Thread 40778743

>"The OPM memo states that all health plans for government workers must cover faith-based approaches to gender dysphoria while banning gender affirming care coverage."

someone please do it already

>>40778743 (OP)
"It"?

>>40778748
Op obviously meant to gather plaintiffs as part of a class action lawsuit against the office of personnel management

>>40778743 (OP)
You won’t do shit, none of you will. Mald

>>40779280
We'll thug it out and put you in the camps. This is temporary

>>40779285
Which is precisely why you will never gain any power or momentum in any sort of real hostilities. I just find it comical when tiny micro minorities act and behave like they have any sort of real influence on the ground when it comes to real power. Those powerful institutions were only using you as a stepping stone for their own destructive implements, when they’re gone or reorganized, you have nothing left but less than half a percent of the population that can be extinguished effortlessly like a match in a gust of wind

>>40779312
I wish trannies understood just how many people deeply hate them and want them in camps. Like, we are absolutely not kidding around.

>>40779312
yeah no we're cooked if it comes down to it. we're as small a piece of the population as jews were in nazi germany

>>40779328
>we're cooked
based
and trannies will be smug about it up until it's finally happening
trannies will never cede a fucking inch of their ideology even to save their lives

>>40778743 (OP)
>faith-based approaches

>>40779317
Thing I don’t actually want to put anyone in camps because that would just draw more attention to a group that thrives off and largely exists by being perpetual whiny problem causing vectors for nations and societies now and in history. Also, as much as most people hold distain for trannies or don’t care enough to see them gone, very few people would actually support any sort of mass imprisonment or extermination. Keep fear mongering about the trans “genocide” that will never come, because many of you almost want it to be true, would validate their whole existence in a way. Works to aid on further alienation from the general normie population. It is much more effective and sustainable to just slowly bury the hatchet and smother the flame.
>>40779328
Cooked or so back? I guess it depends on who you ask. But nothing ever happens anyway

>>40779330
what cessions would have appeased you?
>>40779371
cooked if you ask me, im not looking forward to potentially having to leave the country

>>40778743 (OP)
>>40779285
I don't agree with denying adult federal employees GAC, but the whole
>ermm just wait sweaty, we'll put you chuds in the camps soon
thing is so retarded. That's the aura that makes typically "live and let live" normies want to hate crime you.
You're 1% of the population, have some self preservation.

>>40779399
>im not looking forward to potentially having to leave the country
Same, I save every penny I can and plan on WWOOF'ing the years away until somewhere safe opens up or I decide where I want to risk being an illegal in.

>>40779399
ban on cross sex hormones for all ages
ban on any sort of social punishment for "misgendering"
ban on any compelled speech/forced pronouns
basically as long as you can't legally take hrt and I don't have to pretend you are a woman I don't care

>>40779466
>ban on cross sex hormones for all ages
actually justify this, THOUGH

>>40779480
It is a ban on hondosing and a mandate to be gay and do crime with DIY.

>>40779399
>what cessions would have appeased you?
bans on gac for minors or at least pre-16
bans on trans competitors in womens sports at high school or above
no compelled speech expectations or laws
no self-serving erosion of sex definition (gametes) or conflating with differentiation

>>40779487
i'd like to hear it from tourist, over here, as much as i appreciate the irony

>>40779399
Shutting the fuck up and removing yourself from the public conscience. Pre 2000s sounds about right, take whatever drugs you want to take an ideally there shouldn’t need to be any laws made about such a small tiny minority if they keep themselves anyway, like they should. But here we are

>>40779466
>ban on any sort of social punishment for "misgendering"
you realize what "social punishment" is, right? who am i kidding, of course you do. all rightoids want to force people to like them, classic NPD

>>40779528
>NPD
Tranny armchair diagnosing NPD on others, pootery

>>40779552
if it makes you feel any better i was about to tell anon that i think it's less an NPD thing and more of a cognitive-dissonance-and/or-inability-to-self-reflect thing which is arguably worse, but i didn't think it was worth posting.
essentially i see you guys like whining seven-year-olds, on the whole. just kinda wacky that you are so many

>>40779480
I am against the promotion of chemical castration for the gender non conforming.

>>40779588
>essentially i see you guys like whining seven-year-olds
Mhmm.

