Thread 40625618

Why do older trans women troon out? I get wanting to be a young woman. The world is simping for you. While men your age are treaded as trash.

But what if you are 30+ and invisible to society. Then it is better to be a man? Why even troon out when older?

>>40625618 (OP)
>Why even troon out when older?
Because you already have a wife and kids in many cases

Better late than never I suppose.

Just please dress your age, we don't need another sissy weirdo.

>>40625618 (OP)
People still simp for older women all the time lmao, picrel is in her late 40s and has more options than 90 percent of young men

>>40625618 (OP)
I dunno. What is dysphoria?

>>40625618 (OP)
Because sometimes you just can't repress indefinitely I guess? Moreover there're lots of examples on Twitter and reddit of older trans women that pass and look gorgeous even trooning out at 30+, so these people must tell themselves "why not me ?" Idk

anon can't grasp the concept of dysphoria and views all transition through some autistic agp utilitarian lens lmao

>>40625733
Zoomers generally can't, they just glanced at a barbie once when they were six and their parents put them on hormones instantly. Most people who trooned before 18 aren't even trans, they just got into the wrong discord server once and were peer pressured into it.

>>40625743
case in point >>40625206

>>40625636
A lot of guys want their best friend's mum but with a dick

I never stopped male failing, bdd kept eating me alive and I got the support I never had, I stil often have a hard time looking at myself in the mirror but I've noticed people see something in my face, men specially, the way they look at me it's so different so I know something must be happening.

>>40625762
Lmao this is just not true. Old troons look awful

>>40625618 (OP)
>and invisible to society
why does that matter lmao
did you troon out for attention or something?

>>40625618 (OP)
because i had to when i finally had the chance; i could afford it; had insurance and disability; and my health improved enough

my life is so good now (except the pain/health and being about 50% too flat); im married to my wonderful soulmate wife; the most beautiful sexy girl in the world and she treats me like a princess and takes care of me

if i had not transitioned when i did; my 2 previous relationships (not counting the one that ruined my life and never amounted to anything); they would not have loved me and saved me and kept me safe through the nightmare i put myself through loving the wrong girl; none of those 3 could have been right for me anyways; but they cared about me and wanted me to reach my pure dreams of true love

and my prayers were answered; i made it to ultimate love; beyond anything you people will ever experience or even believe possible

i am so so so lucky and blessed

and i am so glad i never repressed or felt so bad about my appearance that i would think being happy with myself and finding the kind of love i have needed all my life was impossible

my goddess helped me through all of it; and really so did my inescapable determination to reach the girl i never should have loved; i did make it to living nearby; but she could not return what i couldnt stop feeling; it almost killed me; if a few more months had passed without me meeting my wife in jan last year youd have seen a thread here posted by my ex/bestie telling my soppy suicide story and half of you would be cheering

but that was not my fate; my magnificent goddess Ellaphae endured every single day of my heartbreak; kept my hope alive; and sent me exactly the angel i needed; one of the only people in the world who could truly pull me away from my Limerence love i was trapped in like a molten crucible

and here i lay
peacefully in my dark canopy bed
my heart bursting with infinite love for my wife

and

im exactly the transgirl i should be

)* <3

>>40626037
this is actually so inspiring & cute you look so young for ur age i hope u get to live out ur days happily

>>40625625
That's true in my case. Although I struggled with gender dysphoria/incongruence since I was a kid. Nevertheless, I deeply wanted to be a parent and have a terrific wife (despite having fantasies about being a wife myself, having a terrific husband etc). I did what I set out to do, and I transitioned partially in my 30s (although I did go on hormones for a while in my early 20s but never went through with it after some time).

So, in my case, because I wanted to have a biological child of my own and have a family.

>>40626154
How did your wife react? Did she know you planned this from the start?

>>40625618 (OP)
Gender dysphoria.
Nobody chooses to be trans.

>>40625733
isnt hsts the utilitarian one

>>40625625
The idea is to trap yourself into masculinity.

>>40626050
thankyou <3 thats why i try to share whats happened to me; i want people to know that its possible to really reach happiness still in this shitty world; even if your poor and crippled and overwhelmed by emotions

that loving is the best thing anyone can do; and in seeking real pure love and being a better kinder person you can find a path to dreams you cant imagine

please everyone; dont give up- if you have a shred of a chance to be who you need to be; take it; run for it; live for it; live to love and make everyone you touch just a little brighter

its worth the effort
holding hope is worth the effort

and there is no reward greater than being able to love yourself and know that someone else truly does too

be relentlessly what you wish others could be; maybe someone will see you; and maybe you will too; in the mirror; and in the quiet moments where you think of where youve been; and where you want to go

dont ever give up on love; and dont ever settle for something less than that
reach every height you can in yourself

theres much more to life than the brainrot of this board and the soulrot of toiling away as a gear of society; even if your forced to do that- which most of you are or will be eventually; there is still room for happiness and dreams

keep reaching for them

bless you all )*

>>40626161
I told her in the first week when we met and it looked like things would become serious that I had serious gender dysphoric feelings that had plagued me since I was about 7 years old and which continued to escalate in puberty. She responded with curiosity and said she wanted to explore this with me, although she emphasized she'd fallen in love with the man she saw in me. Since then over the years my femininity slowly emerged more and more, although I have always struggled with going outside and freely expressing myself. In the house everything is fine. Although it's gotten better, I still struggle with shame. Doesn't help that my father rejected me from a young age and that my support structure in general was always small.

