Thread 40684861

You trannies on here are pathetic. Spending all day and all night crying about your facial thirds or muh illiac crests. Brainwormed hard enough to want to kill yourself over it yet barely committing at all to this post modern sisyphean task youve burdened yourself with. Bitches out here think they can just start taking some underground underdosed hrt pills and sit back and relax till they magically pouf into another gender. Hell I don't even believe that swapping gender is a concept that holds water, but if I convinced myself that it was my number one priority, you'd bet your ass I'd use every single tool at my disposal and I'd mog the fuck out of the average chick. Working out like a bodybuilder to build an ass worth looking at and a tummy worth drooling over. Plastic surgery galore until my own mom can't clock me. Taking my treatment into my own hands instead of blindly following the advice of aloof and detached healthcare professionals. But no, the insurance jew said no to my ffs so I'm gonna kill myself instead boohoo. Take out a fucking loan, max out a credit card, go panhandle on the weekend i don't give a fuck, just stop crying about it and commit. If it's worth killing yourself over it's worth giving it every ounce of your being.

>>40684861 (OP)
shit-ass thread
>sisyphean
and stop using words you don't know how to use in proper context

i actually needed to hear this hard truth, thanks!

>>40684983
ths dumb fuck confused sisyphean and herculean, kill them

youngshit gigapassoids will never know the struggle

>>40684861 (OP)
Maybe I needed to hear this

>>40684861 (OP)
one day the real world is gonna hit you like a sack of bricks

>>40684861 (OP)
nigger you can't even open your mouth without sounding male

>>40685056
even that would sound forced and weird in this context i feel
op just wanted to use a fancy meme buzzword to feel cool and dunk on the unfortunate

>>40684983
Both can work. Here, we'll use sisyphean for you and herculean for literally everyone else <3

>>40685324
Read nigga read, i already said im not a tranner. Why would I want people to think I'm a girl? Theyre all dumb, even the smart ones.

>>40685376
yes but you still can't open your mouth without sounding male

>>40684861 (OP)
I can't pass as my gender because global culture doesn't recognize anything outside of the masc-fem continuum

>>40685356
if op wanted to validate their own point that passing is possible for anyone but The Complainers Just Don't Try Hard Enough! they would not have used the word Sisyphean (implying an impossible, unending, futile endeavor). Herculean makes more sense but if the point of the post is to encourage the reader to put in effort, using a word that implies extreme difficulty seems to me sort of self-defeating.
i pass anyways this isn't about me i just detest these kinds of posts which imply that unfortunate genes and life circumstances in general are somehow user error. not everyone is privileged enough to be able to get surgeries or go into debt to get surgeries and be okay afterwards. not everyone can even be made to pass by those surgeries. this rhetoric is ignorant and almost cruel, i think. acknowledging that sometimes life sucks and listening to people when they lament the suckage of life is the kind thing to do. not this.

>>40685520
i think the internet's made trannies obsess over passing in photos and not in real life
but if you get a reasonably fem voice, people will be willing to believe you're a weird looking woman
it's the voice

>>40684861 (OP)
i dont even know how to try...

>>40685520
>not everyone can even be made to pass by those surgeries
yeah the only way I could maybe "pass" as my gender is if there was some paradigm shift that changed how most people view gender

>>40685532
i believe this is true desu but only to a certain extent. i also believe that a passing voice is one of the things which is achieveable pretty much no matter who you are. i am not exactly the luckiest physically (nor the unluckiest) but i have a passing voice and have never (to my knowledge) been clocked.
that being said...i very much doubt that if a few things were slightly different about me, i would be passing like i do now. my shoulders are borderline impossibly broad for a woman. i have a strong brow bone (probably fixable with surgery) but the profile of the BACK of my head and neck is pretty damning. there are other aspects of my appearance which are terrible but surgically remediable, but i think what really keeps me in the green, aside from the voice, is being 5'7". my proportions at 6'3" would be pretty damning, no matter what i sounded like. i am thankful for what i have, and while i think it is good to encourage an effortful transition, i try to be sensitive to the insecurities of others. sometimes it is not the encouragement you think it is to insist that the sad tranner could be happier if only they changed the unchageable, y'know?

>>40684861 (OP)
The rib cage or thoracic cage is an endoskeletal enclosure in the thorax of most vertebrates that comprises the ribs, vertebral column and sternum, which protect the vital organs of the thoracic cavity, such as the heart, lungs and great vessels and support the shoulder girdle to form the core part of the axial skeleton.

A typical human thoracic cage consists of 12 pairs of ribs and the adjoining costal cartilages, the sternum (along with the manubrium and xiphoid process), and the 12 thoracic vertebrae articulating with the ribs. The thoracic cage also provides attachments for extrinsic skeletal muscles of the neck, upper limbs, upper abdomen and back, and together with the overlying skin and associated fascia and muscles, makes up the thoracic wall.