>>40779592
in the landadafree?
>>40779593
elaborate, please, on what you're implying here

>>40779601
People are deciding to chemically castrate themselves under immense social pressure to do so from others.

>>40779601
>elaborate, please, on what you're implying here
The same thing implied here >>40779552

>>40779506
>if they keep to themselves
is it problematic for me to go out with my cis family?

>>40779621
>i'm against.............peer pressure
man......maybe you should just learn to take some responsibility lol
>>40779635
would you spell it out for me, though? i'm a little slow and i want to understand your thinking. please?

>>40779466
Add a ban on homosexuality and sodomy punishable by death and I'm with you

>>40779654
>would you spell it out for me, though?
Nope

>>40779691
why not? :( i thought we were having a conversation. why'd you come here if you didn't wanna talk?

>>40779726
Because he's a bitter rephon faggot

>>40779738
this is far more charitable than i was willing to be desu..

>>40779726
>why'd you come here if you didn't wanna talk?
Why do people go to the zoo?

>>40779793
i'm not sure, anon. why don't you tell me? you're asking me an awful lot of questions when we've been talking about YOUR views this whole time.

>>40779808
I'm not the anon that offered views, which you'd know if you could read post styles and weren't a nonce

>>40779330
>trannies will never cede a fucking inch of their ideology
you think it's an ideology because you're a retard.
it's a medical condition.
so either mental health is an ideology (making you a scientologist), or transgenderism isn't like feminism because it's like diabetes.

>>40779825
>it's a medical condition
Should a dysphoria diagnosis be required to transition?

>>40779818
but this whole conversation has revolved around my asking for your thoughts. which you seem happy to provide, obliquely. i just don't see why it's so hard for you to speak plainly.
though, i should not have phrased my question that way because it isn't you asking the questions, but rather refusing to do much of the mental legwork, here.
>>40779827
no, but it's generally a pretty bad idea to do it if you haven't got a reason.
landadafree, and all.

>>40779831
>no
Then being trans isn't a medical condition.

>>40779835
i am not the anon with whom you were speaking but those two things are not mutually exclusive. i ought to be able to get adderall, otc, as well.

>>40779841
>i ought
That signifies ideology. In this case, that you deserve access to currently prescription meds over the counter.
Other anon denied trans includes ideology. Yet there's an obvious example case: "people ought be able to transition even if they don't have dysphoria."

>>40779856
my ideology is freedom to choose. you are either being intellectually dishonest or misunderstanding me

>>40779827
i think one year rle should be required to get a gender dysphoria diagnosis and access to hrt.
no more fakers.

>>40779872
>become a social pariah for access to the drugs which would make this process less likely to make you a pariah
there is a reason we moved past this, nonny...

I could give a shit less about LGBT anyone but "faith based treatment" is a hell of a fucking precedent to set. I'm good on that shit dawg. I don't need a faith based chemo routine or hip replacement later on down the line when that's all that happens to be available.

>>40779865
>my ideology is freedom to choose
Sure, of which OTC access to prescription meds like Adderall is an instance of.
Doesn't change that trans involves ideology.

>>40779888
the christian nationalists aren't going to spare anyone
the retards that are for this idea don't understand that this is like step 3 of the plan to turn them and their children into an uneducated underclass of eternal serfs for tech billionaires
wcyd

>>40779889
so what ideology are we talking about, here, if you are no longer satisfied with the idea that gender dysphoria is a mental condition
>inb4 "you used different words"
for the sake of clarity, here, gender dysphoria is the mental condition; transitioning is the treatment

>>40779913
The same ideology that supports transition and trans identity without gender dysphoria.
Aka the set of beliefs or positions that accompany trannydom generally that have nothing to do with dysphoria.

>>40779917
i already told you that my ideology, in this respect, is freedom of choice. freedom TO choose. more or less i believe in legal freedom to do whatever the fuck you want so long as it does not place those around you in harm's way. twist that however you like but i'm sure you know what i mean.

>>40779928
I don't care what your personal ideology is. I dont need to care about your personal ideology. All I wanted to do is demonstrate that trans identity includes ideology and I have done so.

>>40779939
can you give me an example of literally anything which does not include "ideology"? your belief in the invalidity of transgenderism is ideological. what is this conversation, if we can't be honest about what we're discussing?