I also did not really plan anything from the start, except making sure I told her (or any woman I fell in love with) early on that I have these feelings.
When I came out to her family, some of them believed I'd trapped her and they condemned me behind my back. Then she told them I told her at the start of the relationship. Of course, people are people and they usually respond with silence to the truth or if it goes against their beliefs and assumptions. So, my wife responded with love and open mindedness because she felt great attraction towards me which continues to this day, but my own family and her family are different stories.

>>40626212
In that case it's all good

>>40625629
I dress however I want. There's no reason to let random ageist bullies on the internet control me

>>40625618 (OP)
>can't comprehend transition as anything other than a way to advance their social standing
OP is a fucking consooomer. (You) transitioned because you wanted to acquire something. Social status. Acceptance. Even love are just things you want to consume more greedily and voraciously.
I transitioned because I wanted to become something. I do not care if the world rejects me for it. I must grow, because the alternative is stagnation. Stagnation is equivalent to death.
I struggle to comprehend how soulless husks like (you) see and navigate the world. Would you become a man if society rewarded you enough for it? Would you become a dog if society praised you enough for it? Would you become a slave if threatened with starvation? Disgusting.

the thing is even when you transition in your early 20s you age and next thing you know you're a 40 yo tranny.

>>40626642
idk whats stopping me from becoming a 40 year old man then

>>40625618 (OP)
>most people transition for socioeconomic reasons

>>40625618 (OP)
transition isn't about social gain, i have been a loser ever since i transitioned. i don't regret it at all because i actually want to live now

>>40625618 (OP)
gender dysphoria
I still live as a man but I feel more like myself now and can imagine a future that isn't just tv static

>>40628347
maybe you're a coward?

>>40626170
lmao, no, even if you believe in blanchstrology

>>40625838
Who said old? I was talking about middle-aged

>>40626037
You’re such a textbook example of “living your best life.” Always happy to see your posts. You bring a good energy to this dark place.

Bruh seriously

>>40628523
i just try to share a little of the brightness i have found; i cant do much but i can be decent to people and try to show that i made it through a very hard life and situation and that holding hope and not giving up can really be worth it if you just reach the right people and have a less doomer self defeating mindset

not everyone can make it; not everyone will have miracles happen for their life like i did; but also not everyone will face the health challenges i did; and not everyone is doomed to never have a chance be happy and loved

at the very least; you can always make it farther than you think; so why give up and surrender to misery so easily

the people in this place need hope and guidance; i try to give some by telling my story

>>40628422
blanchstrology says hsts troon to improve their dating pool

Wasnn't the youngest transitioner like 8? I wonder what she thinks of these younggirls or us that transitioned way later, would she be empathetic or not?

>>40628417
will you keep living like a man until you die or ease into androgyny? I will never pass as a women eveb after years of hrt, makeup, etc...so wondering if just being an androgyne is a better option into old age.

>>40629724
depends on how she is raised and what she is exposed to. If normal cis upbringing then best i can do is she becomes a terf

>>40625618 (OP)
Autogynephilia

>>40625618 (OP)
Trooned in my 30s. Didn't make me invisible. Instead somehow I got teleported back into my 20s.

>>40629791
I don't remember most of my 20's, right in the middle it becomes kind of clear but then it got so bad that it hurts even if I don't recall most of what happened.

I didn't transition when I was old, but I got old and it's fine. There's literally nothing wrong with being an old woman.

>>40625618 (OP)
because they want to be women. world shattering stuff i know

>>40629946
But like actually??

>>40629862
how is this possible

>>40625618 (OP)
>Why do older trans women troon out?

gender dysphoria

>>40625618 (OP)
>Can't believe I'm the first to say this in this thread
John, 50 is real

>>40629985
yep! it's generally preferable to be a woman of any sort than any sort of man if you have debilitating gender dysphoria

being an older woman is bad compared to a young woman but both are preferable to john, 50

>>40629994
Tons of trauma, my life went to shit right before entering my 20's, increasingly bad things kept happening to me and only lived to get through college which was also very difficult, when I finally had time for myself I had a few months of calm but then I just didn't.

>>40630268
damn:(

>>40630086
>DEBILITATING dysphoria
>waiting to transition until you're in your 30s
?

