Thread 40676611

Your brain is malleable. Sex is not.
Everyone here experienced the same thing: you were born cis, and for whatever reason, some neural pathways formed in your brain with the belief that your sex can be changed, and that your problems would be solved if you could just have been born as the opposite sex. Once you experienced this realization, your brain kept working to reinforce that pathway, and form similar ones, until eventually you managed to convince yourself that you should have been born the opposite sex. Your brain convinces yourself to go through the extremely painful process of transitioning and living as a trans person in order to appease this derelict neural pathway.
Being trans is simply a state of mind. You turned yourself into this hot mess, and you have the ability to unlearn all the dysphoria and the anxiety that comes with not being true to yourself. To find your true identity, shed the weight of your current lifestyle, and achieve self-actualization, it starts with simply accepting that being trans is not natural.
It may sound untrue, but this is because your brain has built up its defense around your current belief systems , and it wants to reject anything that threatens those beliefs. But once you realize that some basic mental fortitude is all it takes to rid yourself of the shame and agony that comes with being trans, you will find your own peace.

trans women are men

>>40676611 (OP)
i'm too lazy and retarded to read this so i'm just going to assume it's probably more of the same stupid bullshit

kek I saw this bait months ago stupid chud Ive been like this straight out da womb

Oh okay. Thanks. I'm no longer trans. I will keep growing my hair out and taking hrt. Thank you for your insight.

>>40676637
stop taking hrt

>>40676637
> I will keep growing my hair out and taking hrt
How long has it been?

If I can get one person to read this and reconsider why they chose to transition then I will go to sleep happy tonight.

>>40676656
they are too brainwashed - we have to just put them in camps and dispose of them like a fire ant infestation

>>40676611 (OP)
>Your brain is malleable. Sex is not.
Then why are testicles removable? Checkmate, atheists.

>>40676676
Jews

>>40676647
About a decade. Dont worry i don't think I'm the opposite sex and never did. Not going to stop hrt though

>>40676635
inshallah, no bump shall i post desu

>>40676656

Drop your discord. I would be willing for you to try to debate me into detransitioning if you want to. I promise to be polite and submissive.

>>40676611 (OP)
k

>>40676611 (OP)
I agree with most of this. It’s just easier for people to give into a comforting delusion than to challenge it head on. Retraining your brain takes time, discipline, and a willingness to face uncomfortable truths and that’s a much harder sell than simply reshaping your body to match the feeling. The path of least resistance will always be more appealing

whenever the dysphoria gets really bad and I start considering transitioning I end up on this board. each time I see a thread like this. it reminds me to keep ignoring it. thank you.

>>40676611 (OP)
i only feel attraction to men, if i stop hrt that does not change. i have never had the ability to feel attraction to women. i dont believe sex can be changed, but i noticed the more feminine i look and the more curvier i am the more attention i get from hot chads. the dating experiences ive had already post transition have provided me with a lot fulfillment i wouldnt have been able to experience with gay men. nothing in this world beats a hot man being chivalrous and protective over me. its been and always has been my only identity since sentience.

>>40677081
It’s ok to be a feminine male.

>>40677111
I would also be more interested in a feminine male than a trans woman

>>40676997

>It’s just easier for people to give into a comforting delusion
(I am a straight woman! Straight men date me! I am part of normal heteronormative society! Everyone assumes I am female!)

>than to challenge it head on
(fighting back against homophobia means challenging the immense social power of women - who will tell everyone not to speak to you if you disobey them)

>>40677142
> (fighting back against homophobia means challenging the immense social power of women - who will tell everyone not to speak to you if you disobey them)
You have to be 18+ to post here, sorry.

>>40676611 (OP)
I have had dysphoria and a desire to be a girl for as long as I can remember. But as a child I thought it was impossible to be a girl, I looked at girls with envy, I also hated my genitals too much. When I found out I could transition to a girl and have a vagina I instantly thought I had to do it (I didn't even know what the word trans was and that there was a community, I just knew I could transition to a woman).
I don't know who washed my head as a child, I didn't even know I could transition but I wanted to be a girl and I had dysphoria. It is true that until I was 7 years old I only had relationships with girls, but they always took care to put me in the role of "the boy".

