Thread 40766942

Anyone else here AGP but only into [cis] men? Zero interest in women, gay male vaginal disgust, but the way I experience attraction is very different from gay men.
It's very rare that I encounter anyone else with this weird sexuality.

>>40766942 (OP)
I’m into men (male) and women (male)

>>40767236
So you're not what the thread was asking about? Why even reply. Narcissist.

you're not agp

>>40767270
I am AGP. I'm meta-attracted, not "really" attracted to men.

>>40766942 (OP)
>but the way I experience attraction is very different from gay men.
Explain further?

>>40767272
no you're just a normal trans woman who likes men, as opposed to someone who transitioned as a fetish
blanchardism isn't real

>>40767279
In brief, I'm attracted to what men can "do" to me, not really visually attracted at all other than to big cocks and armpits.

>>40767284
No I'm not a normal trans woman. I don't want a vagina. I'm basically a fetishist in that I'm not a real trans woman.

>>40767426
girl 4chan has rotten your brain a lil. plenty of trans women want to keep their bits, it's natural. if you speak to some straigt trans women, you may find a lot of similarities even if they don't share your exact identity. you got this honey

>>40766942 (OP)

most female attraction, cis or trans, is 'meta-attraction'

>>40766942 (OP)
yeah. i've had one or two gay friends online, and i don't seem to feel the same attraction they feel for men. i can only see myself having sex with one though so it defines my sexuality, "gay" is the only social label that fits. but it's like, just the penis. or the concept of one reinforcing my femininity through penetration? there's no strong physical attraction, but no repulsion either, and its leagues better than feeling completely disgusted and inadequate in a heterosexual relationship.

i thought for a while that attraction would come naturally if I 'accepted' it. after a few years of 'accepting' my 'gayness' it hasn't really happened, i think. call it 'gay male frigidity'.

>>40766942 (OP)
I am basically like this, or thought I was. I am primarily attracted to men but since they are emotionally unavailable I also fuck trannies.

>>40767426
This is sort of just how female-brained attraction works. While you are attracted to physical aspects the main things, the emotional aspects of the person take a front seat. If you trace your fantasies of what men can do for you, you will find a lot of this is an attraction to their attitudes and proclivity to be a strong presence in a relationship. Women never think men are the catch, they are never really head over heels for them, it is this brand of more subtle appreciation.

>>40766942 (OP)
im also into women but only ones that act dominant and basically pseudo mannish but lately meta attraction and submissiveness makes me think i should give in to actual men who knows it'll turn out to be a revelation it's not like i know everything and i like being pampered and pursued

>>40767426
>I dehumanize men and consider them to be a walking penis with legs
Gay bottom. There's no difference.

>>40767426
>I'm attracted to what men can "do" to me
I'm a bi man just here to comment, but I've heard the same from cis women. Watched porn with a girl who only looked at pictures solo girls because visuals of men were less appealing. She said the same thing, men are only attractive if they're doing things.

>>40770349
Although ironically that girl considered herself to be straight, while a lot of bi girls I've been with are very much visually attracted to men.

>>40768851
There's no evidence this is the case. This is a cope.

>>40768815
I have nothing in common with trans women or even gay men in general.

>>40769280
I didn't say "what men can do 'for' you"--I said what men can do "to" me. Sure I like it when men are nice to me and thoughtful, but that's not erotic to me. So no.

>>40769480
That's an egregious misinterpretation of what I said.

>>40770349
That's...also not at all like me. I couldn't get off to pictures of solo girls if I tried, or even men.

>>40766942 (OP)
Same. I'm somewhat into trans women as well, but I'm not into vagina even a little bit.
Although I'm not into armpits, and I am visually attracted to men but only if they're twinks

>>40768815

Crazy idea, but hear me out. Maybe, just maybe the reasons these trans "women" want to keep their male bits because they're just men with a fetish?

>>40766942 (OP)
you're probably just androphilic. there is no set of rules to dictate how or when you experience attraction. you can define those for yourself and won't be able to change what you want.
try ignoring the blanchard stuff, imagine it was never conceived, how would you describe your experiences?
> captcha: GMAN4

>>40770630
I wanted an orchiectomy but I can't afford it right now. My penis doesn't bother me if it's not used for sexual purposes and doesn't get hard anymore. It's like my appendix.