>>40630298
i don't doubt it's possible. someone like, say, caitlyn jenner had a whole celebrity life entirely hinged on her masculine presentation and grew up in a time comparatively ignorant of her struggle. "waiting" is simplifying it; even if the feeling is there it still needs to be processed properly to turn into action, and life and trauma can get in the way of that

>>40630298
>waiting
>implying I spent my life twiddling my thumbs

fuck I love pottery it seems like

>>40630298
This lol
>>40630432
No you were out living as a man apparently

>>40630481
it's possible that they weren't living as a "man", not consciously; "man" was just the default assumption because of their bodies

>>40630481
Barely, no one ever considered me one not even myself, not a woman either but something in between just trying to survive.

But I am curious, why does this seem to bother you?

>>40630506
That shit makes sense when you transition at 18 instead of 13 but 30?
>>40630622
Thats such cope. If that were true you would have no reason not to take estrogen sooner. It bothers me bc its delusional, nobody likes being lied to. Be your authentic self but dont act like youre sooo dysphoric that you couldnt help but troon out when you very obviously could have. Id have killed myself at 20 if i didnt transition. You benefitted from living as a cis adult man for a decade and then try to claim youre just as dysphoric as me? Fuck off hon

>>40630696
>benefited
So you think I had a happy and fulfilling life, interesting. It's sad how privileged people always lack empathy.

>>40630696
You are the one coping like how do you even know that you won't detransition in 2 years

>>40630298
it is kinda weird to me to think people lived full lives as men before transitioning. it's probably horrible to have to repress and put on a front for that long, and i imagine the dysphoria just keeps getting worse. this is why we need youth transition, we shouldn't have a society where these people feel like they have to torture themselves for decades

>>40630696
>transition at 18 instead of 13
not everyone is so privileged to have a supportive environment or so brave to forsake everything they know and love when they could repress and deny themselves over and over to please the ones they like (or maybe, just the ones who keep them fed). i don't directly relate to transitioning at 30 but i do relate to being scared to do what i want, to repressing my desires and compartmentalizing my feelings to save face

>>40629771
>will you keep living like a man until you die or ease into androgyny?
I've eased into being an androgynous and openly trans he/him man with boobs and it feels pretty good, but I'm in a blue state with a bunch of libbed out freaks so YMMV

>>40630720
Im not privileged for being suicidally dysphoric you agp pedo
>>40630725
Ive been on hrt for 10 and my dysphoria has not come back, why would i
>>40630776
I was kicked out by my mom for being trans. I was homeless for a few months because of it. Its been 10 years i pass and she still calls me a man when i talk to her. Im not blaming people for repressing but saying i have it so much better when my point is i had it so much worse i couldnt repress for any reason is fucking delusional. Maybe if you transition at 30 your dysphoria just isnt that bad, ok??

>>40630877
>she still calls me a man
kek tell her the AGP pedos send their regards

>>40625629
Yeah, just be a normal trans guy.

>>40630877
yeah i think that people who transition later usually have somewhat less severe dysphoria. like i trooned before i even finished male puberty i wouldn't have made it to 18 yet alone 30

>>40630877
>Maybe if you transition at 30 your dysphoria just isnt that bad
i wouldn't claim to know someone else's dysphoria. if someone claims in a largely transphobic western world to have been so scared to live authentically until 30 i really have no reason to not believe them. the logic makes sense to me.
that said your dedication to your well-being is admirable; i don't think anyone transitioning at 30 wouldn't see your story as one of bravery. but sadly not everyone is so capable of thinking 100% rationally under that kind of duress

>>40630934
I don't really see what's so brave abiut having that story and then still being a transphobick pickme

>>40630952
i think the story is brave, and i think the pickme-ish attitude is sad in its lack of empathy. im just trying to be polite and continue the dialogue

>>40625618 (OP)
Its almost like people transition because of gender dysphoria not for strategical reasons

>>40630907
Kill yourself hag
>>40630934
they act like they were helpless and victimized and could do no wrong. Cant they at least regret repressing? I cant conceive of anything in this world more important than dealing with dysphoria. Its a nightmare, how can it be "debilitating" if you can ignore it?
>>40630952
Im not transphobic youre just being retarded. I think anyone with dysphoria should transition, and even if you dont and still want to for some reason you should be able to. its just delegitimizing what dysphoria actually is to justify their decision.

>>40630972
I have a lot of empathy thats why i dont resort to shit like >>40630907
I also just have a lot of intuition and wont let myself be bullied by people who spent most of their lives as men

>>40631086
>Cant they at least regret repressing?
i'm sure most of them do. the most optimistic response you'd get is something like "the experiences in my life made me who i am". even if their life was good to them to that point i doubt many feel good about it.
>how can it be "debilitating" if you can ignore it?
things like unresolved trauma can be very corrosive in one's life while never being directly inspected. i should say as well that i don't doubt that dysphoria can be more or less intense, it just sounds like u correlate it with the validity of one's transition, especially if you are op.
>>40631134
>[i] wont let myself be bullied by people who spent most of their lives as men
do you face the scorn of these people on a regular basis for reasons other than (, as i see it,) your attitude towards them?

