Thread 40700743

Does anyone even like men? It seems to me beauty and femininity are virtually synonyms.

I ran an experiment and created a fake lesbian dating profile. I looked through other lesbians' profiles and noticed how much more open they are. Openly sexual. Their profiles sometimes even specify their fetishes. Whereas, if you look at heterosexual women dating profile, there's just this implicit hostility, basically. No mention of sexuality whatsoever. And the profiles basically encourage men to NOT even message them: don't message if you're short, broke, etc, you have to be this, this and that to even get the privilege to message this cunt. Which is in stark contrast with how lesbian women write their profiles. They just sound so kind and open. And that is not to mention that even a fake lesbian profile very soon gets at least some attention, like at least likes, even messages occasionally. I haven't tried filling it out but I'm pretty sure if I set even the most average or below average looking woman I would still get messages whereas of course on a male profile you won't get so much as a lazy reply unless you're at least 5/10 or you better be almost model looking to get any mildly engaged reaction from them.
Then there are gays, who are also supposed to be attracted to masculinity. Yet if you scroll through profiles, e.g. on Hornet, the most popular profiles will be those of feminine men or transsexual women. By popularity, I mean things like the number of their followers. And also, the more feminine the person looks, the more likely his profile description to be kind of hostile, like, don't message me with this, don't message me with that, be at least this tall/big/etc. So, it looks like *everybody* just largely prefers women. Maybe there are small exceptions, but If you take any demographic, it will, at large, prefer femininity. Ironically, this even includes those demographics that are supposed to like men, like heterosexual women or homosexual men.

>he doesnt know
neoteny is the only objective attraction in humans.
the dynamics of mating between men and women is the dynamic between having strength and status vs women being sexually attractive.
you can figure out various things from this.
for example the modern female dating standards are caused by women gaining the right to work. etc.

>>40700743 (OP)
Human sexuality follows the rules of carnivore predation; kill the weakest in the pack for easy food. Seek the neotenous.

Trannies want to be neotenous.
Women want to be neotenous.
Even poonahs want it; being an actual overdeveloped "man" is too much damage to their desirability.

But we aren't just predators since we also protect our neotenous individuals. We're a pack animal trying to stop predation.

also the problem with lesbians is that women are retarded and genetically bipolar, and are more likely to be neurotypical which makes them boring and never genius. men can still bond easier than women can bond, and can find interests easier. brotherhood is historically acclaimed
men have an advantage. in that, if they all turn themselves into femboys: all wars will end (sexual selectivity of females causes interfighting competition throughout species) finding someone sexually compatible that you also like as a person becomes easier, divorce rates will be nonexistent, and you have the ability to both top and bottom, unlike lesbians.

>>40700743 (OP)
Dating apps are not real life, and women are more open with women and distrustful of men because bad experiences early on in their dating life are extremely common.

>>40700802
>men can still bond easier than women can bond,
This just couldn't be further from the truth. As a man, when I travel, for example, to a new city, I hardly even make a new acquaintance, let alone a long-lasting friendship. This applies to all my male friends that I know. It is in stark contrast with the women I know. Also, this is even more anecdotal, but my male friend transitioned to female and immediately began making friendships. Going parties and stuff. His/her social life lit up. Not to mention getting to bonk lesbians, while before transition being KHV.

>>40700811
As if the average man gets any attention from women in real life. If you don't get any on dating apps, you won't get any in real life. If you get it on dating apps, you will also get it in real life. Dating apps ARE real life. Not like they exist in a parallel universe or anything.
And women get lesbian attention from other women in real life too. Basically every woman with whom I had enough rapport to even discuss such subjects admitted to having been approached by women with sexual interest.

>>40700743 (OP)
80% of women are gynephilic, most men are gynephilic and pedophilic. World is gynephilic. Men try to imitate women to get even slice of the attention and love women get.

If this is indeed how I see it is. And nobody likes men. And men just therefore have it worse. Why don't loving parents encourage their children to transition if they are unlucky to be born male? I mean, what loving parent would want their child to be an unwanted piece of human garbage?

