https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6hHmhGL/

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6hHsGUP/

>>40500810 (OP)
>women is when only flattering angles and petit physique
holy shit are people this fucking cooked from the internet LOL

>>40500911
it is to men and men run society so

>>40500810 (OP)
WTF THATS SYDNEY????
she used to tripfag here wtf

>>40500810 (OP)
>>40501022
GIRL SYDNEY WTF YOU PASSED WTF ARE YOU DOING
https://archiveofsins.com/lgbt/thread/29158357/#29161027

another passoid down
hahaha good

>>40501043
i recognized her by the first pic he(?) showed of her with bangs
i remember having her as inspo with looks here years ago i always thought she were so pretty

>>40500810 (OP)
grim

>>40500810 (OP)
looks cuter as a twink tbhon
repping is the way

>>40501056
holy shit that’s wild

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6h9EpKJ/

how long do yall think he’s going to last?
i think he’s been repping for a few months.

>>40500810 (OP)
Not installing tik tok can someone post webm?

is it because “jesus told him” or is he normal about it im also not installing tiktok

>>40501221
Rolling through all the common detrans talking points, seems a bit manic.

>>40500810 (OP)
he still has beautiful skin on T and is a pretty twink due to ffs
reminds me of that quote from I think Anne Lawrence idr where it’s like detrooners never actually take serious steps to undo their transition bc they already fixed the problems they had with their body

>>40501245
1 yr max before shes back on e and lying about it. hope she doesnt get a mastectomy before then :/

>>40500810 (OP)
cis women in the comments; painful to read

>>40500810 (OP)
There is literally no one on this planet that I look down on more than trans women who hit the genetic lottery in terms of transition and just throw it all away because of brainworms. Utterly fucking ridiculous!

Honestly if you're this fucking stupid to detransition after having transition results that good, you deserve to age like a man and eventually crack once more when you're old and married with kids. This one, the dumb discord gooner Jean Hollywood, and any other dumb fucking moron stupid enough to detransition after literally achieving what so many trans woman would quite literally kill just to have. I mean, jesus fucking... they deserve to be future john 50 sissy fetishists.

>>40501245
he mentioned in older vids that he had a manic episode and psychosis that led him to detroon. i think voices told him to stop e.

>>40501260
Reason for detransitioning is: "I want to be a cis woman but I can never be that, so I went back to the social role I can fulfill at least somewhat".

Which is fine and valid, but you don't need to pair it with dumb bait like critiquing informed consent etc.

>>40501284
neither this dude or Ella Hollywood passed tho they’re just kinda pretty

>>40501302
So much better off than many of us, passing isn't everything.

>>40501295
that always strikes me as a half hearted cope even though i relate to it heavy. like the underlying desire to look like a woman and be treated as a woman still exist. the tranny thoughts do go away they just kinda drive you mad. unless there is some desire for the effects of testosterone or desire to actually be a man / look like a man then i think its a matter of time before shes on e again. if shes just manmoding i dont count that as detransitioning you have to actually stop e/t to detransition.

>>40501284
he was kinda cute </3

>>40501302
he was very cute imo, even pre ffs and he was pretty after the surgery

>>40501302
I mean, I don't know if she passed in person or not, or what her mental was like.

But still, to someone like me who's almost 2 years on hrt and still stuck in a state of androgynous boymoding; it's like seeing someone win the lottery and just give it all to charity or something.

>>40500810 (OP)
i won't feel any empathy for them when they end up in death camps like jews after ruining their lives for a false god

>>40500810 (OP)
I relate to him. And of course the comments are just all retarded 50 year old cis women making it about themselves

>>40500810 (OP)
are there really no real cis male detrooners out there s m h

>>40500953
women run society though
thats why men transition (medically) more often than women

so ungrateful. now he's going to end up as a boomer hon in few decades.

>>40501609
no actual cis male would ever transition

>>40501682
He’ll probably turn to manmoding sooner or later

>>40501609
You can have dysphoria and be cis male

>>40501822
>You can have dysphoria and be cis male

>>40501245
kek

>>40500810 (OP)
WHY ARE YOU ALL MATH MAJORS

>>40502004
This was the dude who told me he only let himself have sex with other men after "transitioning".

>>40502046
probably agp meta attraction. he doesn’t seem like an hsts.

>>40502046
sounds like just another black and white thinking gender confused autist whats new

>>40502077
yeah, he's bi, but it's insane how many men only let themselves have gay sex after self castration (inb4 chemical castration isn't castration)

>>40502033
lmao detrooned because she wasnt like the rest of us hons

>>40502090
i don’t think he’s truly bi

>>40502108
>>40502108
yup she was superior

>>40502090
That's just how it is. I went on hrt and started thinking guys are cute, and then when I went off hrt I stopped having those thoughts

>>40502108
from his explanation it sounded more like his family was against it and he detrans'd to make them happy because they are paying for his education

>>40502154
no its like a bunch of things usually. I cant speak for him but he sounded like me and the number one reason I detrooned is that it felt like I was trying to pretend to be something I could never be: a cis woman, and being trans isnt enough and I'd rather just be myself: my biological sex.

>>40501743
muh gender ideology turned me trans

>>40502116
fr, if you can't get hard kissing a dude post hrt youre not even close to bi.

>>40502151
ppl like u aren’t human

>>40502046
>>40502090
is this bad???....... im virgin and im attracted to men but ive declined these sex flirtings from men iin the past back when i was prehrt because i was ashamed of my body..

>>40502151
Did you fuck any guys?

>>40502108
>obsesses over skull size
>meta attracted
>likes Blanchard
>math major
he’s literally the average 4chan tranny, will definitely regress to manmoding soon

>>40502313
what was the point, was a girl moder but now, will regress to manmoding.

>>40502256
what
>>40502284
no ive never had sex

>>40502332
I don’t understand how hrt can affect someone’s brain enough to change sexuality, I feel ur an ape if ur affected by chemicals that much

>>40502201
People like this need to identify as non-binary and stop over-complicating things. Just take hormones and boymode, simple as that.

>>40502345
oh. idk

>>40502313
trvke

>>40501043
still mogs me but not for long:/ with test in his system

such a handsome lad, want to fuck him badly and bite on his little hrt titties to embarrass him

>>40501682
how long until the ripbcage expands like elon musks?

he was a chad before trooning

>>40502573
u have a very loose definition of chad

>>40502381
>identify as non-binary
That's fake and gay tho

>>40500810 (OP)
>>40501682
>>40502573
he has soulless eyes pre-transition, during transition, and detransitioned. I cannot foresee him being happy no matter what

>>40502607
pretty sure nonbinary is just a different way to interpret standard tranny feelings

>>40502614
he said on tik tok that’s he’s bipolar

>>40502671
I've seen some people constantly go through detrans, retrans, detrans, retrans, repeat over and over (usually accompanied by drastic changes in ideology). he seems like the type to go down that path

>>40500810 (OP)
he's so hot as a guy now, i'd date him
I like his autistic qualities

>>40500810 (OP)
what goes through a detrans person's head that makes them think they can only live as a normal man or as a normal woman and nothing in between? are they retarded?

>>40502742
the answer is the same as every other question about trannies: it’s autism

>>40501022
>>40501033
fucking hell what brainworms does to a mf

>>40502756
what?

>>40502784
trannies have autistic black in white thinking where they think everyone needs to fit in neat little boxes

>>40500810 (OP)
>Goes all in on being a pretty girl in a dress
>Realizes he just wanted to be a faggy femmy gay boy all along
Many such cases, I foresee him going back to HRT soon.

>>40501022
>>40501033
wow did he seriously transition to try and get cisles pussy and detrans when he realized that wasnt happening?
genuinely the most pathetic thing ive seen all year

it’s crazy how all the hons on the tik tok post are calling noah’s truth nuke bs. most them don’t even pass as well as he did

>>40500810 (OP)
he was nice to me on here in like 2020

I think this is the same tripcode I used to use. Either way it's me

>>40501033
I didn't pass. Passing is 3D. It's easy to pass in photos or with heavy makeup. I was a twinkhon at best

>>40501260
I have no desire to go back on estrogen. I detrooned largely because I realized I didn't like the effects of estrogen on my body (when I had previously)

>>40501284
"genetic lottery" bruh. I'm 6' tall with wide shoulders, big jaw. not possible to pass fully plus I was a TRA so married to being openly trans forever

>>40501295
the crazy idea that you should have to diagnose someone with gender dysphoria before treating them with it

>>40500810 (OP)
I mean he's not wrong.
You can easily clock even a srsussy.

>>40502951
ur a repper. u still have gender dysphoria.

>>40502951
ur so obviously just another brainwormed autist tranner if you want to be a man go be man why are u still engaging with this stuff lol

>>40500810 (OP)
LOL god damn! I remember back in 2022 or so, I had saved a selfie of hers (not this one) from passgen. Somehow in my sleep, I had texted the pic to my dad and the caption was something like:
>"mmmmmfmmmmffffffdfffffffffffffddmmmmmmmmmmm:::::;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;"
I wish I could find the screenshot hah

>>40502977
true, how did he even find out abt this post

I tried to respond to stuff here but 4chan is being annoying so i just listed all my responses lel

this meme is dumb. merely desiring to be a woman does not make you a woman nor does it mean you should transition

not autistic, but ADHD/bipolar and yeah black and white thinking definitely.

