461999
>>40461999
>I'm sure you've got my twitter to pull something atleast decent

you asked. the internet delivered.

>>40456557
>wouldnt wanting us for dick specifically make you gay?
yes
>>40456557
>gross
agreed
unfortunately tttt is full of shameless bottom chasers

>>40461530
>also lol 10 year old ashley pic
she is like 20 years old isn't she

>>40461928
>Thats my pretty girlfriend!!
lucky
>>40461928
>She made me a yummy egg quesadilla today!!

lucky lucky, watch the cholesterol though

>>40457618
douchey

>>40462006
You’re not concerned about that. You literally just want to scare women into not getting a surgery. And if they have a surgery you insult them. You can stop lying anytime now you cock loving fag

>>40464450
thats your discord?

>>40464567
yes

>>40463020
Needs a CK croptop

>>40454856 (OP)

If you're post-op with a neovagina, then yes.

Pre-op, no. That's a repressed bisexual.

>>40454856 (OP)
I am kinda bad for openly talking about banging tranny hookers around friends and at work and I can say that every straight man I know would never sleep with or date a tranny. I think if half of them got tricked they might kill them.

I joke about being straight but IRL I say bi but I have zero attraction to masculinity or men but girls with dicks are my biggest turn on partly because I have so man issues around cis women

>>40454856 (OP)
Yes. The short term attraction is tied to sex, but the long term attraction for me is tied to how smart they are. A relationship with 2 smart weird people has endless possibilities and will never get boring

>>40465031
>I don't like men
>I only like women (cis or trans)
>I call myself bi even if I'm primarily straight
>women don't like to hear I'm bi and ghost me
>they imagine me bottoming for manly men
Hmmmm it sounds like a retard take anon.

>>40465120
Ys straight women are disgusted by bi men and for good reason. Infact it is a direct cross over with straight men when they find out a girl has a high bodycount. It tells them they are an unfit mate long term. This is universally true

Also I never mentioned what women want once? I said my friends/people I work with would never sleep with a trans girl. If anything people have become more transphobic lately and tell me about it often lol. Sometimes I think about showing them grinder to see what the gay community is really like as most are unaware of poly / pet play degenerates. Hell the most damaging thing to the trans movement is transbians

>>40465157
Oh a lot of them are masking. They are just trying very hard to be what they think "men" are. They're scared shitless at being called gay. Their porn search history might surprise you. Not all of them, but way more than they realize.

The biggest haters are the ones most afraid of others judgement. They're also really easy to sell an overpriced mechanical toy like a truck or atv to. Why? Insecurities make people easy to manipulate. Especially when they're surrounded by other men just as afraid as they are.

>>40454856 (OP)
I respond to every one of these I catch so people can have a positive counterpoint to the usual discussion.

Yes, they can. I was with a cishet guy for 16 years and married for half of those. And had a few friends over the years that were the same.

It happens.

>>40465555
But how did you know
Did you get inside his brain to see how you're seen?

>>40465568
How did I know what? That he was absolutely straight? Lots of real-world confirmation.

He also didn't know I was trans until I disclosed (very early).

But besides those? Yeah, you spend 16 years with someone in a respectful relationship, you're about as close to "inside his brain" as you're gonna get.

He helped me fight off brainworms in the early days all the time. Had an easier time seeing it clearly than I did.

>>40465568
Look, I'm the anon who wrote the big thing, not the one you're currently responding to. I'm a cis woman. I'm 95% lesbian in that sometimes I can become sexually attracted to people I never would have otherwise once I truly trust them and appreciate them. It's incredibly easy to think of trans women as women. It's incredibly easy to treat trans women as women. It's incredibly easy to see trans women as women. You know what isn't easy? Trust. It's difficult to trust someone else with your insecurities. Once you find a guy you can trust like this, and he trusts you the same, you can build something beautiful. Don't get too wrapped up in your insecurities. You might miss a chance to meet him.

>>40465595
Most productive comment in the whole fuckin thread tbdesu

>>40462077
>wasn't ever worth screenshotting
you're one of the cuter girls here

regards, Chase R.

>>40462520
that's just straight male sexuality

>>40465120
women are retarded, they think anything but straight = taking it up the arse

the foid brain cannot comprehend being a top only faggot

>>40465696
Yes!! My years of fucking my boyfriends asshole... I'm not gaaaaaay!

>>40465579
Are you post op? I do not see how a 100% straight man could overlook a penis dangling between someones legs are be aroused by this as well

>>40461999
>why do you guys always insist on using the worst fucking pictures of me, I'm sure you've got my twitter to pull something atleast decent
the op pic is a perfect representation of the failed male fantasy though.

>>40466108
nta - tiny little dicks can be cute on a tranny.

>>40454856 (OP)
bait thread, most men run on logic and logic would say used to be man = i'm bi if i fuck her at the very least
can a straight guy love a trans girl? they will absolutely tell you they're straight and that you're a girl but that's not how male brain works, they will fuck you, they will tell you everything you want to hear but they don't see you as a woman, they see you as otonoko which is a third thing aside from man and a woman at best and at worst as a girly hot guy
date another trans girl if you want them to be just as deep into it as you are or pick a bi guy for honesty

>>40466282
Men run on shit logic that they just assume it's correct. If dudes actually knew what they were doing they wouldn't be fucking things up all the time then passing the blame onto others lol. They do it so much.

>>40466376
>nepotism and cronyism are male exclusive
>men fuck up more than women
women just get away with fucking up and not pulling their weight even if they're not connected, most guys fuck up because their dad wasn't there to tell them how to not fuck up at life

>>40466108
Yes, I'm post op. We met right before I had SRS but he knew it was my plan when I disclosed to him. He wouldn't have stayed otherwise.

>>40466191
If you are sexually attracted to penis (homosexual (same sex organ attraction) if you are a male) then yes i agree

In the same way a truly lesbian woman is only sexually attracted to vagina, a truly heterosexual man would not be aroused at all by even a “tiny” “cute” “estrogenized” etc. penis because it is a penis therefore it is outside his sexual desire schema

bottom chasers are gay men

>>40466730
Wow youre probably the only woman itt who has been with an actually straight man then. Lucky you..

>>40454856 (OP)
maybe someone who is ok with adopting kids

and if the trans woman is not a unstable mental health wreck that he has to console and try to fix

>>40466802
Definitely not! I've met a good number of post op dolls over the years that married straight guys. It happens more than you think.

>>40466853
>and if the trans woman is not a unstable mental health wreck that he has to console and try to fix
trannies like this don't exist

>>40466863
I'm pretty solid at least on tranny stuff!

>>40466412
Never said either of those things. You can't just deflect those traits off of men onto women like this is some zero sum game. That's actually stupid. Are you stupid? Am I wasting my time?

>>40466952
>men run on shit logic
>actually it's just nepo babies and coattail riders, women fuck up just as much if not more but just get away with it
>"aRe U SToooPID?"
you're wasting both of our time

>>40454856 (OP)
Yes. A man can, indeed, love a transwoman in a most profoundly romantic way.

They need to know the word! It starts with 'L' and ends with 'N'. Hidden in the rainbow is where you will find it!

>>40466985
Dude you're inserting an argument I didn't make then arguing with it and saying you win. You know what they call that? Clown.