When you put it that way that is kind of strange...

>>40468859 (OP)
>you should be okay with genocide because uh... those kids getting gunned down while trying to get food might be transphobic!!! ]
okay

>>40468859 (OP)
I'm a troon who was hesitantly in support of Palenstine but im now fucking a hardcore zionist

>When you put it that way that is kind of strange...

>>40468894
why not? you were happy when the kids in texas drowned for the same reason.

>>40468966
i think you're confusing me with someone else

>>40468966
no i wasn't also im not american so i was barely aware of the flood stuff lol

>>40468966
Nta but I don't think you know that anon this is an anonymous image board....

>>40468917
>>40468930
When you put it that way that is kind of strange...

>>40468966
no i wasn’t. maybe it would’ve been a different story if you were in texas that day though

>>40468966
yeah but brown = good white = bad

>>40468903
i just hate the pro gaza crowd desu, they all naunce and all act like insects in a hivemind, reading some of the absurd revisionist arguments criticising exonerating the palestinians or vilifying anyone who doesn't scream "from the the river to the sea" really bothers me but bread tubers will trade these talking points back and forth and I just feel very jaded with online political discourse by the end of it

I really feel like the average magat isn't that much dumber than the average marxist nowadays. At the very least, they're equally intellectually lazy. One side is edgy and uninvested, the other is passionate and naively empathetic, that's all there is too it.

>>40469243
>hurr durr it's nuanced so we can headshot babies
off yourself

>>40469395
Who said I supported Israel's genocide?

This is exactly the lack of naunce I see so frequent in the gaza vs israel discourse online
If you're aren't 100% critical of israel and not 100% supportive of gaza then you're labeled a zionist genocidal maniac who wants to headshot babies, it's so pathetic.

This isn't even a /tttt/ isolated phenomena either, literally everyone from plebbit to youtube to bluesky to xitter acts like this. Either you hate all Jews and you're a nazi, or you hate all brown people and are a zionist, no inbetween, no room for practical discussion or hard truths, just pathetic emotional breakdowns over the internet and witchhunts against people who really should be allies under normal circumstances

>>40469435
Hey this isnt /pol/ bitch

>>40469435
>sucks off the "I am a zionist" subhuman
<hey, hey we're on the same team
lol

>>40469462
i'm not on your "team" you smooth brained binary retard, my whole point is that there shouldn't be "teams"

seriously go kill yourself you stupid cunt I typed out a whole essay about how there's just not a sensible solution to the crisis but I deleted it after I remembered what kind of vapid internet leftist I'm dealing with, night night

>>40469570
>vast majority of Israelis think headshotting kids and kneecapping disabled people is okay/not enough
lol
>it has to be an apartheid, they can't stop because I said so
lol

>>40469243
You are a fundamentally incurious and witless person. You have fallen for the "le moderate" trap hook line and sinker.
If one side says 2+2=4 and the other says 2+2=66 the nuanced position is not 2+2=60. That's not how reality works. Some things really do have straightforward conclusions, even if the problem is complex.

>>40469570
...what is this image meant to prove? That the vast majority of Israelis are open psychopaths? lmao

>>40468859 (OP)
Would anyone really complain if muslims ceased to exist. Not saying you should do any genociding but it'd probably be a net positive on the world. Same with any religion

>>40469752
why would it be 60? shouldn't it be 35 or something?

>>40469780
>Would anyone really complain if negroes ceased to exist
this is how you sound like

>>40470731
I think plenty of people would complain you go back to eating tuna mayo salad and listening to billy ray cyrus. Grim....

>>40470731
yeah but that's literally what they want for us.

>>40468916
/thread

>>40468917
those women hate you too and those children will grow to be men and women who hate you. light them up bibi!

>>40471001
/pol/ says jews hate white people soooo

no it's not strange

I don't think anyone should be genocided

I don't even think Israelis deserve a genocide for being majority shitasses and supportive of a genocide. and I especially don't think their babies, toddlers, children, and teenagers do.

how the fuck is this even a gotcha for some people? moral compass thrown in the fucking dumpster.

>>40468894
Poltard mentality.

