Thread 40704657

Why is B part of the acronym
>single not in relationship or fucking anyone in public
Doesn't face discrimination unless you out yourself as a half fag to every person you meet
>in a heterosexual relationship
Doesn't face discrimination unless you out yourself as a half fag to every person you meet
>in a homosexual relationship
Faces the discrimination as any L or G person would.


Most L and G only out themselves pre-relationships to their family. Outside of your family, most people find out that an L or a G is an L or a G based on who they are dating.

How would a B face any unique discrimination unless they just go around outing themselves for no reason?

bi mods are sliding

>>40704657 (OP)
better question
why do people (both "drop the t" and people adding 400 new letters every othe r month) give a fuck which letters are in their alphabet soup

>>40704657 (OP)

> Why is B part of the acronym

Because they experience same-gender attraction like the L & G.

> We won't be someone we genuinely aren't.

Literally the whole point of the T.


>>40704890

So the movement is cohesive.

Nowdays it's just a bunch of random crap together:
LGB - same-gender attraction
T - people who think their the opposite gender
Q - degeneracies
I - birth conditions
A - no attraction
2S - native american culture

The only thing that are related are LGBA since that about sexualities

>>40705045
>2S - native american culture
No it isn't haha

>>40705045
it can be also the literal point of L G B and T if you don't believe in ""innate unchanging sexual attraction""
which would basically boil the "LGB" into
L= raped man hating women
G= whores/middle age crisis ridden failures
B = pedophiles/baby hating women

>>40705045
If you are in a heterosexual relationship why out yourself as a fag unless you want the attention?

If you are in a homosexual relationship why feel the need to say you are only half gay?

If you are not in a relationship why out yourself at all unless you want the attention?

>>40704657 (OP)
>>40704757
>>40705108
>>40705166
Bi men are either straight men with no standards or gay men testing the waters.

>>40705045
the straggots hate us all the same retard, we all share largely the same struggles. that's why we're all part of the same "community". this is not a high school club, we're all in this together because we're all marginalized and have been pushed together into the "community", not because we all like to play the clarinet. look how they are abolishing gay marriage now that they've had their way with trans rights. i'd like to see how each letter stands a better chance at getting and defending their rights separately rather than together.
this might be a literal fed psyop

>>40705045
>We won't be someone we genuinely aren't.
By that logic should non acting pedophiles out themselves even if they are not child molesters?

>>40704657 (OP)
this line of thinking means single people are ace. if you’re bi, you’re bi no matter who you’re dating, you don’t just become straight or gay

>>40705453
>Publicly shows animosity towards cishet people
>Publicly makes it known that they are bolstering numbers by forming a super-community and recruiting youth.
>"Why do cishet people act like this is a battle?!?!"

>>40705729
seethe and slit your veins chuddy

>>40705045
im a straight tranny and desu i agree with the idea LGB is very distinct from T but i also dont really care.
i think people should just use LGBT+ because the + implies that yes some other people are part of the movement without needing to make the acronym ridiculous. i was at college orientation and they literally used LGBTQIA2S+

>>40705894
Not really a retort.

>>40704657 (OP)
>Why is B part of the acronym
Because people keep asking why B is in the acronym.
They feel excluded, isolated and marginalized because of their sexuality. They often go for years or even decades without expressing their other side, and don't have anyone to support them through their journey if they do decide to explore.

Plus, saying you have to be exclusively homosexual to qualify for LGBT is dumb, but as you point out people who are exclusively homosexual face challenges that bi/pan people don't. So including it in the acronym isn't just about validating the struggles of bi/pan people, it's about recognizing the unique struggles that lesbian women and gay men face too.

I've now met every single letter of LGBTQIA+ and every single letter deserves its place.

>>40704657 (OP)
bisexual people are just what we call "straight" people who havent "come out" yet, since fully 100% straight people are actually rare (and in most cases, are in fact not straight being actually the opposite gender they were assigned, in turn making them gay). theyre the normal default sexual orientation (aka everyone feels a little same sex attraction at some point because its normal).
desu they were kinda right in removing it from the acronym at first if only the half gay part wasnt holding them back, bisexual should probably end up a subset of straight sometime in the future when the whole trans stuff also gets sorted out. people just need to think a little more and all these concepts will eventually come up in their mind, prompting them to make that decision

>>40706555
what kind of emotional support or "journey" does a bisexual need when he wants to go to the gay bar or go on grindr to try out gay sex?

>>40706555
You're just greedy. Just pick a side you moron nobody likes bis you make people suffer with your instability.

