Thread 40795856

Would a cis woman have a male voice if you socialized her only with males for her entire childhood?

>>40795856 (OP)
no of course not. she would likely have masculine vocal mannerisms though

>>40795861
What if you raised a flamer gay guy on an island of only men?

>>40795915
they would have a fagcent of course

>>40797992
even with no female socialization?

>>40797992
holy COPE COPE COPE

>>40800109
t. queen of the AGPs

>>40800113
how are masculine vocal mannerisms learned but feminine vocal mannerisms innate
this is literally weapons grade copium do you even know how people learn language

>>40800125
>learned
I didn't say or imply that
I think vocal characteristics (and behavior in general) is mostly genetic

>>40800140
>she would likely have masculine vocal mannerisms though

>>40800145
Oh sorry, that was a different anon.

>>40797992
You are creating this "fagcent" thing from whole cloth solely to make trans women self conscious.

>>40800140
throats generally arent very unique. accents including the gay one aren’t due to your throat but do to your speaking habits. if you’re trans though with a gay accent i would suggest voice training if you value passing

>>40800273
>throats generally arent very unique
what

>>40800276
they’re not very unique, some are larger some go higher or lower sure, even that can be trained though, unless you have a condition. your throat genetics won’t give a gay accent, it’s behavioral

>>40800303
um voices have a ton of variety you are insane
also, behavior is genetic too

>>40800324
voices yes, throats no

>>40800337
all of it

>>40800379
no <3

>>40800486
yes

>>40800508
nuh uh

Yes. The tone of voice is actually learned, you copy it from those you have contact with. Same happens with your accent

>>40795861
OH y'all mean a deep voice? Nah, that shit's hormonal

>>40801935
proofs?

>>40800125
>do you even know how people learn language
Nobody really knows that actually, it's a thing a lot of people study and have studied without being able to come to a conclusion.

But yeah, the "fagcent" clearly is cultural, it's even a very specific pattern of vocal inflection that wasn't super widespread (among even cisf) before the 1980s.

>>40801998
fagcent is genetic

>>40802940
No it's not. You can't even define fagcent beyond
>I recognize it when I hear it
>No, that voice you think is fagcent isn't fagcent because I am going to label it agp instead, which I will also not define.

>>40795856 (OP)
idk but I was homeschooled and came out of puberty sounding like a cis woman so maybe

>>40801998
i think it’s mostly a white/american male thing, it’s rare for cis women to have it, even if they’re white.

>>40802971
fagcent means feminine vocal patterns at a male pitch retard

>>40803138
It means intersex vocal patterns.

>>40803138
That definition completely fucks over your claims that trans women can't have it, retard.

>>40797992
Absolutley not, fagcent is learned through being surrounded with only women
If you are surrounded by only men you would subconsiously learn to speak like one
t. fag with fagcent
>>40801950
>proof
You stupid autist do i need to link a fucking graph so you can form an opinion ?

>>40803320
fagcent isn’t learned - ur just homophobic and want to invalidate gays

>>40803153
i’ve never met an intersex person with the fagcent, and i’ve met a lot of intersex people
>>40803138
no it doesn’t, it’s an over exaggeration of some aspects, women dont really talk like that except for one specific archetype that most girls avoid sounding like. it’s flamboyant and feminine in terms of men, but in women it produces a much more masculine sound, even if you voice trained

>>40803426
This contradicts your own definition of fagcent you just gave. >>40803138. I TOLD you that you couldn't define it :^)

>>40803514
that was someone else
fagcent is intersex voice, nobody is denying any trannies have it - I am denying you have it

>>40803573
You sound upset.

>>40803101
Wrong. "Fagcent" is basically HRT which is most common among American and Australian women born after 1965.

>>40803426
>homophobic
>invalidate gays
REEEEEEEEEEE
YOU BITCH
I AM A GAY MAN
FOR 25 YEARS
SOCIALIZED AROUND ENTIRELY WOMEN
I learned to speak this way by consuming ENTIRELY female media
You think indian babies are born with an indian accent you imbecile? IT IS LEARNED

>>40803573
fagscent is definitely not “intersex voice” thats not how intersex works… most intersex people’s voices are the same but just get more masculine much more slowly

trannies just say their fagscent is “intersex” and “female vocal patterns” to cope. an autistic males idea of what women sound like

> female vocal patterns
Yes, subconsciously LEARNED and adopted through exposure the same way a british nigger speaks in an accent despite being AFRICAN

>>40803776
That is how intersex works.

>>40803776
Nah they sound like women.