>>40700792
You cannot be neotenous if you went trough male puberty as your first puberty. Male puberty is pure anti neoteny. Poons look neotenous cause estrogen fused their bones to childline proportions. Poons on t will always look younger than cis men because of this. But you are wrong, poons hate looking young.

>>40700802
You are so wrong, shit take. Women have always found safety and friendship/love from other women.
Majority of men don't want femboys, they want females. Femboy cannot give you a family and body of a woman.

>>40700743 (OP)
>how much more open they are. Openly sexual. Their profiles sometimes even specify their fetishes.
This is hardly the different you think it is when you can easily find thousands of straight women posting their ass and tits all over dating apps and social media to get raunchy sex with 6'1 strangers. Women usually don't bother with text descriptions cause heteronormativity doesn't encourage them to develop personalities to get sex

>>40701094
wtf is this real

>>40701094
Social media ruined sluts. Reason why all crossdressers want to embody a 80s pin up girl is because women were allowed to be complete harlots at that time. These days its always some loser incel making a post a calling a woman "whore", ruining the fun for everyone. Why you think teens stopped having sex post 2010? Because of that.
In mid 00s girls were still allowed to have fun but now there is constantly someone watching that women "behave"

>>40700982
>You are so wrong, shit take. Women have always found safety and friendship/love from other women.
>beats eachother
>Majority of men don't want femboys, they want females. Femboy cannot give you a family and body of a woman.
sad cope
more men would take a femboy than women would take a masculine female. its literally historically documented
and literally 99% of gen z doesn't give a shit about femboys. just wait until artificial wombs are invented
are you a foid? bullying and gossip isn't magically nonexistent in females.
literally any survey would show more men would die for their wife or country than the other way around. when a common goal is found, the loyalty is unbreakable. you dont know jack shit, youre just coping

I mean I like dick, I think as a society we decided beauty is "feminine" while masculine is not giving a shit about your appearance. A clean shaven guy with long hair but clearly male skeleton I find appealing (and it seems like women like the same things), so ig its just a matter of most straight guys not optimizing for sex appeal

>>40701218
I've shot the shit with my friends before and the only one who could even entertain the idea of a dick chick was sort of faggy anyways, so I don't buy the "most men are bi" crap that's just because you hang out with other fags lol

>>40700743 (OP)
I fucking love men

>>40701094
That is the difference: men have to be 6'1, i.e. top 5% of male population by that filter alone, and on top of that women want perfect jawline, 0 norwood etc, further narrowing it to what, 1-2% if not less?
Whereas when it comes to other women, they are okay with the most average looking ones, even way below average fatties etc.
You can hardly call that heterosexuality. Women are basically "homoflexible": they like women and only occasionally some men on an exceptional basis.

If a non-model-looking male profile even DARES to bring up sex in the first few message, he's immediately blocked. But lesbian landwhales describe their BDSM inclinations in their profile and that's ok.

>>40701216
you are detached from reality.
>>40701218
>A clean shaven guy with long hair but clearly male skeleton I find appealing
if you're a foid that means said skeleton has to almost be abnormal with insane jawline etc.
also,
>long hair
you know male hormones don't play along with hair? balding in men is so prevalent that good hair could almost be said a feminine trait

>>40700882
>This just couldn't be further from the truth. As a man, when I travel, for example, to a new city, I hardly even make a new acquaintance, let alone a long-lasting friendship. This applies to all my male friends that I know. It is in stark contrast with the women I know. Also, this is even more anecdotal, but my male friend transitioned to female and immediately began making friendships. Going parties and stuff. His/her social life lit up. Not to mention getting to bonk lesbians, while before transition being KHV.
halo effect
men, for various unrelated reasons, compete over race or women.
but when a common goal is found, empires are form.
meanwhile, females are notorious for being snakes, and other women attest to this.
for them, they can form a quick friendship. but never a real one.
men can stay with their partners for years or even decades. this especially easier as finding an interest as common goal is easier.