>>40770652
>try ignoring the blanchard stuff, imagine it was never conceived, how would you describe your experiences?
I already described this in the thread. I'm generally not visually attracted to men, but instead attracted to "what he can do to me."

>>40770564
>There's no evidence this is the case. This is a cope.
imagine saying this but believing in AGP and meta-attraction lmao
you sound similar to me. I cant get off to guys or women. I absolutely need to envision myself as fem. Im disgusted by vaginas but okay with penises. I wouldnt date trannies. every fetish I have involves me getting dominated, humiliated, experiencing violence, or whatever. I have nothing in common with gays and dont really bond well with trannies. but I dont believe in blanchards stuff because Im not dumb and actually read his work and concluded that he is a complete retard

>>40770675
Then this is just a semantics difference. "My sexuality doesn't remotely resemble normality for any letter." That's a lot more verbose and less explicit than "meta-attracted AGP," which is succinct and people know what I'm talking about. If your OP is too wordy no one is going to read it or reply.

>>40770669
> generally not visually attracted to men
so who says you have to be attracted to EVERY man you meet? 'generally not attracted' seems to imply for me that they're are a few men you're visually attracted to.

>>40770727
By that I mean I'm only really visually attracted to big penises and armpits, not that "there are a few men I'm visually attracted to."

>>40770697
its not just semantics. read the critics of blanchards work, but honestly, you dont seem open to changing your view on this. you just want to say AGP AGP meta-attracted over and over again without understanding what it implies

>>40770744
I have my own criticisms of Blanchard's work! Doesn't change my sexuality.

>>40770888
anon, youre not getting it. your sexuality is somewhat normal for women, and youre either trans or a fetishistic crossdresser. for you to call yourself AGP and say that you experience meta-attraction, you need to agree with the premises from blanchard. again, this is not about semantics, youre jumping to conclusions without understanding the premises
to be a fetishistic crossdresser (the original idea that blanchard incorporated in his work and mixed with transsexualism at the time), you need to not be gender dysphoric
in short, youre just an androphilic tranny (if youre gender dysphoric) but you want to call yourself AGP for some reason

>>40771007
>your sexuality is somewhat normal for women
I'd like very much to believe this, but I'm not going to take "dude trust me" as evidence of that claim. Provide empirical evidence this is the case or stop.
I'm not androphilic because I'm not really even attracted to men.

>>40771062
>I'd like very much to believe this, but I'm not going to take "dude trust me" as evidence of that claim. Provide empirical evidence this is the case or stop.
sure, just wait a bit because I need to find it all again
>I'm not androphilic because I'm not really even attracted to men.
both primary (direct) and secondary (indirect) attraction are recognized as valid forms of attraction
the idea that only primary attraction is valid to determine your "true" sexuality comes from...guess who?

>>40766942 (OP)
All trannies are agp, its just the nature of trannydom. "Hsts" trannies who pride themselves on their totally pure straightness will deny this but it's reality. Agp isn't the problem it's that what we often perceived as "agp" males are gross creeps with bad genetics and no style or self awareness

>>40771151
>Agp isn't the problem it's that what we often perceived as "agp" males are gross creeps with bad genetics and no style or self awareness
I think AGP "is" the problem. How many "HSTS'" are there that are remotely close to Jessica Yaniv or Kris Tyson or Chris Chan?Dylan is bisexual and thus AGP. So that just leaves Brianna Wu?

>>40771162
The problem is that you (and many others on this board) use Blanchard's pseudoscience to fit people into a reductive binary of good and bad, which even Blanchard doesn't do.
>Dylan is bisexual and thus AGP
All mtfs are bi to some degree, the ones who claim to be straight are either super self conscious about being perceived as a further "abnormality" or are brain rotted 4chan troons who've convinced themselves being anything but straight makes them an evil rapist fake tranny.

>>40771205
OP here, I'm not attracted to women at all. If I were I'd be much happier.

>>40771238
Idk bro you'd be surprised how much dysphoria can fuck up. I've always been super attracted to women but having to engage with them in a "male" way always made shit super difficult unless I just imagined myself as a woman even with women I was unbelievably in to

>>40771349
I'm not claiming that what you describe doesn't happen, but that you have poor theory of mind and there are some trans women who just aren't bisexual, like me.
It's like claiming all gay men could *really* get with a woman if they wanted to, or all lesbians *really* want dick.