I had a time of repression because I couldn't access hrt. I tried to be masculine, I lifted weights, I cut my hair. In the end I almost committed suicide, I couldn't live as a man.

>>40677111
the only thing i would be interested in if i stayed a gay boy would be to do masc4masc. it sucks if youre a feminine male, you only get the scraps of DL men who just want to use you for an easy lay when they dont have access to women then they block you after. how dehumanizing. at least with transition i gain more leverage over chaddier men who wouldnt have given me the time of day if i didnt have female qualities like tits, etc.

>>40677171
who brainwashed me** my head had to be washed by my mother

>>40676611 (OP)
>you were born cis
disagree lol. i don't think there's a viable social explanation tor me being trans

>>40677171
dysphoria is a lie
your problem is with gender roles
and how women are allowed to act and dress, and men are not
your genitals determine your social gender role

>>40677270
I live in a liberal city, I could be a feminine man if I wanted to and wear whatever clothes I wanted. When I was young I was a femenine "boy" (I had made the social transition but no hormones), acted feminine, had long hair, always painted nails, wore a skirt on the street or to high school, I still felt bad about my body.

I live in isolation most of the time and I still feel bad about my male characteristics. A skirt or a dress is not going to make me feel good (in fact it may make me feel bad if it causes me to see my male physical traits). I have no problem with feminine men, it's just that I would still feel bad if I were one, being a clocky trans woman I don't feel as miserable

>>40677374
liberals don't actually accept gender non conformity - they just say they do

>>40677402
I see feminine men around my city and they look very chill being that way. I wouldn't have any social problems if I were one and I could have cis hetero normative friends still

>>40676611 (OP)
okay wow I'm glad I'm not trans anymore it's just not natural.
I'm still gonna take hrt because I like how my body looks and I want to have sex with men.
I'm not gonna change my documents back to male either.
I'm not gonna get rid of the vagina either

>>40677454
you are one, you are just delusional about it

>>40677564
you will be forced off hrt soon enough (and it will be SO satisfying)

OP do your parents know that you're being a massive faggot online

>>40677569
oh rly?
I have enough to last for most of my life
are the internet police backtracing me right now to stop me?

>>40677584
>I have enough
and all of it can be seized

>>40676611 (OP)
>extremely painful process of transitioning and living as a trans person
what if I like transitioning and living as a trans person?

>>40676611 (OP)
All of this pseud shit about pathways without any discussion of why exactly this is bad could be applied to anything that op doesn’t like, “liking dark souls 2 is just a state of mind etc etc”. What is with the atrocious tourist threads today

>>40677593
nigga they can't even seize all the narcotics in a small town tf makes you think they can start busting down every tranny door and taking their hormones

literal fantasy world you're living in, you should be more concerned about rfk taking away your schizo pills

>>40677622
drugs should be legal and cheap
cross sex hormones should be the most dangerous thing you could possibly possess

>>40677626
ALL HANDS ON DECK, GUNS TO PORT, THERE SWIMS THE BIGGEST BAIT I'VE EVER SEEN

(1) i'm not reading all that
(2) that's not what the evidence shows. numerous studies show the most effective treatment for gender dysphoria to be transition

>>40677656
But what is gender dysphoria?

>>40677675
getting called out on your antisocial behavior and inventing a phrase that magically excuses you from any and all rational discussion of your actual motives

>>40676611 (OP)
>it starts with simply accepting that being trans is not natural.
nature fucking sucks and everything worthwhile that humanity has achieved has been about ripping ourselves free of its horrid grasp
when we finish doing that we're coming to free all the other organisms currently trapped in nature, too. fuck nature.

>>40677677
Tell me more about actual motives.

>>40677569
I am a trans woman. I can pass at a glance if they don't check me out, but if they do they see me as a trans woman not a feminine boy (you may think that cis people see effeminate trans women as a gay feminine man, but I don't care).

