Thread 40630218

Could you accept being with someone that, despite treating you like a man from A to Z, still can't accept that you're a true male ?

>>40630218 (OP)
no and it'd probably end with a repeat of /ftmg/ history between 2 trips if you know what i mean

>>40630229

No, i do not know what you mean

Could you explain ?

>>40630218 (OP)
>sees you as a man but not as a true male
Explain what this means

it's okay if she's way out of my league

>>40630259

Treats you as a man, but is still completely aware that you're born a female and technically still is

Which, in some ways, could maybe push him to have a biaised opinion towards you

>>40630273
NO never say that king

>>40630244
it'd probably end with someone (you) beaten to a bloody pulp
not that i'd ever date or fuck a cism

>>40630273
>he can mistreat me if hes hot
lol every single ftm is just a retarded woman

>>40630301

Why ?

>>40630304
I said she are you dyslexic

>>40630280
It depends on what this "biased opinion" includes I guess

>>40630304
kill yourself ftms are only to be cherished. Theyre the real men.

>>40630313
why to which part?
the repeat of The Elliot Incident would be because i have a limited patience for transphobes and while my meds do a great job at suppressing my anger issues, i still have to actively exert self control when i'm upset enough
i have no attraction to cis men and prefer vaginas otherwise

>>40630330

Well, if you ask him to open a jar, he'll give you " the look "

Might joke about stuff like that over time

If you're getting often hysterical he might just switch back to think " Fuck, i remember it's a girl now "

You know, stuff like that

>>40630356

Well, everything

Why resort to violence

Why not liking cis men

Why just feeling as if everything has to be this way, not being open-minded

>>40630218 (OP)
>despite treating you like a man from A to Z
That's how I'd want anyone to treat me, why be more picky?
>you're a true male
I'm not, even if I thought I was and they didn't accept that the fact they respect it enough to still treat me as male is more than enough.

>>40630399

Well, as you can see, not everyone seems to share your mindset here

But don't you fear about the relationship in itself, as in, like, getting in a couple with someone exclusively because they think you're " enough of a woman " ?

>>40630387
>resorting to violence
long story
>not liking cis men
ever hear about "sexuality" chasoid? everyone hates your kind for a reason, especially when you're chasing the ones that aren't dicksexual

>>40630434

You're getting a bit rough right now, i'm just curious as to why you came to be who you are today, i'm just asking questions, chill

Could you explain to me why do you hate chasers in general ?

>>40630476
>can you explain why you hate chasers in general
trannyhater, nikols, the 5 million other ftm chasers here that are the most annoying people on the planet
also they want to have sex usually, especially vaginal sex, and often just see trans men as an easy lay and not a human being

>>40630513

I do not know the first ones sorry

As much as i can understand, why be so fatalist ?

Like, is it really impossible for you to believe a chaser ( Or just someone that happen to fall in love with a FtM ) can be a good person ?

>>40630513
>an easy lay and not a human being
i'd argue the main issue is this for sure but mainly that they see us as girls they can somehow fix with the power of PIV.
at least mtf chasers have enough common sense to not be transphobic right off the bat.

>>40630531
a chaser absolutely cannot be a good partner for a trans man by the definition of chasing, but if someone falls in love with a trans man and sees him as a man in every way, it can be a good relationship
>>40630546
true! mtf chasers are usually nowhere near as bad

>>40630546

What's PIV ?

And what about the opposite, a man that considers you a female and tries his hardest to " make you a male " ?

>>40630370
So it's just lil dumb stuff and not anything like
>you've likely experienced sexism based on your agab
>you are more likely to be stereotyped by others in a specific way that is related to your gender identity

>>40630577
penis in vagina

>>40630560

And what if it's not in " every way " ? ( Like mentioned above )

Is the relationship doomed to fail ?

If so, why do you believe this way ?

>>40630577
>what's PIV
penis-in-vagina sex
>opposite
i'm not into men so i guess i'm the wrong person to ask. but that just sounds like such a pipe dream that i never even considered it existing.

>>40630578

I don't get it sorry

Without the greentext formatting, could you be more specific, like, with examples ?

>>40630588
yes, because your relationship is built on a lie

>>40630620
gloves i love you

>>40630599

So the opposite isn't an issue to you ?

Like, a dude trying his hardest, let's say, to get you into male shit, cars, computers, sports and all, that's a " pipe dream " to you ?

>>40630620

How so ?

Like the example above : >>40630399

That's a lie to you ?

>>40630607
Facing sexism based on your assigned sex at birth... An example would be restrictions or legislation on reproductive rights access.
Others stereotyping you based on your specific gender identity... An example would be assuming you like bl or yaoi despite never seeing it before

>>40630630
thanks
>>40630658
a good 90% of trans men want to be treated and viewed exactly as a cis men. there's exceptions, but they're usually detrans fetishists or early transition.
the lie is that they're expecting to be seen as a man, and you don't see them as such.