>>40468859 (OP)
Well yeah if you cause the humanitarian workers to STARVE they die a marvelous genius concept

>>40469435
hamas was literally supported by israel because they prefer the palestinians to be represented by islamist basket cases rather than sane people they might have to actually negotiate with and make concessions to
everything that is happening in gaza is the state of israel's responsibility, including hamas.

>>40469752
Nonono, you are the the cretin who's fallen into a mental trap here, and the fact that you accuse me of blind moderatism proves my point. Nowhere in my post did I make an appeal to moderation. You just instead assumed that of me.

I'm not advocating for a moderation solution, what I am advocating for is a balanced *understanding* of the situation.

FACTNVKE TIME:
>no neighbouring Arab countries wants Palestinian refugees for the same reason Isreal doesn't want a 1SS, Palestinians have a formed terrorist cells and destabilise every single country that took them in
>A 2SS has clearly failed, the October attacks were 4x more deadly that 9/11 and happened to a much geographically and population wise smaller country
>Most Arabic countries have a literal genocidal policy towards the Jewish, the Arab coalition has tried and failed to exterminate all Jews living in Israel several times now.
>The current conflict is an almost guaranteed outcome after the heinous actions British empires and the effects of Nazi Germany and the USSR during the first half of the 20th century.

>>40472060
You cant just drop a literal conspiracy theory as if its fact.

>Hamas and other middle east terrorist actors are all funded by Iran
>Palestinians are actively joining these terrorist organisations because surprise surprise, insurgency math
>Iran gets to sit back and laugh as hordes of idiots on all side of the political spectrum demonize Isreal instead of the person who's actually behind this conflict.
>???
>Western nations cut ties with Israel
>50 years later
>Iranian soldiers march through Tel-Aviv, shooting every man woman and child in the head
>/pol/ and /lgbt/ rejoice after the Jewish menace is finally gone

>>40473121
>>40473158
Muh poor liddle joos evverybody who doesnt like to be bombed is LIDERALLY A TERRORIST

>>40469764
I think you would be an "open psychopath" when discussing national security, if you was a direct descendent of literal Holocaust victims and you have witnessed several acquaintance of even friends/family members die by internationally funded genocidal terrorist-zealots.

Israel's population is majority highly educated westernised people living in a liberal democracy, the fact that they're largely in support of this brutal military action shows just how dire the situation is. For them it's literally a matter of kill-or-be-killed.

>>40468859 (OP)
that's true. i don't take queers who supports palestine or any type of brown immigration seriously and would rather see them stripped of their voting rights.

>>40473210
People like you are why I'm done with the left desu, the whole movement is a insane purity contest, where ideas are only merited on how idealistic they are

>t. quit my local communist organisation ~9 months ago over inconsolable retards like you screaming about Gaza every 5 seconds

>>40468903
I'm against both

How are there so many Holocaust survivors? Weren't Nazis super efficient killing machines? Maybe Israel isn't founded by poor refugees from le big moustache man and it's just a ethno state trying to crusade in the middle east

>>40468916
Nerds, I do it for free

>>40473217
Show nose dood

>LGBTQBRTSVLMTDSAH++++ betrays their Jew masters
>pride immediately cancelled
lawl

>>40474208


Supporting Muslims is supremely retarded but to think Jews are not a nepotistic closed den who unlike everyone else plays capitalism in Guild mode is delusional.


Yes genocide is bad, I don't want Jews killed and I wish they're safe.

I also wish pointing out their blatant culture of nepotism didn't make me unsafe too.

>>40473244
While I agree with you Jews are still insanely racist and wouldn't piss to save a burning gentile.

I think it's fine for their culture to be like this but also hypocritical if we criticize when whites do this.

>>40468859 (OP)
this argument is so retarded genocide is bad even if its happening somewhere i would be treated badly how is this hard

>>40473217
do you not recognise yourself when you look in the mirror or do you just post without reading what you wrote? its okay if it's the former considering where we are...

>>40468859 (OP)
No it's not. Morality should never be self-serving or about compromising principles. The moral choice might lead to your death, but the immoral choice if it's made by everybody will lead to the death of all.

