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Anonymous No.40719381 >>40719396 >>40719445 >>40719927 >>40719937 >>40719943 >>40721745 >>40721809 >>40721865 >>40721882 >>40722468 >>40722598 >>40724372
srs
what r the chances your srs gets botched even with a good surgeon. I want it so bad but also j hear people who have to wear daipers because it got botched.
Anonymous No.40719396 >>40719405
>>40719381 (OP)
They wear diapers because they want to anon.
Anonymous No.40719405 >>40721575
>>40719396
i swear i heard people who get their bladers fucked during srs and cant hold it. Please tell me its that and im not retarded and couldnt see that itbwas a fetish :<
Anonymous No.40719445
>>40719381 (OP)
the diapers are most certainly for..... other reasons
Anonymous No.40719927 >>40719994
>>40719381 (OP)
>but also j hear people who have to wear daipers
You'd like that though, wouldn't you?
Anonymous No.40719937
>>40719381 (OP)
Less than you think, people who get a normal SRS job just move on with their life, people who get a bad one spend years seeking support and then bad actors plaster their pics everywhere to scare people off. It distorts the actual safety of the surgery
Anonymous No.40719943 >>40721513
>>40719381 (OP)
everyone I've heard that has went to min jun or bluebond-lagner has loved their results, so pretty low.
idk about any other surgeons though. those are the main two I would try to get with
Anonymous No.40719994
>>40719927
I WOULDNT :(((
Anonymous No.40721513
>>40719943

ive also heard that she has like, universally the best rates of success, good anatomy and fine aesthetics, but i was looking at r/transgender_surgeries yesterday and found like 2-3 people posting about how they got bbl and had longstanding complications that revisions couldnt fix. i believe one of them had a very glans-looking clitoris & entirely lost sexual sensitivity and the both of them couldnt maintain depth even w/ frequent dilation


i have a consultation set up with dr. bbl in 2 months (speaking of i hear there's a discord for bbl patients? does anyone have an invite? idk where to find it), ik these two are like, outliers, but i spent months researching & now years waiting and im terrified. really sucks for us! best of luck for you
Anonymous No.40721575 >>40721639
>>40719405
my bladder was fucked before srs unfortunately. it honestly leaks less now than it did before
the vagina part works fine and i don't have any real complication/botch type issues (but see my thread yesterday about experience living with a vagina)
Anonymous No.40721639 >>40721804
>>40721575
could you elaborate more on this?

i have some mildish bladder control issues, i think it stems from absolutely destroying my p***s from tucking daily for 4 years + rarer symptom of another condition i have. pelvic floor excercises havent really helped and my doctor has been unwilling to prescribe something to help.

why do you think it got better after? was the issue before a muscle memory thing or a muscle strength thing? and do you have any advice for pelvic floor exercises? well wishes anon
Anonymous No.40721745
>>40719381 (OP)
Unironically 50% chance.
Anonymous No.40721804 >>40721854
>>40721639
i'm not sure exactly. i think maybe i had a major problem with pee getting trapped in the penis and obviously there's no penis anymore.
but i still leak sometimes so it's hard to say. i also have lots of bladder pain (probably interstitial cystitis) and frequency. they sent me to the pelvic floor therapist which helped a little (and it's so odd to be around that stuff and not be worried about vaginal dilation)
Anonymous No.40721809 >>40721823
>>40719381 (OP)
well reported regret rates are very low for such a major surgery. Either the botch rates are also low or people who got it were so dysphoric that they are happy with even a botch job.
Anonymous No.40721823 >>40721985
>>40721809
Tbh I think an under reported mitigating factor is that even successful, normal surgeries can be super tough to go through mentally. Being bedridden for a week and pumped full of opioids isn't amazing for your mental health regardless so I think theres a few incidents of people freaking out over minor complications that are fixed later because they've just had a stressful surgery
Anonymous No.40721854 >>40722002
>>40721804
ive never had bladder pain but my problems sound pretty similar to yours. i'm really curious now like, medically, if on average women have less bladder problems due to simply like, the vulva having less distance to travel than a penis does to pee? yeah at one point I was seeing a PT for other stuff and asked for a pelvic floor PT and basically got told "Um no that's for women :/" suxxxx.