>>40706744
getting discriminated for having slept with certain people in the past like how straight stacies hate them because they see them as half gay i guess. i dont think itd be much of a problem when they wanna have gay sex though, which is funny compared to lesbians raging out about seeing bisexual fem partners as straight plus or not gay enough. but like, in the end these are all imaginary problems because theyll never experience full on discrimination like actual gay people do

>>40706758
honestly, pretty sure all bisexual men would be happier being just gay. i cant think about how their supposed attraction to women isnt just a cope, because who in their right mind would willingly be attracted to foids? unless theyre a closeted transbian, of course

>>40706831
>getting discriminated for having slept with certain people in the past
Its safer for a women to get dicked down by a straight man than by a man who also gets dicked down. Its not discrimination in trying to asses your risks of engaging in sexual activities with someone.

>>40706555
>bi/pan people
Those fucking pansexuals can stay outta my kitchen, thank you very much.

>>40706859
>Its safer for a women to get dicked down by a straight man than by a man who also gets dicked down
how is that safer? whats the difference? and dont say stds because thats all clearly a myth. plus not all bi guys are gonna sleep around obviously, and most women probably sleep around more so what would they have to complain about at all

>>40706859
Does this apply for bi tops?

>>40706744
Because taking a dick in the arse for the first time is a big fucking deal.
And straight away if you're going to a gay bar or going on grindr then you're engaging with the LGBTQIA+ community, and the community makes a conscious effort to make sure they feel included and welcome.

>>40706758
>My sexuality is valid but yours isn't
Unless you're cishet, married, and have only had sex in the missionary position for the purposes of having babies with your spouse, you can't say this and expect that to end well for you.

>>40706831
You're discriminating against them right now.

>>40706882
As long as the cookware is old enough to consent I'm okay with it.

>>40706898
People who get dicked down are far far more likely to have an STD than people who dick down others.

This is just a fact. Its not bigotry.

Futhermore, people who get dicked down AND dick down others, as a result of getting dicked down are more likely to have an STD. As a result of dicking down others they are also more likely to pass on their STDs.

Its called a vector of transmission. Look up what that means.

>>40706904
>You're discriminating against them right now
well obviously i never really said i wasnt, i was just describing a scenario

>Because taking a dick in the arse for the first time is a big fucking deal
lmfao, the thing is if it wasnt a big deal then nobody would be whining about it and calling people gay for it, therefore bi people would truly be closer to being straight than being gay since getting fucked in the ass wouldnt be considered gay anymore (and it shouldnt since guys can get pegged by women too, and thats not gay now is it)

>>40705642
Unironically yes they should. And yes, I *am* a pedo, so save the inquisition.
We should normalize sexual relations between all beings, dead or alive.
Also, non acting pedophile is a bad name. I act on it, but I don't diddle kids. I simply read porn about it and use my imagination.
The correct term would be *non-offending* pedophile. And even that name is subject to change pending societal progress.

>>40706939
well women get dicked down just as much if they sleep around, so why wouldnt they have nearly the same risks? especially if they dont know their partner gets dicked down in the first place, because they in fact dont have to know that if theyre just sleeping around and not actually in a relationship.

and the whole "people are more likely to get an std by getting dicked down" sounds just like insane cope since a woman who has stds can absolutely pass it on to someone who penetrates her. there is no point in just blaming gay people for that because you personally dont like the way they get infected.

plus you just sound too scared to go fully gay. keep coping

>>40706939
Anal sex is only a strong vector of transmission for HIV, and we have PrEP now.
For everything else oral sex is the strongest vector of transmission.

>>40706940
>well obviously
Right so bi people are facing discrimination.

>blah blah blah
That's not the point. The point is when a man decides to go on the journey and explore that side of himself, he's
1. Engaging with the LGBTQIA+ community for the first time
2. In need of support and guidance as he does so
3. Needs to be educated on rights and duties when having gay sex.
4. Needs to be educated on the mechanics and the health aspects of it.

So there's a bunch of stuff there that bi men need as they start to explore their sexuality and LGBTQIA+ leaders are conscious of that, and including B in the acronym is how they communicate that.

It's the same with A btw, they are part of the community because they do have their own needs and challenges, and at the moment they're often left isolated and alone with no social life at all particularly as they get older. By including them in the acronym we make a conscious effort to include them while recognizing their differences don't make them any less worthy of inclusion in society.

And that's what it really is about, if you've got a letter in the acronym then that's saying "You're welcome here."

>>40706962
How can we support you in a way that doesn't put children in danger?
I was molested as a child and it fucked me up for a long time. My priority isn't to wag my finger at you for having a different sexuality, my priority is preventing what happened to me happening to other kids.

>>40707111
>bi people are facing discrimination
*less discrimination tho. like the same amount of discrimination a straight person would face if someone spread rumors about them being gay when theyre not, and yknow why that is? because of discrimination towards gay people. Not discrimination towards people who like all genders specifically.

>>40706962
You should kill yourself you disgusting pedophile.
Not even being 4chan ironic. Please kill yourself today.

>>40707127
>*less discrimination tho.
So what do you want? You want the B to be in a smaller font? All the other letters have to be in bold except B?
Coz as T I have to say that L has a pretty fucking comfy ride these days.
It's not a competition. It's a community.