>>40700927
Women are autogynephillic, not gynephillic. This is why they love big strong men

>>40701241
>you are detached from reality.
el liberal meltdown

>>40701259
Women cannot be agp. Women love watching other women get pleasured. Most porn that women watch is all lesbian porn with no male in sight

>>40701285
Women's whole sexuality is around being desired, being special, women watch lesbian porn because a lot of lesbian porn has that autogynephilic lense while most straight porn is simply gynephilic.

What women find most attractive in men is what makes them feel like the most attractive. Gay bottoms and a lot of straight trannies (some straight trannies are fembrained and thus agp though) on the other hand are genuinely just attracted to men.

>>40701216
Gay incel take. No, people are not into femboys by horde. Its also pretty telling that all the most popular femboys are trans men, not cis. Thats cause most men are actually hetero, not "pretend" hetero.

Women if they could have biological kids, would take another woman over men. Studies show that majority of women (even hetero women) find other women more sexually pleasing than men by a large margin. Only thing that men really have going on for them is bio kids.

and who cares about artificial wombs? those will be for millionares, its not the gay incel fantasy that you imagine. One good thing about artificial wombs would be that it would get rid of gay men, as female body could not develp antibodies towards y chromosome. Regular people will be having kids the free way (bio womb). And soon two xx women can have bio babies with each other anyway.

Seethe and cope, angry fag

>>40701363
No its not. You are just a pathetic man who cannot understand that women find other womens bodies visually much more appealing than male bodies. Women also watch trans men porn, one of top searches was trans scissoring. Women like literally anything but male bodies.

Women date men cause men give them protection, money and children, thats it.

>>40700802
illiterate retard

>>40701399
>Gay incel take. No, people are not into femboys by horde. Its also pretty telling that all the most popular femboys are trans men, not cis. Thats cause most men are actually hetero, not "pretend" hetero
Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that we live in a society that heavily shames male on male sex/attraction...
>Women if they could have biological kids, would take another woman over men. Studies show that majority of women (even hetero women) find other women more sexually pleasing than men by a large margin. Only thing that men really have going on for them is bio kids.
Women will betray lifetime friendship to sleep with their best friend's husbands/boyfriends. Sexually female homosexuality is more chill, but nothing makes a woman feel more alive than being the most desired/special over other women, and women just can't give that to other women (most men can't either) because of the structure we live in.

Most men are gynephilic/pedohilic because of nurture, but the best relationships are clearly between two males and the divorce rates back up that fact.
>>40701445
I'm a just a bi tranny who has eyes, you're probably a gynephillic tranny huffing on copium, Why do you think most women have rape fantasies? Women's sexuality, whether because of nature or nurture, is almost purely autogynephilic, that's why they don't like male gazey (gynephillic) porn, whether straight gay or solo, but instead love gay porn where the bottom is coveted, why yaoi is made by and for women. Women are not androphilic, but they certainly aren't gynephilic.

>>40701399
>Gay incel take. No, people are not into femboys by horde
thats not what i said? you seem low IQ.
>Its also pretty telling that all the most popular femboys are trans men, not cis. Thats cause most men are actually hetero, not "pretend" hetero.
holy fucking cope. if youre the OP you just debunked your own point btw.

>Women if they could have biological kids, would take another woman over men.
if women find eachother sexually attractive why dont they drop men and fuck eachother en masse? why do gay men do the majority of adopting?
you cant form proper relationships as well as men can to eachother, you dont have the intelligence or organization to start your own country as you never did, you cant live without men. youre just flapping your mouth and ignoring every single point and graph i use to refute you.

>Studies show that majority of women (even hetero women) find other women more sexually pleasing than men by a large margin.
a dude would be more sexually pleasing than women if he knew how to tickle my prostate and jerk me off. this doesn't refute lesbian bed death, them needing to wear strapons, and simply not having the ability to "fuck" eachother, nor even having as high of a libido.

>Only thing that men really have going on for them is bio kids.
how exactly?