glad it's fairly better now though!! ty for the advice!
Anonymous No.40721865
>>40719381 (OP)
getting botched in a way that would render you incontinent would require a freakish accident (even among normal botch jobs). apparently some people can have minor bladder control issues, but this stems from needing to adjust to the new urethra length and shape rather than an issue with the surgery
Sunset !!xKFbZoChTlJ No.40721882 >>40721903
>>40719381 (OP)
I've researched a bit rates of complications after the surgery and it's kinda inconclusive. Some studies report complications in 6%, some in 12% and there was one that I've seen that went as high as 25%. You should try and checking that on your own I guess if you're more knowledgable about SRS because I'm not in the slightest.
Anonymous No.40721903 >>40721923
>>40721882
Bear in mind that complications aren't necessarily the same as a botch job. Lots of complications are cosmetic issues that are fixed in revision.
Sunset !!xKFbZoChTlJ No.40721923 >>40721985
>>40721903
This is from the highest rate citing one
Anonymous No.40721985 >>40722016 >>40722063 >>40722182
>>40721823
Well what concerns me with regret studies is that regret usually means in a medical sense: "If I could reverse this surgery and go back, I would." I think that is an especially tough requirement for transwomen to meet, for obvious reasons, even if they are actually unsatisfied with the outcome. I wonder how the regret rates of BA for trans women compares to cis women.
>>40721923
Is this like during the recovery process bc a lot of these are like
>bleeding
yeah that makes sense, sutures break and stuff
>Ileus
um they are on opiods? unless this is way afterwards
>Surgical Site Infection
not much can be done about this right? it's a risk of any surgery
Anonymous No.40722002
>>40721854
>Um no that's for women
yes finding people who take you seriously is an issue. And I didn't really try to seek care before but I fear this is one area where women are somehow taken more seriously.
Many pelvic floor therapists won't deal with men (admittedly I have no idea what they would even do since they've gone into my muscles through the vagina-I guess they use the anus?). But it is a thing that's done.
of course then the male/female thing gets applied wrongly to trans women who would very much benefit from pft after surgery. isn't it ironic i was only able to gain access to this sort of care through my urinary issues? it's a urogyn I see for that and she's my only access to any gyn care since they won't see me and my pcp is clueless. It's such a nightmare.
Anonymous No.40722016 >>40722153
>>40721985
You have to also keep in mind the suicide rates post SRS are sky high + all the tranniea that die in Thailand botched by Chett Suporn or worse are just gonna disappear and not be counted
Sunset !!xKFbZoChTlJ No.40722063 >>40722134
>>40721985
Like I said I have absolutely no knowledge about surgeries and medical stuff. But makes sense that bleedings can be expected and SS infections are just a risk of any surgery. So that takes down those rates from 25 to 15% without those, which sounds better
Sunset !!xKFbZoChTlJ No.40722134
>>40722063
Wait, no, I'm retarded. It's 10% of those 25% so it's down by 2,5% in general...
Anonymous No.40722153 >>40722188 >>40722198
>>40722016
On what basis are you making this claim? suicide ATTEMPTS go down the more progress people make towards their transition. Or do you disagree with that fact? Why haven't numerous studies on transgender suicide and mental health picked up this artifact in the data?
Anonymous No.40722182
>>40721985
ileus and bleeding are going to be like 100% and hardly make sense to talk about in that context. So I'm sure there's some significance test
some of these studies will consider ordinary gyn issues like yeast or whatever a complication although clearly this one hasn't. another reality is that e.g. the fistula rate is commensurate with the fistula rate for childbirth (so while childbirth is understood to be dangerous we seem to hear a lot more hoopla about how nobody should get srs lest they have complications-why?)
and while researching the above I came across the statistic that 30% of women over 45 have urinary incontinence. both childbirth and a history of gyn surgery come with a large number of potential pelvic complications, but there's so many women running around with these sorts of issues that it's almost not worth worrying too much about.
i had wound separation too which seemed like a nightmare at the time but at this point i don't notice. i was shocked by the number of women around me who reported having more or less the same experience after childbirth. it's remarkably common yet never talked about-at least not in front of people who can't get it.
Idk I guess my point is that a lot of these complications are solvable and ultimately non-events or would've happened anyway. Like women having babies we also want the outcome even if it does fuck our bodies up a bit.
Sunset !!xKFbZoChTlJ No.40722188
>>40722153
There were some studies that reported that.
BUT, the thing is that they didn't compare post ops to pre/non ops but to general population which makes it pretty worthless
Anonymous No.40722198 >>40722256
>>40722153
No I'm not saying what you think I'm saying. I'm saying botched SRS has led to many suicides because of many trans people I know that killed themselves because of being botched. I don't have data just sorrow. I almost lost my partner due to SRS. I wish I could get SRS often but my head is full of so many deaths that I can't. It's too risky.
But studies are in America. They don't include Thai butchers. They don't include euro morons.
Anonymous No.40722256 >>40722290 >>40722329
>>40722198
soo american surgeons are okay? are you alleging some sort of coverup as the reason why all these families and friends aren't reporting the loss of their loved ones due to suicide after getting this surgery? There are botchers in Thailand but people like suporn and chett mostly have western clients. Are these people just disappearing in Thailand after their surgery?

