Thread 40734531

Is anyone else here wary of Drag Queens/Kings?
They're not like proper trans people that live their whole lives as their gender, but rather put on a mask/costume for a few hours to perform and that's it.
Especially when it comes to drag, it's often so over the top it tends to horseshoe back to mockery at least in my opinion. Like a cartoon representation of what a woman (or a man) is.
It doesn't help at all that in my country they try to lump them together with us trannies under the T ("Trans/Transvestite Collective" they call it)
Does anyone else feel like this, or am I alone in my distrust and wariness of them?

I think they're alright but there's a clear disconnect... You can tell they do this temporarily because a lot of them are too bold and confident, which isn't the norm for trannies. It's like Hawaiian locals meeting loud tourists in colorful Hawaiian shirts.

>>40734531 (OP)
I don’t like them but only because they are the opposite of the negative androgyny I’m attracted to. It makes engaging with local queer culture annoying

>>40734531 (OP)
i just hate the conflation. i consider myself a deformed woman not a man in women's clothing

>>40734531 (OP)
trans people dont live their whole life as their gender
if anything drag artists do since they arent trying ti change their birth gender

>>40734531 (OP)
dragqueen story hour shit has only harmed trans ppl

>>40734600
blah blah blah go be a TERF elsewhere
>>40734588
This is what I mean, mostly. I don't like being conflated with them
>>40734566
>>40734612
agreed

>>40734531 (OP)
nope and i have no respect for people who get anxiety and hatred over them. i think it's complete loser shit to get mad at gnc people for cis people being retarded and/or your shortcomings at passing which is a lot of what this comes down to
do you retards actually think that if there were no drag queens/kings that cis people would see you and the clothes you wear and think "oh that's someone trying to be a woman/man i'll treat them accordingly because i have this guaranteed visual cue of their identity" and that with drag existing that's what's making cis people go "well...they could be a drag queen or nonbinary or a binary trans person but who can say since there are so many options!"
what's more relevant to *you* not being seen as a woman/man, your body and the way it looks or some stranger playing dress up? it's you, it's only you.

>>40734531 (OP)
I wish I looked like that so bad fuck I hate being a skinny male

>>40735486
The stranger can play dress up all they want, just not within the confines of the trans community. They're not trans, they do not belong here, they MAYBE belong with the B/G community, but definitely not with the T
>>40735510
Just take the fatpill, nona, it's easy to put on weight

Im not trans so maybe my opinions isn't wanted but I think drag queens are cool. I don't like crazy over exaggerated shit but I think it should be perfectly fine for a guy to wanna dress as a girl and let that part of them out for a bit.

Women shouldn't get to be the only ones who wear "feminine" clothes and do makeup- same way men shouldn't be the only ones to wear work clothes and "masculine" stuff. I don't think gender should completely dictate what you can and can't do with yourself.

Sorry for the rant

>>40734531 (OP)
this is the average bodytype of the trannies who whine about what a ton of performance art fags do in their free time by the way. hit the gym til you pass nona

>>40736402
but drag queens aren't feminine, they're like the most male possible presentation

>>40736664
Fat makes me pass more easily than being skellymode thougheverbeit
>>40736402
>Women shouldn't get to be the only ones who wear "feminine" clothes and do makeup- same way men shouldn't be the only ones to wear work clothes and "masculine" stuff. I don't think gender should completely dictate what you can and can't do with yourself.
I agree with this. My problem with drag is that it is exaggerated to hell and back. It's just a jacked dude with makeup on in 99% of cases.

>>40736810
>I agree with this. My problem with drag is that it is exaggerated to hell and back. It's just a jacked dude with makeup on in 99% of cases.
and this is a problem why? 99% of drag queens look better and put more effort into being feminine than your average hon. drag queens don't make trans women look bad, you already do that shit to yourselves with your autism induced bad hygiene and grooming. if anything stereotypes about drag queens lead to higher expectations for trans women to be well put together and then confusion when most of them look like frumpy retards

>>40734531 (OP)
BetterWithSalt on this board goddamn

>>40734531 (OP)
>drag kings
>drag stands for DRessed As Girl
>a woman dressed as a caricature of a man is a "dressed as girl king"

>>40736915
You clearly haven't seen what transvestites can look like on average and it shows.
>>40736980
Don't blame me for bad nomenclature on their part, I'm using the words as they coined them

>>40734818
desu I don't like being conflated with them either, but they make money, have irl community, and practice a physical art form. trannies lacking

imo they are trans in a sense but like they specifically do it for profit. they say HEY LOOK AT ME IM FAKE and people give them money for it. it could be done well but even then its just so inescapably lame. its very 20th century to me (derogatory)

>>40737545
>20th century
its giving queer women who wear corsets and like burlesque hunny

>>40734531 (OP)
i loathe drag it is literally a clown show
there is nothing feminine or elegant about it whatsoever it's a straight up gaudy clown

>>40737526
they have a community because we are all too busy being catty bitches to eachother over looks and who we need to love

we should be united and supportive to eachother

I like drag cuz it pisses of AGPs like OP who have no native femininity and can only force a robotic imitation of how women sound and act.