I wouldn't have transitioned if I didn't believe I essentially had a woman soul. gender ideology is real guys. a belief system is required to justify the claim that women can have dicks

identifying as non-binary is meaningless

I well understand I'll never be a normal man. But I'm far closer to being a man than I ever was to being a woman

no dude, I transitioned because I thought I had a woman soul and would be miserable forever. if my goal was to sleep with women why would I transition???

>>40502974
I'm not repressing anything, I'm well aware of my dysphoria and tendencies to want to embody femininity

>>40502977
still attached to the trans community desu. the culture is toxic but the memes are great

>>40503000
friend saw it and texted me

>>40503007
there’s no such thing as gender ideology faggot. based on your tik toks you’re just a schizo.

>>40502951
noah i really cant talk to you about "3d passing" or whatever for obvious reasons but just to say, you were pretty (you're handsome now too lol), i remember seeing you back in covid /tttt/ and thinking "omg this girl is cute i hope i can look good like her in my transition"
anyway, i hope you're happier now and i hope you're taking the path that does best for you in your life. also appreciate the fact you just detransitioned but didnt become a grifter or "trans people are demons" or whatever they say lol. sending u hugs and good luck <3

>>40503007
I cant watch tiktoks but youre still hot be my detranny bf

>>40502951
>I detrooned largely because I realized I didn't like the effects of estrogen on my body
which effects?

>>40502951
>plus I was a TRA
Since I perceive TRA as a cult, I'm interested to hear how you escaped.

>>40503007
It’s going to be hilarious when u end up up retrooning XD

>>40503062
ED, it didn't bother me when I thought I was a woman but when my trans identity died it suddenly didn't feel so good

>>40503070
I ended up very socially isolated, eventually had a psychotic break, decided to detransition. four or five months into detrooning I realized that TRA were insane

I know a detranner doing this to themself currently, you remind me a lot of them
It's brutal
They're still obviously dysphoric and have tried it before which really fucked them up and they told me about at length, but they're so wormed that they're back to believing it's the only way again
Feels weird to tell someone what their real identity/expression should be
But like everything they've ever said and done points in that direction
Still I hope I'm wrong and it works out. Same for you.

>>40503007
>i thought I had a woman soul
lol imagine believing in soul
if you want to be a real man why do still have that faggot haircut i don’t disagree with you on gender ideology but anyone with a brain knows transition is a lot about aesthetics so stop pretending like you made some massive mistake I doubt you actually regret ffs

>>40503080
what didn’t feel good? what specific effects didn’t feel good?

>>40503080
>ED
what about the other effects? did you like them?

>>40503080
loser.

>>40503080
>ED
Did you even try the will powers method?

>>40503080
why did you exclusively interact with TRA's tho?
like what? dont you know how to make normal acquantinces or friends? dont you know how to hang out with normal people? like what the fuck? im insanely bpd, bpd, depressed and anxious and manage better than you and i dont even use drugs or alcohol to cope.

youre kinda just pathetic if youre dysphoric and couldn't hack it being a passoid.

>>40503090
I mean I didn't literally believe I had a woman soul. I was an atheist. But I believed I had an immutable female gender identity which is basically the same thing. I don't like the effects of FFS, I miss my browbone and rubbing it :( I only got FFS to try and pass better I think. Most of the dysphoria around my face was social

>>40503098
>>40503102
really just the ED is what bothered me. having gynecomastia is a little annoying but it's not the worst. I can't say I despise my gyno and don't plan on having it removed or anything

>>40503120
I just took what the clinic prescribed

>>40503143
no, I didn't exclusively interact with TRAs lmao. I wasn't a passoid! Y'all are delusional about how well TW actually pass irl

>>40503080
why did you go on buck angels podcast? why couldn't you privately detransition, you attention whore?

https://youtu.be/Cfcj67owUdE?si=wauCq2Hslht7JskE

>>40503007
>a woman soul
Sigh... your autistic dumbass is going to end up a christcuck, isn't it?

>>40503058
>also appreciate the fact you just detransitioned but didnt become a grifter or "trans people are demons"
Most of his fanbase on tiktok is terfs. Assuming he wants to farm them for ad revenue, he's going to have to go down the grifter route. The fact that he's here talking about "gender ideology" to me shows that he's pretty much already there.

>>40503080
>four or five months into detrooning I realized that TRA were insane
Tell me more about this. Like, was it exclusively time spent away from them and with normal people?

>>40503170
I was a TRA and feel like I social contagioned people into trooning out. just making up for it. and yeah I like attention sue me

>>40503172
ehhhh I believe in God, maybe believe in Christ but I have a hard time accepting a lot of stuff in the Bible

if I wanted to be a grifter I would turn into a conservative christian and buddy up to TERFs. also y'all realize there's no lane for MtFtM detroon grifters? the female detroons make much better victims for conservatives

>>40503160
>really just the ED is what bothered me. having gynecomastia is a little annoying but it's not the worst. I can't say I despise my gyno and don't plan on having it removed or anything
im specifically asking if you liked the effects from E and the lack of T (except ED of course)

>>40503170
>waaah why couldn't you shut up and stop making me look bad
Lol

>>40503160
youre insanely neurotic desu. unless youre like 6'2 or something you do in fact pass and you just look large framed. which is something that happens with cis women. you are as bad as me and think if youre in the top 10% of measurements youre automatically male.

shut the fuck up you stupid bitch.

>>40503160
ur repping isn’t going to last. i saw the tv glow would oneshot you back to trooning

>>40503202
You misunderstand prolonged mania

>>40503187
I started watching a lot of gender critical content and actually critically examining the idea that you can have an immutable gender identity contrary to your sex.

TERFs are idiotic, woman=adult human female breaks down in the case of intersex people and they have 0 empathy for trans women. but they are right that gender ideology is retarded

>>40503193
yes, I liked the effects at the time.

>>40503199
yeah I'm hella neurotic but also it doesn't matter if you pass. you're still a male at the end of the day and that only becomes more obvious when you start trying to date

>>40503202
I saw the TV glow is troon propaganda

>>40503211
if you dont like the effects of estrogen in what manner do you consider yourself dysphoric?

>>40503211
>yes, I liked the effects at the time.
then eventually youll realize that you dont have to be so black and white and will go back to HRT, long hair, etc and not worry if youre passing as a man or as a woman (what being non binary actually is). good luck!

>>40503211
>I started watching a lot of gender critical content and actually critically examining the idea
Ah, so you engaged the argument, the very thing TRAs screech and yell to prevent.
This is difficult to phrase properly, but why did you start questioning? Another way to put this is that TRAs assert their worldview without the burden of corresponding to reality. What made you realize that wasn't enough for you?

>>40503211
u just religious psychosis. when will u come back to ur senses?

>>40503211
im bisexual, like actually bisexual, i prefer men. why would i discriminate against other bisexuals? youre just a retard for deluding yourself into thinking that a kinsey 0 would be ok with a cock. accept that youre only attracting kinsey 1-2s and wow, suddenly life is really ok now?!?!?!

>>40503211
having an identity based around being a detransitioner is fucking crazy

>>40503170
Oh, already doing the rounds with the right wing pick-mes.

I assume an interview with either Blaire White or Brianna Wu is next on the list.

>>40503211
what’s your thoughts on subconscious sex and the neurology behind gender dysphoria?

>>40503170
ouch. whats funny is this is what actually ruins optics. retards who try to placate insane people.

>>40503267
he’s going to make jordan peterson cry

>>40503211
>watch tranny content
>become TRA
>watch gender critical content
>become detroon grifter
my dude you need to LOG OFF and GO OUTSIDE

>>40503298
at least he’s more tamed than the other grifters

>>40503267
>pick-me
>you'd better conform to the tribe or we'll socially murder you before anyone else gets the chance to

>>40503235
Once I shed the trans identity and didn't have a social incentive to believe that TW are women I started questioning everything. you have to have serious motivated reasoning to claim that TW are women and not be able to consistently define either woman or trans woman.

TRAs make bold philosophical claims and act like you're a bigot if you disagree, when they can't even justify their metaphysical claims

>>40503272
subconscious sex is essentially equivalent to saying we have gendered souls. it's the same claim, subconscious sex is just couched in psychology and bullshit claims about "trans brains" (gay men also have "woman brains")

>>40503267
I can't stand Wu. It enrages me when obvious meta attracted AGPs LARP as HSTS

>>40503160
>I don't like the effects of FFS, I miss my browbone and rubbing it
cannot comprehend this but makes sense that one would detransition if they feel this
glad ur happier detransed even though you hate me now or whatever

I understand detrans, but why is everything so public? Maybe that's what's giving you all of this psychosis, this just looks like another disaster in the making.

>>40503211
you’re doing all that intellectualization to justify detransitioning after your schizo episode. you know that you’re gender dysphoric like the rest of us and want e. i bet you don’t truly believe in christ, you’re just convincing yourself to believe in something since you lost your belief in “gender ideology”. stop coping, you’re too smart to buy into all this bs

>>40503329
He's desperately clawing for validation in his identity collapse and to spread it to others for the same purpose
This is an extended mental health crisis

>>40500810 (OP)
>Septum piercing

>>40503338
its wild. why do we even let people like this claim to be trans. its crazy.

>>40503324
how could you be on this board at the time and still believe trannies are women and that u passed you sound psychotic

>>40503324
>Once I shed the trans identity and didn't have a social incentive to believe that TW are women
Thanks for answering. I'm always curious what works or what drives in situations like yours, because what works can be used to deprogram others.

Hope the best for you.