No idea why people expects Israel to let these inbred 80 IQ *Rabs chimp out whenever they feel like it. The only way *Rabs learn is through genocide. I'm shocked that Israel doesn't go even harder. Like daily bomb runs targetting anything that moves. Potentially a nuke, even.
Break them till Hamas surrenders. They won't? Ok, continue bombing them.

>>40473244
Wait just to get this straight, you supported starting a revolutionary world war to totally change how 8 billion people live their day to day lives, but you crashed out because you had to hear about people in a far away country dying? Did you think communism wouldn't get to major estradiol supplier Teva Pharmaceuticals? What was the plan here?

>>40474608
great plan. they're already doing it

>>40474704
The fact that there are daily videos of Palestinians gathering in groups proves that this is very obviously not happening.

>>40474721
Did holocaust not happen because people in ghettos had parties?

>>40474782
Aren't you claiming that all of Gaza is a concenration camp?
Ghettos weren't concentration camps.
Just because the "people" you champion have an average IQ of 80 doesn't mean you're not allowed to be more intelligent.

>>40474808
>thinks holocause was just le gas
I think you might be the 80iq one here. A shit ton of time people in ghettos were shot dead and in case of the warsavian ghetto uprising in 1944 the area was simply bombed down
And yes the shit israelinigs have been doing with gaza/west bank is heavily mirroring the progression of a ghetto

>>40474854
The holocaust wasn't even real. Palestinians deserve what's happening to them but it needs to be worse. It's dangerous for 80 IQ turdbrains to be given free will, Israelis need to ensure that doesn't happen again. They need to go harder.

>>40474721
um the idf can't magically be everywhere at once in a way no army in history ever has and no army in history ever will. so they're probably not trying hard enough, it's not like there are physical limits on their military capability like reservists no long responding to call ups or 20k-30k idf soldiers disabled by the current war or wasting so much munitions on random sadistic bullshit the us has to give them stockpiles from the korean war. if al-khwarizmi and ibn ishaq are 80 iq chimps you are an anencephalitic mongrel

>>40474869
Ah you're baiting
Kys

>>40474893
Israel could just nuke them and have all the fallout flow towards Egypt, but since they for whatever silly reason aren't genocidal, they won't.
>>40474904
The only ones dying here are Ratestinians and depressed commie freaks like you that will inevitably ACK.

>>40468859 (OP)
human rights aren't transactional.
bombs don't discriminate. they kill queer people in exactly the same way as they kill anyone else
also, social movements typically don't work in warzones. THE political issue in Gaza is the genocide, so any movements about anything other than the genocide will be met either with disregard, or as if they're an intentional distraction. people don't care about social issues when there's an army murdering their children.

>>40469435
you might not think you support israel's genocide, but when you're disavowing the only groups actually defending against the genocide, it amounts to support.
>i think killing children is bad, but don't you dare fight back because that makes me a bit scared.
there is no centrist middle group in genocide.

>>40474488
nah there being less people alive who want me dead based on my sexual preference is great, actually! i just wish it was an actual genocide and not this gay open air prison shit.

>>40474608
The literacy rate in Gaza was higher than both Israel and the US.

>>40475091
>was
kek

>>40475041
Both groups are genocidal don't be thick

HURRRRR DURRRRRRR
BAAAAAAAAITTTTTTT
THREEEEEEEAAAAADDD

JEWS LOVE STARTING PROBLEMS (LIKE THIS THREAD)

ITS OKAY TO CALL OUT SHITTY JEWISH PEOPLE

>>40475120
Muslims are worse.
Both are bad.

>>40474924
>she thinks the jews control the weather

>>40469243
>i just hate the pro gaza crowd desu, they all naunce and all act like insects in a hivemind, reading some of the absurd revisionist arguments criticising exonerating the palestinians or vilifying anyone who doesn't scream "from the the river to the sea" really bothers me but bread tubers will trade these talking points back and forth and I just feel very jaded with online political discourse by the end of it

>I really feel like the average magat isn't that much dumber than the average marxist nowadays. At the very least, they're equally intellectually lazy. One side is edgy and uninvested, the other is passionate and naively empathetic, that's all there is too it.