>>40779955
>can you give me an example of literally anything which does not include "ideology"?
The existence of gender dysphoria and its sole treatment being transition, which are factual and don't require belief.

>>40779970
i'm thinking again that you may have misread something here, unless you are saying that it really is irrefutable fact that there is no other treatment for gender dysphoria besides transition, which seems inconsistent with your beliefs

>>40779977
You don't know my beliefs, you've simply injected your own caricatures.
It's entirely consistent to point out that trannies adhere to a generally common ideological framewpek that has nothing to do with the factual existence of dysphoria or transition as a treatment, while also acknowledging dysphoria and transition exist.

>>40779989
nonny i don't even know anymore why we're having this conversation if we agree that gender dysphoria is both real and currently has only one treatment option
my understanding of your beliefs stems from this >>40779330
>based
statement, and everything which followed it

what do you believe, then, so that i do not misunderstand, myself?

So >>40779835 wasn't you then?

>>40780013
no lmao

>>40780008
>my understanding of your beliefs stems from this >>40779330 #
>>based
>statement, and everything which followed it
That's not me.
This is, though >>40779818 might be worth a re-read

>>40780029
>what do you believe, then, so that i do not misunderstand, myself?
so...?

>>40780037
>what do you believe,
That being trans is ideological in the general case.

>>40780057
Its anti gay conversion therapy

>>40780057
i'm not sure that i understand what the argument is here, then. i believe all choices are inherently supported by ideology, for instance that if i believe that it is best for me to not die, i should probably drink water. we agree.

>>40780098
Chemical castration is never necessary for happiness in physically healthy people.

>>40780103
we are still agreeing here

>>40780098
What you're describing is a nth-order cause. What I'm describing is a first-order cause.
Becoming trans in the general case means adopting a belief structure that has very little to do with transition or dysphoria.

>>40780208
what is "the general case"

>>40780188
So theres no reason to take hrt.

>>40780259
The case that is so common as to set the pattern for recognition

>>40780283
brain is a physical, therefore gender dysphorics aren't "physically healthy"

>>40780283
i take issue with
1. the strict belief that hormonal transition is tantamount to chemical castration and 2. your use of the word "physically"
which makes this whole conversation a real bitch to have in really clear terms.
i don't usually like to speak in absolutes, but it doesn't seem logical that anyone should need to undergo hormone replacement therapy, or be chemically castrated, using both of these terms literally, for their happiness if they are physically healthy. i can't think of any reason. gender dysphoria is a mental condition. psychic unwellness. for this, someone might pursue hormone replacement therapy, or "chemical castration" (cacophemistically), or chemical castration (literally). currently, transitioning is the only known treatment for gender dysphoria, and this does not necessarily need to be hormonal, but in many cases (mine) the hormones are necessary. i don't want to be a woman; i want to be female. social transition would not alleviate any pain for me, but hormones have.
>>40780318
but what is that case, though, is what i'm asking. i want to know that i know what we're talking about

>>40778743 (OP)
GOOD! No more transing the gay away

>>40780416
based

>>40780416
let's aids it away instead, like in the good ol days

>>40779312
That's stupid, actually taking time and effort to "extinguish" trannies would take an enourmous amount of resources for very little gain, no intelligent state apparatus would risk it. Trannies don't need to win in a fucking head to head revolution or anything of the sort, merely making their persecution economically, practically and morally unfeasible. There's a reason none of the many states that actually ban transition actually put any effort into actually enforcing those bans. Passive resistance goes a long way.
>>40779939
>People typically believe in things that advance their own personal interests
Actual genius over here y'all
>>40780208
Transition is good a priori and is therefore a nth order cause.
Prove. Me. Wrong.

>>40780514
Being homophobic doesn’t make gay men women.

>>40780188
>>40780360
ooh, i realize that i've thought about this all wrong. hormone replacement therapy would be used to treat physically healthy individuals who are not mentally well. i was conflating things here as i was working through it in my brain (see above admission of slowness). sorry. anyhow aside from my saying that physically healthy people should never need hormones, what i said here is what i had wanted to get across. no longer take issue with the use of the word "physically"

>>40779280
Well I’m not a government employee so idc

>>40780588
stop castrating people to punish them for being same sex attracted

>>40778743 (OP)
Why don't transgenders just take the conversation therapy ? It's probably better then what has happened to other transgenders.
Transitioning has not helped people, it actually has made people worse.
If you're transgender and arrested you should convert back and be denied HRT and any medical for gender changes.