>>40503329
i can't wait in a few years for his apology vid and 'how religious psychosis convinced me i was no longer trans" vid

I don't get why male detrooners honestly think living as a detrans man is better than being a trans woman. Imagine having to explain to others that you're a faggot of a "man" who willingly feminized himself and now has female breasts and enlarged hips. You lose your man card at that point and you'll never get it back. Might as well just stay a woman.

>>40503379
this, any real male detranner would wipe that shit and never tell a soul, this is the sort of thing a real man would take to the grave

>>40503379
>now has female breasts
Same treatment as gynecomastia.
>enlarged hips
Fat deposits that reverse with test and diet.
>you'll never this and that
You sound histrionic.

>>40503335
I am gender dysphoric to some degree, I don't want E. I somewhat believe in Christ but I'm not committed. I may need the Jesus cope desu

>>40503379
detroon men are still way closer to men than trans women are to actual women

>>40503396
my transition was very public already and when I was manic last fall I did a lot of publicly embarrassing shit so I have nothing to lose. if I can prevent one low dysphoria male from getting memed into trooning by /r/mtf and the Gender Dysphoria Bible it'll be worth

>>40503308
Even the supposedly moderate ones always end up running defense for the crazies though. It's the Brianna Wu playbook. Always blame transphobia on the "woke left" and the "radical trans agenda." The fact that he's here using terf speak like TRA and gender ideology tells me where he actually stands. Little bro's just trying to hide his power-level.

>>40503428
Your energy is super weird in the tiktoks
Like manic or something
Desperately trying to convey how this is how it has to be and you don't care and it's chill
But it's just the same worming shifted to resignation instead

>>40503403
>gynecomastia
the breast development you get from being on hrt for several years goes way beyond standard gyno, you get fully formed, mature female tits instead of slightly puffy nipples. This bitch can't even hide the contour of "his" breasts under loose shirts lmao
>Fat deposits that reverse with test and diet
If you start hrt before your mid 20s you'll likely get permanent hip growth that isn't fat but bone

>>40503428
you need to go out and get a real fucking hobby. i suggest like actual stuff in nature. you need to get offline. this place and all otehr online places you stick around as a vocally detrans person with 'compassion' for trannies is a stupid place to be. people are goign to take advantage of you and you need to realize that.

>>40503428
what do you want from testosterone?

>>40503428
>I may need the Jesus cope
bro u are hilarious, gonna save your tiktok handle to my lolcow folder

>>40503441
>the breast development you get from being on hrt for several years goes way beyond standard gyno
Mastectomy then.
>If you start hrt before your mid 20s you'll likely get permanent hip growth that isn't fat but bone
Unlikely unless you've been taking non-hondose E since 13 or so.

>>40503190
>hard time accepting a lot of stuff in the Bible
it's cuz its false. it just teaches people to be homophobic and become breeders

>>40503479
This nigga never read Jeremiah

>>40503443
trvke

>>40503448
less ED, fertility. i'd like my face to look a little more masc maybe

>>40503458
<3 I'm a living meme i know

>>40503458
youre transphobic and now youre going to become homophic. fuck off /lgbt/

>>40503501
Just go full Pariah the Doll route

>>40503501
> i'd like my face to look a little more masc maybe
facial hair or is that already lazered off
> fertility
do you want kids and are you willing to preform the male role to get them?
> ED
did you not jork it enough

>>40503431
the terfs will never accept an agp like him

>>40502951
Man I could never go back on T. Even if I detrooned, I'd manmode on estrogen forever. Squandering what femininity you have is horrifying to me.

>>40503528
most of it was lazered

yeah I'd like kids, happy to perform the male role. want to be a father

and ya didn't use it enough desu

>>40503537
trvke

>>40503542
rigid thinking: when the identity died, T felt okay again

>>40503563
interesting. best of luck with your detransition <3.

>>40503563
>happy to perform the male role. want to be a father
have u even ever been with a woman
I can’t imagine there exists a straight woman that would be into u

>>40503593
yeah i've been with a woman before in a relationship so i think it'll be fine

>>40503593
he’s obviously a good looking guy

>>40503563
> when the identity died
how would you describe that?

>>40502718
what “autistic” qualities?

>>40503563
>when the identity died, T felt okay again
that's such a weird way of thinking
I wanted estrogen way before I cared about identity

>>40503632
Okay, imagine this. You've spent four years transitioning and convincing yourself you'll be satisfied as a simulacrum of a woman (a trans woman). You have a psychotic break and fully believe you're talking to God. The voice promises you that you'll be turned into a cis woman, and you fully believe it. Then, a couple of weeks later the delusions fall apart and bam you're back in the reality where you're a male troon.

That whiplash caused me to realize my true desire was to be female, that I wouldn't be satisfied approximating femaleness. I'd rather be a full man and be somewhat dissatisfied with it than be a "woman" forever excluded from the most essential aspects of womanhood.

>>40503671
blame /r/mtf for memeing low to mid dysphoric ppl into thinking they have woman souls

>>40503671
>that's such a weird way of thinking
It's pseudoreligious fervor, easily visible in sanctimonious causes and moral crusades. Doesn't even have to be religious.

>>40503428
>I somewhat believe in Christ but I'm not committed. I may need the Jesus cope desu

Ur committing philosophical suicide. why do u need a cope?

>>40503694
mental illness. I admit I think it's risky to submit my entire worldview to this ancient book, so I'm taking it slow.

>>40503680
> You have a psychotic break and fully believe you're talking to God. The voice promises you that you'll be turned into a cis woman, and you fully believe it. Then, a couple of weeks later the delusions fall apart and bam you're back in the reality where you're a male troon
im sorry that happened to you but i cant say that ive experienced that to be quite honest. are you on meds for schizophrenia? please look into it if not, schizophrenia develops in your early 20s and based on the _02 in your xitter handle ill guess you are 23.
> I'd rather be a full man and be somewhat dissatisfied with it
respectfully i think you dont know what your are saying but you are more than welcome to experience the pain of trying to thug the tranny thoughts out indefinitely.

>>40503707
So ur slowly deluding urself? how can u believe in stuff like the trinity? There's no way ur a stem major if ur this retarded

>>40503717
yeah this idea that """"repressing"""" will inevitably lead to suicide or you john 50 ing is retarded. people have been """"repressing"""" for thousands of years and have lived fulfilling lives.

i have bipolar 1

>>40503730
I admit the Trinity is not logically coherent. Honest Christians admit it's paradoxical. You have to take it on faith desu which I'm not sure I'm prepared to do

I'm 100% convinced there is a Creator though and that supernatural phenomenon exist.

>>40500810 (OP)
That is a distracting amount of armpit hair. Is this normal WTF?
Nothing said here is wrong though. "Last resort" seems harsh but people need to understand unless you pass your life is going to be a lot harder.
When I started I gave it 50:50 odds I'd ruin my life and I'd become unemployable. It was a massive stroke of luck that I didn't.

>>40503080
TRA are insane, but so is everyone who complains about TRAs. We're fucking cooked.
>>40503211
>breaks down in the case of intersex people
FUCKING THANK YOU

>>40503707
U want a pre packaged set of beliefs to escape from the emptiness u feel after leaving hrt. Trying to run from ur dysphoria and emptiness like this will only give u a false sense of purpose. What abt christianity do u even like if u know it's cope?

>>40503733
> thousands of years and have lived fulfilling lives.
do you have evidence that gender dysphorics were living fulfilling lives before modern medicine, id love to read about it?
> “repressing” will inevitably lead to suicide or you john 50 ing is retarded
i think logically repressing only ends in death or failure. not necessarily suicide. i personally didnt want to keep living with the constant gnawing of gd but hey thats just me

>>40502960
I never had this problem I dunno what he's talking about

>>40503745
If u believe u deluded urself into developing a trans identity and falling for "gender ideology" ,then why are u going to intentionally delude urself to something u aren't certain to be true? Are u really going to go thru the same cycle of diving into an ideology because of ur mania?

>>40503745
ye the only way they can convince you to irrationally believe in this bs is with faith desu. i’m also saving you in my lolcow folder. you’re the next neeza XD

>>40502951
First are foremost, you clearly have gender dysphoria. It seems you decided transitioning wasn't the right move for you, which i get.
>the crazy idea that you should have to diagnose someone with gender dysphoria before treating them with it
You really don't get it, do you? It's not about the doctor treating the patient, it's about the right of the patient to treat themselves. It's about bodily autonomy.
Not everybody wants a doctor to sign off on what should be a personal decision. If you wanted that, you should've sought it out instead of choosing to remove a doctor from the equation—which is what you did. You made the appointment, you signed the paperwork, you received information about what you were going to take, you provided consent, and you picked up the prescription. It's time to be a big boy and take some responsibility for yourself.

>>40503745
>I'm 100% convinced there is a Creator though
the same way u were convinced that the voices were real

>>40503878
>tips fedora
r/atheism lost, even Dawkins is identifying as culturally Christian.

>>40502151
Weird. Cis f les who experimented with T. I only ever had intrusive sexual fantasies about men when I was on high dose T. Then I was fucking them into the ground hard, you know? Hormones trigger insane instincts. Wild stuff. Was a fun ride. Do not want to be a man at all. I make a handsome woman.

>>40503891
dawkins is also against "gender ideology"

>>40503910
Based

look at his eyes, u can’t tell me he isn’t insane.

>>40503766
it's absolutely the case that I am looking for a solid, reliable ideology to buy into like Christianity to ground my worldview and help organize my life. after going off the deep end with far left politics and trans activism I'm looking to be more anchored.