>>40630697

Well, this " dumb stuff " you mentioned kinda falls into this category isn't it ?

It's still a form of sexism based on your agab

>>40630704

Why are they necessarily " detrans fetishists " or early transitionners ?

If a FtM says to me that they feel like that post above, are you implying they're lying ? ( Or settling for less that they actually want )

>>40630712
Sure but there serious things that I would assume a cis m partner were aware of already. Lol I don't think about jars, or hysterics? Sounds like an unserious "man". I wouldn't date that one.

>>40630765

I mean these were examples I had on hand, but i'm genuinely puzzled about the mind of the average FtM to be honest

Especially considering there seems to be a gap between different expectations and ways of thinking about relationships with cis men

>>40630434
>gloves picks on the dachshunds while avoiding the warhounds
Unfit.
>>40630588
I'm not an ftm, but I had an ftm who had a crush on me so I know how this works.

Don't sweat it, anon.
Just ask and learn everything directly from the ftm you like. Ftms are always more than welcome to explain what makes them the most confortable. I don't think you'll even need to address the issue directly: just from the overall exposition you should be able to understand what is ok to say and what is not.
The ftms from here have ptsd from the chasers that post on this board, they don't represent the general ftm population.
Ftms are way less crybabies than the ones on 4chan.
And, as per usual, just be kind and respectful.

Also, you look like someone not from these parts: chaser (or chasoid) means someone who is proactively looking for someone who is trans. Chasers see trans people as sexual objects rather than someone who they are supposed to love.
Hope this helps.

>>40630796
>Especially considering there seems to be a gap between different expectations and ways of thinking about relationships with cis men
What do you mean?

>>40630879

Well, >>40630229 and >>40630399 for example

>>40630969
Gloves doesn't date people and the second guy seems reasonable in my opinion

>>40630828

I know, i'm currently in a relationship with a FtM anyway, it's not like I was trying to date someone from 4chan lmao

It's just that I have a hard time understanding trans people in general, and some concepts still need different approaches, I'm just too curious to discuss this exclusively with my BF

As you can see, some here swear exclusively by trans partners or females, which i'm going to be very honest, is something very interesting to me

I just want to learn about this stuff, and get to know about more pieces of the puzzle

>>40631003

I have met many people like him in the past, I do not consider him to be an exception to the rule, in fact, it seems like a relatively common mindset between FtMs, from what I can read online

>>40631019
Fair enough.
I like to do that too.

Check out the /ftmg/ if you want, it's where most of them hang out on a daily basis.
The one still active is 40622611

>>40622611
Sorry forgot the thingies.

>>40631177

In not a huge fan of generals, i'm going to end up drowned up by other topics and shit, not to mention it already seems like a sensitive topic as it is, i wouldn't want to sound like i'm kicking the hornet's nest

>>40631042
I can see what gloves means, because chasers tend to have a lot of baggage. If you're still in calling doods hysterical you're probably still thinking interesting things about cis women, and cis gays, and trans women
It goes all the way down and I don't have time to dig up stumps for free. I'd be embarrassed if my cis boyfriend started stereotyping other people and I didn't catch it because I thought "ahh, he just feels that way about ONE group of people. Totally not everyone even remotely similar..."

>>40631302

I do stereotype people yes, but is it really about that ?

You don't have time to dig up stumps for free ?

What does that mean ?

>>40631343
Why are you ESL?

>>40631842

Never learned English in school, i unfortunately learned all by myself and thought it would be enough for most online interactions

>>40630513
Nta but I actually want to have anal sex with ftms

>>40631177
That general is going to shit with each new thread, especially chaser ragebait. Shame they actually take the bait instead of ignoring it, just turns the whole place into a fight fest.
>>40631971
Based.

>>40632242
>Based.
Out of curiosity, letters? I wanna know who's saying based to this

>>40630259
>>40630218 (OP)

I think the actual vocabulary would be (for this to make any real sociological sense) "seen as a transman" but not "as a man".

>>40631971
it'd be cool to power bottom an ftm with one of those stroker straps. heard mixed reviews though

>>40631971
why would a female want anal
only a poonah would suffer this retarded interaction to feel more like a homo man and less like a heterosexual/"""gay""" transman

>>40633014
why does anyone want anything man, we stopped worrying so hard about the "why" on topics like these awhile ago

straight cis male here, and I lovvvveee fucking tomboys, they are such pickme's never having been the popular girl in high school they will absolutely do anything depraved to get real cock.

>>40633462
I would rather kill myself than touch a cock

>>40633462

Most FtM's i know are either dating women or are asexual lmao

>>40632967
>seen as a transman
>not seen as a man
How is one a man but not a man

>>40633014
Anal feels pretty good even if you don't have a prostate. It's just the friction motion you feel during vaginal.