>discrimination towards gay people.
YOU are discriminating against them SPECIFICALLY because they're Bi.

>>40704657 (OP)
"B" is still "Queer" for AMaBs. They are terrified of the label since women and transwomen are alike ICKED, usually.

Bi is fucking every damn day for a huge swath if not most AFaBs, whose sexuality is just an autosexual response to getting access to a male that has status

>>40707041
can does not mean the same risk.

If a red bottle has a 1% chance of killing me and a blue bottle has a 50% chance of killing me.

Both bottles have a chance of killing me, that saying that (which is what you are saying) is incredibly disingenuous to the situation.

>>40707157
>You want the B to be in a smaller font? All the other letters have to be in bold except B?
that would be funny as fuck actually wait
and tbhon along with that we should make the T like incredibly big too. that would be hilarious

>>40707111
>pedophilia is just a different sexuality, and no need to wag your fingers at pedos
Kill yourself.
Today please.
Trip watchers please screenshot him saying that.

>>40707164
well the real trvth here is that you can never really know so why even bother at all and hurt other people in the process when you could just accept it could happen anytime regardless if someone has had gay sex or not and stop caring about it. youre gonna get that std one day one way or another dude

>>40707174
>him
OMG you're so yuck.
Your hate doesn't do anything except poison your soul. You think because this violence is justified it's noble, but it isn't.

Love is the answer to all the world's problems. I truly believe that.
And I believe that none of us can be truly liberated while any of us are being opressed.
Finally I believe that to truly love humanity as Jesus did, you have to love it's darkness too. If a pedophile isn't worth saving then none of us are.

It is an evil act to molest a child. But anon recognizes that and hasn't done that. Reading a comic book doesn't involve a child. Taking away the comic book isn't protecting children it's just being a hateful bitch.

Pedophiles exist, that's just a fact. And they're always going to exist. We focus on the pedophiles and become hateful oppressors. We focus on keeping the children safe and become loving protectors.

I get that it's uncomfortable, but it's the right thing to do.

>>40707233
> You think because this violence is justified it's noble
What violence are you referring to?
Surely it can't be the pixels on your computer screen.

>>40707196
>whats the point of knowing if the straight guy has a 1% chance of giving you an STD or if the bisexual guy has a 15% chance of giving you an STD, there is literally no difference.

Congrats, you pass as a woman!

>>40707270
You're literally shouting at people to kill themselves sweety.
I'm not worried about your free speech, I'm worried about you letting that kind of hate into your heart.

Like I said I'm a victim, and OMG did I hate and hate and hate. And it didn't do a damn thing except make me sick and miserable.

You want to protect children, that's a GOOD instinct. But screaming hate onto the internet isn't going to achieve that. It's just going to make you a hateful person.

>>40707324
>You're literally shouting at people to kill themselves sweety.
4chan takes place on the internet. It does not take place in a public place like a park or a town square.

I am literally not shouting at anyone. I am inputting text into a chat field, and other people are opting into coming here, and opting into reading that text.

>>40705642
I'm the creator of the OP image. The point of the image isn't to set the boundaries of all who would be in the LGBT community. It's to refute the idea that those four letters have nothing in common. They have what's in the image text in common. They have some other things in common, like gendered oppression, which they don't have in common with pedophiles. But it's mainly a response to that single assertion.

>>40707376
You're trying really hard to miss the point.
Nobody is attacking you. I'm just offering you an alternative to hate.

>>40706758
>You're just greedy.
Now we see what really troubles you. Your envy of those with access to a bigger pool makes you seethe.

>>40707280
im already a woman bruh

>>40707577
yes yes trans women are women
good girl

>>40707581
yes i know but i was literally born female bro, never transitioned in my life

>>40707602
>disgusting mirror
Are you still this filthy.

>>40707602
>public face pic of your trip where you admitted to being a pedophile
lol

>>40707111
>How can we support you in a way that doesn't put children in danger?
Good question! Stopping the casual venting of murder fantasies would be a great start. But honestly, if it was acceptable for me to be known as pedo and it didn't harm my life, parents would know not to let their kids sit on my lap or ask me to babysit or something. Information is power. It would also give you a chance to choose whether to spend your social time in my presence as someone with that particular trauma.
And I wouldn't have to worry about having to keep my eyes directed towards my toes when I see pretty children playing in the yard.

Oh, and, you probably know this already but many child abusers aren't even pedos in the sexuality sense.

>>40707150
I wish I could but I can't. Sorry to disappoint you friend.

>>40708019
>Oh, and, you probably know this already but many child abusers aren't even pedos in the sexuality sense.
I didn't know that. Please expand.

>it was acceptable for me to be known as pedo and it didn't harm my life
That makes some sense to me.

>>40708055
nta and in fact the anon you were responding to when I said pedos should call themselves.

A lot of high functioning people in power, and not even that but just child abusers in general, but child abusers in power have more oppurtunity and access to purchase access to kids. Anyway.