The things I like about Christianity are (1) the teachings of Jesus, the direct ones from the gospels I think almost all are based (2) the message of salvation for everyone, in Islam there's no guarantee God forgives you but in Christianity you're assured salvation if you place your faith in Christ (3) I think the notion of God coming down to Earth and suffering for us is beautiful.

I have a lot of religious family that I became isolated from due to being trans. They're all probably way happier than I am and have much more stable lives. It makes me think they're doing something right.

I feel like of the major religions Christianity is the most likely to be right. The Trinity is paradoxical but every religion has stuff that you have to take on faith or glaring errors you need motivated reasoning to deal with. The Bible says Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. So if I seek out the truth honestly and they're right, I should eventually find my way to Jesus.

>>40503777
it doesn't exist because the modern notion of gender dysphoria is tied to the modern notion of gender identity, which wasn't around at least in Western cultures until the 20th century. in the past there were third gender roles for seriously nonconforming people. estrogen wasn't around so you just had to cope, and they did. Worrying about your gender is a first world problem and a modern problem more than anything

it's doomerism to think that """repressing""" doesn't work. I don't even call it repressing since I'm aware of all my feelings. the problem is dude that transitioning didn't make the gnawing feeling of GD go away! I'd rather live as a man and have a family, dealing with GD than be a troon dealing with GD anyways

>>40503939
tl;dr wants christanity to help him feel good. Christcuckery is a religion to control White people.

>>40503933
It's just mania
This is common for bipolar dysphorics
Some are more prone to extended detrans arcs

>>40503939
have u ever had an original thought? u just go from one movement to another. tra to christcuck baka

>>40503892
Testosterone really is a hell of a drug isn't it
>>40503877
Before I transitioned I picked up smoking and heavy drinking and damn near killed myself. I was old enough to buy alcohol and cigarettes and that was enough. I didn't need a recommendation letter from a psychologist.
I could see age-restricting informed consent but at some point you just earn the right to do dumb shit with your life IMO.
But the way everyone's going after informed consent maybe I should get my therapist to actually write a hormone letter.

>>40503428
Hey, I'm that T trying cis les. I love women. You want to know what it was like to date trans women? The exact same as cis women. Turns out even shit like period cramps? Lots of women don't have painful ones. Blew my mind, since mine suck.

Insecurities. I grew up hating my body. Felt incredibly insecure. Made friends with cis women who felt the same. Only one turned out ftm, but I'm 32. It wasn't as much of a thing.

I got into T from a bodybuilding angle. Okay that's a lie I got into it to grow my clit. Then it was fun to experiment with gender. It really changes your instincts! But actually being a man? I worked blue collar. I lived a hard man's life. Without transitioning. I don't want that. So I stopped taking high doses. I still take a little T for fun sometimes.

Now if you're afraid to live your truth, Jesus and family values bullshit can be a cope to get you through. Like why do you even give a shit about gender ideology stuff? Who gives a shit? Be an American. Pursue happiness. Freedom. All this "culture"? Bullshit. People trying to force their lifestyle on you. There are so many options out there. I didn't see them in my early 20s. I was suicidal. At 32? I'm doing crazy shit most weekends despite being physically disabled and in chronic pain.

Grind your way through whatever you have to, but remember you're going to die some day. How do you really want to live? Who for?

>>40503939
> estrogen wasn't around so you just had to cope, and they did
people also coped without glasses is bad eyesight a first-world issue?
> it doesn't exist because the modern notion of gender dysphoria is tied to the modern notion of gender identity
i dont think thats accurate
> I'd rather live as a man and have a family, dealing with GD than be a troon dealing with GD anyways
well by all means go for it i dont think you will find success in that route however

>>40503793
I'm not intentionally deluding myself into anything. I'm going to seek the truth, and if Jesus is the Truth as the Bible says I will find my way to Jesus.

>>40503829
Watching Neeza struggle has caused me to put pause on the Jesus cope. There are a ton of hidden fees that come with fully embracing a religion. I'm too much of a rigid thinker to become a Christian and be like, woke and ignore all the verses saying gay sex is sinful. If I become a Christian I think I'll need to actually take everything in the Bible seriously.

I can't understand why gay sex is sinful honestly. It just seems like most religions are more about social control than anything else. Regardless, if Jesus is the Truth and I seek the truth I'll find my way to Jesus.

>>40503877
Okay, so why can't I self-diagnose with ADHD and get informed consent Adderall? Why do other psychiatric conditions require diagnosis before treatment is administered but not gender dysphoria?

If gender affirming care is about bodily autonomy and is not to treat clinically significant distress, then it's cosmetic and shouldn't be covered by insurance. And yeah I believe in a little bit of paternalism. We shouldn't let severely mentally ill 18-year olds pick up cross-sex hormones without a psychiatric assessment, sorry

>>40503878
No, I've been convinced through rational argumentation and my own feelings. I haven't been delusional in ~8 months and my belief in a Creator has remained strong.

>>40503986
Unfortunately trans women aren't the same as cis women. I know this because I was one. If trans women were as close to cis women as you seem to think, I would probably still be one.

Gender ideology is harmful. I was a trans activist and pushed this stuff for years. I'm glad you don't regret taking testosterone, but I seriously regret going on estrogen. I'll eventually move on with my life but for now it's cathartic to talk about this stuff.

>>40503939
have you tried going outside and gaining life experience in order to ground your worldview? ik you’re not since you’re on tttt.

>>40504018
>then it's cosmetic
I think you can have both. Available at your own expense for cosmetic purposes, but insurance is free to insist you get diagnosed if you want them to pay for it.

>>40503197
>waah waah im being called out for being an opportunistic lying hylic who changes everything they think every 4 minutes
I'd believe him if he didnt do that. But he does. So idc fuck that retarded bitch.

>>40503229
Wait you're realizing he doesnt make any sense he cant respond to that because its le tra garbage or smth, so interesting you responded to >>40503235 but not to that, why is that?

>>40503939
>The Bible says Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. So if I seek out the truth honestly and they're right, I should eventually find my way to Jesus.

yes confirmation bias ur way into find the 'truth"

>>40504062
he said he didn't like having ED

>>40504038
yeah I need to touch grass desu

>>40504049
sorry, I don't support on-demand sex-trait modification without any psychological assessment

>>40504062
I'm still dysphoric in the sense that I don't feel fully comfortable in the male social role and sometimes feel distress about the male aspects of my body. But it might just be body dysmorphia idk

>>40504073
why do y'all think it's retarded to be religious? most humans are religious. seems like a more healthy cope than synthetic hormones

>>40503501
>became a christcuck
>mostly wants to become a breeder from detrooning and uh... browbone or le something
>i have gendet dysphoria but i actually dont, but wait, i had it but i dont have it anymore, but im still dysphoric !!!
Retarded. Please for the love of anything that's holy, end your bloodline at yourself.

>>40504018
Why'd you care so much to push it? Why do you care so much to reject it? Why are you so extreme? Why can't you find peace and live how you want to instead of getting caught up in all this idealogy? I'm living free. So is my trans gf. She passes as well as you did. Which means she can wear her old boy clothes and people will gender her correctly every time. Beautiful perky naturals. Gorgeous hips. Venus dimples. Pale soft skin. She just also has a dick.

I used high dose T not just because it made it possible to do my incredibly labor intensive job as a 5'3" woman with a fucked up back. I did it because the way it influenced my instincts fascinated me. The way it changed my body. Male puberty was incredibly interesting. It was a great distraction at a low point in my life as well. But I'm not a man. So once my already deep voice dropped hard I pulled back. My voice came back lol. I get a lot of compliments on it. So no consequences. It was all DIY T I bought online. Who gives a shit? I did the research. I measured my doses. Mixed my vials.

So why are you so helpless? Why are you just choosing to coast? The easy path laid out. Why not forge your own? My gf thinks like I do. We're incredibly happy together. We go out and people treat us real nice. Two pretty women. None of this shit you've wasted years of your life worrying about matters. Think about your own happiness.

>>40504096
>So no consequences
The plural of anecdote is not in fact data.

>>40504018
>Okay, so why can't I self-diagnose with ADHD and get informed consent Adderall? Why do other psychiatric conditions require diagnosis before treatment is administered but not gender dysphoria?
I'm speaking as someone who thinks that everything should be over the counter, but I have to say: adderall is a fucking amphetamine. Don't sit here and compare HRT to fucking amphetamines. Are you kidding me?
Also, in my case the process for obtaining adderall was essentially informed consent. I walked out with a prescription the day of my appointment.
Even then, I think the process should've been easier still.
>If gender affirming care is about bodily autonomy and is not to treat clinically significant distress, then it's cosmetic and shouldn't be covered by insurance.
Cosmetic procedures of varying types (i.e. plastic surgery) generally do not require written permission from a psychologist.
I could live with a mental assessment being a requirement for insurance coverage, so perhaps we agree on this point.
>We shouldn't let severely mentally ill 18-year olds pick up cross-sex hormones without a psychiatric assessment, sorry
Why? At what point do we consider adults deserving of their own autonomy?
18-year olds can go to the store and buy lethal doses of OTC drugs. Should we require prescriptions for every drug with any overdose potential? Suicide is perhaps the most damaging decision someone can possibly make after all.

>>40504091
>sex-trait modification
Damn you really did trade one cult for another.
Nevermind you're right. You definitely should've been gatekept.