>>40633480
>>40633538

many have confessed to me they are autistic and only got horny from T

>>40630513
>and often just see trans men as an easy lay and not a human being

that's exactly how I see them, and I get so much anal sex with them it's crazy.
Somehow they think that taking it in the ass makes them more "male".
>>40631971
>Nta but I actually want to have anal sex with ftms
Heh. You go girl.

>>40633014
because women love being dominated (even if they play "im a man now" game) though they won't admit it cause the current fashion is "hurr im an independent stronk woman hurr!"

>>40635565
>>40630513

don't forget this is what 'gay' fake boys actually want! we don't have to chase them, they are so grateful to get fucked I am embarrassed for them.

No, because that person would have to be stupid.

I'd fuck someone like that, though, and I have.

>>40636587
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Expand ?

>>40630218 (OP)
Controversial opinion: I would be ok with that because I only see a "true male" as having a penis and having a "male experience"TM growing up (its kinda like being adopted into another culture even though you didnt grow up in it despite how well you blend, yknow?).
Just own it. It is what it is. If you transitioned its because you felt it was better and rewarding to your mind, despite not being fully that.

>>40630399
please be my gay boyfriend (as long as you're clean shaven and you bathe and dress like a normal person and you're fit and don't turn into an obese neckbeard with a bunch of weird piercings like most ftms)

Here's the test of if you're a "true male"
If you're a part of the patriarchy and blamed for everything wrong with society you're a true man

>"but i can be a man and not be a part of the patriarchy, i had nothing to do with that"
Welcome to 90 percent of the male population. The soldiers dying in wars, the poor, the workers, the men that because they weren't land owners weren't even allowed to vote until 40 years before women.
Yes, most men didn't have shit to do with the structures that fucked women, or fucked minorities, or even turned LGBTQ from shit that was so normal it didn't even have a title cause doing any of that was just regular ass people shit, you were normies too.
Enter Victorian era, a woman ruled most of the world at the time, (that's just a funny coincidence, religious fundies like the puritans owning most printing presses did most of this) Most modern western taboos and definitions of degeneracy didn't exist as a social etiquette till then, including the anti LGBTQ.
So, if most men weren't in charge of making the rules because they weren't lords or religious leaders, and profited from the rule of these minority of assholes as much as you profited from mean girls at highschool picking on any boys.

So come join the patriarchy!

Besides, being perceived as a man is shit anyway. And not because of the meme loneliness epidemic, that's just the latest symptom. It's because you will always be considered an active agent. Anything that happens, is your responsibility. Meaning people will think you chose everything from start to finish without emotion and that you can clean it up without help. That's isolating as fuck. Add the perception men can only be angry or fine so any expression of emotion that isn't fine makes you scary and here we are.

Cause patriarchy.

When you understand this tirade, you'll be a "true male" cause it's just a mindset

In any case, be yourself. Fuck the idea of "true man"

>>40638175

Least understandable tranny crashout

>>40637472
what am I then? I have a dick but was raised as a girl my whole life.

>>40630218 (OP)
As a flaming faggot I can generally treat ftms like dudes (testosterone does a lot who would’ve guessed, and they mostly get top surgery) but the genitals kind of fuck with me seeing them as a fully fledged dude

>>40638481
Your unwillingness to understand probably contributes more to that than you'd admit.

Especially as i summarised it at the end.

>>40638637

You don't get it for starters

I literally just said it in my thread, it's not about that, yet you barely read it and expect me to care about your own delusion

The fuck makes you think i was referring to your comments specifically? You the only person posting in this thread or something?

Sit down before you trip over your panties. Jack ass.

>>40638510
A feminine guy.

>>40630218 (OP)
I would accept it if it came from a pretty girl otherwise why would I take that?

>>40637397
>Expand?

I fucked some guy who at least tentatively IDed as straight. He had a meltdown after we had sex because he didn't expect me to seem so much like a man and he didn't know "what it means" that he really enjoyed it.

I hal-comforted him and then gracefully exited when I was sure I didn't just assault someone and it was just an identity crisis. real fucking awkward.

>>40639084
I don't get it. I understand what you said, I just mean guys mindset. Just cause he enjoyed it it he tweaked? I figure that usually happens the moment your stubble hits their lips. Was he just expecting to go into it and not enjoy himself?

Also....

I see you there.. bragging about working someone so thoroughly they question their existence. Show off.

>>40639084

I don't see the point with the original topic

>>40639297
yeah i mean in retrospect it was good for the ego. He clearly had thought I was going to be a sporty lil tomboy or something. We met over a text medium. then when he showed up he was startled but went ahead with it due to horniness. then post-nut clarity hit...

>>40640242
Yeah well, I'm envious, because who doesn't want their world rocked.
Shame the guy reacted badly. But it is his loss.

What's a good text medium these days? Asking for a friend.

>>40630218 (OP)
Yeah if she's a hot cis woman