Ending my crash out with this. Its ok to transition after 30, people change and life is complicated. But for the love of god stop trying to make yourself out to be the victim. YOU chose to repress. YOU denied yourself the love and help you deserved. YOU did this. Instead of being bitter and jealous of anyone who doesnt engage in your self harming attitude, try to help other people avoid your mistakes. Society did you no favors, your environment probably didnt either, so change that for the better instead of demanding sympathy for YOUR bad decisions.
>>40631262
Im not op i just scoffed at the idea of "debilitating dysphoria" for a late transitioner, as one should.
i dont really interact with older transwomen often. In my experience some are wonderful people with inspiring stories and some fetishize the whole ordeal and get jealous at early transitioners for being more femme. Its bad enough to get shit from cis people but trans people do it way more often in my experience.

>>40630877
Don't really want to engage in a suffering competition, but it is so weird to me that you think repressing means I was happy being seen as a man or that I never did anything to alleviate my dysphoria.

When I was 17 I got the chance to transition, with the condition to move out of my house and live with a rich man and marry him, I didn't know him so I asked him for more time, the first thing I noticed is that he was very promiscuous and he was expecting me to just accept him and live as one of his many partners, I didn't like that at all but I continued talking to him, the idea was growing on me while I met someone else, she knew I was trying to transition but couldn't and started "helping" me dress up while I got the courage, this was almost 20 years ago so the decision wasn't as easy as these past years, I would do it almost every day and even stayed in her apartment for up to one week at a time dressed up, we started attending gay bars and it all seemed great, the guy was growing increasingly jealous, for some reason he couldn't accept that I had a friend, sadly she made a huge mistake, she tried to solve it but made all things worse, he had connections and asked him to help me, begged him, he gave me a place to go, a name to ask and paid most of it, I was extremely thankful, even if I wasn't ready yet I was willing to take his offer, well he didn't like what I did, I don't know if it hurt him or he was tired of waiting but he simply said goodbye and deleted all his accounts even closed his own forum, I tried to get back to him for years but I couldn't find him anywhere, from 19 until I was 25 I felt like I had no reason to live, to do anything, my friend on the other hand was extremely thankful so at some point when I was 22 she asked me to live with her and live en femme full time, then she got a job somewhere else when I turned 23, she was still sending me money, buying me clothes, paid the rent and often visited me, she basically kept me alive.

not trans but I respect people yolo'ing and pursuing what makes them happier even later in life.

>>40631333
"debilitating" might not have been the right word choice (i.e. literally ability depriving) but even /tttt/ canonized stories like john 50 tell us that things can be repressed as they melt ones soul from the inside.
i agree with you as far as bitterness about ones circumstances is the wrong option. i for sure know people who do this and it makes my blood boil too. at the end of the day we ought to be a united front
thank you for talking anon! have a good one

im 35 and i just went n got my patches and stuff yesterday

between being low grade miserable all the time and having liked crossdressing and such both for as long as i can remember, i figure it's worth checking to see if thats dysphoria or not

that n sex has always been uncomfy but its less uncomfy when i get to be a girl & im super horny all the time to the pt where maybe it'd be cool if the testosterone fucked off for a little bit so i could at least be girl horny instead

but yes im p sad and retarded that a) i didnt pull trigger earlier and b) i get to be awkward poor noconfidence boy for my youth and gross old lady hon monster for my later years, its extremely suboptimal

>>40631451
GL

>>40631476
thanks im scared i dint put the patch thingy on yet lol

>>40631372
All while in college, last semester I thought I had the chance to finally start transitioning, I was doing scientific research, was doing great in school so I went all in and started it diy, kept it up for a few months it was all great, then she told me she couldn't help me anymore she was saving up to become a mother and my studies were done anyway so I could work, worked for a few months while juggling all the stuff I had to handle by myself then I got a psychotic breakdown, I was totally paranoid, felt like everyone was after me, that they wanted to kill me for what I was, I couldn't handle anything anymore, going outside was unthinkable and no longer could be by myself, went back to my parent's home with the condition that I'd see a psychiatrist and I'd quit everything, I had no choice but do what they wanted thinking I'd get out of it easily.
Well I was wrong, took me years to went back to "normal" and almost a decade to return to hrt.

So yeah it's not like I was "living as a man", I was trying to survive.

>>40631372
Never said you were happy, just that you had the advantage of dodging transphobia by living as a man. If that were an option for me i probably would have taken it too, and on paper it was but dysphoria drove me to drugs and dangerous behavior to dissociate. I broke, decided if im going to die im going to die as a woman, everything else be damned. Sounds like you had a lot of support, i dont understand your point? I was selling drugs to buy food, no one was sending me money. Just admit you fucked up by not taking hrt sooner. The thing i dont understand is knowing you can get hrt and deciding not to.
>>40631386
Youre a real one, sorry if you caught a stray.
>>40631451
you would know if it was dysphoria i feel like, its pretty unmistakable. But if its what you think will make you happy then do it. You dont need a terrible mental disorder to want to transition. Save the anguish, it will not make anyone be more sympathetic, if this thread is any proof.