>>40504091
>le social role or something, and uh... body things i will never list but im dysphoric im dysphoric !!!

>>40504105
Look, I'm clearly putting some fairy dust on here. To be honest of course my vocal box grew. I also have a bit of hirsutism. I even started balding. My hair color became darker. I was experimenting with T over 2 years. I was starting to be gendered weirdly by people. Most of the changes have reverted. It took a couple years of going to low T. Now I can take low doses and back off the second my voice drops. People love my voice so apparently it's good. Half of that is delivery but you get what I mean.

This is freedom. I'm also lucky enough to be a handsome type of woman, so it all works in my favor. Or I make it work. Masc woman in a dress is hot. So is masc punk woman. Lots of fun.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm on an antidepressant and I have chronic pain from endless back and joint spasms. My jaw won't stay in place so I keep having to ride out these headaches today. Objectively my life is hell. I have a lot reasons to not be happy, so I've devoted myself to living how I want to. Not answering to all this idealogy. Experiment with my life until I find the shit I want. You can too.

>>40504096
Idk I just care about things, that's my curse I guess. I go crazy without a belief system to ground my thinking.

Look, detransitioning is the right decision for me. I just don't believe I'm a woman anymore and I can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

>>40504107
Yeah that's retarded. Not everything should be over the counter. And arguably Adderall is less life-changing than HRT.

Also, the requirement for a GD diagnosis isn't even a huge barrier. Even a fake trans incel maxxer knows what to say to get the diagnosis if they want it.

We're not going to agree on this when u basically think we should have everything over the counter, good luck

>>40504113
trvke

>>40504142
You really like to just wave your hands and be helpless. What is up with that? You've given up. That's not good. Are you happy with this? Is this where you see yourself for the rest of your life? Wearing masks made for other people?

>>40504151
Christcucks are like this, leave him.

>>40504135
My criticism isn't your downplaying of minor issues from test. My criticism is that even accepting you at your word, that you personally did the research, took all the precautions, and experienced no downsides, says nothing about the downsides for others who fail to take or understand the precautions even as adults.
Prescription requirements are ubiquitous and present for things way less invasive than HRT.
Think of the old Carlin bit, about imagining how stupid the median person in the room is, and then realizing that half of them are more stupid than that. Like it or not, that bottom 50% guides protective public policy around medicine including access to HRT.

>>40504156
Choosing to give their life over to a set of rules instead of living? Jesus would weep. I'm an atheist yet I'm absolutely positive Jesus would be cool with me. Good morals. Love, compassion, and the good of mankind. You don't need a church or rules to tell you how to live. That's for people who are too afraid to be themselves. Self actualization and all that shit.

>>40504151
I assure you I haven't given up. I'm quite happy with my choice to detransition. I want to be a father and a husband. My female identity was just as much a "mask" as my male identity. It doesn't matter, I'm just me.

"Sydney" was not authentic. I was repressing parts of myself that I didn't feel fit who Sydney should be, just like I'd been doing before I transitioned. Now I just exist and act how I want and it's fine

I don’t get it is xe a pooner? Xe looks like a pooner.

I think the saddest thing about your whole testimony is that you're totally overlooking the fact that taking on a feminine form as part of your dysphoria, is who you really are. Your decision to detransition is totally detached from your internal sense of self, and you let society convince you into thinking that you weren't actually a woman because you got a few stares and couldn't rationalize yourself as a "real woman".

I understand how hard it is to not be fully female but coping into christianity is just a futile and sad attempt at self brainwashing yourself out of an actual true identity.

Worsemore, you spread propaganda like all other AGP grifters who get their post nut clarity that we "need more gatekeeping" because you yourself have a fragile sense of identity and need to feel like you're apart of something. Appealing to the gender critical mob is just another attempt at belonging to something, so many people have already faced impediments to their own lives because of increasing restrictions on live saving health care.

Ultimately I wish you well and I hope you do what's right for u in your heart, but I don't feel you're telling the truth about what you want for yourself, i think you are just a giga4channer that got discouraged by not living somewhere ppl don't suck.

Truly hope u find peace. Really hope u stop grifting your stupid shit tik toks they are bad for all of the rest of us.

>>40504158
Yeah, people are encouraged to be stupid. Rote memorization doesn't encourage curiosity. Being good at following directions and rules is helpful, but doesn't help develop individuality.

Inform people. Make it a class. Make it simple to get in. Educate. 3 month process with additional time as needed. Compassion is necessary with this process so it's only a dream, but it would be better than the bullshit we're doing. After education let people make their mistakes. That's life.

>>40504170
>I exist and want what i want
>became a christian
>unsupportive, very coincidentally christian family
>this definitely didnt influence my choices or something this is fully organic believe me believe me the tranny thing wasnt real this 10000% is please please this is absolutely fully real
It feels like you're trying to convince yourself into believing that and failing

>>40504189
You misunderstand Carlin's point and the generally immutable nature of individual IQs. If you want out of safeguarding of the lower half the answers are basically "let them suffer" or eugenics. Youre not going to boot camp or remediate an 85 IQ person into a 105 IQ person. That's the point. They're always going to be there, being stupid, and medicine will say they have to be protected from themselves.

>>40504170
Yeah Sydney doesn't seem any more authentic than this man you're trying to be. Why don't you try finding your real self again with a fresh start. This giving yourself up to stereotypical manhood shit is just as silly. I don't even know you and don't care if you transition or not. I'm not invested in your narrative. Don't really give a shit. Just sad as fuck watching you do what you're doing. You're self aware enough to know you're wasting your time chasing standards you didn't set for yourself. You can be a father but you don't have to do it like this. Don't get railroaded.

Hell my gf admitted she sometimes thinks about being a mom. Like she gets hormonal about it. Says she wants to adopt sometimes, but other times she's lost in a thought she hasn't quite felt comfortable bringing up. She still has her dysphoric moments. But I think a part of her wants to be a "father". It's cute.

>>40504209
>you have to be stripped off the ability to make conscious choices because retards exist

>>40504180
>because you yourself have a fragile sense of identity and need to feel like you're apart of something
Perfect explanation of what goes on inside someone’s mind to make them detransition and choose to grift with “gender critical” talking points. It’s too bad it’ll go in one ear and out the other for her. What’s even worse, though, is the harm she’s going to do for the trans community, as if there already aren’t enough barriers to trans healthcare access.

>>40504209
They're already getting drunk. They have licenses. They already can hunt. They're getting tattoos and having kids. You want them to take a 3 month class to have a kid? Cool, me too! You seem to forget all the freedoms we take for granted. We're free to be stupid when it involves our own bodies. We own our bodies. Let us make mistakes. Like tattoos lololololol

>>40504169
Dude we know for a fact that Jesus of Nazareth was a Jewish preacher. Jewish preachers tend to disapprove of those who reject the God of Israel, no?

>>40504180
No, my sense of self is sort of a bi-focal consciousness. Right now the male side is dominant but the female personality floats around and influences things. This is how I conceptualize it at least. I was actively repressing the more masculine parts of myself.

If I believed in gender ideology I would call myself non-binary or bi-gender. But I don't, I'm just a man.

Gender Critical ppl are retarded a lot of the time. Woman=adult human female breaks down in the case of intersex people. But TRAs and the ideology they push are harmful. My content isn't aimed at GCs

>>40504203
No, almost all of the family I interact with regularly (sibling, grandparents, parents, cousin) are all agnostics. The religious family I was never that close to. I did not grow up in a religious household at all

>>40504216
I'm not giving myself up to stereotypical manhood. I'm just not wearing women's clothes because it's easier. I'm glad you treat your trans gf well, she deserves it.

>>40504091
>I don't feel fully comfortable in the male social role and sometimes feel distress about the male aspects of my body

>>40504223
>They're already getting drunk. They have licenses. They already can hunt
That's all great, but none of those things are prescription medications.

>>40504252
See, you run to rules. I don't give a fuck about the rules you believe in. Why do you have to run to rules to comfort yourself? You honestly think Jesus would give a shit? If he represented God? You really don't believe this shit do you. You just want to give yourself over to rules you get to argue. Just like Sydney. Noah isn't a real person. It's just a mask. Distract yourself with rule puzzles as much as you want. You're ignoring all the real points for this kind of bullshit response? Delusional. You don't want to face reality. You're afraid to be in control of your own life. You're weak and helpless. Miserable. The perfect victim for any ideology. No wonder you run to them for comfort. I'm sorry, but you're pathetic. And you know it. But you're choosing to be pathetic. You always have the power to be true to yourself. You just have to stop running.

>>40504219
In matters of medicine, yes, with longstanding precedent. Lots of other examples outside of medicine, too. The only areas where (in the US) this is somewhat not true is codified constitutional rights, and even then, state or public interests compel over individuals often.

This is some pseud libertarian shit, except you want to individualize all the perceived benefits yet socialize all the harms.

>>40504252
>I'm not giving myself up to stereotypical manhood.
>isnt feminine
>is a christian
>"wants to become a husband/father"
>but i cry sometimes and im mentally ill (which is a woman thing) so im not sterrotypical !!!

>>40504252
>No, my sense of self is sort of a bi-focal consciousness. Right now the male side is dominant but the female personality floats around and influences things. This is how I conceptualize it at least. I was actively repressing the more masculine parts of myself.
Holy fuck
Utter schizofrenic retardation
Your """content"""" is harmful to my eyes and braincells

>>40504274

>Delusional. You don't want to face reality.

This is a very ironic thing for someone whom I assume is trans to say.