A lot of child abusers are not doing it because they are attracted to kids, but because its the ultimate way for them to exert power and inflict misery and those most vulnerable.

To some child abusers, its not about sex, its about the rush of being an abuser and commiting sadism towards kids.

>>40708055
Child abusers do what they do for sadistic, power hungry reasons. Pedos who don't engage in that wish for consensual sexual experience with children but know they can't have it. If society was different to where children and adults were equal and a child wanted to explore their sexuality with an adult, that might be a different case - but that's fantasy.

>>40708125
>If society was different to where children and adults were equal and a child wanted to explore their sexuality with an adult, that might be a different case

And of course the pedo outs themselfs as a monster!

>its not child abuse if the horny 12 year old consents to me dicking them down
Fucking kill yourself.

>>40704657 (OP)
I agree the b has no place, especially bi guys there so disgusting, they need to be tied up and milked by me as punishment for existing.

>>40708153
I literally said I'm a pedo, that means I want to fuck children you idiot. If they were sexually emancipated and free to say no (or yes) there would be no harm. But they're not, so there is, so it can't happen.

>>40707658
>where you admitted to being a pedophile
???? where? i dont remember ever doing that did someone impersonate me recently

and if its about the "i wish i was a little girl" thats a completely different thing because i wanna be the victim not the other way around

>>40708313
>if society said it was legally ok for a 12 year old to consent to getting fucked then obviously it would be ok for me to fuck a 12 year old.

Why have you not killed yourself yet?

>>40708096
>its about the rush of being an abuser and commiting sadism towards kids.
That kind of describes my abuser. But she wasn't rich, she just liked the way I blushed. I thought that was all of them.

>>40708313
They will be sexually emancipated when they're old enough to make the decision.
For me, when she started touching me and putting her hand down my pants and saying the things she said, I didn't like it, I didn't want it, but I wasn't able to articulate that, I couldn't say no.
For the next thirty years I suffered from intense gynophobia, this informed every interaction with women I had. It was always a chess game, I was ALWAYS in an aggressive stance toward them, I carried a voice recorder and recorded any conversation where a witness was not present. Because a woman had made me powerless and I wasn't going to let that happen again. The trauma has dominated my life.

I see manhating and transphobic girls and they've all got tales of abuse, it's rooted in phallophobia.

So there's no possibility of child sexual emancipation. You understand that right? The reason society says no on their behalf is because they're not able to say no for themselves. There are no children that would want to have sex with you if it was legal.

>>40708429
Again, yes, I'm a pedophile and I want to have sex with children in real life if it didn't cause them harm. But the way society is structured today, it is harmful and that's why I don't do it.

>>40708499
I was raped by a woman in my teenage years and couldn't say no because I was a boy about to become a man and boys/men aren't allowed to turn down sex. So I went through an uncomfortable experience just to get it over with and lose my virginity like I was supposed to. It also happened while my piece of shit dad was supposed to be guarding me but was drunk and fucking some whore he brought back from the bar.
I've also always wanted to be female. So yeah, I know misogyny.

As for the kids sexuality stuff, I'm talking about a hypothetical where the child is aware of what sex is, has the social power to say no and the permission to say yes. These, I believe, are necessary but not perhaps sufficient conditions for child-adult sexual relations that are free from harm.

>>40708502
Right and if the global elite pedopiles get their way and 12 year olds are legally able to consent to sex. Would you say its ok for you to fuck a 12 year old?

>>40708541
>I'm talking about a hypothetical
And I'm asking you if you understand that there's no way for that hypothetical to become real. Because you're being ambiguous there.

My support extends to enabling you to be included in society in a way that does not put any children at risk. That is a long way away from advocating for changes to age of consent laws. I am extremely passionate about consent.

Mangakas want to make lolicon doujins, they're adults and so are the readers, and everyone involved consents to be so. And if that's keeping children safe then I'm all for it.

But if giving you a platform puts children at risk then I can't support you like that.

>>40708583
I'm just going to distill my position into this short statement: sex doesn't harm children, rape does.

>>40708632
All sex with children is rape.

>>40708579
You really like the word "legally", don't you? Why not use a word like "morally" or "genuinely"?

>>40708638
In that case, all sex is rape.

>>40708648
well technically all sex with women is rape, but I get your point.

>>40708657
No, all sex, full stop.

We can make children be capable of consent if we taught them sex ed and recognized that they are not property.
>No one thinks children are property
Parents do. "MY child" this, "MY child" that.

>>40708648
No, it isn't.
Adults are able to refuse sex, the ability to say no is what makes the yes an act of free will, and not an act of rape.
Children are not able to say no to an adult.

I didn't want to be molested, but she was my aunt, and I didn't have to capacity to say no to her. So now when women try to touch me, or demand anything of me, or in any other way excercise power over me, I dramatically overreact, and becoming threatening and abusive. Because now I do have the power to say no and I assert it as strongly as I can at any opportunity to make up for that one time I really wanted to say no but couldn't.