I overwhelmingly agree with all of this but I still support Palestinians and believe they deserve dignity and freedom and to not be killed. I hate pro-Palestinian leftists and I love Palestinians even though I'm Ashkenazi Jewish and most of my family is either Israeli Zionists or non-Israeli Zionists

In fact I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and try to donate to a Palestinian aid organization for the first time today after writing this. I just need to find one that isn't a scam and that will actually help.

>>40473269
>How are there so many Holocaust survivors? Weren't Nazis super efficient killing machines? Maybe Israel isn't founded by poor refugees from le big moustache man and it's just a ethno state trying to crusade in the middle east
god antisemites are truly just the dumbest fucking people

it's both you fucking retard. that's why it's an actually complex issue

>tfw you're a non-arab middle easterner and people actually think you give a fuck about araps getting what they deserve
uhmmmm racist much?

>>40473158
it's documented even in mainstream sources
https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html
israel backed hamas and other islamist groups to weaken the secular palestinian resistance, because it correctly predicted that an islamist group would draw less sympathy from the west

>>40470635
It's 60 because moderate politics is gutless opportunism, so they always compromise by basically giving the crazy people what they want and demanding only token improvements on whatever insane shit is being demanded.

>>40475459
This so much this!!!
Palestinians, while they might be inbred, Muslim, and have an average IQ of 80, are actually secular leftists and the only reason why their Islamist groups keep winning and having the vast vast majprity of the Palestinian support is because of da Joos

>>40475459
i don't fully get why they did this

like i get this part

>When Israel first encountered Islamists in Gaza in the 1970s and '80s, they seemed focused on studying the Quran, not on confrontation with Israel. The Israeli government officially recognized a precursor to Hamas called Mujama Al-Islamiya, registering the group as a charity. It allowed Mujama members to set up an Islamic university and build mosques, clubs and schools. Crucially, Israel often stood aside when the Islamists and their secular left-wing Palestinian rivals battled, sometimes violently, for influence in both Gaza and the West Bank.

but isn't there admission they even funded them recently?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

i am too lazy to read these but i assume they had some plan

>>40473121
>effects of Nazi Germany and the USSR during the first half of the 20th century
Ah yes, the famously anti-semitic early USSR, whose army in the Russian Civil War was led by infamous antisemite Lev Davidovich Bronstein, while the obviously Jew-loving Whites were led by famous friend of the Jews Anton Denikin...

>>40475500
>i assume they had some plan
What they're doing now is the plan anon, if you kill everyone in Gaza for supporting funny PFLP guys who occasionally hijack an airliner to demand dome prisoners be released it looks really bad, but if you do it after religious fundie crazies massacre a few hundred of your civilians you can play the victim while grilling entire city blocks alive and westoid liberals will wring their hands over whether it's wrong to stop you for at least a year.

>>40468859 (OP)
Impressive. Very nice. Now let's see if the Christians think any better of us.

>>40469243
>i just hate the pro gaza crowd desu,
same. Fucking Muslims are proud conquerors but they pretend they are weak victims to retarded westerners.

>>40475561
I don't see a single muslim country in dark blue, do you?

>>40475692
>no legend
>just colours
For all I know dark blue could mean prefers burgers to hot dogs
Retarded zionazis don't even know how maps work

>>40468859 (OP)
israel literally ran a pedophile cabal with jeffrey epstein to blackmail american politicians. ghislaine maxwell's father was mossad.

>>40468859 (OP)
I mean... Israel bombs kill everyone, not exclusively lgbtq folks

>>40475733
too lazy to hit one button?

>>40475739
>pedophile
All the girls were teens, pedo is under 10

>>40475748
>hurr durr install my retarded plugin and reverse image search my shite because I'm too retarded to post things correctly
Respeclessly, kys.

>>40468930
fags killed palastine

>>40468859 (OP)
Oh cool another palestine thread just what this board needed

>>40475768
anon reverse search is a literal built-on function in 4chan but whatever, i'm gonna post it so you don't derail the thread any further.
also
>zionazis
No i fucking hate israel because evancucklican retards love them, but i would side with satan if it meant muslims get humbled

>>40474704
>Wait just to get this straight, you supported starting a revolutionary world war to totally change how 8 billion people live their day to day lives, but you crashed out because you had to hear about people in a far away country dying? Did you think communism wouldn't get to major estradiol supplier Teva Pharmaceuticals? What was the plan here?