>>40631606
>living as a man
Did you even read what I wrote?

>>40631623
I dont understand it tbhon. Did you live as a woman fulltime without hrt? Why not just take hrt? If youre living as a woman that means you transitioned imo so youre not a late transitioner and you just got mad at nothing

>>40625618 (OP)
i did this same shit as a 5yo why is she recording herself doing it? is she stupid? you can learn that in 20 mins.

>>40631687
She's a garden variety thot who's hustling her tits on some pg-rated social media platform to funnel marks to her OF.

>>40631686
>why not just take hrt
Many reasons, one of them was that just thinking about how I lost my chance to do it sooner hurt like hell, other that I had no money for it, I barely had enough to eat and sustain my career, I wanted to finish my studies, and although I wanted it so much being able to live full time was somewhat alleviating, it wasn't until later that I knew what hrt actually did that I started actively seeking going back to it.

>>40631764
Being able to finish your studies and sustain your career are literally the advantages i was talking about. I never got that choice. Instead i was a homeless tranny selling drugs trying not to be raped

>>40631764
Also you still didnt answer my question. How would hrt affect any of that if you were already living as a woman? being a passing mtf is a lot easier than a crossdresser lol
Also hrt is incredibly cheap, you can get a lifetime supply for like $600

>>40631887
And how is that related to "benefiting from being a man"?

>>40631948
Your dissonance makes zero logical sense. You transitioned early but you didnt transition til your 30s? If you didnt need hrt to pass (cap) then youre more valid than 99.99% of us, if anything youre a man in a womans body. What do you think living as a woman means??

>>40631984
trvke

>>40631086
>>40631134
you are transphobic and I'm younger than you, you are using transphobia against late transitioners as a cope for being pushed around by cis people. We don't need to bully you you got bullied by your fucking mom, lol

>>40631941
I still don't know what you expect me to say, I was dumb and made tons of mistakes including neglecting that part, I didn't see myself as a crossdresser tho as I never considered myself a man.

Also, for me, at the time, hormones were destructive, took me a lot of years (25) to realize that I was wrong.

>>40631984
I kinda passed, yes, and no one I knew was trans at the time, and all the info on the internet was confusing so I thought that unless I had someone to pay for an endocrinologist I'd fuck it up.

>>40632009
> I thought that unless I had someone to pay for an endocrinologist I'd fuck it up
based on diyers online you're probbably right

>>40632004
Crazy thats your take but ok. Enjoy being erased by lateshit hons who "always knew" but never did anything about it. You know the implication is that you were groomed right? They think thats the difference between early and late transitioners, was that you were pushed into it and they werent. Also yeah both my parents were abusive, thanks for rubbing that in i guess. Youre so valid for that.
>>40632004
Did other people see you as a woman? Idgaf what you see yourself as, being in the closet to avoid transphobia is still benefitting from repression. If repression didnt have benefits no one would do it.

>>40628705
i like you kass

>>40630298
speaking as a 28 year old repper:
life kinda does go on even if you neet it out bc you lost the will to live, some small things keep you going

i do question myself though and wonder how have i had dysphoria for like 5-7 years more or less consciously and just done the equivalent of nothing

i think a factor is the advice that's like "take it slow, you have time" when you're young. sure here on /tttt/ everyone's like "you're a lateshit rapehon if you transition at 22" but in many other spheres the vibe is more like "okay you have to be really really sure!!! you can take it step by step!! try small things first!!!" and such

>>40632182
You are honestly so gross and self-centered acting like I should automatically want to agree with you over the late-transitioners. What does having greater dysphoria even do for you? Why is it so important? I can admit that dysphoria can be more or less intense but at the end of the day it's not quantifiable or directly comparable between people. Society actively prevents people from transitioning and people like you only seem to care about how that can serve your ego instead of changing it.

>>40632346
>i think a factor is the advice that's like "take it slow, you have time" when you're young. sure here on /tttt/ everyone's like "you're a lateshit rapehon if you transition at 22" but in many other spheres the vibe is more like "okay you have to be really really sure!!! you can take it step by step!! try small things first!!!" and such
this is how normies act about it
but then a month will pass and they expect you to pass already its weird lol

>>40632351
you dont realize how someone saying "i could live as a man for 10 years my dysphoria was soooo bad" is a problem? What is stopping them from living 20 years as a man? What is the point of them transitioning at all? If they can do it, why cant all of us? Transition is legal for the time being, the only thing stopping them was themselves. Call me names idgaf, i just think it helps no one to act like repressing is a good or understandable thing.
>>40632346
If being a woman is something youre not sure you want then youre probably not dysphoric. I dont understand how this is an abnormal take. I know i dont want to have my legs chopped off, i dont need to try a toe first to make sure. Taking hrt is not like getting srs, you can start it and if its not what you want you can just stop.