For the record, I absolutely would believe you if you said something like suicide ideation/depression goes up in the months after surgery. It's hard on your body, it's isolating, etc. There is a reason why you get letters from doctors who are supposed to be screening you for mental stability.
Anonymous No.40722290 >>40722308 >>40722339
>>40722256
>soo american surgeons are okay?
Idk maybe I'm not an expert
>are you alleging some sort of coverup as the reason why all these families and friends aren't reporting the loss of their loved ones due to suicide after getting this surgery?
Most trannies don't have families
>There are botchers in Thailand but people like suporn and chett mostly have western clients. Are these people just disappearing in Thailand after their surgery?
Yeah this happened in the hotel when I was there. Yeah. Almost happened to my partner too. This was Chett. She still doesn't have feeling in her top right leg years after btw.

Idk why you want me to be some weird antitrans activist I'm just a tranner anon talking about shit that's happened to me or rather to people around me...
Anonymous No.40722308 >>40722333
>>40722290
This is why I'm waiting until methods advance so I don't get a hackjob
Anonymous No.40722329 >>40722410
>>40722256
i can easily believe it doesn't get treated fairly or seriously by the medical world.
surgeon malpratice is easily covered up by claiming this is a difficult new controversial. i doubt there's a us state let alone a foreign hospital that takes that sort of thing seriously when the patient is trans.
maybe someone kills herself because the surgeon is so incompetent and botcher her. it gets reported as yet another tranny killing herself because obviously they are mentally unstable and this operation is clearly not a good idea.
(and I've had srs and am quite happy with my vagina fwiw)
Anonymous No.40722333
>>40722308
Oh her results are good tbqh it's just they almost killed her in the process, and completely blindsided me and refused to communicate or answer my calls to know how she was doing. Not everyone was as lucky so as to get good results though.
Anonymous No.40722339 >>40722350
>>40722290
So your partner is one of the patients who reports regret with SRS? If she could reverse the surgery and go back she would?
Anonymous No.40722350 >>40722410
>>40722339
She half regrets i guess. Idk. I don't wanna make her feel like shit and talk about it. I think results are good except the fact she lost feeling in her right leg ofc...
Anonymous No.40722410 >>40722495 >>40722499
>>40722329
okay I can believe this argument maybe. Idk I just think there is a lot of money out there for researchers that want to prove something like "trannies who get gender confirmation surgery kill themselves at higher rates than other trannies". I mean look at ROGD and other stuff. Maybe the studies that are proving this are ongoing.
>>40722350
Sorry I didn't mean to come across as accusatory. Tbh cases like you are describing are what worry me. I think SRS should not be treated like other plastic surgeries. People who get a tummy tuck or face life become unsatisfied because it's purely about cosmetics. But do severe burn victims or victims of acid attacks regret getting plastic surgeries to reconstruct their faces? Well probably not, I mean did they have another option? I feel like srs is more similar to that for trans women.
Anonymous No.40722468 >>40722499
>>40719381 (OP)
i genuinely cant tell if people in this thread are secretly bias and high iq leaning into botched while appearing impartial. i have a theory that anyone who is attracted to women have a vested interested against srs; the thought of fucking a fake pussy without them knowing completely outrages them. im scheduled with dr bank at suporn clinic and hoping everything goes alright, but it doesnt seem as complicated as people are making it..?
Anonymous No.40722495 >>40722594 >>40722594
>>40722410
>Sorry I didn't mean to come across as accusatory.
Yeah dw i know there's lots of trolls here