>>40804328
literally no - gay voice is in between male and female voice but closer to a male one
that's what REALLY pisses off conservative, trannies, terfs, everyone who isn't gay - that gays are intersex *but* closer to their birth sex - and people want to act like that can't happen cuz it ruins their precious binary they cling to for dear life

>>40805045
No the trans women, not the flamers. THEY sound like women

>>40806058
clearly not

>>40806082
Clearly yes.

>>40806058
10 Flamers sound more like a women than all trans women

>>40806110
ur painfully autogynephilic

>>40806119
No they don't

>>40806127
No I'm not, stay mad.

>>40806287
yeah u r

>>40806295
No I'm not :^)

>>40803887
lol
>>40805045
under what definition do u think gay men are intersex?
>>40806058
maybe if you’re autistic, or have a weird definition of woman. almost no trans women get passing voices, especially ones with fagscent

>>40809012
>maybe if you’re autistic, or have a weird definition of woman.
No, specifically for normies and their definition of woman.

>almost no trans women get passing voices,
Literally all of them who voice train do, and most of the ones who don't.

>especially ones with fagscent
Per your definition fagcent here >>40803138, fagcent would bring the baseline voice CLOSER to cis female voice.

>>40809368
i promise, not to normal people. i think it’s just harder for autistic people to pick up nuances in vocal qualities, including gender. i’ve never heard a passing voice with fagscent.

if you think all the ones who voice train pass, this reaffirms my belief that you can’t detect nuance in voice

that’s not my definition, thats someone else. fagcent doesn’t bring it closer to female, it’s just more animated, overly so. fagcent makes the voice darker, it adds a ton of vocal fry, and almost all i hear with it have weight/resonance issues

>>40809012
>under what definition do u think gay men are intersex?
gay men have feminized looking bones - if you look at a gay man some of them have distinctly different facial shapes - not to mention behavior and voices

>>40800113
this fagcent stuff is so silly anon are you the same one posting this every time? like all of the different threads and things?
most cis women don't even talk like that

>>40810904
>most cis women don't even talk like that
yeah, it's an intersex leaning male voice, not a female voice

>>40810766
>i promise, not to normal people.
I promise, yes to normal people

>i’ve never heard a passing voice with fagscent.
Well yeah, passing voice is just a female voice; calling fagcent is redundant at that point.

>if you think all the ones who voice train pass, this reaffirms my belief that you can’t detect nuance in voice
Sounds like you have a skill issue

>it adds a ton of vocal fry
Lmao wat? It's completely the opposite.

>>40811570
fagcent isn’t a female voice, i hear plenty of trans women with fagcent and none pass

i can definitely assure you i don’t have a skill issue with voice training or worry about having a passing voice lol. it is still very unusual for trans women to get cis passing voices, especially if they don’t train away from fagcent. sometimes mine would come out a little and i had to learn to stop myself

yes a gay accent typically included a lot of vocal fry, they’re definitely not known for having smooth or soft voices >>40810913
trans women are so desperate to call themselves intersex. no a gay accent does not make you intersex LOL
>>40810809
that’s not what intersex means, but also that study is very limited. you can be as short as you want, it doesn’t make you intersex

>>40811862
>fagcent isn’t a female voice
Yeah, female voice isn't male voice. It's no longer fagcent if you are in female voice.

>it is still very unusual for trans women to get cis passing voices
It is extremely common.

>especially if they don’t train away from fagcent
Training away gay voice is actively counter productive to passing voice. Gay voice is traditionally female gender male sex voice; training away female gender only hinders you.

>they’re definitely not known for having smooth or soft voices
Wtf? That's EXACTLY what they're known for.

>>40812704
>It is extremely common.

>>40813017
I'm glad we could reach consensus

>>40812704
gay accent is a very male/masculine thing, it’s only considered feminine for men. women don’t talk like that, even if you made it more feminine, nor do they have soft smooth voices, when people think fagcent they think vocal fry. the voices that are close to women’s are the ones that are androgynous, not the gay accent ones, those are obviously male

it is not extremely common LOL not only is it not common, having a passing voice that isn’t strange or an outlier voice almost never happens in trans spaces. almost as delusional as “gay people are intersex”

you know what? just post a vocaroo, prove us wrong

>>40803742
I'm never around women and I have a major fagcent. Indians will always have a slight Indian affliction even when adoptingnthe acents of other nationalities. Indians sounds very different from other Americans even after Americanization of their children. Some fagcents are trained while others are innate.

>>40813120
gay people are intersex

>>40813247
it’s literally just a vocal mannerism, sometimes learned sometimes not. same with most other behaviors. has nothing to do with talking to women or intersex. if anything it’s the other way around where annoying girls who like rupaul will mimic it

>>40813284
no they’re not. it’s okay to not be intersex, it’s a very rare condition

>>40813369
Yes they are. Gay men have feminized bones and behavior.