>>40630696
idk maybe some people experience it like you say, "benefitting from living as a cis adult man"
from my end it doesn't feel like that. it feels like "going along where the stream takes you bc rowing the other way has a ton of friction but going along the stream erodes you little by little by little until you realize you should've been rowing the other way"

thinking of how i benefitted:
- romantic relationships: nope. always had issues with that that prevented me from getting involved in the first place (didn't call it dysphoria at the beginning but they were always adjacent to these 'opposite gender feelings')
friendships:
- family: hiding this huge part of myself from my family for so long has made me quiet when i actually have things to say for fear of slipping, i can't have a conversation with my parents that involves more than monosyllables without starting to feel hyper selfconscious
- friends: in this case i would concede and say that i do have friends that i have kept/made thanks to being a boy/man. but in the same way i've hidden from family i've hidden from friends which affects big topics of deep discussion (everything related to romance and sex) and caps the depth of my involvement and bonding with everyone
- job: i did go to a male dominated field by following my definitely male coded interests, but i couldn't pursue them as hard as my peers in part bc i just was too distracted by personal things such as these issues that i never felt i could share with them (which also diminished the strength of the supposedly beneficial networking/camaraderie that college provides), after taking too long to finish a degree i had a period of neetdom to think about stuff, couldn't go all in into anything bc i always had these gender thoughts canceling possible paths and wondering about acceptence, timing, etc etc

>>40632474
Avoiding transphobia in the workplace is a huge privilege stop trying to underplay it. I feel like a lot of you are entitled boymoders with tech jobs.

>>40626212
>When I came out to her family, some of them believed I'd trapped her and they condemned me behind my back.
they were right

>>40632464
>you dont realize how someone saying "i could live as a man for 10 years my dysphoria was soooo bad" is a problem
Not unless you invent some strawman fake transitioner no
>What is stopping them from living 20 years as a man?
The dysphoria you are pretending like it doesn't exist or not severe..
>What is the point of them transitioning at all? If they can do it, why cant all of us?
See above. How dumb

>>40632464
>>40632534
idk i know i type too much and wasn't clear enough: i barely worked at all lol

im not even sure for what i'm arguing or why im "disagreeing" with you

i know im "privileged" for some of the things you allude to like being sustained by my parents instead of them kicking me out and selling drugs. but also, support doesn't come for free it comes with ties
i guess the job without transphobia thing is true for whoever that applies to but i'm tryna paint the picture that it's not that simple, i just couldn't hold a job for so long bc i could never give 100% out of a suffering of the same underlying kind (even if on paper i was a man and had the world handed to me)

i won't claim that my dysphoria is like your dysphoria, bc if it was i'd acted like you, but a fire that burns super hot and a fire that's a slow burn over time both get the water boiling, even if the first gets it bubbling violently and is super messy and the second one takes longer to bubble violently and can be controlled a bit more. i guess that's just what i'm trying to argue here

if it were a competition i would give you the "suffered more award" but i would put myself in the race at least. and also it's not a competition lol and i feel like the competition mindset is bad for all of us actually. i feel like there can be empathy, understanding, relating, comparing and differentiating without resorting to privilege olympics

>>40632570
Just a reminder agreeing with this post is what upset you
>>40630298
Dysphoria so bad you cant even do the one criteria of being dysphoric and instead *have* to live as a man lmao
Im off this clown board cya hons

>>40632647
Side note from a cishetfag: you're a judgemental shitcunt with no empathy. Maybe you need to suffer the same kind of powerlessness that people are trying to explain to your autistic ass for a decade or two to learn some empathy. I know I needed to. Try to not fuck up too many people until you become something less harmful.

>>40632647
cya retard go live your fishy dysphoria free life somewhere else

Because not everyone here is american you piece of shit. I had no idea trans people were even a thing untill 18yo

>>40632646
Chud talking points. I know you suffered, which is why this is so irritating to me. The culture is to put each other down to raise ourselves up its disgusting. I have no problem recognizing i was lucky enough to overcome the hurdles to transition earlier than most, but you need to recognize that you had the privilege of establishing a career and getting a degree. Thats the tradeoff. People keep putting words in my mouth because they want to hate me, think about what drives them to do that. Theyre jealous that i was more dysphoric than them, isnt that insane?

>>40632676
Youre the one calling me a judgmental shitcunt for wanting to kill myself as a teenager
>>40632707
stay bitter

>>40632647
bye bye you still haven't given a good answer tho
If the only thing that being a young transitioner did for you is give you pass to dunk on hons online, you are no better than the average phobe

>>40625618 (OP)
dysphoria won
I'd kill to not to feel like this

>>40632474
the part about self-censoring and barely being able to speak because you're afraid of slipping is so real, that's how i felt every single day before i came out

>>40632306
<3 <3 )*

>>40630298
It's what happens when you don't have luckshit puberty and also a crumb of self-awareness, preventing you from honmoding.