>>40676611 (OP)
Goofy ahh post

I don't feel shame for being trans, nor do I think I was "born in the wrong body" or anything like that. I very much believe I was meant to be trans. I simply want to be the most feminine version of myself that I can be because that's what makes me happy. You're overthinking this so hard OP

>>40677681
we aren't allowed to talk about that

>>40677727
You have my attention.

>>40676611 (OP)
sex=functional gonads
you produce small gametes=male
you 'produce' big gametes=female
you dont produce any=sexless
you cant change your sex to opposite rn

>>40676611 (OP)
i just want to fuck feminine twinks and fool people into thinking im a girl :p

>>40676611 (OP)

I had physical dysphorias before I ever had any concept of what being trans was, I only transitioned because it literally just cured the immense brain fog and constant depersonalization and phantom limb genital pains all caused by gender dysphoria and I'm like the third person in my family to come out as trans. There is clearly a genetic and physical component to being trans that I think cis people truly just don't want to acknowledge but this is probably no different than having diabetes or high blood pressure - it's a diagnosable physical condition that you take medication and treatments for and anyone trying to make it purely mental is being myopic

>>40678394
Congratulations, you’re a faggot and you deserve to be miserable

>>40678468
mental illnesses do tend to run in the family
phantom pain is something related to actual amputation, not "i believe i have a uterus!" unless you mean the penis you removed? that might make sense

>>40676611 (OP)
The heck you mean opposite sex? I’ve done my transition and I experience no dysphoria. I don’t plan on having kids. I live as a woman that went through menopause prematurely and that’s about the extend of it lol.

I got my balls cut off, I'm on this train forever. No amount of state of mind alterations can bring those back lol

>>40676611 (OP)
Retard, I'm more self actualized as a tranny than I ever was before. That's the whole damn point of transitioning. God I am so sick of cissoid dumbasses trying to explain our condition to us. We know, we are the ones experiencing it, not you. You don't know shit.

>>40678791
what if im not miserable

Thats basically what people said about my autism and liking girls and all their ""treatments"" amounted to was fucking dog training which left me being afraid of social interaction for life so kindly kill yourself

>>40678905
> I’ve done my transition and I experience no dysphoria.
Then why not go back?

>>40677374
>I have no problem with feminine men, it's just that I would still feel bad if I were one, being a clocky trans woman I don't feel as miserable
Why not try being a masculine man, then you wouldn’t feel miserable at all?

>>40676611 (OP)
You won't be able to gaslight your way out of the polluted water supply.

>>40676611 (OP)
>you have the ability to unlearn all the dysphoria and the anxiety that comes with not being true to yourself.
do they, though?

>>40679320
if you can learn it you can unlearn it. you were NOT born this way.

>>40679366
>if you can learn it you can unlearn it
source for this claim?
I have the distinct impression that some people just get their brains broken and then those pathways can't be unfucked.

>>40679366
Hey buddy if you learned any kind of desire why don't you go unlearn it too, don't you know it's the root of all suffering? Go adopt the Buddha nature yourself before you tell others to

>>40677610
So your problem is that OP wasn’t being transphobic and hateful enough for you?

>>40678468
It’s like diabetes in that most people who have diabetes in current year unlocked it via degenerate lifestyle, and uses the genetic cases to obfuscate their own responsibility

>>40679419
I would appreciate my transphobic hate threads to have a bit more character than “Gemini, write a poltard raid thread as if I’ve just finished reading a Richard Dawkins book”

>>40679411
i am in fact doing that, thank you.

>>40679189
Why would I want to start taking testosterone and transitioning to male? I’m not trans lol. What is the point of giving yourself gender dysphoria if you have none???

>>40679444
based

>>40679438
yikes

>>40679387
It’s hard but doable

>>40676611 (OP)
as a neuroscientist, all I can say is it sounds like you're wasting your life making up stories

>>40679464
source??

>>40676611 (OP)
>your true self is what i say it is
>sex isn't malleable

i mean shit bro if you're gonna be retarded, not know biology, and believe shit like one's "true self" exists at least not have it be based on what society conveniently expects of you like a slave cuck. programmed to serve holy shit

>>40679243
I tried it for a while and almost committed suicide because of it. I'm trying to erase that stage of my life from my head, it was horrible

>>40676611 (OP)
TOTAL chud witch trials and stake burnings

>>40680238
writing like a 20 year old does not make you look good. makes you look like a 20 year old desperate to justify his childish decisions.