>Tbh cases like you are describing are what worry me. I think SRS should not be treated like other plastic surgeries. People who get a tummy tuck or face life become unsatisfied because it's purely about cosmetics. But do severe burn victims or victims of acid attacks regret getting plastic surgeries to reconstruct their faces? Well probably not, I mean did they have another option? I feel like srs is more similar to that for trans women.
Yeah that's very true like ofc she got rid of dysphoria there so like that's good but is she 100% satisfied as if she just clicked a button and got a perfect vulva? That's very different so regret is very hard to measure. Most trans women who get SRS are very dysphoric and ofc anything will be better than a dick for them.
Anonymous No.40722499 >>40722529
>>40722410
yes it's really silly to treat srs which causes major functional changes in your urogenital system as some kind of cosmetic surgery. a lot of times our physical health gets treated as a psychological issue in ways that are incredibly unhelpful and unfair.
I don't have hrt right now (nor do I have any gonads at all). Cis women in this situation are taken seriously in a way that I never can be. When I call for a gyn appointment because I think I have a yeast infection I can tell everyone involved thinks they're placating a delusion to some degree rather than treating a potential physical issue.
This stuff is endemic and being post op and on the other end of it makes it really clear. Even orgs that claim to be allies become hostile. I think what happens is the illusion they have that we will always be our birth sex starts to break down.
>>40722468
you know i've had plentyof sex with guys i haven't told. maybe they would've liked it but it's yet another place where we are treated unfairly. there's plenty of cis women walking around with a history reconstructive surgery but it isn't treated as fake as ours by doctors, partners, society, anyone.
Anonymous No.40722529 >>40722586
>>40722499
>When I call for a gyn appointment because I think I have a yeast infection I can tell everyone involved thinks they're placating a delusion to some degree rather than treating a potential physical issue.
i mean if thats so much of a worry maybe try not saying your trans?
Anonymous No.40722586
>>40722529
yeah i've wondered if i should just do that
the less they think about it the better in my experience (i mean the doctors who claim a lot of trans experience give WORSE advice) but there's also the reality is that so many receptionists nurses schedulers etc. have the ability to stonewall me before I Even get to the doctor.
one I managed to see through referral told me she wishes she saw more trans women. I didn't tell her I wasn't able to make an appointment by cold calling the office
Anonymous No.40722594 >>40722643
>>40722495
>high iq leaning into botched while appearing impartial.
not sure what you mean by this. I am a trans woman who wants srs one day (saving the money rn.) I guess I have pretty severe bottom dysphoria, mostly revolving around sex with other partners. I have seen plenty of good results but I am pretty vain/picky I guess. I want it to look reasonably cis at least from the outside.
>>40722495
Yeah and I mean chuddies/cis people never bring up this argument online bc you have to be trans to see it this way. Even researchers who might have an agenda would miss it. However, I'm not sure it even really means you should not get srs just maybe it's not right for everyone?
Anonymous No.40722598
>>40719381 (OP)
as an hsts i only want srs to open up my dating pool
>inb4 you'll lose all the chasers interested in you
yeah, so i dont date chasers to begin with.
Anonymous No.40722643 >>40722670 >>40722778
>>40722594
It just feels like rolling the dice on your life in a way that almost cost me the love of my life so yeah I wanted SRS too but idk I got orchi and this fixed most of my dysphoria.
I think my biggest advice is to get orchi before SRS because that might be enough and that's relatively risk free. Unless you have a huge dick you are very dysphoric about cuz you can't hide it ig but for me with almost nothing it fixed most issues.
Anonymous No.40722670 >>40724169
>>40722643
Fixed most issues, except you have to always have anal sex. A huge hassle.