First of all, I never advocated for a violent uprising, we don't need a USSR bolshevik style revolution because we are already in a democracy and can simply enact statist and egalitarian reforms through spreading awareness and educating people

secondly, the reason why I gave up on the left is because leftwingers are not generally not practical or mature people. I joined to protest abusive landlords and help set up unions, things that would actually improve my local community. Not so I could listen to revisionist black-white thinking idiots dominate every meeting with emotional meltdowns about some kid who starved to death, with no plan on how to save them other than nvking our optics by vandalising government property.

That and I got the impression that a lot of them genuinely devolved into reactionary racism and a desire for collective punishment against the Israelis. It began to feel more like an emotional support group than anything else hence why I left.

Anyway I already stocked up on 2 decades worth of estradiol powder and am post SRS

>>40475110
and one side is actively committing genocide.
you're still bothered about optics while children are being starved?

>>40475828
>and one side is actively committing genocide.
source?

>>40475910
>palestinian data ends in 2023
lmao

>>40475936
https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel_Palestine/comments/17v3su0/how_is_this_genocide/
yeah because the graph was made 2 years ago

>>40475692
I'm ta, and I dare you to try to say LGBT acceptance in Christian countries is *because* of Biblical doctrine and not in spite of it. Tell me that LGBT people wouldn't be persecuted as they are in Islamic countries if Biblical law were implemented the way Sharia is.

>>40475943
can you not see how a chart that doesn't include data from israel's current war effort is totally irrelevant to the question of whether israel is committing genocide right now

>>40475041
The problem is that there's no simple way to solve the conflict.
>Most palestinians despise the Israelis (for good reason)
>Most israelis despise the entirety of the middle east (for good reason)
>No arab nation wants to take palestinian refugees (for good reason)
>Israel doesn't want a 1SS because the two groups have effectively been at war for a century
>2SS literally results in regular attacks on Israel that make 9/11 look a joke
>Iran can't be invaded nor can they be cut off from funding Hamas or other terrorist organisations that continually stretch Israel thin and radicalize the population.
>There is absolutely no such thing as a respectful and peaceful foreign occuptation. Especially when said area is infested with deeply entrenched zealots

with this in mind, what can possibly be done? What solution is there? As the other anon pointed out, both sides are genocidal, innocents are going to die regardless.

This is why I'm disillusioned with the Gaza outcry, it's fucking disgusting what's happening but nobody has a realistic answer.

>>40475954
>if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle
LGBT acceptance has become world wide because of the west, who became what it is because of the discovery of the americas, spearheaded by the catholic kings and colombus.
>>40475968
anon even if 500k died it would barely do a dent to that graph

>>40475993
look at the time periods listed for every other genocide
now imagine changing one of the other genocides to cover a time period analogous to the palestinian data. imagine looking at data from 1900-1940 on the number of jews in germany and thinking it has much to say about whether there's a genocide happening in 1943. you probably see a small downturn towards the end of the period because of people fleeing, but the real impact wouldn't be visible in the data at all.

>>40476055
https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/spotlights/2025/more-than-55000-palestinians-have-been-killed-in-the-israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-officials-say/
55k gazans have died in a timespan of 2 years, for comparison 1.5 million cambodians died in the timespan of 2 years, it's not a fucking genocide, it's like bosnians who cry about muh genocide even when the serbs killed like what? 30k people?

>>40468859 (OP)
>>>/pol/
Zionism and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>>40475993
>LGBT acceptance has become world wide because of the west, who became what it is because of the discovery of the americas, spearheaded by the catholic kings and colombus.
LGBT acceptance has become world wide because of the West, who spread post-Enlightenment liberalism world-wide. If you're seriously going to try to attribute any of this to "Catholic kings" then you're either a bad liar or just hopelessly retarded.