In tetrapods, the rib cage intrinsically holds the muscles of respiration (diaphragm, intercostal muscles, etc.) that are crucial for active inhalation and forced exhalation, and therefore has a major ventilatory function in the respiratory system.

>>40685732
i'm not a tranny, they're just my autistic special interest :)
but in all cases when i haven't been sure at first, it's hearing a male voice that made me sure

>>40685520
I chose my words carefully, and out of spite. I knew a bunch of blackpilled contrarians were gonna show up, and there's no help for those guys. Whether the task is herculean or sisyphean is up to the tranny undertaking it.
>not everyone is privileged enough to be able to get surgeries or go into debt to get surgeries and be okay afterwards.
Im gonna address this specific point because I know that a bunch of you made the same reading comprehension blunder. My post is explicitly referencing dramatic depressed trans individuals that would rather kill themselves than not pass. To them I say go, fuck yourself financally, itll be worth it. Because what's the alternative? A bath tub full of blood? or becoming a stain on some random train tracks somewhere? Telling people "tough shit lifes unfair" is the cruel take in my humble opinion, ESPECIALLY when their dreams is achievable. It's just not achievable in the way YOU like, so you tell them to not try at all.

>>40685761
only because i make a personal point of being deliberate in my speech: what gave you the idea that i thought you were trans?
>it's hearing a male voice that made me sure
i believe this; voice is pretty exclusively the tell that gives it away for me when i'm really unsure. drives me crazy when someone's got a slightly clocky face and a perfect voice because i wonder, if they really are trans, if they're then also trying to clock me for the same reasons, and we're just locked in some imperceptible psychic battle over this stupid thing which we both obviously know would make the other feel bad if they knew. feigning nonchalance. and then on top of that being pretty sure that it's literally only me who is doing this. but never really knowing.

>>40685960
nta but OP how do you suppose I as a person who is neither masc nor fem pass as my gender, or do you admit that not "anyone" can pass as "any" gender.

>>40685960
>fuck yourself financally, itll be worth it.
for how long? for how long does this prolong the bathtub full of blood, once the reality of financial ruin catches up to them? better to cope as best one can without destroying what else is left of life in the process, no? i don't want anyone to die, but i think repping on hrt is really the best choice in some cases.
and i would never tell anyone to not try. i would not tell the 6'3" tranner with my proportions, even, to not try. but i WOULD listen to them and commisserate if they felt that it were not worth it. of course you should put as much effort into your transition as will bring you happiness and self-fulfillment, but i'm not going to pelt them with platitudes about just trying a little harder if there isn't anything that "just trying" can do.

>>40686082
I would suppose that being perceived as any one gender isn't very important to you and that this thread isn't about people such as yourself. Glad that you exist, keep keeping on, but irrelevant to the discussion.

>>40686233
>I would suppose that being perceived as any one gender isn't very important to you
it is and I'd like to be perceived as my gender, the fact that I can't does not diminish this.

>>40686252
Well the misunderstanding is on you, you're acting quite elusively for some reasons. Reading back im still unsure what you're saying. Does the fact that you can't pull of your preferred gender negates the point of my thread? No, i don't think it does. The assumption goes that you're not trying hard enough. But perhaps you don't need to try any harder. I don't know you bruh

>>40686331
>Well the misunderstanding is on you, you're acting quite elusively for some reasons. Reading back im still unsure what you're saying
you personally being unsure of what I'm saying is not on me.
>Does the fact that you can't pull of your preferred gender negates the point of my thread
Yes because you say "anyone could pass as any gender" and yet I falling under the category of "anyone" cannot pass as my gender.
>The assumption goes that you're not trying hard enough
It does not matter how hard I try, if people in general only recognize "man" and "woman" or at most "masc" and "fem" then it isn't possible for me to "pass" as anything other then those two categories to those people. I could do whatever for my outward presentation but no matter what I do people are either going to recognize me as masc, fem, a combination of those two, or nothing at all.

>>40684861 (OP)
I'm 6'2.

>>40684861 (OP)
>muh iliac crests
holy shit me mentioned

>>40686064
>slightly clocky face and perfect voice
my voice isn't even perfect but this is me, i have a big chin and brow ridge and expanded facial planes but im stealth almost certainly because of the voice

>>40686510
it is more important than people realize! i say this often. i wish voice-training threads were more popular here they are my favorite and i bet a lot of friends would feel a lot better if only they could stop hating the sound of their own voices. and pass, vocally, at the very least.

>>40686657
passing and not hating your voice are different! your voice sounds a lot deeper to yourself than it actually does bc it travels through your skull. i don't sound like i pass to myself even though nobody has clocked my voice in years. could also be brainworms though

>>40684861 (OP)
Threads like this make me glad I spent 10 years femboycoping before coming out as trans because I gained the gender presentation skills necessary to not be like this