>>40625618 (OP)
>get rich from life of being a successful male and benefitting from patriarchy and the wage gap
>troon out and use all of your money to pay for surgeries when you've become successful enough
smarter plan than us trannies that trooned out younger and don't get to benefit from this desu....

>>40632768
I'm calling you a judgemental shitcunt with no empathy for being one, like I still am in many ways. Having suicidal dysphoria is something that usually teaches people to have empathy for others that had it, but you went down the other path. As life and the past pushes your shit in, try to develop some compassion instead. You'll do less harm, possibly even do some good, to others and yourself.

>>40635093
I assume most trannies would prefer the natural to surgeries, even at the cost of "success" (highly doubtful the years of repping will be balanced out). Unless it's already too late by the time they make the choice, but many dysphorics don't have a realistic self-perception before starting.

>>40625636
lol no

>>40632768
>stay bitter
The irony lmao

>>40626037
>disability
did you get the disability on purpose? I know you did a lot of molly in your pretrans days?

>>40626166
wdym ive literally been trying to decide whether i want to or not for the past 10 years.

>>40632464
speaking for myself my dysphoria was so strong i existed in a constant disassociated state keeping myself isolated from anything that could remind me of my body
i wouldn't call that living though, more like barely existing
and living as a man? i never identified as a man, had male interests or tried to come off as a man. other people saw my body and assumed a lot of things that were incorrect however.

>>40625618 (OP)
>married close bi girl friend at 28
>immediately came out after and offered to anull
>we work it out and plan out a pregnancy and hormones
>get gatekept for months
>Trooned out at 31
>34 now

I get to be a mom, my hair grew back, I have delightful tits now, I look more femme and can interact with women like I used to before twink death, I get to dress how I like, I get to wear jewelry and makeup like I want, I have a butt now

I dont think I could be a parent or married frankly if I didnt troon out and despite the current administration and my own issues ive run into its been 100% worth it. I lost a huge chunk of my friend group right before I trooned out during a mental health crisis, since coming out ive made a ton of friends in and out of the community

>>40629994
Dissociation.
>>40629862
Same. Towards the end of my 20s I speedran alcoholism and wound up technically homeless. Then I got my life back together, and then I trooned. Now I form memories like a normal person!

>>40638413
>Towards the end of my 20s I speedran alcoholism and wound up technically homeless. Then I got my life back together, and then I trooned. Now I form memories like a normal person!
STORY?

>>40637598
no i certainly did not

and i never had thc until late 2020 in a last effort to save myself from suicide (it worked

i got on disability in 2016 after 18mo of declining health; i was already bedridden by the pain from my ulcerative colitis by the time i finally was convinced to get disability after like my 6th or 7th hospitalization and i couldnt even make music anymore

im not allowed to take thc anymore because of my pain dr in my new state

if you think im not actually disabled; let me give you a peek of how fucked my spine really is

see how much it sticks out? if that was instead on the front of my and was breast tissue instead of fucking fractured deformed bones i wouldnt be dysphoric from being flat

it hurts so fucking much every day; im lucky to be able to sit at my desk a few hours; until last year i basically couldnt for like 8 years

just standing long enough to take a quick shower (even with my wife's help in washing my body and hair) leaves me in agony for an hour after

the last 2 months have been much worse than usual so i just asked my dr today for an increase in my pain medicine; which is now the maximum safe dose per day for hydrocodone (limited by the acetaminophen component); if i ever need more ill have to take a stronger; more dangerous medication; most of which are experiencing endless nationwide shortages the past few years because of harmful DEA policies overreacting to the "opipoid epidemic"; which legitimate and safe prescription medicines have no part in; almost all overdoses are always illegal street fentanyl; my dr offered me a fentanyl patch but i declined it scares me too much; your body gets a bit too warm one day and suddenly your absorbing it faster and you overdose; no thanks

i did not ask or choose to be fucking disabled and deformed; and especially not to be in severe pain every single day of my life and to need to take medications i have to be dependant on just to survive all the pain without wanting to die

>>40632464
>the only thing stopping them was themselves.
lol

>>40626037
You need a big dick man inside you to end all tha lesbo stuff Kassie

>>40626037
so cute needs to be held down and reminded what a dick is.

>>40625618 (OP)
Ahem:
B O O B A

>>40644276
believe me i had the chance; i dont belong with boys; regardless of size or anything else

i do not care for your monkeybrain meaningless lewd garbage; i had enough of slavery to those hormones in my 20s; thank goodness they didnt affect my appearance much

i literally had to find my own way to religion because i cant believe in a male figure and every other faith has a male figure

nothing in the universe will ever make me straight; and no one on this planet will ever be like me; atleast not until they follow my beliefs and goddess to the letter and probably go thru similar hardships to learn beyond any doubt that life is about emotional romantic love not lust or anything else; least of all what the machinery of society thinks life is about

>>40644297
i cant be held down my spine would fracture in a second; i cant event sit on my knees; you have no concept of how fragile and crippled i really am

the only way i need to be held is the gentle way my heavenly wife holds me

no soul in the universe could ever hope to make me feel what she does

>>40625618 (OP)
Midlife crisis.