>>40766942 (OP)
agp isn't real, also blanchard is a paedophile who supports conversion therapy and abusing trans children

>>40771377
Cool. Read the thread because that doesn't change my point

>>40771382
stop letting yourself get mind cucked by pedos

>>40766942 (OP)
I get you. I'm only into men as a feminine subject. As a masculine subject I don't want to have sex with them even if I am attracted to them. I also like the fact that they emphasize my femininity by contrast.

>>40771388
Read the thread.

>>40771062
>>40771123
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-016-0897-x
>Research on the gender specificity of women’s sexual response has consistently produced sexual orientation effects, such that androphilic women (sexually attracted to adult males) typically show gender-nonspecific patterns of genital response and gynephilic women (sexually attracted to adult females) show more gender-specific responses.
>Briefly, men showed a gender-specific pattern, with gynephilic men (sexually attracted to adult females) responding more to sexual stimuli depicting females, and androphilic men (sexually attracted to adult males)
showed the inverse pattern. In contrast, both androphilic and gynephilic women showed a gender-nonspecific pattern, responding similarly to stimuli depicting men or women.
>Originally shown using genital and self-report measures of sexual response, the scope of this research has broadened to include cognitive measures, visual attention, pupil dilation, and neural responses. Across these measures, the pattern is strikingly similar: Men usually show gender-specific responses, whereas androphilic women’s are nonspecific, showing significant and similar sexual responses to both female and male sexual stimuli. Coupled with evidence for significant fluidity in women’s attractions, identity, and behavior over time (see Diamond, 2013), an altogether different model of female sexual orientation is being built. In this model, women’s sexual identities are not synonymous with their sexual attractions, and neither of these aspects of women’s sexuality is highly correlated with patterns of sexual response and behavior.

>>40771377
>>40767284
I don't understand what you guys get by denying agp. Sure, blanchard was wrong about certain things but that doesn't mean we should throw away the baby with the bath water. Why are you guys suppressing the experience of those who self identity as autogynephiles?

>>40771427
>For gynephilic women, sexual responses are typically gender-specific at most stages of sexual response. For androphilic women, a more textured pattern is revealed. Androphilic women show gender non specificity in early stimulus processing, and more gender specificity in later stimulus processing. Mixed specificity effects have been observed for affective response. Specificity of genital and subjective sexual response follows from stimulus processing, with androphilic women showing gender-non-specific genital response, similar to early stimulus processing effects, and more gender-specific subjective response, similar to later stimulus processing.
>Patterns of genital and subjective sexual response are sensitive to stimulus cues and context, with sexual activities, relationship context, and power dynamics also influencing response, typically obscuring gender-specific genital response among androphilic women.
>In sum, androphilic women’s early stimulus processing, genital response, autonomic responses, and responsive solitary sexual desire is gender-nonspecific, whereas their later stimulus processing, affective, and subjective responses, reward area activation, and responsive partnered desire are more gender-specific. We can therefore conclude that the specificity of women’s sexual response may be modulated by individual differences in sexual attractions and stimulus composition.
read a book nigga

>>40771427
>>40771438
OP here. Yeah that...doesn't describe my sexuality at all. My sexuality is very gender specific--I need a man to be involved to get aroused, at any level.

>>40771474
ok, you are dumb
gynephilic men show primary and secondary sexual attraction toward women
androphilic men show primary and secondary sexual attraction toward men
gynephilic women show primary (to a lesser extent) and secondary sexual attraction toward women
androphilic women do not experience specific primary attraction and instead experience secondary attraction toward men as the "main" form of attraction

>>40771474
>specific--I
no way, its a larp

>>40771376
Look I'm just saying I've seen it happens tons of times: tranny swears up and down she's as straight as can be and actually winds up liking pussy once they stop feeling like shit and dysphoric all the time.
>>40771377
trvke
>>40771435
It's not even so much that agp isn't real but that the idea of the "agp vs hsts" binary is fake and gay and the culture around it is even faker and gayer. All trannies are agp to some degree and this doesn't mean there aren't still creepy troons or pretenders, but calling every hon or Yaniv or cwc agp is a gross misnomer and going to cause a lot of internal damage long term

>>40771567
???
I hate being accused of being ingenuine when I'm being open and vulnerability.

