Thread 40701239

>Indefensible position
AGP isn't real! I'm a actually a woman in a man's body!
>Defensible position
Nobody denies that AGP is real, its just that not all MTFs are AGP or HSTS.

Pick one you cowards, its not like there's anything wrong with being AGP anyways.

>>40701239 (OP)
Different people are saying these two things dumbass

>>40701239 (OP)
someone post that goomba xitter meme

>>40701239 (OP)
a single word can mean multiple things depending on context. you see this a lot with the term "gender" where it can refer to a specific person's internal identity, their presentation, or the social conventions their presentation is given context by
agp is the same here, "agp isn't real" means that ray blanchard's typology does not accurately reflect the reasons trans people transition
"nobody denies that agp is real" means that becoming aroused from the idea that you are an attractive woman is obviously a real thing that happens, as cis women do it too.

These argument terms are so ghetto

>>40701522
>control access to academia to control what academics are allowed to study
>debate and discussion move out of academia
>get mad debate terms are made accessible to the people who are now having the debates
who could have seen this coming???

>>40701566
>academia
>debate
Which one?

>>40701239 (OP)
>>40701355

AGP isn't real but trans women also aren't real women
>prove me wrong

>>40701566
People use them willy nilly and the become damn near buzzwords... It's like telling someone about how you're having a hard time with your mother and they suggest she's a narcissist with avoidant attachment and she's gaslighting you

>>40701626
thank u anon

>>40701239 (OP)
The Blanchtard Motte and Bailey
>indefensible position
GD is caused by two distinct sexual fetishes differing by sexual orientation
>defensible position
Gynephilic trannies are more likely to have AGP than non-gynephilic trannies and they also behave differently

>>40701239 (OP)
AGP actually isn't real, touch grass.

>>40701904
Then why is an imagined feminine self the target of my romantic and erotic desires?

>>40701626
>>40701355
The point is not that they literally hold both views, its that they equivocate between the two depending on context.

>>40701773
>AGP is a mutation of male heterosexuality caused by an erotic target location error in the brain and leads to the creation of a female alter-ego that eventually takes over its host
vs
>AGP is just a fetish any straight male can develop by watching porn

>>40701934
that's just being a normal woman
either all cis women are AGP and it nullifies the reason for there being a distinction between trans and cis women or it doesn't exist at all
pick one

>>40701980
This would imply that all women are homosexuals. I don't think that's true.
I do however think that a minority of women may well be AGP.

>>40701955
The first one is more or less correct, but you frame it like I'm gonna get brain-jacked by my anima.

>>40702103
>This would imply that all women are homosexuals. I don't think that's true.
Ok then, AGP isn't real.
now finally go touch grass and stop using pseudoscientific terms to dictate your opinions

>>40701945
they don't

>>40702137
You're operating from a false dichotomy.

>>40702161
You're operating on fiction, to even argue about AGP is wrong because it justifies it as a term that deserves attention.

>>40702179
Why is AGP a fiction?

>>40701239 (OP)
TV's are the third category.
transvestites / transvestic fetishists. the majority of you are tv's, not agp or hsts.

>>40702192
it's like making up a term for people who like to sit and then pretending that only one gender likes to sit while ignoring all the people of the other gender who also like to sit
I'm an SE (sitting enthusiast) and I'm not like the KE (kneeling enthusiasts) because some guy said both types exist
also kneeling is not sitting and don't get them mixed up they are opposites on the spectrum of stances
does this sound silly to you? this is what the whole AGP/HSTS sounds to people who touch grass

>>40702179
>AGP DOESNT EXIST AND IF IT DOES ITS A GOOD THING!!

>>40702243
I don't think most women are literally in love with and experience sexual desire at the concept of being female.

>>40701638
What is a woman, then? Define "woman" for me, so that we might have a proper discussion.

>>40701955
>>40702116
I made a tulpa in 2017 and by 2019 she (currently, me) took over and now I'm a tranny

>>40702311
a phenotyical expression correlated to the lack of androgenic exposure durring development.