>>40638405
do you wish you'd trooned out younger?

>>40625618 (OP)
Mmm those are nice

>>40645698
>monkeybrain meaningless lewd garbage
You need to be held down and pumped full of love juice that is all. Everything will be fixed and natural after.

>>40625618 (OP)
bruh this video keeps making me feral stop bumping this thread while I’m at work or even at home because been wanting to join ceramics class

>>40625618 (OP)
>doesn't even show the finished bowl
fuck you

>>40648696
are you gonna make bnuy get big fake tits like the woman in the video

It's not about being a woman but about canceling biological determinism
You're not ready for this conversation

>>40648667
you are disgusting

im married

your literally just sexually harassing me now; your a pig who doesnt deserve an insect

>>40649748
you'd be smiling like this after I finish in you. Semen creates a body between giver and receiver. this lesbianism larp is all wrong. its a cope because you can't attract a real man in real life. completely against nature. you're a cute one and deserve better.

>>40650215
nothing in the universe is better than my wife

we pray to our goddes through eachother's eyes

she is literally next to equivalent to me as the deity i worship; the goddess of the universe who shared my life of suffering and answered my prayers and brought me ultimate love through my wife; we are more than love; more than soulmates; more than sisters or anything else you could ever imagine; literal brainwashing could never pull me away from her

your lowly hypersexualized concept of human connection could never be anything to me; and you could never begin to love me enough; no one else ever could; even if you could take me back in time a few years and have the chance

trying to explain to you people what love is to me is like trying to explain nuclear physics to a toddler

you will never come close to understanding or ever reaching ultimate love because you are too sickeningly impure coomsumed with filthing grunting goonfests

i am so far above you you cant even see what i really am; because your eyes are in your pants on a vile serpent instead of connected to your heart and soul like they should be

nothing of me is larp

i will scream my infinite love until my death

and my death will be in the arms of my beloved; for she is my life and my soul; and shines the goddess's love as brightly as i do

you will simply never understand

you are
>capcha
A 8AKA

>>40650215
>>40648667
Why are all chasers and HSTS like this

>>40625618 (OP)
Being invisible and normal would be preferable. I feel like it's a complete delusion and a lie that a masculine figure is ever treated like trash, when really they're treated as the only actual people capable of anything.

The aging thing should be proof enough what a fucking lie all of the "simping" really is. It falls apart pretty quickly if you don't play along to begin with.

>>40650690
>>40650690
I would make you a filthy slut and youd be licking your lips for more dick if you were with me. Its that simple senpai.

>>40650690
I would make you a filthy slut and you'd be licking your lips for more dick if you were with me. Its that simple senpai.

>>40650215
mhmm i'd like some semen on my face rn

>>40651989
its the best anon

>>40652427
ikr - so salty and warm ugh i need my top back

>>40625618 (OP)
I really do belong on the/lgbt/ board. The fact this was supposed to be a thirst trap failed to enter my mind the first time I watched it, I was just focusing on the clay she worked on.

>>40652491
the video has literally nothing to do with working with clay anon.

>>40652491
What's your letters?

>>40651986
im a nun; i am pure and sweet and i worship love through my goddess

i would kill myself before i would degrade myself with someone disgusting like you; but that will never happen because you will never be in my presense; only my wife and people who are warm and decent to me have that blessing

if you were decent to me i would maybe even be your friend because ive been trying to make some new ones but your just a pervypig

people like you ruin it for all men

people like you harass cute and gentle girls on twitter and make them feel bad about themselves even though they are talented; beautiful; accomplished

you are nothing but a degredation to your kind

i am so tremendously grateful that i will never be anything like you; and never be treated like an object

even in the throws of my unwanted hormonal urges phase in my 20s i would not speak to anyone with such filthy vile disrespect; least of all someone i was attracted to

you are lower than the dust; and you will never have anyone even remotely approaching what i am

you have a lot to learn if you want to do more in life than goon on a board to a deformed disabled girl

if you were not such a pig i would probably be a little flattered; but you seek to degrade because your mind is twisted and corrupted by your gross urges

be better

>>40650837
>a lie that a masculine figure is ever treated like trash
true. whole premise is flawed

>>40625755
Or just become one of them HRT twink/femboy and save up for top surgery+ FFS to extend your twink/femboy warranty.

>>40625636
she keeps her self real fit. she looks better now than when she was a spring lamb

>>40625618 (OP)
can someone explain 7 seconds in. and whats her twitter

>>40659326
I'm pretty sure there was no reason for her to make that elongated phallic shape other than viewer bait