>>40476091
post-Enlightenment liberalism was only possible because of the massive boost england had because of the sugar and tobacco plantations, otherwise they would still be medieval shitholes. You are also forgetting the one who has done the most to export LGBT acceptance was america, who wouldn't exist without Colombus, also half of europe would be turkish speaking without all the spanish gold they gave to their austrian allies.

EITHER way this is all pointless, because there is not a single muslim nation with marriage equality, unlike countless christian nations, and you cant even say most arent christians since i'm pretty fucking sure countries like malta, ecuador, greece, etc are still very christian.

>>40475977
israel has committed easily over 100 october 7s. it's only terrorism to you when the scary brown people do it. when it's a high tech military, it's just an unfortunate accident that happens every day.
to solve the conflict, you negotiate. that's how conflicts end. you give Palestinians some guarantee of statehood. you stop funding Israel's military. and you hold the war criminals from both hamas and the iof accountable in the ICC. you also allow aid and journalists into the warzone.

but no, there's nothing to be done. it's all hopeless, so don't even bother. just remember that this will end one day, and history will make its mind up. the centrist "we can't do anything" has never and will never be looked on positively.

>>40476199
>to solve the conflict, you negotiate. that's how conflicts end.
This is just niave, there's literally be countless attempts at negotiating ever since Palestine was a British occupied territory that have all fallen through because both sides view the other as subhuman infidels and have a deep religious and historical attachment to the region. I cba to write out the entire history of Palestine since the 1920s but this conflict truly is the last resort for both sides.

>you give Palestinians some guarantee of statehood.
Okay, do you, in your honest opinion, actually think that a guarentee of statehood is going to stop Hamas from taking every opportunity to attack Israelis?

Hopefully the answer should be no, because for Hamas and their Iranian guarantors, this isn't about Palestine liberation, this is a religiously motivated attempt at ethnic cleansing.

>and you hold the war criminals from both hamas and the iof accountable in the ICC. you also allow aid and journalists into the warzone.
This I agree with, and the ICC already has a warrant out for plenty of people on both sides, however it's just unenforcable. Neither side is going to show up to the ICC and nobody has the power or political will to force them.

>Stop funding Israel's millitary
My country doesn't fund Israel's military, but yes I do think this is also something that Americans should be pushing for, as well as exposing the international Israel lobby

>the centrist "we can't do anything" has never and will never be looked on positively.
I'm not a centrist. I'm a realist. If there was some radical crazy solution that wasn't founded in wishful thinking or historical revisionism then I'd be all for it.

not going to bother responding to your thinly veiled attempt at accusing me of being racist, but for the record I'm an ethnic North African who lives in Europe, not that it matters too much since you could just as easily accuse me of being islamophobic instead.

>>40476199
Anyway, why is nobody denouncing Hamas for entrenching themselves in extremely densely populated civlian centers? Can you name a single urban conflict that hasn't resulted in massive civlian deaths?

Humans are shit, and war brings out the absolute worst in humans. There's absolutely no way to avoid massive civilian casualties in a war under these conditions, this is not to exonerate Israel and I absoutetly believe that every single war criminal including Netanyahu should be trialed for the world to see, but it is to criticise the notion that this style of war could somehow be conducted without civilian causalties. The truth is, this is all just inevitable.

>>40476377
why do you think Hamas has any power? it's because every time israel kills a civilian, it creates 10 friends and family who want to fight back against israel. this is true for every 'terrorist' organization. killing people has a knock on effect. look at the taliban. is it just that all of these people are inherently immoral, and are born with an innate hatred of israel? no. they learn the hatred from seeing their relatives blown to pieces.
they should recognise the evils that they've done, and prepare to defend themselves. when their defenses are successful, they shouldn't continue further to murder everyone in the gaza strip.
i honestly don't care about this 'muh hamas' stuff. israel is committing a genocide. the focus should be on stopping that genocide. i don't care about a hypothetical future attack in which all israelis are killed. i care about the very real genocide happening.
doing nothing is akin to complicity. it's so terrible that this is happening, but we're completely powerless (beside from all the power we do have, please ignore that)

my point about the 'scary brown people' is because you call all action against israel terrorism, but all offensive action that israel does is just waved away.

there is no comparing israel and hamas. their actions aren't comparable in scale. the allied bombing on dresden does not excuse the holocaust.