>and who cares about artificial wombs? those will be for millionares
is this always what you retards are gonna say when a new technological development is made?
>its not the gay incel fantasy that you imagine.
youre not a dyke?
>Regular people will be having kids the free way (bio womb). And soon two xx women can have bio babies with each other anyway.
nigga none of this shit matters. its funny watching foids desperately ignore they have invented NOTHING. when cosmetic surgery gets invented its fucking over for the female sex (And That's A Good Thing)

>>40701528
>no argument

>>40700743 (OP)
i do!! i love men!!!! ^_^

i love it when theyre caring and gentle and whisper nice things..

auuugh!!! i wish i could stuff my face into a mans big chest while he hugs me with his strong hairy arms but im way too ugly to deserve that,,, @~@

>>40701621
Literally just long text of dumb gay incel stuff. Sorry, truth is that women don't like men, at all.

One thing I have to say cause you don't understand how stupid you are, gay men adopt, women have bio babies with their lovers. One woman can carry another womans egg and they will both be mothers. Why adopt when you can have children of your own flesh and blood u silly gay

>>40701731
>Bring a new life into potential suffering
>Take an existing life to give it the best one you can
Yeah I wonder why adopting...

>>40701787
Wanting to have your own child is the most natural desire

>>40701731
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>40701852
I don't even have a pussy. I'm happy to not be a gay man tho. Imagine putting your dick into a poop hole and kissing other men :D mmm so sexy. you guys are so nasty and its your fault that we have aids

>>40701621
>holy fucking cope. if youre the OP you just debunked your own point btw.

Whats not hetero about liking trans men (females)as a man

>>40700743 (OP)
i have also pondered something like this
pic rel, could be an explanation for why there's a stark political divide between gen z boys & girls

>>40700743 (OP)
only gay men like men

>>40700743 (OP)
>>40702279
the OP and this pic are both teetering on the edge between philisopher tier truke and unemployed schizopost. the rest of the thread is just schizo though

>>40701731
These children are not viable genetically they litterally all die prematurely or are born with severe genetic mutations that quickly kill them.
The worst part is that this phenomenon is pretty much impossible to bypass.
Scientifically we are closer to eternal life than we are to this.

>>40703074
Women carry other womens eggs in their womb all the time. A child has egg doner mother and a birth mother

>>40700743 (OP)
watch me top a fit twunk. yes ppl love men kek

>>40700743 (OP)
we live in a culture that venerates femininity, seeing it as the height of beauty, so yeah. people act like sexuality is inherent when it's more so a reflection of societal values. this is why women have pseudo-bisexuality and agp. the fact women act like this and feel like this just shows how broken our society is; men weren't ever really shown as a sexual object to them in childhood, so they never properly learnt to view men like that-- only to relate to them indirectly, through themselves as the sexual object. this can, however, change during and past puberty, but by then the damage is mostly already done, and they may not even come across media in that time where men are seen as sexual object. when women then turn to other women, it's supported by the lifelong hammering into their brains of "woman = sex object", naturalising it. from the beginning women are subjected to stimuli which is designed to stunt their sexuality and turn it fundamentally perverse. a bit like men, but with men it still has the natural orientation of object oriented love, rather than narcissism.

>>40701399
>poeple are not into femboys by the horde
HahahahhaH

>>40703226
Are people into furry by horde? Don't think so

>>40703187
Cis womencannot be agb, stopped reading at this point. Just a man pretending to know what women want cause you cannot deal with the real answer: women are sexually into other women. Pretty much all studies on female sexuality confirm it

>>40703187
Ugly moid trying to find reasons why women don't sexually desire them. There is simply nothing attractive about men

>>40703316
Stop trolling, women are into being desired, being above other women, all studies show that. They aren't into men themselves, they're into how men make them feel, how men sexualize them, aka they're definitionally androphilic. Women who are gynephilic are bros, they're the super butched. They're malebrained. Most feminine lesbians will literally cheat on their partner if a 6'2 dominant/confident guy shows them interest, bonus points if he has a gf or wife.

>>40703334
>>40703334
>>40703316
>>40704417
They're definitionally autogynephilic*
They're

>>40704417
>>40704430
>>40703334
>>40703316
And to be clear I love women and their autogynephilia, fem women are hot asf, they smell great and their skin feels great and their tatas go boing boing and I love it and I could go on

>>40703187
"we live in a society"
So apparently everybody everywhere in the whole world lives and always lived in this same society with these same standards?
Because from history, poetry, literature, I don't remember any instance of a woman devoting like art, poetry, painting or some sacrifice to a man. I know of an instance where women devoted poetry to other women occasionally. But it is always men writing about and painting women, not the other way.
>>40704417
>They aren't into men themselves, they're into how men make them feel, how men sexualize them, aka they're definitionally androphilic.
you literally wrote facts and then came to the wrong conclusion in the same sentence.