>>40771581
Ok cool. That's not me though

>>40771151
agp is not trans neither dysphoric, to be trans you need to be dysphoric, agp is just gross ppl with a fetish

>>40772270
That's not how it works

>>40772270
AGPs are the more dysphoric of the two Blanchardian transwomen types

>>40772270
dysphoria is just fetishist frustration

Gatekeeping HRT is a mistake. It should really be OTC.
Some ppl are gonna take it and don't like it, others will and they will keep taking it and pursue surgeries.
There are no dichotomies here - no truetrans / faketrans, HSTS / AGP divide. It's all just ppl for whom transition either works or it doesn't.
What's important at the end of the day is that you feel better about yourself.

>>40772483
youre retarted if you think agp are trans women, they are not dysphoric due the euphoria of using womens clothes, the perversity of being despised as one

>>40773407
Even Blanchard disagrees with you. Please actually do some reading instead of regurgitating the zeitgeist's idea of what's going on.

>>40772540
you're a retarted nigga faggot who got raped by your uncle and turned into a miserable human caring homossexualism

bump for non non byori

>>40766942 (OP)
completely normal most agps are indistinguishable from a straight woman

>>40766942 (OP)
YES ME i thought i was the only one.
>>40767426
this is how i feel attraction too for the most part. i do want a vagina though and have bottom dysphoria

>>40770357
Fascinating! Im enthralled by sexuality variation :D
have you noticed any other differences between 'straight' and bi girls?

>>40766942 (OP)
>Anyone else here AGP but only into [cis] men?
No but its ok to be that way if you're hot.
>>40767236
I'm only into women (female) and women (male)

>>40772609
hrt can cause heart attack

>>40771205
>All mtfs are bi to some degree
Holy fucking shit you are such a faggot
>pseudoscience to fit people into a reductive category
Kinda similar to how you're reductively claiming that any mtf's claim to 100% androphilia or gynephilia is just them being a fuckshit bisexual repper who just needed to transition to become comfy? Some people don't like pussy, bitch, please realize your sample size is not unrelated to ummmm I dunno you being this way?

>>40777582
>Some people don't like pussy, bitch
Even gay men are pretty onboard with FtMs without bottom surgery

>>40777811
Is your claim that all amabs like pussy?

>>40777889
My claim is that pretty much everyone does and people who say otherwise are either repressing or performative

>>40777904
hi i don't like pussy even when im in agp mode. even pre transition when i was trying to be a straight boy i never looked at pussy or watched porn or wanted to have sex with women or anything

>>40777904
>pretty much everyone likes pussy
Does the same go for cock?

>>40768815
If you have a penis you are not a woman. You do not have anything even approximating the brain of a woman if you keep your penis

>>40777985
No.

>>40771007
>your sexuality is somewhat normal for women
Why do anons on 4chan act like the experts in (real) women’s sexuality

The way you “women” talk about female genitalia trying to prove how “straight” you are just reveals how male your brains are through and through. any other cisfs in the thread notice this?

>>40778073
>t. incel

yeah you are weird i've never heard anyone be like this before, i think i get what you're saying though. this makes more sense to me than normal agp

>>40778143
it's sour grapes

>>40778609
I am a cis female, female sexuality is my lived experience and i dont have to infer from science journals. Dont project your lack of a sex life onto others

>>40780306
>cis female

>>40778143
i don't think people even talk about female genitalia esp since the axe wound horror stories

>>40780644
>i don't think people even talk about female genitalia

In this thread alone we have:
>Zero interest in women, gay male vaginal disgust
>I'm not into vagina even a little bit
>Im disgusted by vaginas but okay with penises
>i don't like pussy even when im in agp mode
These are men who consider themselves women yet hate the most fundamentally woman part that all cis females have. The language they use to describe that speaks volumes about their psyche

>>40780644
SRS and biovaginas are both axe wounds tho

>>40781068
OP here, notice how I never called myself a trans woman, you projected that onto me as a cudgel.

>>40781078
Ok ur off the hook then. All the others still think theyre women though

>>40781417
I still present as one so not really

>>40769280
Female brained sexual attraction is to be gynephilic. Only 5% of females are androphilic.

>>40771062
>androphilic
You describe yourself attracted to penis, that alone makes you androphilic and its normal for homosexual men.

Cis women are pretty repulsed by penises and rather watch vaginas. Only homosexual males like penis.