>>40702277
but you're arguing about terms and words that don't even have meaning irl! get your head out of your ass and speak real words that have real meaning! Blanchard's typology was never real his "science" is vibes-based and purely for funsies, it has no real world applications!

>>40702319
hot

>>40702331
Blanchard's typology has helped me understand my own sexuality. To know that I'm not a regular heterosexual, and to be able to review options, it has totally changed my outlook on life.

Knowing about AGP means you're not gonna get married to someone who isn't your primary romantic/erotic target, have children, and then troon out at 50 and ruin you and your families lives.

There are also probably some AGPs who do transition, who may be better off not transitioning or partially transitioning, but they don't because they don't know they're AGP.

Hopefully in the near future, the concept of autosexuality will become integrated with the wider LGBT movement, and people understand and accept autosexuals for what they are.

To say Blanchard's typology has no real application is just wrong.

>>40702391
People say this about MBTI too btw, doesn’t make it legit

>>40702404
blanchards theory doesn't feel entirely accurate but its better than nothing

>>40702404
The difference is, MBTI basically just tells people what they already know about themselves, Blanchard's typology informs people about what they don't know about themselves.
Nontranssexual AGPs typically think they are heterosexual men with an unusual fetish, but in reality their sexual orientation is fundamentally directed inwards. Transsexual AGPs establish inaccurate and unhealthy narratives about themselves in order to seem legitimate. Both of these lead to poor life choices.

>>40702600
What's really weird to me is how AGP can still lead to a healthy monogamous relationship, like you can romantically be head over heels for someone but the sexual fun comes from appreciating yourself being sexed by them rather than their body if that makes sense.

>>40702616
I had a gf once, it didn't quite work out, but I was in love with her in a sense.
I loved being around her because it was being in a feminine sensory environment, but when it came to affection for the person, there just wasn't enough to sustain a relationship.

I don't really pursue relationships because of this, I can give room for the one I really love, the feminine self, give her space to flourish, and that would be my romance.

>>40702709
ok that's a little different from how mine works then, or you just haven't found the one yet ;)

>>40702726
>or you just haven't found the one yet ;)
Maybe, limiting myself to an autosexual relationship is financially appealing though.

>>40702391
society will never accept autosexuality, especially in trannies

>>40702763
20 years ago, you would say the same about homosexuality

>>40701239 (OP)
>giving enough of a shit about agp in 2025 that you create threads about it on /tttt/
that's pathetic my man, why are you like this?
>>40701934
>why is an imagined feminine self the target of my romantic and erotic desires?
oh, that's why...
dude, how long have you been like this? knowing who Bailey is, lurking on the board daily, this constant questioning? do you wanna still be at the same point in your life when you're 40?
most people moved on by now, you know how they did that? they realized AGP is a repression coping mechanism and started trooning OR they became regulars on /repgen/ because they can't troon.
you need to face the music and accept why you're ACTUALLY obsessed with the topic of agp - you have tranny brain disease and can't accept it

>>40703337
yeah and most of the world still doesn't accept homosexuality, they're trying to outlaw gay marriage federally in the us

>>40703854
Its hilarious that you thought "Motte and Bailey" was referring to Michael Bailey.
More to the point, AGP is one of the major causes of "tranny brain disease", but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, nor does it mean that every AGP would benefit from transition.

>>40704250
>Motte and bailey
So I googled and apparently it's some medieval fortification shit? God you're so fucking malebrained dude. Scifi trekkie troons are at least imagining a better future.
>AGP is one of the major causes of "tranny brain disease"
It's the other way around. I didn't have any sexual thoughts when I first thought "being a girl instead of a boy would be cool" at, like, age 7. Only by 12 or something did it turn into googling "boy turned into girl", which was my first vaguely erotic search, so it's a condition I had from her very start, I never had a proper male sexual identity.
>nor does it mean that every AGP would benefit from transition
in an ideal world were everyone could be made passable - yes every agp would benefit from transition because every agp is a proto tranny. But yeah, in the real world passing is a big issue obviously

You are never becoming a normal man OP, and since you're a coward who can't admit this shit to himself and actually commit to a path like HRT manmoding, you'll bebstuck in the same place in a decade, still starting pointless discussions on 4chan.
It's incredibly sad.