I'm not even running to rules dude. I'm not committed to Christianity by any means. I'm sure God exists, but the God I'm sure exists may or may not be sending down books to humans and may not care what we do. But if Jesus Christ is God, then certainly He would care for us to worship God because Jesus was a Jew!

>>40504280
Not fully committed to Christianity.

Can you not be a feminine man and be a father? Being a man requires nothing of me except not wearing women's clothing. And I ultimately just don't care that much about clothing or presentation.

>>40504292
<3

If Jesus were alive today he would be the exact opposite of what he was before, he came here to destroy the stablishment, that's his whole thing, being anti system, using him as a crutch without understanding him is dumb and dangerous. If a christ consciousness exist, it is trans

>>40504277
No you really just want to treat people like helpless retards. Fuck off. People have the right to make mistakes. I say let em start at 16. Earlier if they sue their parents. Parents are also often retarded, are they not? Yet we trust them to raise their kids with whatever beliefs. Why must we control this one so tightly? You're just a domination freak. Fuck you. American freedom. Fuck off you anti American shit stain.

I'm well educated. You aren't really talking with authority here. You just keep trying to say people are too stupid to be trusted with ownership of their bodies. Plenty of controlled substances are prescribed for whatever bullshit reason and you know it if you know anything about the medical system. Thousands and thousands of men on testosterone not because their levels were out of range, but just to feel better. Medical decisions made based on culture. All common. Get a grip.

>>40504303
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Transitioning fills the void for people that religion used to fill. Is it not better to cope with Jesus than hormones if you really have to cope?

>>40504301
>Can you not be a feminine man and be a father? Being a man requires nothing of me except not wearing women's clothing.

>>40504292
>>Holy fuck
>>Utter schizofrenic retardation
Have you never ever read Jung?

>>40504170
>I want to be a father and a husband
You want to be a father and a husband because it will serve as a status symbol and an affirmation for your “supposed” masculinity, not because you have any genuine interest in performing those roles. You will probably find any excuse to be absent as soon as she pops out those kids desu.

>>40504311
No, you didn't get it, you are using 2000 year old ideology and applying it to modern times, the core concept of Christ relies on doing what's best for humanity and that is destroying the current system that's keeping us down, if he were alive today the first thing he'd do would be telling all the religious fags to tone down their fanatism and learn the new way of living not sticking to expired concepts

>>40504301
I'm cis, silly. I'm a cis woman. You really do just want to believe in a simple system. You're scared. So stop running. You're only running from yourself into a life of mediocrity and regret. Enjoy your midlife crisis. Try not to destroy your families life when your weak emotional constitution and values are tested over years. And years. And so many years of grinding for a life you are desperate to want but know you resent. I saw so many people doing that. As a kid. As an adult. Girl, I'm free. I dumped that social burden. I found love and acceptance being myself. An androgynous, outspoken dork of a woman with a 2 inch clit. My life rules these days. I get to be a chick with a micro dick and I'm fertile. Because I chose to find my own happiness instead of remaining helpless, looking for someone else to tell me how to live my life.

>>40504301
My point apparently still stands tall and strong and is getting proved more post after post
You're failing at convincing yourself, why are you trying to convince others?

>>40504322
Yes, and partly because of things like this, I consider him a retard, to say the least. Most psychosomethings are quacks or schizos

>>40504308
>No you really just want to treat people like helpless retards
Ok. You can rail on this sort of point all you want, and it won't change the reality of medical liabilities, medical ethics, and the mass of people both credentialed and not who advocate for protectionism. Of you disagree, by all means campaign for repeal of prescription. See how that goes.
We haven't even gotten into the real interesting stuff like government interests versus the individual, or 1A and 2A restrictions for public good.
>I'm well educated.
Well-educated people don't require self-pronounement.

>>40504358
>Yes, and partly because of things like this, I consider him a retard
Filtered. Kindly pick a trip so I can remove you from my sight.

>>40504170
>father and a husband
That is such a terrible idea, it never works, I was always against it, I am still against it but I had no choice, I had to step up because no one did, it was either a detrans father or giving them on adoption, spent months debating whether it was a good idea and they(her family and my family) never convinced me that it was the right thing.
She could never let go of that image of me, every single day she reminded me I was taking hormones at some point and she wasn't happy, we had to come to an agreement later, one that still hurts me to this day but these things cannot be just swiped under the rug, let alone something as public and definitive as your case.

>>40504301
Lolll at going mask off by claiming trans people are delusional. Poke a gender critical detrooner, a self-hating transphobe bleeds.

>>40503939
I like u ur like me but less self aware. I often have these same obsessive thoughts about religion and identity but ultimately the more rational part of my brain takes me back to reality. I’m a manmoder and I’m guessing that’s where you’ll end up eventually

honestly u can do what you want but making a griftoid tik tok to appeal to a group of people just as vulnerable as you at the expense of the 90 some-% of trans ppl who actually know themselves makes u a selfish piece of shit

why do all of you fragile weaklings need to bring your stupid bullshit into other people's lives? do whatever the fuck you want but linking with fucking buck angel and advocating for gatekeeping??

actually ridiculous selfish shit. delete your tik tok and do whatever the fuck you want it's so hard out here already

>>40504364
No :3

>>40504376
>claiming trans people are delusional
Multiple hons on this site will argue to the death that HRT is changing their sex. Not their sex characteristics or their sex differentiation. But their actual gametal sex. Some will argue with a straight face that orchiectomy makes them intersex.
Being trans isn't delusion, but trannies cargo cult a shitload of delusional takes.

>>40504386
That's just your male shadow being defiant because you never properly integrated him.

why would u throw all this away to win over terfs and cuckservatives?

>>40504323
No dipshit, I want to be a father and husband because I want to fall in love with a woman and have a couple of babies with her. Maybe this would be possible as a troon but it's a hell of a lot easier as a man.

Like dude. I am an organism. I have a desire to propagate my genes. Sue me.

>>40504342
I'm cis, silly. I'm a cis man. I'm not scared. I've stopped running. I'm escaping a life of mediocrity and regret. I WILL enjoy my midlife crisis and it will be beautiful. I will never destroy my family. I'm free. I dumped that social burden. I found love and acceptance being myself. An androgynous, outspoken dork of a man with gynecomastia and FFS. My life rules these days. I get to be a somewhat feminine man with FFS and I'm fertile. Because I chose to find my own happiness instead of remaining helpless.

>>40504367
Well, I'm not currently taking hormones and have no desire to. And any girl I date I'll tell going into it that I used to be trans. Seems like you're projecting a bit here dude. My trans identity played itself out and died. I can't put the toothpaste back in the tube

>>40504380
I really don't want to be on estrogen anymore. Why does nobody believe me?

>>40504311
Vapid, idiotic statement. Religion came about as an attempt to explain the universe while creating a sense of community. Being trans is an isolating experience and hrt is the best treatment we have for treating sex dysphoria. Treating a rare medical condition as akin to organized religion, of which most humanity is a part of, is insane.

You don’t even know what you’re talking about when you bring up religion. You want to use something you hardly understand as a cope while merely regurgitating socially regressive talking points from bigots that use Christianity to justify their ignorance and hatred.

>>40504404
>No dipshit, I want to be a father and husband because I want to fall in love with a woman and have a couple of babies with her
will you still love and be there for your children if she gave birth to a tard child?

>>40504414
>Being trans is an isolating experience
It's loosely equivalent to martyrdom for some.

>>40504404
It is a warning, do what you must.

>>40504392
I’ve been on this board for years and not a single person has ever claimed it changes chromosomes, you concern trolling tourist. Transsexuality IS a physical form of intersexuality seeing as sex characteristics are changed. Sex in humans is influenced by a variety of characteristics, of which chromosomes are only one part of.

>>40504404
>I really don't want to be on estrogen anymore. Why does nobody believe me?
Because it doesnt feel like you are honest at all, neither to yourself nor others

>>40504414

They said: If a christ consciousness exist, it is trans

Directly equivocating trans identity with spiritual enlightenment.

Trans identity doesn't explain the universe but it can provide community and a sense of meaning, especially for people who are chronically online and isolated already.

I'm literally a transmedicalist dude. I think people should be able to get gender affirming care as a treatment for gender dysphoria. I criticize the people who treat being trans as a spiritual act or whatever, but it's undeniable this is something that happens on the activist side of the trans community.

>>40504417
Of course I would.

>>40504421
terminally online take tbqh here’s your (You)

>>40504432
>not a single person has ever claimed it changes chromosomes
Congratulations, you argued against something entirely disjoint from what I said. What a nice strawman. Go away ungil you can read, retarded tripfaggot.

>>40504443
>retard calling others retards
kek

>>40502951
Ahahaha, jfc, you're so retarded.

>>40504404
>I really don't want to be on estrogen anymore. Why does nobody believe me?
bc you still look like an effeminate twink and don’t know what it’s like to have the body of a real man

>>40504432
This shit is so retarded.

If you exclude intersex people, sex is truly a binary. Describing sex as a bimodal distribution of male or female sex characteristics is only useful when you're talking about very specific intersex conditions.

It's amazing the mental gymnastics trans women will do to avoid saying they're male. I'm sorry. A male on estrogen is still a male. This is just a fact.

Am I intersex because I have gynecomastia? If I started estrogen again tomorrow would I no longer be biologically male?

USE YOUR BRAIN

>>40504432
>Sex in humans is influenced by a variety of characteristics, of which chromosomes are only one part of.
Nope. Sex is gametes. Differentiation isn't sex. Sorry.