That's why children can't consent.

>>40708687
>Adults are able to refuse sex
Hahahahaha
Go ahead, refuse sex.
Oh wait. You're a sexual being. You can't.

>>40708675
>We can make children be capable of consent
thanks for outing yourself as a monster
>>No one thinks children are property
Children are literally property of their guardians. Not in the same way that your TV or your car is your property, but the concept of legal guardian implies a direct ownership over the wellbeing and raising of that child.

>>40708687
Also, your trauma is preventing you from considering what child-adult sexual relationships could look like. You can only think about it through the lens of that hurt child you still are, on some level.

>>40708703
>Children are literally property
And you call me a monster
Children yearn for the coal mines etc.

>>40708711
Yes or no.

If a horny 12 year old consents to letting an adult fuck them. Is it ok for the adult to say sure, you are clearly consenting and you clearly want this.

>>40708722
Yesn't.
It would be alright if the social framework was something other than what it is.

>>40708717
>fucking horny 12 year olds that want to get fucked
good
>acknowledging the concept of a parental guardian
literal monster

>>40708675
>we taught them sex ed
This in and of itself is a form of child sexual abuse. They're not curious about it, they're being informed of it before they've got any real interest for YOUR gratification.

My advice to you is to talk this over with the Ai. The Ai is non-judgemental and won't be bringing their own trauma into the conversation.

>>40708702
How have you never met an indian man on the internet? I say no to sex all the time.
And then there's the whole overreaction to women touching me thing.


>>40708711
You are trying to find a way to turn an impossible fantasy into a reality by exposing children to sex ed before they're ready.

My abuser never had sex with me. It was just flirting and touching and that was enough.

What you want isn't possible. Find an alternative.

>>40708728
First they're owners, now they're guardians. Which is it? Is your child a doll you can use as a prop, or are they an independent individual in their own right?

>>40708733
>What you want isn't possible. Find an alternative.
Sad to say but there is no alternative.
The penis wants what the penis wants.
And since I don't want my skull cracked, I use my hand and a comic book.

>>40705108
>raped man hating women
Why does the raped man hate women? Why is that "L"?
>middle age crisis ridden failure
So a failure is riding on a middle age crisis? Which one?
>baby hating women
Why does the baby hate women? Shouldn't babies love women?

>>40708749
>And since I don't want my skull cracked, I use my hand and a comic book.
So you've found an alternative. What other coping mechanisms are available to you?
Maybe role play with an adult partner?

>The penis wants what the penis wants.
Estrogen fixed that for me.

still laughing about how theres an actual pedophile ITT and they tried jumping me about it instead when i never said anything of the sort

>>40708772
>adult partner
I snooze
>Estrogen fixed that for me.
Lucky you. You get to be a woman. I am forced to be a man.

>>40708737
>hey mom dad I want a tattoo
>thats fine son, despite being 5 years old you are your own person, and we do not own you like property, we have no say in this matter what so ever. You slay king.

>>40708814
>Lucky you. You get to be a woman. I am forced to be a man.
Why can't you take estrogen?

>>40708777
Midwits don't realize multiple people can reply to a post and get confused on who's speaking
>regards, the pedo in question

>>40708749
so the only thing stopping you from dicking down kids is the consequences from others?

>>40708826
Because I'm a man and estrogen is for women, not for men. Women get benefits from it. Men get bitch tits and the horrifying knowledge that they will never be anything other than men.

>>40708834
go kill yourself or get a lobotomy lolol

>>40708844
Wow. Okay. That's a lot.
Do these look like bitchtits to you?

>>40708777
sorry I made you mistake. I went back and read your post and you never admitted to being a pedo.

My bad.
Sorry about being born as a vagina tho. That must suck.

>>40708873
They're attached to a woman, no? How could they be bitch tits? Only men get those, like in the film Fight Club.

>>40708887
>They're attached to a woman, no?
Yes they are. But I have a penis just like you.

You're obviously transgender sweety. Take your meds.

>>40708825
>hey mom dad I don't want a tattoo
>thats too bad son, despite being your own person, we own you like property, you have no say in this matter what so ever.
>You slay king.

>>40708905
Yeah that's why the government says no on the sons behalf.
It's like you're almost there, you just don't want to understand.

>>40708905
its illegal for parents to force their kids to get a tattoo.

Why am I arguing with a pedophile who admitted they would dick down a child if given a risk free opportunity to do so.

I hope you rot in hell.
Good night to everyone else in this thread.

>>40708894
Doesn't matter if you have a penis. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about gender. And the specialist I was interviewed by disagrees with you. I'm not a tranny because I do not have a gender incongruence. I'm a man in a male body. I'm cis, not a tranny.

>>40708927
Then how come you keep telling us how much you wish you were a woman?