>>40782429
>>40782386
Straight cis women literally love dick and will do the stupidest things for it. Do you not remember the whole gray sweatpants thing? “Straight Women love penis” should not be controversial

>>40782461
Straight women don't love dick. Why do don't they watch porn that has dick? Why do hetero women watch pretty much only lesbian porn? Why are most searched porn actors for females all other women?

Only gay males love dick. Dick does nothing good for women. Penetration feels pretty ok at best and you cannot even orgasm from that

>>40767426
this is literally normal straight woman sexuality idiot. thats why tons of straight girls watch lesbian or solo girl porn, they like seeing the woman getting pleasured because they imagine it for themselves. or they read erotica because visual images of men dont do it for them lol

>>40782666
Cool. I rather conspicuously don't like lesbian or solo woman porn. Nice cope but it doesn't remotely apply to me.

>>40782692
you dont have to like them obviously not all straight women like them just its an example of how its very normal to like men for what they can do

>>40782666
This person is repulsed by vagina so it is not a normal straight woman sexuality.
He just has a fetish.

>>40782713
He likes penis so he is an androphilic Homosexual man.

>>40782522
I literally watch porn only for the penises and when i fantasize i just imagine my bfs penis. None of my hetero girl friends watch lesbo porn that feels like a weird cope. I am a cis female lurker here. But lowkey i am agp

>>40782768
Im sure you are a real cis woman.
Stats don't lie tho, most women love lesbian porn.

>>40781068
hi im
>i don't like pussy even when im in agp mode
i only meant specifically a sense of attraction and desire to have sex. i don't feel any of that from female genitalia. i don't "hate" it at all though and want to get srs, i just am genuinely not gynephilic

>>40767426
>I'm basically a fetishist
AGP is not a fetish. It's a sexuality. You're not dirty nor disgusting.

>>40783275
I am pretty different from even other AGPs. I am extremely dirty and disgusting. My sexuality doesn't resemble anything like a proper human's, instead it's this weird esoteric Thing.
And I'm lying to other people by saying "I'm straight" or even "I'm gay," because I'm really just a degenerate.

>>40783542
>extremely dirty and disgusting.
I don't know if I want to know more

>>40784261
I mean it's just what I described in the thread.

>>40767426
>nothing other than big cock and armpits.

Ah, I was like you once. I don’t know anymore if I ever was AGP or if it’s all been some kind of Stockholm syndrome. It started with their dicks, their forearms, their smell.

Then came their thick fingers and wide palms.

Then their pecs, then their bellies and thighs, then their tree-trunk necks and feeling the bush of their beards as we kiss.

It doesn’t stop anon. Not for some of us. I legit don’t know who I am anymore. This has happened over the course of a decade, 3 years on HRT. The men I once aspired to be have become more than what they can do for/to me but genuine affection for all kinds of men, and loving their resolve, sense of humor, presence, groundedness, empathy. All of it. Yes big rugby types make me fall to my knees but even my chiefly friends put my heart in a chokehold from time to time.

>>40785320
*chuddy, not chiefly

>>40766942 (OP)
I am cis man helo

>>40785320
I mean I like hands too but that's still a very AGP, non-direct thing for me. I like them "because of what they can do."

>>40784898
Sorry, it's hard to follow with Id tags

>>40777439
Why?
I'm curious.
Are AGP more women than trannies?

>>40786208
Every amab is the same distance from “woman” just the dysphoria levels and sexual attraction differ between hsts, agps, and whatever else made up categories

>>40781417
I think you're underestimating how many agps & twinks & enbies & such here have no conception of themselves as women, but are still trans or reppers in some sense, and have a lot of opinions & thought patterns that sound like tgirls'.

>>40789975
Taking hormones doesn't make me a woman any more than gluing feathers to my body makes me a bird.

>>40789975
I think that’s true for some amabs on hrt, especially those who are more self reflective, but there are tons of (what i would consider) enbys who will throw a fit if you dont say they have the mind body and soul of an afab yet they want to keep their penis and have visible male traits and thinking patterns.

>>40791582
And the amabs on HRT have male traits and thinking patterns and want to keep their penis too. What's your point

reminder that OP is larping btw

>>40791606
I'm not. Idk how I can prove it, but it's hurtful when I'm being genuine and feel isolated and I get accused of role playing.