>>40701239 (OP)
Why are there so many threads discussing this today?I'm pretty sure the samefag posted all of them If you care so much about the stupid theories from the last century you should kys instead of coming here to bother people.
Everyone who seriously believes in psychiatry/psychology is a fucking retard such a pussy faggot kys op

>>40705480
to add to my post:
you can't argue your way out of having AGP (which is a consequence of trannybrain repression), so what's the point in these discussions? like, for you, personally, what's the plan?
you're gonna prove someone wrong about AGP in a /tttt/ thread and then you'll suddenly acquire normal hetero attraction to women and you'll be totally cool with putting your peepee in a vagooga? After that, you'll have no issues imagining being a man topping a lady, you won't have to think of being a lady who's bottoming in order to cum?
have you thought this through OP, or are you just angry because you can't accept your fate and you're spastically creating threads like this?

>>40705480
>>40705628
>So I googled and apparently it's some medieval fortification shit?
Its the Motte and Bailey fallacy, espousing one indefensible position, and when pressed on it, equivocating to a more defensible position.
People do this to push outrageous views, but not look like a fool when argued against.
>I didn't have any sexual thoughts when I first thought "being a girl instead of a boy would be cool" at, like, age 7.
I did, I experienced romantic feelings and arousal as young as 5 (as much as one can have at such a young age). Maybe you're not AGP, but I certainly am.
>You are never becoming a normal man OP
I know, I am at peace with that.
>so what's the point in these discussions?
Curiosity, I want to find the truth.

>>40706060
>I experienced romantic feelings and arousal as young as 5
you're using this as a basis for being "a normal boy" at some point in the past? or what? sorry I'm genuinely confused
>Maybe you're not AGP
I trooned late for my time (early-mid 20s), totally repped and tried my damnedest to present as a straight dude, even tried dating in high school (and through that figured out I low-key had dysphoria)- all of this while jerking it to agp shit. Most people would call that agp
>I want to find the truth
what in your opinion isn't truthful about the explanation that goes "trannybrain is something you're born with due to hormonal shenanigans in the womb, and the AGP fetishy shit is what happens when an AMAB tries to push the gender confusion out of their lives and does their best to conform to masculinity"?
this is the explanation that works for me because I no longrt have that mad envy when I see beautiful women outside that makes me almost mad, I don't really jerk it to agp shit anymore, I've been with guys and had relationships, and the stuff we do matches the fantasies I had when repping... Basically, agp stopped being a problem first when I started trooning, and then completely stopped being a problem once I started girlmoding.

>>40706267
>you're using this as a basis for being "a normal boy" at some point in the past?
Forgot to mention that it was to crossdressing/feminization, my bad.
>trannybrain is something you're born with due to hormonal shenanigans in the womb, and the AGP fetishy shit is what happens when an AMAB tries to push the gender confusion out of their lives and does their best to conform to masculinity
I believe that AGP is innate (and likely caused by genetic or prenatal hormonal factors) and leads some to becoming dysphoric.

>>40706267
to add to my post:

it's just totally bizarre to me that apparently (I may be wrong here) you have this condition where you can only feel connected to yourself sexually when you imagine having a woman's body and being engaged in sexual intercourse with a man - and instead of going "damn, I may be one of those transsexuals", you go "I'm a normal guy but I have this weird fetish that's not directly linked to being a transsexuals, but sometimes is, and I'm not a transsexual".
Like, what gives? Where are all the extra hoops you're jumping through coming from?

>>40706311
fuck, you even crossdressed as a kid. like, how deep in denial are you?
>I believe that AGP is innate (and likely caused by genetic or prenatal hormonal factors) and leads some to becoming dysphoric.
that's basically what I said but backwards, and also only SOME agp havers are trannies? I'm guessing you're saying you're not a tranny, it's just a coincidence that you crossdressed as a kid and have agp?

