Thread 40801683

How come Lesbians never get fooled like this?

>>40801683 (OP)
they are too busy groping women and grooming little kids without consequences to do that

>>40801683 (OP)
They don't go for hookups woth transwomen

>>40801683 (OP)
easy, they're not gay

>>40801683 (OP)
Lesbians know what real women look like

>>40801730
Seething agp rapehon hands wrote this

>>40801683 (OP)
because men just want to use us to get off and will kill us, lie about it, and get away with it because despite what radfems think trans women are not men under patriarchy so we get no benefit while they work tirelessly to remove any protections we might get.

>>40801683 (OP)
because this is very much a political prosecution and nobody cares to prosecute anyone on behalf of lesbians

>>40801990
No one owes you a relationship. Just wanting casual sex is perfectly fine and valid, even anti-patriachal. It is the result of the same sexual revolution that made your existence even viable. Having sex with another person and lying about your sex violating their consent, the same consent that you are supposed to value as someone who pretends to hate patriarchy. Being for equality is not a one way street. You can't oppose traditional norms only when it is convenient to you.

>>40801683 (OP)
The logical consequence of this style of prosecution is any deceit used to bed someone will be now "fraud" or criminal. Claiming to be taller, richer, more employed than you actually are, or using makeup, filters, bra padding, all now considered deceit to induce sex. Of course, it will never be applied to normal cis mating, which is rife with deceit, top to bottom.

>>40801683 (OP)
Good, rapists like this need to be executed

>>40801990
Stop dating homophobic rightwing men as a gay man, stupid!

>>40802075
So what? Suddenly you people care about how easy it is to ruin someone's life with a rape accusation now that the shoe is on the other foot? Cry me a fucking river.

>>40801683 (OP)
This is like a modern version of Gay Panic Defence lmfao, of course he knew, just regretted it after he busted….

>>40802132
Believe rape victims

>>40802108
The "shoe" never was and never will be on the foot of trans women, chuddie. Cops never believe trans women and belittle them to the point most trans women don't even go to the cops. You are thinking of cis (white) women privilege, which is real. There is no set of cops who go out of their way to help trans women, quite the opposite.

>>40802132
of course he knew, everybody knows "passing" is retarded honcope

>>40802154
Respect the consent of other people. If someone doesn't want to have sex with a tranny they have every right to deny them sex. This is a step forward in equality.

>>40802075
Canadian jurisprudence handled it pretty well.
Here, consent to sex is exclusively considered, well, consent to sex. No riders, additional terms, conditions, whatever can be attached to it. There's no, "sex, but only if money," or, "sex, but only if woman," or whatever. There is only consent to participating in the sex acts being considered.
If someone defrauds a prostitute, that's just fraud or such, but it's not a violation of consent (i.e. sexual assault).

>>40802132
Of course he knew, and he didn't even regret after he busted. He regretted it after his MATES found out about her and started giving him shit. He had to "save face"

>>40802154
>The "shoe" never was and never will be on the foot of trans women

Of course it is. For every case like this there are at least 100 poor smucks being false accused because some bitch tried to cover up the fact that she was cheating on her bf.

>>40802165
I don't consent to you wearing makeup. I don't consent to you wearing shoes with more than 1/2 inch lift. Moron.

>>40802075
most obvious example is that they'll never go after cis women for saying "oh no i'm on my period" when it's not true to avoid penetrative sex

>>40802180
are you sure?
i really was raped but i knew better than to involve the police in my life so i didn't do anything

>>40801683 (OP)
This is "her" btw

>>40802196
HOT

>>40802194
Can you explain to me why being victimized gives you suddenly the right to deny the rights of other rape victims just because they happen to share a gender with your rapist? Why aren't you on the side of the other victims?

>>40802196
bro, how could you not tell?

This is a good judgement. Only rapists would hate this type of legislation.

>>40802196
RIP to a real one she was too beautiful for this world

>>40802187
Stupid example. Denying someone access to something they have no reasonable expectation to access (her pussy) under false pretenses is not the same thing.

>>40802196
mogs me

When do men get to consent only to sex for procreation?
Abort the baby and it's rape.

>>40802207
Well if you ignoring the whinging moid, they absolutely can tell, they just pretend to be “tricked” to have sex with trannies, then when social repercussions come a knocking they claim they were mouth raped on the penis, a fantastically nonsensical notion.