>>40700743 (OP)
When men fall over themselves to talk to you you can afford to be picky. When I post on soc or frengen I get 10x as many adds when I refer to myself as an mtf vs a femboy. And that's without posting a pic to trigger the monkey brain.
Men are usually more desperate too. Not all of them, and the better ones usually have high standards themselves, but most. That dynamic just isn't there with other women so you have to put yourself out there more. Maybe a remnant of the 'men chase, women are chased' thing.

>>40705023
>you literally wrote facts and then came to the wrong conclusion in the same sentence.

>>40703289
>im so totally not a foid even though i argue exactly like one. trust me troonies im one of you

>>40700743 (OP)
i noticed that after starting hrt, the more time went on, the more laser i did, the more fat redistribution i got and the longer my already long hair got, the more cis women liked me
hell even my female relatives are so much more affectionate to me compared to the past

you may be onto something

>>40700743 (OP)
Sorry dawg, the vast majority of women love knuckle-dragging, hairy, hulking, rough, violent, gorilla like, monstrous, burly, raging MEN who can and will pick them up and throw them across the room, splatter another dude's head open like a watermelon with a punch, and rape.
If this wasn't true, all that anti-social, completely-unnecessary-in-a-post-agriculture-world caveman stuff would have been bred out a long time ago.

>>40703226
now put this into perspective by using a non-fringe porn category like "creampie"

So what's going on with this particular bear / leather daddy / inflatable nutsuck brand of gay male sexuality? It's the only type of androphilia that feels like actual androphilia if you're comparing it to how straight men are attracted to women.

Women's "androphilia" is clearly something else entirely, and is probably distinct enough to deserve recognition as a third type of sexuality.

>>40701186
>In mid 00s girls were still allowed to have fun but now there is constantly someone watching that women "behave"
Born '93 and you're not wrong. A lack of reliable filming and social media presence meant you could go crazy at parties cause there was no "proof" the next day something ranchy happened. So girls were regularly sucking guys off for being good at Halo or being the dude with the booze. Pretty much every average guy in the 2000s got lucky at least once if he went to a party. Zoomers have no idea what they lost out on

Another issue is hypergamy from dating apps ruining young women giving the average guy a shot but that goes back into a social media issue

>>40701129
The girl? Yes. The poster? lol no

Cosplayer was Chiakifoil but she deleted everything except her tumblr. Can't imagine why

>>40704417
No, studies don't show that. Studies show that women are into other women. If women did get of imagining they are a woman and being desired and having sex with a man, they would watch straight porn, but as women are only turned on from watching other women, they watch lesbian porn. Why do women rather watch trans men with pussy than normal cis hetero men?
What pretty much all studies on female sexuality show is the heavy preference to female form no matter sexuality.

Sorry male, no woman desires you.

>>40705690
This is what men think women like, yet women never look this up when they masturbate, why is that

>>40700743 (OP)
Yes homosexuals do

>>40700743 (OP)
i like men just not the bald ones

>>40700802
>lesbians are retarded
agree we should get rid of them
But honestly no if all men became femboys there is still the danger from men from different societies. incase you are talking about androverse then you are right

holy fuck i'm so glad i'm not brainrotted like some of you, what a shit life y'all must have.

>>40711170
I want pussy not shitter sex, fags can form their own community on some island. It will be full of shit drama

>>40705690
who gave copium to ogrecels?

>>40711867
straggot or carpet muncher ?

>>40700927
93% and gynephilia is pedo

>>40701259
true but they are also visually gynephiles

>>40700939
cuz who will serve the aristocratic sex ?

>>40701094
>muh patriarchy
or they just don't like them

>>40701186
>still not wanting to admit the truth
or women just don't like men and when they no longer needed they having sex just stopped