>>40504472
I am a cis woman, lmao.

Transsexuals are quite literally intersex. They exist on the spectrum from male to female, closer to the sex they’ve transitioned to, and the fact that you have been estrogenized automatically means you have female sex characteristics. You don’t have gynecomastia, dipshit. You have female breasts.

>>40504404
so do u regret ffs or not? See why no one takes u seriously

>>40504472
You aren't a biological "human male" or "human female" because you have to be human for these in the first place, and you are definitely not showing mental capacity of a human being, more that of an ape with a keyboard

>>40504485
People aren’t perceiving that. Every human is perceiving the effects of sex differentiation, sweetheart.

>>40504497
Yes, I regret FFS. The dysphoria was social and I didn't realize it. I miss rubbing my browbone :( my face doesn't look quite right as a man now

>>40504490
I can't argue with someone who claims that I'm intersex because I have man boobs.

>>40504519
u just said u like being a feminine man with ffs. explain

>>40504490
>Transsexuals are quite literally intersex
Imagine being such a narcissist you celebrate and encourage trannies wearing the metaphorical skin of actual DSD individuals so that they can play affirmation word games about their sex that make them feel good.
DSD are birth conditions, you dumbass twat. Choosing to take estrogen is not a birth condition.
>muh brain scans, or other pseudoscience
Come back when the scans are replicable and used for dysphoria diagnosis

>>40504519
>I have man boobs
how are you going to find a wife, much less a woman who is willing to carry your children, if you have man-boobs and used to be a troon?

>>40504519
Clearly you are too fucking stupid to know there is a huge difference between gynecomastia and female breast growth in transsexual women.

You’re right, you should have been gatekept because you’re too stupid to make your own decisions since you can’t understand basic biology.

>>40504500
he’s obviously high iq, he’s just too mentally ill

>>40504540
Women do things on impulse, the problem would not be finding one but keeping one, that is the true challenge.

>>40504536
>narcissist
I am cis. lol

The act of transitioning, you scrote, being a choice or not is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that sex characteristics are physically changed. The body is physically alerted. And the fact is that those changes alleviate sex dysphoria. Come back when you’ve found a better cure for sex dysphoria. I’m sure you know better than actual doctors and biologists.

>>40504519
>I miss rubbing my browbone
The more you repeat this like a fucking llm the less people will believe you about it

>>40504519
Uhhhh the breasts you develop from estrogen are different from the man boobs you got from being a terminally online fat ass that spends their time “owning libs” on an image board

The intersex part comes from the literal scientific studies conducted on trans women’s brains who were NOT taking estrogen. The studies showed that their brains were more closely aligned with their gender identity than their AGAB.

>>40504574
Altered, not alerted. Lol
>>40504580
Ahahaha, hadn’t even read that. That’s fucking sad. She’s poorly imitating how a cis person would talk about things.

>>40504531
Okay I wobble back and forth a bit. Sometimes I like looking a bit feminine but right before I wrote that comment I'd been in the bathroom lamenting that my face looks weird without my browbone. Maybe I have more mixed feelings about it. But I definitely don't like the cheek implants.

>>40504536
This dude. Intersex issues are way different from trans issues.

For example, there are biological males who are assigned female at birth. In these cases there is actually a distinction between someone's actual sex and the one they were assigned at birth. This shows that on some level sex is a social category.

But it doesn't apply to trans people in the same way.

>>40504540
Dude, my computer science teacher in high school was 500 lbs and had a wife and kids. I'm sure I can find a woman who doesn't care I used to be a troon and have man boobs

>>40504580
No but I kind of do tho. I didn't like that it clocked me but I'm jealous of my brother's browbone desu

Like I've said I would probably be considered gender fluid or non binary or agender if I bought into the ideology. I'm just choosing to live as a man

>>40504587
Those same studies also show that the brains of gay men are more closely aligned with (female) women. The "trans brains" thing is a myth.

>>40504580
imagine a cis dude saying that I’d be like wtf are u a repper

why is he still on 4chan? noah must be a repgen anon kek

>>40504595
you need to go on mood stabilizers holy shit

>>40504595
>it doesn’t apply because… it just doesn’t, okay???

>>40504595
>I used to be a troon
Yeah totally the same as being fat

>>40504595
there are far more straight women that like fat men than ones that like feminine men

>>40504574
>I am cis. lol
Relevant because you inject yourself and your bad opinions to feel good.
>sex characteristics are physically changed
Sex characteristics aren't sex. Body-modding sex characteristics aren't DSDs which are born conditions.
>And the fact is that those changes alleviate sex dysphoria
Irrelevant, because curing or not curing sex dysphoria has nothing to do with intersex classification.

You really would be the moron who calls an orchiectomy patient intersex post-op.
> I’m sure you know better than actual doctors and biologists.
Doctors and biologists don't call post-op orchiectomy patients intersex. Doctors and biologists don't call body-mod intersex. Because that would muddy the waters on what intersex is - birth conditions outside of the reproductive norm.

>>40504359
No see, what I'm saying is you're talking out your ass. I didn't say to repeal prescription. Do you have no idea about hormone therapy from private doctors? Even insurance covers a lot these days. There's hormonal treatments being offered to women in every stage of menopause. Women can get T from their doctor for their sex drive. Shit is happening in the medical field that you apparently don't know about. I don't even really get what your problem with hormone therapy. It's a booming business for the straight hets. Why can't the trannies choose to have it? Accept the risk?

>>40504595
>used to be
you still have the mindset you did before though that you have to be a woman to date men

the 4chan troons reaction to noah as evident itt is exactly the reason why children should not be allowed to transition, it's absolutely sick and vile, you will always be male brained

>>40504616
They can, with a prescription, and with on-label FDA approval. Which is the gatekeeping protection mechanism chosen by the medical field. Which you've been sperging out about for multiple posts.

>>40504619
>HE WAS ONLY 25 YOU SICK FUCK!!!

>>40504404
You. You're just mimicking. Oh no. You're fucked. Enjoy your crisis. Guess you're too defensive now to even try. Keep enjoying your narrative. But seriously, stop trying to spread your ideology. You made a mistake when you transitioned and made your personality about that. You're making a mistake now as you just picked a new personality to morph into. Fake it until you make it is a lie. You never build real confidence. It's always fragile. You're going to suffer that. Enjoy. This is clearly your choice. Have fun thinking about me in a few years. I got a time share in there and I'm waiting for my turn.

>>40504619
>he was a literal baby 18 years ago you sick pervert !!!

>>40504663
I had no idea what I was doing in life at 18 - telling young adults they need chemical castration to be happy is cruel.

>>40504626
The approval is just, hey there's this thing write me a script thanks. What world do you live in? It's so easy. Compounding companies familiar to you? Hormone mills? Or TRT clinics. Whatever you want to call them. Really, you think this shit is hard? It's only blocked by people not realizing how easy it is. You're not the target demographic for the ads.

>>40504404
>I'm cis, silly. I'm a cis man. I'm not scared. I've stopped running. I'm escaping a life of mediocrity and regret. I WILL enjoy my midlife crisis and it will be beautiful. I will never destroy my family. I'm free. I dumped that social burden. I found love and acceptance being myself. An androgynous, outspoken dork of a man with gynecomastia and FFS. My life rules these days. I get to be a somewhat feminine man with FFS and I'm fertile. Because I chose to find my own happiness instead of remaining helpless.

>>40504670
Not everyone was a loser neet screeching online at 18. Some of us were out living life, not dissociating enough to forget our young adulthood. Or are you 80 years old with dementia?

>>40504670
Turns out the fertility loss is greatly, greatly exaggerated. Trans women keep getting people pregnant. My partner misses her shot by 3 days and it comes out a white trickle. Her E levels are very high and T very low. You just never know.

It's okay to be a man

>>40504685
I didn't become a NEET until age 19 :)
>im a castrated wagie I'm contributing!
lol

>>40504678
>The approval is just, hey there's this thing write me a script thanks
>what are off-label malpractice risks
>what are black-label warnings
If prescriptions are fine by you, then we aren't arguing, which makes your yelling about preventative medical posturing all the more head scratching given I'm pretty sure I said "prescription" in one of my first posts.

>>40504670
At 18 I had already done so much by myself, not everyone is helpless their entire life.

>>40504670
>i had no idea what i was doing at 18
I already had a plan for life, as well as backup plans, at 13/14. Your utter incompetence shouldnt be rewarded by treating "people" like you with kiddie gloves

>>40504659
stop being fatalistic

>>40504659
trvvvke

>>40504703
>I already had a plan for life, as well as backup plans, at 13/14
and thats why you are a tranny on 4chan telling kids to castrate themselves

>>40504700
No really, the medical system is the wild west. There is so much shit happening and you want to focus on think of the children scare mongering. Fuck you, shit stain. There is no real discussion with you. You clearly don't know your own bias here. What do you even want from me? To say yeah, all this crazy shit is happening in the medical world. Yeah, there's decades upon decades of knowledge of men using hormones off label and getting help from their doctors. There's decades on decades of knowledge of hormone management of all sorts of conditions. Let's just not give people the option to pursue cross gender hormones. Because.??? You don't like it? Fuck off. You're ridiculous.