>>40706317
To clarify:
I believe that I have a different sexual orientation than most people (autoheterosexuality).
The idea of sexual intercourse with men is off putting to me.
I am not a transsexual because I made a subjective value judgement that transition isn't worth it. I fully admit, that flipping only a couple variables in my brain would push me to the point where it would be worth it.
>>40706330
>and also only SOME agp havers are trannies?
Only some AGPs choose to transition, therefore only some AGPs are trans.
>it's just a coincidence that you crossdressed as a kid and have agp?
I didn't willingly crossdress as a kid, I was made to by older girls.

>>40701239 (OP)
>Indefensible position
MtFs are women; Ftms are men
>Defensible position
FtMs are men; MtTs are mentally ill men

>>40703854
>>40705480
>AGP is a repression coping mechanism
If AGP is a form of cope, basically repressing so hard and so early that the only place your "transness" can come out is sexually, then the term is useful to help understand that state of being. It has value and should be discussed.

AGP, autoheterosexual, are fucking mindblowing terms to me that would have saved me a lot of relationship problems in my life. It's possible I will fully troon, I meet with an endocrinologist next month for HRT, but these terms as a tool for self understanding and self actualization are very important, even if they may not suit your circumstances specifically.

>>40706317
>>40706330
It seems you two are mostly in agreement. The big difference is that it is possible to be AGP and not need to transition, There are degrees of severity of the feeling, degrees of reality of passing, etc. I think you're looking down on AGP as a "fetish" while the other poster is trying to legitimize it as an "orientation". I think the orientation view is useful, as legitimacy would popularize the term and cause more people to better understand themselves. What do you think is the downside of viewing it as such?

>>40706376
>I am not a transsexual because I made a subjective value judgement that transition isn't worth it
that's just regular repression. Yeah, you're not trans because you're not transitioning, but you still have dysphoria, you're just deciding against repping.
Person obsessed with AGP is just a normie-ass repper, tale as old as time

>>40706659
>>40706376
>The idea of sexual intercourse with men is off putting to me.
so what are you imagining when that turns you on? What makes you agp exactly?
Is it feminization? Some process that lessens your body's masc qualities and makes you appear fem?

>>40706659
I guess you could call that repression, stretching the term a bit though. But really, the technology isn't quite good enough for me to transition and be happy. I will however say that the idea of partial transition/low dose HRT does seem somewhat appealing, but I'm not even close to being able to cross that bridge.
>>40706686
Crossdressing and inhabiting a female body. Its more about beauty than sex.

>>40706720
>I guess you could call that repression, stretching the term a bit though
no stretching required. "I have dysphoria but I decided against transitioning" is the definition of repression. Repgen is full of people who unironically say "3dpd" and want to be anime girls.
>Crossdressing and inhabiting a female body. Its more about beauty
you're one of the most classic repressor cases and you're here philosophizing like your situation is special in any way. Whatever floats your boat I guess. When I was in denial, I was looking at images of clothed women I thought looked amazing and I imagined I was them, this was my agp shit, but I also though or scenarios where I was admired for my beauty. I'm a pretty normie tranny now.

How old are you and how long have you been creating pointless threads like this on the board? Aren't you afraid you're gonna turn into John 50 since you're fully repressing, and that's what full repression leads to?

>>40701239 (OP)
something that could reasonably be described by the parts that make up the word "autogynephilia" exists
blanchard's description of it and his model of how it relates to transness is incorrect
this equivocation is the entire reason people still believe in blanchardism. without understanding what blanchard actually says, they see people say "AGP isn't real" and think they mean "no one is sexually attracted to their own femininity". since that statement is false, they assume blanchard must be correct. they don't know blanchard's actual model, so they don't know that he makes a whole bunch of more detailed claims that are false.

>>40706952
I don't feel dysphoria though?

>>40707012
>I can't penetrate women without feeling gross, I can only imagine being sexual when imagine I have a woman's body, but I'm not dysphoric
yeah, ok man, I'm gonna go, have a good rest of your life and a happy John 50, I should just filter "agp" from the board, I don't know why I keep talking with these fucking people

>>40707049
I never said that.

>>40701945
I hold both views and you can't stop me I'm gonna keep being a huge hypocrite. Try and catch me nigga