>>40676611 (OP)
>not being true to yourself
>shame and agony
That sounds like a you problem.
>>40677270
This is dumb. I changed nothing about my personality or my role in society. It took me years to even lean into feminine clothes. Oddly enough that got easier as the dysphoria lifted.

Also I literally pass better as female than I ever did as male. Suck it biology.

>>40676611 (OP)
>Your brain is malleable. Sex is not.
Everyone here experienced the same thing: you were born straight, and for whatever reason, some neural pathways formed in your brain with the belief that you can find happiness with the same sex, and that your problems would be solved if you could just fulfill a female sexual role. Once you experienced this realization, your brain kept working to reinforce that pathway, and form similar ones, until eventually you managed to convince yourself that you shouldn’t seek out a mate. Your brain convinces yourself to go through the extremely worthless process of becoming an homosexual and living with a man in order to appease this derelict neural pathway. Being gay is simply a state of mind. You turned yourself into this hot mess, and you have the ability to unlearn all the erotic fixations and the depression that comes with not being true to yourself. To find your true identity, shed the weight of your current lifestyle, and achieve self-actualization, it starts with simply accepting that being gay is not natural.
It may sound untrue, but this is because your brain has built up its defense around your current belief systems, and it wants to reject anything that threatens those beliefs. But once you realize that some basic mental fortitude is all it takes to rid yourself of the shame and agony that comes with being gay, you will find your own peace.

>>40680643
fuck, i did the arrows wrong

>>40676611 (OP)
I don't have a brain so this aamakes no sense

>>40680384
I tried being a tranny for 10 years and it was horrible and I wish I could erase it from my life

>>40680643
Homosexuality is a natural variation of life. It's found in hundreds of animal species. It requires nothing to learn or to be. No intervention to exist.

Gender is a social construct. The way we dress, the mannerisms we adopt, the roles we play are all shaped by culture. Transgenderism means artificial hormones or blockers or cosmetic surgery. Gender dysphoria is an illness.

Try again.

>>40681816
>artificial hormones
Who cares? It's the same 17b-estradiol grandma's ovaries used to bake.
Some people are ill. That's why we have medicine. Nobody's over here moralizing about blood pressure pills.

>>40681816
>no intervention to exist
Except early childhood sa it seems kek

>>40682299
Ok but for mental illness like dysphoria medicine is just a temporary fix and people profit off of keeping you that way.

>>40682502
How's it temporary? I thought it was scary because PERMANENT IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE or some shit.
I was told there'd be master debaters what is this lame excuse for argument?

>>40681816
>It's found in hundreds of animal species
why do people bring up this nothingburger species as this gotcha? is that really the fundament of your worldview?
i will have you know that dogs will hump my leg and bulls will hump the vague shape of a cow (a tube) as long as there's a hole. do you get the point?

>>40676611 (OP)
Just remember, there is a difference between wanting to be a woman and believing you actually are a woman.

>>40676611 (OP)
anon respectfully when i was in kindergarten i would go to daycare and wear polyester princess dresses with the girls
i was trans before i knew what being trans was, next

>>40676611 (OP)
>Your brain is malleable.
>You turned yourself into this hot mess, and you have the ability to unlearn all the dysphoria and the anxiety that comes with not being true to yourself.
By this same logic it should be possible to anything ranging from psychoses like schizophrenia to stress disorders like PTSD.
Unless, of course, these disorders are baked into some unchangeable section of the brain, but if they are surely you'd have some source to cite that proves gender dysphoria isn't.

>>40682299
>Moralizing blood pressure pills
High blood pressure is an actual physical and measurable problem

>>40682633
>lame excuse
Temporary as in if you go off, your body tries to resume what it's supposed to do naturally like grow facial hair. Permanent as in deflated man boobs, limp dick, and no more orgasms.

>>40683875
>nothingburger
You’re missing my point. People can think past instincts and make choices, sure, but being gay doesn’t require someone to teach it to you or a doctor to create it. It just happens. No training, no surgery, no meds. That’s the difference.