>>40504716
Are you a llm? Just asking

>>40504683
he’s going to become the repper messiah

>>40504716
No one is saying that
>kids on 4chan
Where are their parents

>>40504706
Life ends in death. It sucks, but decisions about who we want to be influence how we interact with the world every day. This person is choosing some pretty intense delusions. I'm only trying to show them how narrow their scope is. Which is ridiculously narrow. Either trans rights activist or Jesus football dad. Like what? Like those are the only options? What????

>>40504725
>What do you even want from me?
So are prescriptions for on-label FDA-approved use acceptable, or...?
You keep fidgeting between
>doctors note so easy
and
>whoah we can't just deny people options
Literally just get the doctors note. If he does the bad thing he'll get sued.

>>40504729
with his truth nukes, he will liberate all of us from trooning. i’m already demoralized after his watching his videos.

>>40504731
parents abandon their kids if the kids are gender non conforming/gay
you want to pressure those kids into castrating themselves, and sell doing so as the only possibly solution to life's problems

>>40504736
lmaoooo

>>40504746
I've never done that

>>40504737
Oh wow you really are ignorant. You have no idea what you're talking about. You really are trying to tell me "heh, you'll get caught if you break the rules". When you don't even know the game. Why are you pretending to know what the fuck you're talking about? So your lame opinion has some value? Embarrassing.

>>40504761
Ok, well thread's past 300, so yes, get the scrip or get your bathtub HRT provider raided.
>just your opinion
Look around at the state of things.

>>40504761
>you really are ignorant
>heh, read a book, bigot

>>40504775
You're pathetic. You really don't know about hormone clinics. Let me guess. You're poor. Maybe you think you're middle class. But you're poor. You don't get the ads for the hormone clinics. They know you can't afford it. You're ignorant of an entire world of medicine.

>>40504142
we need informed consent xanax, ritalin, ketamine, and opiates. no medical diagnoses should be required.

>>40504791
>You really don't know about hormone clinics
You mean endocrinologist?
Are they prescribing off-label?
Then anticipate them folding soon, much like gender clinics for minors.

>>40504683
i’m probably going to find him on grindr one of these days

>>40504796
It already exists for most of the population with balls. Ridiculously easy. Order on an eBay website easy. The USPS is the biggest drug delivery system in the world.

You live in a fantasy land where things are simple. You have no idea what the world is like. Do you have any idea how many doctors are on amphetamine prescriptions? Or just fuck around with other stuff for fun?

You really think everyone follows some simple rules? You think every prescription mill is caught? You think people aren't going to get their hormones no matter what you think they should do?

Why are you so desperate to control people? No really. I'm curious.

>>40504819
>we couldn't possibly just, like, enforce against that

>>40504805
Oh. You really are just an idiot with a big mouth. You never really knew what's up. You just want people to suffer. Suck a dick, dumbshit. Here's a fun one for you. White male suicide statistics. Especially rural. Percentage of gun deaths.

>>40504825
Yeah why does anyone ever speed? Get on it, officers!

>>40504832
>You just want people to suffer
You told the voting population that for a decade and they responded by telling you to go fuck yourself lol. Turns out malicious emotional manipulation is not exactly a winning strat.

>>40504838
Never did that, dumb shit. You really like your fantasy, huh? Much easier to understand than big scary complex reality

>>40504835
>guess we better just not have speed limits
>maybe we should just get rid of all property crimes while we're at it

>>40504838
Oh, and nice victim narrative. You poor helpless thing you never had a choice! All those things you feel and believe? They're just uhhh. Grooming? Now fit into the proper social role, drone. Breed.

>>40504843
>Never did that, dumb shit.
Maybe not, but you're doing it ITT, not too much of a stretch to predict it's a daily driver for your life.

>>40504846
Yup. It's simply retarded. Typical.

>>40503563
you’ll always be sydney, u can’t run away from your fate. you can’t escape from your desire to be a female.

>>40504854
Wow. You know what a strawman is right? Ma'am, you lost my respect a long time ago. At this point I'm just amazed at how deep you can dig a hole. And so fast.

>>40504746
And what point would I have in doing so?

>>40504838
And now they're fucked over in nearly every regard and majority hates their current president.
In Uk there are millions of starving kids. There were 3 million sign ups for a petition for a reelection. Country's getting floooded by muslims.and browns. Was it worth it?

>>40503329
Most aren't public probably? Im a detroon but would never make a public video because I would be afraid to put my face out there

>>40503379
You dont have to explain anything. Just detroon and live life.

>>40504890
I'm not from the UK.

>>40503892
Yeah idk I'm sure it's different for different people

Anyway I'm a detroon but believing in christanity is so fucking unbelievably retarded that I barely see those people are human

>>40503977
It's just the ex gay movement all over again. Stuff like this ropes in certain personality types. When the cultural winds shift again in a decade or two, a lot of these types will switch right back. There's also a high probability that many of them will turn into secretive crossdresser sissy fetish types as they get older and life wears away at their ability to repress.

>>40504018
>Unfortunately trans women aren't the same as cis women. I know this because I was one. If trans women were as close to cis women as you seem to think, I would probably still be one.
>Gender ideology is harmful. I was a trans activist and pushed this stuff for years. I'm glad you don't regret taking testosterone, but I seriously regret going on estrogen. I'll eventually move on with my life but for now it's cathartic to talk about this stuff.

I highly doubt this. I think you're mistaking the sugar high of social approval after years of being an outsider as "catharsis". You seem to be a person who bounces from one extreme to the other. You're going to have a strange, painful but probably interesting life.

>>40504401
>why would u throw all this away to win over terfs and cuckservatives?

Noah is one to watch. This retvrn to tradition fad is going to pass, and cases like this will get much more interesting. I expect we'll see a few years of "estrogen was terrible I was tricked by the gender ideology" followed by a few years of silence and then finally out the other side either a suicide, a reveal that these people are all engaging in secretive repper behaviors or they'll decide it's safe enough to jump off the bandwagon and transition again.

The social climate right now is highly anti-transgender so it makes sense that people sensitive to social pressure would go down this sort of path. Particularly after a "psychotic break".

>>40504401
she had it all

>>40505267
>I'm cis, silly. I'm a cis man. I'm not scared. I've stopped running. I'm escaping a life of mediocrity and regret. I WILL enjoy my midlife crisis and it will be beautiful. I will never destroy my family. I'm free. I dumped that social burden. I found love and acceptance being myself. An androgynous, outspoken dork of a man with gynecomastia and FFS. My life rules these days. I get to be a somewhat feminine man with FFS and I'm fertile. Because I chose to find my own happiness instead of remaining helpless.

>>40505272
what if he actually ends up happy as a detransitioner

>>40504170
based. you made the right decision cuz most real lesbians won’t even date troons, and bi women tend to date men. only 1% of cis women are lesbians, and most of them aren’t willing to date tw. According to a 2019 study from Blair, K.L., & Hoskin, R.A. , Only 3.1% of lesbians said they would be open to dating a tw. 1%* 3.1%= .031% of cis lesbians willing to date tw. hence why you see many transbians that are t4t. you have a better chance of pulling women as a guy.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407518779139?journalCode=spra

>>40505272
Ppl keep posting this like it was a gotcha but I was just repeating the person's style.

The point is that when y'all tell me I'm "not being my authentic self" by detransitioning that's the same thing y'all complain about "transphobes" doing when they say you're not being your authentic self by transitioning in the first place.

Why is it always authentic to transition and never authentic to detransition? Explain

>>40503939
Christ didn't die for you he died so that Zion's faith may kill us! Don't trust Semitic fetish that exposes other cheek

he’s obsessed with this bs.

>>40503431
kek

>>40505377
bc ur detransition doesn’t sound authentic at all ur talking about needing religion as a cope and you can’t decide if you like your look or not

>>40504096
you sound like a hella cool woman

>>40505377
hi noah. i releate a lot to what you have described feeling in your transition and reason for detransition

>>40503007
>merely desiring to be a woman does not make you a woman

"woman" is a social construct, a role awarded to people with "correct" sex characteristics, and then convincing a child to internalize it.

>>40503007
>I wouldn't have transitioned if I didn't believe I essentially had a woman soul.

imagine believing in stupid "souls" instead of science of changing your sex characteristics

>>40503160
>But I believed I had an immutable female gender identity

I don't believe in innate "gender identites" either and I'm still transitioning
People are either groomed into identifying az a woman or choose this social identity themselves
skill issue

>>40503680
>blame /r/mtf for memeing low to mid dysphoric ppl into thinking they have woman souls

Highly dysphoric people also don't have them
You're insane

>>40505377
>Why is it always authentic to transition and never authentic to detransition? Explain
I don't know you or your life, so I'm not gonna tell you what is or isn't authentic.
But I can tell you it sounds disingenuous as fuck when you announce your detransition after a psychotic break and start speaking heavily in GC terms. I cringe the same way when someone tells me they trooned after an acid trip or something.
TBF the life you describe while transitioned doesn't sound perfectly authentic either. Real men and women are a mix of masculine and feminine. You should never have to lock away parts of yourself to be a gender.
I think you've actually sold me on gatekeeping though. Congratulations I'm a transmed now.

The whole public schizo meltdown thing is a shame because you make very good points in these videos, and people need to hear them.
My transition only worked because I'm an exaggeratedly biologically failed "male" who didn't really pass as one, and because I'm acespec so I don't really care about not dating.
I see the stares my friends get, and the cars circling the block just to stare us down again, and even when people are nice it's exaggerated and transparently fake and... I feel bad for them. No one knows how to just be normal around them, and some people are actively cruel.
People need to be ready for that to potentially be the rest of their lives.