>>40737998
they're so fucking upset about getting gigamogged by the likes of plastique tiara or aquaria. fuck even NPBFAG absolutely mogs the living shit out of the average hon with a dollar store beat and a shake and go

>>40734531 (OP)
I love love love drag kings

>>40734531 (OP)
It's trans blackface

>>40734531 (OP)
I don't like drag as it exists nowadays because they don't even try to look female, which is the whole point, they try to look 'drag' as its own separate thing. They are just gay men dressing up. Good for them, or whatever, but it's got nothing to do with trans.

>>40739308
trans women are also just gay men dressing up

>>40736402
>>40736802
Agree, drag isn't about looking female, or wearing female clothes and makeup, it's a clownery

>>40739326
drag is about implying that feminine men are performing when they act feminine

>>40734531 (OP)

I recognise that image from better-with-salt.
Good taste OP, good taste.

>>40734531 (OP)
No, why would I? It's a form of theater and drag performers are very aware and explicitly don't equate themselves with trans people, it's just retarded rightoids that do that.

>>40739986
trans women = drag queens

drag is like blackface of women. it's crazy to me that so many cis women are on board with it. will never understand it.

>>40736402
you're talking about crossdressing, not drag. drag is purposefully as exaggerated as possible, that's the point.

>>40738426
this is a good phrase for it

You’re just autistic and worrying about labels and normativity, stop being the gender police and let it go! Drag queens are part of our community, have done so much for all of us, and maybe they just feel differently about their gender than you and you will never understand. Judging them doesn’t make you any better than any other transphobe

>>40734612
I can promise you if I had met a drag queen as a child, and I was shown that it was possible to play with gender and people will still like you and my parents approved of that, I would be a much more confident and functioning member of society today instead of still being a lowlife repper hiding in my room

>>40734531 (OP)
Nah most drag queens I've met have been pretty chill. My only problem is that the performances are all mostly the same. By the time I watched my third drag show, I realized I was just waiting for it to be over.

>>40734531 (OP)
>implying 1/3rd of the contestants who appeared on RuPaul's Drag Race didn't come out as trans at some point, directly crediting drag as the reason why presenting femme felt good for them

>>40737574
19th century is worse, i only like 21st century.

>>40734531 (OP)
Eh, I think they’re silly and whimsical. It’s fun to keep them around

Captcha: SJWtm

>>40740103
Yeah, but... I don't know, I just don't really see anything wrong with it until you get into the stereotypical stuff that right wingers like to point out. I kinda vibe with the idea of shutting on the idea of gender roles and expectations.

>>40736810
>Jacked dude in makeup
... Hot.

>>40739326
Ehhhh, I guess so. It always felt like it was its own individual culture and idea desperate from legitimate gender stuff to me, so I never really thought too much about implications.

>>40736802
Isn't that the point? It's not trying to be a woman, it's like... Applying "feminine" things to masculine presenting people?

Sorry if I sound weird, I'm melting and can't think straight

>>40740441
I worry about conflating men in makeup with trans women, yes. We are not the same. Add a D to the alphabet soup for them or something, but genuinely take them out of the T

>>40734531 (OP)
I don’t have a problem w drag, other than it often being kinda reductive towards women at times. My only real issue is how their performance gets conflated with my lived identity—and often times I think drag queens attach themselves to not just the cause of transgender rights but also to the experience of being trans. And that bothers me a lot

>>40743891
they're there as the G you fucking retard

>>40745099
Funny how they get lumped up with us trannies instead of the gays then, huh

>>40734531 (OP)
It's A PERFORMANCE, drags don't think their women. They put on the act and over exaggerate.

>>40740451
it should be transgirl story hour then

that would be fine because (id like to think) most of us wouldnt trigger snowflake christians/etc with demon makeup and horns and shit

>>40745715
that's still cis people's fault retard

>>40746289
Drag queens are cis people too, for the most part they're all cis men, with the rare cis woman thrown in for good measure