>>40476482
why is the IDF headquarters in the center of tel aviv?
stop carpet bombing the dense areas then.
negotiate for the release of hostages. whenever israel militarily releases a hostage, they end up killing a few dozen gazan civilians in the process. if you view human life as equivalent, you'd easily see that this isn't justified.

no one said there can't be any civilian deaths. it is inevitable, but you have to take precautions.
why do you think so many israeli officials have warrants from the ICC? because they've broken pretty much every rule to prevent civilian casualties.

>>40476680
>why do you think Hamas has any power? it's because every time israel kills a civilian, it creates 10 friends and family who want to fight back against israel.
also because israel literally backed hamas in its conflicts with the more reasonable elements of the palestinian resistance
hamas is israel's fault, and israel therefore does not get to use actions hamas takes as an excuse for genocide. yes, they're using civilians as human shields and setting up shop in hospitals. if you didn't want to deal with that, you shouldn't have intentionally gone out of your way to make sure your enemies were ruled by the craziest people you could find!

>>40468916
>zrzut ekranu

>>40469243
this basically. hamas is utterly deranged and retarded in ways the IDF or Israel will never be.

but caping for jews who wouldn't muddy their shoe to save a drowning gentile baby is also not it.

their nepotistic culture really shouldn't be OK in civilized society when if whites did it we'd be malding our loins.

But hamas really is worse by virtue of being dumb as rocks.

t. middle eastern

>>40473217
I really don't like Jewish culture and think the nepotism and all around insular culture is racist in ways we don't allow anyone else to be.

I've visited Israel and they really are as awful as people say to anyone who isn't jewish.

But yeah Hamas is worse and their unhingedness is very understandable given the neighbor (although they did have a finger on the rise of Hamas against less retarded opposition ).

>>40477464
I also don't think Muslims should be allowed in civilized society BY THE WAY.

But judaism has issues that need reform too.

>>40475337
Only sane take ITT

>>40468966
(You)

im palestinian and i love u all

>>40475508
What a dumb argument. The USSR cracked down on all organised religion, that is a undeniable fact. The Jewish men involved in the Bolshevik movement and follow up communist government were not were not practicing Jews.

I don't understand how you can quote these names and not know this basic fact of USSR domestic policy so I'm force to conclude that you made that argument in bad faith. KYS

>>40476680
>why do you think Hamas has any power
I'm well aware of "insurgent math", but the same arguments apply for the IOF having the overwhelming support of their citizens. This is exactly what I'm arguing, both sides are engaged in this back and force slapping contest except Israel actually has the ability to occupy their enemies' territory.
In an ideal world both sides would lay down their arms and learn to live in peace, but we're talking about humans here.

>they should recognise the evils that they've done, and prepare to defend themselves.
Occupying Gaza *is* their defensive strategy, that's a stated aim of the occupation with Israelis military brass. This isn't a revenge attack in the same way that USA's invasion of Afghanistan is.
Obviously I'm not a general but I suspect that there's a reason why they're not just building a giant wall instead.

>i honestly don't care about this 'muh hamas' stuff.
This is where we fundamentally disagree. I see both options as being equally horrible, therefore I'm unwilling to pick to a side.
Do I think a genocide will come to Israel if Israel stops it's genocidal "war" in Gaza? No, do I think tens of Israelis thousands will die in continual terrorist attacks over the next few decades if they don't create a permeanent solution now? Absolutely. I believe that every nation has a duty to defend its citizens from threats, therefore I cannot fault Israel for doing this. I can however fault Israel for it's practically indiscriminate approach in creating this solution. And that is why I'm not pro-israel either.

>the allied bombing on dresden does not excuse the holocaust.
This isn't an applicable comparison. The Dresden bombing wasn't because of the Holocaust. It would be better to say that the bombing of London doesn't excuse the bombing of Dresden, and to that I agree, but I certainly don't blame the Allies for doing what it takes to defend themselves against Hitler's expansionist ambitions.

>>40478968
I'm an Arab and I agree with this, except I think Judaism and Islam should both be banned.

I hate Hamas but do you really think this is a good religion OP?


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