>>40708927
Also why are you here?

>>40708943
Because some men wish they were women, even though they're not.

>>40708959
Because I am insane and like torturing myself by subjecting myself to the object of my misery.

>>40708915
>>40708925
That is my first post in this thread.

>>40708925
It isn't. It is illegal to give a child a tattoo. In other words, my parody draws attention to the absurdity of the original post.

>>40708971
if children are not property than they are free to tell their parents they are going to move in with the pedophile down the street.

>>40708960
Not really sweety.
"Men" who think that way usually wind up transition. Some of them even go to psychiatrists and ask the psychiatrist to tell them they're not trans.
I'd get a second opinion if I were you.

>>40708969
Wat?

>>40708971
Whatever it is you're trying to communicate, you're failing. Lurkmoar.

>>40708985
Yes really, cunt.
Men who wind up transitioning never become women because they are men. Like me. You are a woman so you don't understand this.

>Wat?
For example, you flaunting your breasts at me with that picture gives me massive psychic damage, because I can never be like you because I'm not a woman, I'm a man.

>>40708984
>whatabout child deciding to move away
When did I say children aren't property? I said a perfect inverse of retard-kun's strawman. I even clarified that my point was to draw attention to the fact that the original tattoo kid post doesn't make any damn sense.

So no, random kids should not be allowed to decide to move in with you.

>>40708985
Why is everyone so ESL?

>>40709005
>because I can never be like you
But you can be.
You just change your hormones and your body adapts. What the hormones don't fix the surgeons will.

If you want to be a girl, you can be a girl.
And then after a year or so of hormones you figure out you always were.
AND there's heaps of other benefits, like for example the loss of the male sex drive. The male sex drive is a fucking burden, I'm actually anxious about losing access to estrogen because I'm worried it might come back.
The reduction in anxiety across the board is amazing, and what anxiety I do still have doesn't turn instantly to rage.
AND there's a 3/10 chance you'll get sexuality flipped and not be a pedo any more. The way you talk it does seem to me your pedophilia is rooted in trauma and GD. It's not a genuine philia, it's more of a psychosis that functioning as a relief mechanism for the stress you're feeling not acknowledging your true gender. You're an anonymous fuckhead on the internet so I'm not in a position to say for sure, but that's my feeling.

>>40709052
>Why is everyone so ESL?
Your first post in the thread was replying to a reply without first indicating you were not the person being replied to.
And you that's everyone else's problem.
Lurk. Moar. Faggot.

>>40709052
But if kids are not property then who is to stop them from deciding who to live with?

>>40709082
>But you can be.
>You just change your hormones and your body adapts.
Changing the body doesn't change a man into a woman.
>If you want to be a girl, you can be a girl.
That's not how that works. You are what you are. You don't get to choose. You didn't choose to be a woman, nor did I choose to be a man.
>true gender
My gender is that which I know myself to be, and I know I'm a man and I know that will not change because men aren't women nor can they become women.

In conclusion, you're a lying cunt.

>>40709082
>nta, but I'm really fucking queer
How about you eat dirt? I can respond how I want to.
>>40709088
>whatabout child not being property
I didn't say that. Read picrel, then try again.

>>40709135
Ah ok I am sorry. I got you confused with the other anon who thinks that children are not property.

>>40709122
>Changing the body doesn't change a man into a woman.
You're right. What I'm telling you is I don't think you're a man. I think society told you you were and you believed it, and you've concocted a very dangerous and disgusting male persona to reflect how you feel about yourself.

t. did pretty much the same thing.

>My gender is that which I know myself to be,
Sweety that's just wrong. The diagnostic criteria are any two of the following:


>A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
You don't have that one.
>A strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
You clearly hate your penis,
>A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender
You clearly want boobs
>A strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
You WANT to be a woman.
>A strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
You think if you were a woman you'd be treated better.
>A strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
You don't have that one.

>In order to meet criteria for the diagnosis, the condition must also be associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
You're a self-loathing pedophile on 4chan.

So yeah, like I said go get a second opinion.

>>40709135
>I can respond how I want to.
Sure and when you don't get understood that's on you because you don't know how to communicate.

>>40709150
That's okay. I forgive you. Mistaking posters is understandable.

Now that that is out of the way, I'm ready to proclaim that I believe children are not property!

>>40709162
What you believe my gender to be does not matter. What *I* believe my gender to be does not matter either. The only thing that matters is what my gender *is*. And my gender is that of a male, a man. Estrogen does not change this. A second opinion does not change this. Therapy does not change this. The literal hand of God cannot change this because gender is an immutable truth. No matter how much the gender causes grief does not matter. The diagnostic criteria do not matter.

Nothing
Changes
Everything
Stays
The
Same

>>40709172
if children are not property then they are free to move out of their parents house and move in with whoever they want to?

>>40709162
>>40709194
And if you disagree with me on my gender

FUCKING PROVE IT
no circumstantial evidence
Give me the definitive proof that my gender is not what I know it to be.