It's very nice to put on a bit of lube and have your man slip it in. No prep, no douching, no poop or pain or any of that bs.

Fortune favors the bold, ladies. Want a pussy? Stop being one.
Anonymous No.40722778 >>40724169
>>40722643
Yeah but I hate my penis. I hate my partner seeing it. I don't like them touching it unless I close my eyes and try to imagine something else. I want to have normal sex. I want to have morning sex with a boyfriend. I want to have naked cuddles without it accidently brushing him. I want to use the changing room at the gym without freaking out. I want to wear a bikini to the beach. I want to travel around the world with my partner and experience things. When I'm old and in a nursing home I don't want to have special tranny nurses or something. I don't want to have to tell every doctor who might take my clothes off for a checkup that I'm not normal down there.
Anonymous No.40724169 >>40724280 >>40724329
>>40722670
I like anal idk. Not as an every day thing but I'm more into girls anyway.
>>40722778
Yeah I know I'm a tranny too anon lol. I used to cry just feeling it against my sheets. Now I'm better, but yeah I still have to be careful in public sometimes. I also don't wanna travel, fuck the rest of the world, I'm happy in my developed country where I don't risk perpetual rape if I go to jail
Anonymous No.40724280 >>40724308
>>40724169
Tender and retarded. You will never ascend.
Anonymous No.40724308
>>40724280
Ascend to what? I thought the memes were clipping your wings when cutting your dick. This is all retarded copes there is nowhere to ascend or descend to magical thinking is a cope but whatever makes you happy and dumb.
Anonymous No.40724329 >>40724345 >>40724353 >>40724375
>>40724169
I just don't see how an orchi would help me when most of my distress is around other people potentially seeing it ever. Not that I ever plan to go to prison but srs is what is most likely to keep you out of male prison?
Anonymous No.40724345 >>40724482
>>40724329
i'm post op and they put me with women but i'm sure if i had been there for more than a day they'd have eventually figured out that i was born with a penis and moved me
Anonymous No.40724353 >>40724389
>>40724329
nta but orchi helps with bulge and tucking a LOT
i used to be paranoid and so stressed i felt sick every time i went out abt my tuck slipping or people noticing but i got an orchi and its so much less noticeable its a HUGE quality of life improvement
Dakota !!SzAOCPNJ/hz No.40724372
>>40719381 (OP)
i wish i could hurry the process up and just get my zero depth i hate having this thing on me
Anonymous No.40724375 >>40724482
>>40724329
Idk my dick is very small with an orchi it's barely visible unless I'm wearing a bikini and even then it's conspicuous but not like huge dong sized.
But anyway idk why orchi really fixed my dysphoria. I think balls are extremely masculine and having them made me wanna kms. A dick I'm way more neutral about, it's just a big clit if you wanna cope this way.
Nah male prison is gonna be for us no matter what we have if govts decide to be that evil. That said I live in Scandinavia so prisons don't scare me much and I'm happy staying here knowing that even if I'm convicted of some random bs for x or y reason I'm gonna have a nice room and rights and shit.
Anonymous No.40724389
>>40724353
I am that anon (lel), before orchi idk i never managed to tuck i think because small pp or maybe cuz I'm retarded? Now I can just wear tight panties put it down between the legs and I'm basically smooth
Anonymous No.40724482 >>40724526 >>40724527 >>40724567
>>40724345
Unless they start digging into your records your just going to be woman? They don't check your chromosomes. Are they checking people's periods in women's prison? I guess maybe that happens, those places dehumanize everybody
>>40724375
> I think balls are extremely masculine
a lot of people say this but to me it's always been the whole are that is gross. I just push my balls up inside they aren't an issue for tucking at all it's the shaft an extra skin bulging out, but of course I've never seen an orchi'ed person irl so who knows.
Anonymous No.40724526
>>40724482
idk there was blood all over my bed and i wasn't allowed to have toilet paper so i doubt the periods are handled very well
they started by calling me a man and had a guy grope me but then somehow they decided i was a woman all of a sudden so that was weird
Anonymous No.40724527 >>40724560
>>40724482
>I just push my balls up inside
I've never been able to do that lmao
Hell if I wanna be weird I can put my small dick in the loose skin and tadaa vulva lmao
Anonymous No.40724560 >>40724607
>>40724527
your inguinal canal stretches out the more you do it, it was only difficult for the first couple weeks, uncomfortable for like 2mo, then i stretched out and it was so easy it would happen whenever i lie on my back

laying down on your back or sitting down helps! i couldnt figure it out at first, it helped to look at a lot of medical guides to get a feel for where they are
Dakota !!SzAOCPNJ/hz No.40724567 >>40724822
>>40724482
balls make the manliness happen no balls no man
Anonymous No.40724607 >>40724661 >>40725045
>>40724560
Oh i tried a ton never managed lol. But yeah now I've had orchi so it doesn't matter anymore. Anyway naked having testicles + the threat of masculinisation if I dont have E was just so bad. Now im safe.
Dakota !!SzAOCPNJ/hz No.40724661 >>40724740
>>40724607
thats how i want to feel.
Anonymous No.40724740 >>40724780
>>40724661
Just get orchi then its gr8. I still have 1.1nmol/l T because my adrenals are strong, and I'm horny all the time lmao
Dakota !!SzAOCPNJ/hz No.40724780
>>40724740
its the first step i'm just waiting on my medicade to be fully approved and then i go get consultations to find quickest date. since i'm going zd i can lose the sack too which will be nice.
Anonymous No.40724822 >>40724873
>>40724567
yeah sure chemically that's true. Most random people on the street name genitals firstly as what distinguishes a man and a woman, not ovaries and testicles. I want what you're saying obviously, but I want balls gone and a vagina. So I have to wait. Especially since orchi makes your outcome worse from what I've read.
Anonymous No.40724873
>>40724822
yeah if you're post op and you take your clothes off nobody is going to call you a man but if you have balls obviously you are a man
Anonymous No.40725045 >>40725145
>>40724607
oh sorry didn't read that. grats! yeah its so much better now. well wishes!
Anonymous No.40725145
>>40725045
Ah thanks it's been 5y lol! Got it 3y into HRT or sth