AGP is a curse for someone attracted to the female body. I fucking hate that I was born this way. I didnt ask for this fetish. Sigh.... guess it could be worse.

I often want cock up my ass but im not attracted to men, I only like the female body. This is such a fucked up fetish to have, its like trying to be both male and female at the same time. WTF.

>>40791665
Ok so that has absolutely nothing to do with the premise of the thread, narcissist.

OP is touching her pleasure stick right now btw

>>40791686
I never use my penis for anything other than peeing. Stop making up a guy and saying "this is you." It's dehumanizing and rude.

my one qualm about ftm's is the lack of a cis penis because you don't get the sensation of them pumping cum in you.
that's why i prefer cis men.

>>40791593
My point is that these people are just fucked up men. Your point seems to be that that most trannies are not delusional but are honest with themselves about the reality of their situation, which i disagree with but maybe we see two different sample groups

>>40791686
Weirdly enough, when I AGPing, I don't masturbate. I touch my body and the pleasure comes from there.

>>40791665
It's not a fetish.
It's a sexuality.
It's not Dirty nor freakish.
It's your sexual orientation and it formed long before you were even aware you existed. It was formed as a defense mechanism.

>>40792013
>It was formed as a defense mechanism.

OP here. Looking for a bf that isn't afraid of giving oral.

>>40792067
Your toddler mind associated feeling feminine with safety. Then when puberty kicked in, it just built up on what it was there already

>>40792075
Kill yourself

>>40792154
I think you're trying to armchair psychologist. No, if anything it was always and continues to be that expressing femininity is dangerous, if anything. I'm a guy.

>>40792178
>Kill yourself
Please don't say that. It's dehumanizing and rude.

>>40792193
Rope.

>>40766942 (OP)
Do cross dressing cis twinks count as AGP? I've never kissed a woman, vaginal disgust checks out, very much like men.
The thing is I only get erotic pleasure from crossdressing and have no genuine interest in being a woman or particularly feminine beyond normal subby gay bottom stuff.

>>40792178
I'm only sharing my perspective, because that's how I see things. And believe me, I've struggled with this thing for so long and I'm finally accepting this. There's no use in hating yourself for something that's not your fault. And yes, perhaps I 'm assuming too much about you. I should've said "in my experience", and "I think I'm like this because..." So apologies.
But I've been where you are, and I've spent all my life hiding this, and hating myself and having anxiety. But thinking about it , it's bit my fault. My earliest memory about women, was being fascinated by female Olympic gymnasts on tv. It Barcelona 92, and I was a toddler, and I wanted to be them, totally innocent as a toddler can be, and I wanted to be pretty like them

>>40792203
Make your own thread please. Narcissist.

>>40792288
It's fine. Just have theory of mind and recognize that your experience isn't universal. You're doing that so I appreciate it.

>>40792281
Yes

>>40792393
Xd

>>40792424
Understood.
It's just a bit heartbreaking to see that you're hating yourself.
I wanted to help you hate you less.

>>40792440
If I were normal I wouldn't. I'm not even trans just a weird unlikable freak. 0 friends, can't date without practically grooming an adult man, 0 value. If I say I'm straight I'm lying, if I say I'm bi I'm lying, if I say I'm gay I'm lying. I'm not even human.

>>40792650
;_;

>>40792650
Don't hate yourself.
As long as you don't abuse people, you're good.

>>40794170
Grooming my best friend into dating me after I trooned out is abuse

>>40794241
Then work on yourself to be better.
Forgive yourself and make the effort to respect peoples boundaries

>>40766942 (OP)
I guess I'm the same? Intrinsically, I'm "gynephilic" but I'm disgusted by women. I'm not into men at all but I'm somehow super drawn to them because I feel like only they could properly love me, only that way it would feel right.
I don't really care about that but I'm worried I'll get a bf and he'll realize I don't love him that way.

>>40795278
I mean I'd still be benefitting from it. IT's too late now.

>>40795340
That's not at all like what I experience, no.

OP here. I have accepted myself and am now HSTS. Thanks for the help everyone.

>>40766942 (OP)
>be me
>be autogynephilic
>get crushes on men
>4chan says I don't exist
>???

>>40796547
Glad we helped, sweetheart

>>40796455
>mean I'd still be benefitting from it. IT's too late now.
Then do the right thing and come clean.