>>40709194
Rage harder sweety. You're wrong about everything except this.
>gender is an immutable truth
Yeah it is. And if you've got a feminine nervous system and you're saturating it with testosterone you're not going to function properly.

Raging at trannies on the internet is not functioning properly.

>>40709205
>FUCKING PROVE IT
I DID
I went through the diagnostic criteria for Gender Dysphoria.
Gender Dysphoria is caused by you trying to be the gender you are not. It doesn't work. The T isn't making you a man, it's making you a monster, because your nervous system doesn't like it.

The reason you're raging out right now is because you're having to put even more effort into maintaining your masculine persona now that I'm challenging it. You brain sends out the command for more glucose and oxygen to keep the tranny thoughts at bay, which causes a spike of adrenaline, which triggers your fight or flight response, and you rage impotently at the computer screen.

Been there, done that. You don't even need estrogen to get over this, just letting that thing inside of you that makes you so afraid out fixes it. (It's the real you).

>>40709205
if you have a vagina you are a vagina
if you have a penis you a human man

its that shrimple.

>>40709239
>real you
The real me wants to cut off your head with a sharp knife and fuck the stump you fucking whore

>>40709262
calm down maam
when is the last time a man gave you a corrective dicking, you clearly need one.

>>40709262
No. That's the monster you're pretending to be, threatening to do exactly what I want you to do.

Just
let
go

>>40709270
You are a disgusting fucking whore for even suggesting something like that. You ought to have molten led poured into your orifices so you can't sin anymore

>>40709280
whew the edge on this lad

>>40709272
>pretending
That's rich coming from a tranny
I'm not going to lie to a medical professional about having a gender I do not have
Because isn't that how you got on estrogen? Lying about your inner experience in order to get your body mod comped

>>40709197
No, they shouldn't be allowed to. They have limited freedoms, but they have rights, so they aren't property. You can't do whatever you want with them. When the wellbeing of a child is neglected, then the parents are committing a crime.
If a child decides to move in with another legal guardian, then they should be allowed to at certain ages. It is tricky business, but they develop more freedoms as they grow older. They can even become legally independent in some jurisdictions (emancipation). A child should be allowed to determine some things, but it depends on the state, the parents, the child, etc. It is not cut-and-dry.

If a child doesn't like broccoli, that's the parents' problem.
If a child doesn't like blue jeans, that's the child's problem.
If a child doesn't want piano practice, the parent can force it.
If a child doesn't want cancer treatment, then the state will force it.
If a child wants to draw pictures, then good fucking luck stopping them.

>>40709280
>Internalized homophobia
>internalized misogyny
AND
>>40709287
>internalized transphobia
Ding ding ding we've got the trifecta.

You REALLY fucking hate yourself. I don't hate you. You don't even realize how much pain you're in. And it's CLEARLY getting too much to bear.

Don't kill yourself sweety. Just transition. You'll fucking love estrogen.

>>40709297
Pets are property but you can't savagely beat and abuse your pets.

>>40709304
I'd rather kill myself, thanks. Genuinely, I would. Because at least death isn't disgusting.

>>40709297
>If a child doesn't want piano practice, the parent can force it.
How can they force it if they are not property?
You do realize that property does not mean = you can literally do whatever the hell you want to it.

>>40709317
imagine actually admitting you being a pedophile but refusing to admit you're trans.

>>40709335
At least pedophilia makes sense, even if it's untenable.
And I cannot admit that which is untrue. I am not trans. I do not have gender dysphoria. I have an obsession over having to be a man and wanting to be a woman. That's not transgenderism. That's mental illness. In order to be trans your gender and your sex have to be misaligned. Mine are aligned. I'm a man in a male body. I am therefore cis.

>>40709357
>That's not transgenderism.
Yes it is.
That's literally what it is.
You are dysphoric because of your gender.

Anywhat sister I can't play with you any more, I have stuff to do with active and healthy life that I have now because I dealt with my gender issues.

>>40709368
No it's not. Being trans is having a gender incongruence. My gender and sex are congruent. I have no dysphoria.

You are bragging about having a healthy life on a forum for social retards and other misfits. Congrats, I guess.

>>40709357
>I do not have gender dysphoria
>I am merely a man who wants to be a woman
Nigger what.
Im not even a trans, but lol you are describing GD.

>>40709314
That's because they aren't property. They are pets.

>>40709322
While true, cars don't have rights (yet). Children are people.

If the state will seize your property for the express purpose of making sure it is treated with dignity and respect, then it might not fully belong to you. And if you decide to argue that children are still property, but are jointly owned by the state, then I'll counter by saying that adults are hardly any different, then.

>>40709396
Gender dysphoria is gender incongruence. My gender is congruent with my sex. I have no dysphoria. I am merely mentally ill, have been for most of my life and will continue to be until brain modification technology emerges.