Every thread that attracts chuds/gincels makes my migraines flare up. First it's trannies are all agp fetishist straight men and then it's trannies are dragging away gay men and lesbians and shouting TAKE THE FUCKING HORMONES with a gun to their head.
>>40780613
It's not like government employees can't afford the minor hit to their salary to pay for hormones out of pocket anyway.
>>40780613
>bro just try conversion therapy it really works it'll make you happy
t. has never spoken to a soul who actually tried conversion therapy.

>>40780600
this is going to be really hard bc then i would have to start doing that in the first place which i have some ethical qualms with :(

>>40779466
>ban on cross sex hormones for all ages
How else are people expected to transition?
>ban on any sort of social punishment for "misgendering"
There never was any official punishment for this. If you're complaining about how other people might see you as a hateful piece of shit for spewing hateful opinions, take it up with those people I can't control them
>ban on any compelled speech/forced pronouns
This was never a thing
>basically as long as you can't legally take hrt and I don't have to pretend you are a woman I don't care
So as long as I don't do the thing that allows me to have a normal life and I expect to be permanently treated as a leper, you'll accept it? Damn someone should have told the jews all they had to do was just go along with the nazi's maximalist demands and they would have been killed in a much more orderly fashion

>>40780726
That comment was so laughable, the epitome of the sort of transphobic victim blaming these types love to do
>Just accept [unnaceptable outcome] and we won't enact [same unnaceptable outcome]
Negotiation skills of a toddler
Anyway, picrel

>>40780745
>Negotiation skills of a toddler
No, they're just making bad faith arguments and daring you to use the canon liberal language to denounce them (transphobic, victim blaming) so they can act indignant and use the buzzwords against you after propagandizing hard enough to convince a vocal minority that you're the insane one

>>40779638
If you pass and don’t cause trouble that isn’t a problem here is is it?

>>40779317
have you considered getting a life or going outside

>>40779466
>ban on any sort of social punishment
lmao
are you 12
i can't believe these people exist

>>40780745
why are the lowest IQ people in charge
did China do this?
literally every first world country laughing, baffled and horrified at the same time

>>40780613
retard

>>40778743 (OP)
The death of the Abrahamic religions cannot come soon enough.

>>40780613
>Transitioning has not helped people, it actually has made people worse.
all research says the complete opposite... where do you get the nerve?

>>40779900
The best part is cissoids won’t care. They’re fucking delulu. Trannies like me will just do DIY and live off grid if it comes to it. Cissoids have to live in the society they built, though.

They don’t understand. We can live in opposition to society because we’ve always been hated. They cannot live without society because they’re sheltered and have never experienced true hardship or hatred. If a draft comes, you think trannies won’t just run? But cissoids still have to keep up the act while their shitty retarded normie society falls apart into the chaos of nature and war.

>>40783141
This would sound more plausible if troons weren't constantly threatening to kill themselves to get what they want.

>>40783199
59% still truck on so what’s your point? People are obviously suicidal when life is a hellhole. How many cissoids would blow their own heads off if the food and water stopped flowing? If they get an alert on their phones that icbms are striking targets nearby and to take cover?
>we made the world an insufferable shithole! You lost tranny!
Is not a god damn argument. You live in this world too.

>>40783217
>How many cissoids would blow their own heads off if the food and water stopped flowing? If they get an alert on their phones that icbms are striking targets nearby and to take cover?
You need food and water and no ICBMs going off too. It's not just a comparatively normal person thing.

>>40778748
start a transcentric officially recognized religion whose faith based treatment is hrt and surgeries

>>40778743 (OP)
thoughts and prayers <3

>>40783225
Plenty of cis people around the world live without a steady access to food and water.

Remember when they openly stated their goal was to eradicate trans people

>>40786483
But I thought you always existed and it's impossible to make you stop happening, so how is that a threatening statement and not complete nonsense?

>>40786543
You people always resort to bad faith because you know that your ideology is built on lies.

>>40786885
Projection.

>>40778743 (OP)
shit if theyre gonna pay for it maybe ill try conversion therapy for the laughs
gotta get ready for the next grift after the scales tip the other way again