>>40676611 (OP)
sex is malleable and a social construct

>>40676611 (OP)
>It's not le natural
Suck it up you fucking slave

>>40682502
>people profit off of keeping you that way.
The huge hormone industry. It's not like estrogen is dirt cheap. You have to wait months and drive for 45 minutes to get somewhere that prescribes HRT even in a blue state (my experience). Cyproterone Acetate isn't even sold in the US because no company will try to get the FDA to approve it, probably due to no market. That surely is the sign of a booming profitable healthcare grift.

>>40676611 (OP)
everyone who uses naturalism arguments is a weak faggot who maybe should go stick to a religion so at least they can be annoying sucking the cock of a concept with a name instead of some vague entity they think its based on science and common sense, as if humanity had a predetermined nature centered around a specific goal other than the vestiges of reproductive instinct and the necesity to feed oneself. You are fucking pathetic

>>40676611 (OP)
>It may sound untrue, but this is because your brain has built up its defense around your current belief systems
Wow, what an argument!
If you're gonna jerk yourself off this hard at least use a camera.

>>40677270
You're correct for some people, and the OP is overall correct but you'd be wise to know that some people have sex dysphoria. I still have malebrain but still.

I realized I was "trans" around 12 or 13 when I realized that I was disgusted with my penis. That I wanted a womb and a vagina, even if it was painful. I realized I was not attracted to gay men. That I had a deep, deep urge to attract a strong man and have children with him. It's stronger than ever now that I'm on HRT 15 years later but still.

The point is, some of us are just build different than regular neurotic brainrotted discord troons. My body, from a very young age, wanted to *breed* with a man. It's a deep bodily sensation. Anal sex is ok but doesn't quite scratch the itch unless he's a 9/10 or 10/10 who can supply incredible dick.

I remember when sex ed came at age 8 or 9, I was puzzled and looked constantly with a mirror and was convinced that I was intersex and a vagina had been sewn up upon birth. For what reason would an 8 year old be convinced of this? Beats me, call it HSTS, call it batshit crazy, I would probably agree with you. But yeah, when it comes to troons and "gender dysphorics" compared to sex dysphoria... we are not the same.

>>40681816
What you call gender does exist in other species, quite prominently so. You say gender roles is just behavior and ignore that most sexually reproducing animals display extremely different behavior repertoires. Humans are perhaps one of the least sexually dimorphic species in this regard, but it still obviously exists. The real question is why you're trying to revive dead-end mid 20th century rationalism and social constructivism. But we know why, it's to own the trannies.
If you have to turn into a moron and throw away 50-100+ years of knowledge just to beat a minority group then you have lost.

>>40686359
schizophrenia and most bipolar cases are also fake diseases that are made up either by losers or by money grubbing doctors. my aunt died because she refused to accept jesus into her heart as her lord and savior and instead CHOSE to live a life of fear and attacks from demons. she is burning in hell for all eternity. don't be like her. i did love her, emphasis on the past tense.

>>40677270
>Your genitals determine your social gender role

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read, anon. Genitals do not lock a person down to a specific aesthetic or set of behaviors. We quite literally would not exist if that were the case. We are living proof that this argument is bunk. There are averages, sure, but to insinuate that people look or act a certain way based on genitalia requires that you ignore the plethora of human evidence speaking to you in this thread.

>>40676633
yeah, pretty classic cissexist bullshit

>>40676637
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! YOU CAN'T KEEP GROWING BOOBS BECAUSE IT MAKES MY PEEPEE HARD AND I'M SUPPOSED TO BE STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

>>40688400
Why are cathfags so retarded?

>>40686695
Uncritical anti-psychiatry detected. Opinion discarded.
My body conspicuously failed male puberty and I had worse objectively measurable health markers prior to starting hormones. If consuming hormones improves my quality of life I don't see the problem.
Whatever my body was "meant" to do it was pretty terrible at, and I'm probably not better off letting it continue in any case.

>It just happens.
Yeah my doctor had to go to school to be allowed to treat my blood pressure too. Another dumb argument.