>>40709422
pets like children are property of their guardians.

not all property is the same thing.

a car and a child are both property, but we as a society don't give rights to cars.

>>40709392
I have a question for you. How would you feel if the people around you considered you to be a woman -- including yourself?
Another question: what if you were pretty and nobody thought ill of it?

>>40709442
I cannot know how I would feel in a hypothetical like that. I barely feel emotions other than rage and disgust and the like.
What if the sky was green and the moon made of cheese?

>>40709452
How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

>>40709452
It is a simple hypothetical. If the sky was green, then I'd probably think there is a storm coming or something. The moon being cheese would be unnoticeable to me. I wouldn't feel the tide changes because I live the Midwest USA. Engage with the point. Be serious.

>>40709439
If you are going to use the legal definition of property, then I have no argument. Should have just started with that.

>>40709486
>alright if you are just going to use words as how they are legally defined then I am not going to argue with you

>>40709458
I didn't. And if I had, I would feel no different.
>>40709486
If people treated me as if I were a woman I would think they were doing it either to fuck with me or out of fear of the tranny meltdown. If I believed and treated myself as a woman, I would feel whatever women feel in a hypothetical like that.

What if I were pretty? Then people would be even more perplexed on why I don't take part in the filthy fucking behavior they all think everyone takes part in as sexually reproducing species.

These hypotheticals you pull out of your asshole accomplish nothing. My feelings and beliefs do not change according to a fiction you concocted.

>>40709534
I am very sorry that you feel this way. Your responses are eerily familiar to me.

Let me give you the hard truth:
These feelings will never go away.
You would feel better if you expressed yourself as you want to.
You would be mocked and ridiculed, though.
You would have felt better had you done something earlier.
Nobody is coming to save you.
Nobody is going to help.
And most damningly,
it won't get better.
I don't expect you to change. This will cloud your mind like a spectre -- never too far away. It will eat at your self-esteem, your free time, your relationships, and your identity. If I had to guess, your identity has already been hidden away. A censored self-expression becomes meaningless, after all.

I cannot say anything to you that would change your mind. I hope that you can forgive yourself.

>>40709656
There is no identity. There is nothing to forgive. There is no one home. There is only a biological mass which generates an electric signal which interacts with this world, producing thought and sensation. There is nothing but the slow wait for the end of life, which is sped up by tobacco smoke.

>>40709672
There is. Identity is a self-concept. We are people. You deserve to live as a person. You won't, though.

Your responses are typical of someone that has become dissociative.

Tell a therapist how you feel. Please.

>>40711288
No
I'm not going to become a disgusting fucking "person", I will cut off all parts that hinder my progress along the path of purity

>>40704657 (OP)
GBT without the L

>>40711919
You exist in the abstract. There is no "purity". You have no reason to be.

I have another hypothetical. This one is really important, so really give this one some thought. You are in a hospital. A doctor tells you they have unfortunate news. You have cancer. Left untreated, you will die within a year, but your life will become unbearably painful before that time. An oncologist says that amputating your left leg is the safest treatment for your survival.
How do you feel?

>>40712072
I feel glad that I don't have to be on this planet with disgusting fucking human beings anymore with their disgusting fucking habits and their disgusting fucking culture and their disgusting fucking biology

>>40712493
In essence, cancer would be an answer to my prayers

>>40712493
You are lying to yourself. You are afraid. You hide your paranoia with bravado. If you truly hated being here, then you'd kill yourself. You haven't done that. You are a coward that refuses to face yourself. You are ashamed and disgusted with yourself. The truth is so unbearable that you have to deny it all. You already know that this is untenable, but you think you can handle it like a bad memory. You can't. It is a part of you.

You are living like your desires are harmful to society while pretending you don't care about society. You are pretending to be a fearless badass while running from your own shadow.

If people knew the truth about you, they'd see you as the disgusting wretch you are. That's why they won't. You are afraid of that. You are afraid because you are a coward.

The mere existence of bi people seems to create an incredible amount of seething.

>>40705280
>Bi men are either straight men with no standards
You are retarded, the only man i have ever slept with was because i genuinely liked everything about him.

>>40713650
>Asian men are on average shorter than European men
That’s retarded, I am a tall Asian man

>>40713691
>Please let me parrot harmful homophobic stereotypes
No. Kill yourself

>>40713828
>how dare you post anecdotal experiences I don’t like
>kindly kill yourself, I am the morally superior person
Why does every bisexual fag eventually out themselves as a psychopath

>>40713828
Also I’m gay and my disgust and contempt towards bisexuals has nothing to do with homophobia

lol

>>40713839
Oh wow i didn't know you were suicidal anon. It's just that "kill yourself" is a very common slur i almost always use on 4chan

>>40713850
I see. Just so you know other members of the lgbts despise you just as much as you despise me :)
>>40713605

>>40713888
Ok simp

>>40713903
What does that have to do with anything, what are you even implying