>>40802206
i don't share a gender with him? i doubt he even knows i transitioned but i don't need the cops to find out and then decide it was somehow rape for me to be there
and even if they treat me normally the idea of having cops giving me to have a pelvic exam so they can "collect evidence" ie violate me isn't exactly exciting
>>40802227
maybe someone has a fetish for menstrual blood. the idea that this is based on some idea that someone might like/not like something rather than the actual facts (in either case: blowjob was offered and accepted) is insane.

>>40802075
>The logical consequence of this style of prosecution is any deceit used to bed someone will be now "fraud" or criminal
It's pretty obvious that some forms of lying have much larger and more substantive impacts than others. Like makeup is not actually a substantive form of lying as much as trannies would like to claim it is in these threads.

The most obvious is lying about having an STD. This causes direct physical harm to the victim. As far as I am aware though trannyism isn't contagious, but psychological harm is most certainly a factor in sexual assault cases. Often times rape victims were unconscious and faced no physical harm from the assault, yet this does not preclude them from being considered victims because there is immense psychological impact to learning you have been violated without your consent.

>>40802172
Damn cis fags are pathetic kek

>>40802276
>maybe someone has a fetish for menstrual blood
This is completely irrelevant. The fetish haver has no right to access another human beings pussy and the pussy haver can give literally any reason they want to deny access to the pussy. They can deny access to the pussy because mercury was in retrograde and that is just as legally substantive as being on their period.

>>40802290
somebody drugging and raping me is a lot different than somebody assuming i'm cis while finding me hot enough to take to bed
there's any number of personal attributes one might find gross when one learns after the fact. rape involves force.

>>40802308
yet the woman in the story denied access to her genitals and has been conviced of rape somehow for not having sex

>>40802314
>somebody drugging and raping me is a lot different than somebody assuming i'm cis while finding me hot enough to take to bed
No it's not. It's sex without consent either way, and it's also not your place to decide what is harmful to someone else. You do not determine their mindstate. They could be traumatized after the fact which is the same impact on the victim that makes date rape illegal.

>>40802327
They didn't have anal sex but they did have oral sex which was so harmful to the victim he successfully raised sexual assault charges

>>40802332
okay any number of fucking personal attributes or life history could a dealbreaker. ask the question or shut up.
they might not like that i was born on a tuesday? more realistically they might not like people from my home country. i shouldn't have to pander to this by wearing a scarlet letter.
and no i don't believe for a second this man didn't know. he just found a way to get his date sent to prison as revenge for his friends making fun of him.

>>40802314
And? More minor crimes are suddenly not crimes anymore because of your personal victim story? What is this non-sense. 'Hey sorry girl that that dude felt up your skirt, but you haven't been raped like me, so it doesn't count.'

>>40802342
you mean the legal system validated his friends' prejudice and now she's going to be sent to prison for a decade to coddle their egos?

>>40802349
This is just disgusting and awful rape apologia posted as the most trite ad absurdum pseduo-argumentation

>>40802360
again getting "felt up" is very different than willing taking someone to bed and then later deciding you didn't want to.
it's one thing to regret a sexual encounter it's another to ruin her life because you have the social ability to do so.
the real lesson here is not to have sex with emotionally stunted men

>>40802196
Brits are the ugliest race in the world. That is also why they're so evil. If Hitler decided to do nothing to Jews but instead targeted Brits, he'd be rightfully hailed as a hero.

>>40802349
anon i have seen cis women in the UK who look more like men than our dear Ciara does. bong women are just chopped like that, especially chavs

>>40802290
>The most obvious is lying about having an STD.
In my legal jurisdiction, this is not sexual assault. It could be a violation of a public health order, if it's certain types of STD (the physician returning your positive test results would have a duty to inform you of the public health order), and that has resulted in jail time. But it's not "rape."

>>40802362
So if a girl that initially consents to sex but is than anally raped then her objection is rooted in her own and society's bigotry against anal sex?

>>40802377
This is literally how incels argue most rape cases are.

>>40802349
Just don't lie about your status as a tranny it's literally that easy. The defense had to argue that she was so obviously a hon he "had" to know, NOT that she actually told him she was a tranny because she lied about being a tranny. Just don't rape people anon, I don't understand why you are struggling with this so much.

>>40802392
she will undoubtedly say no at some point during the activity, and if she doesn't, and there's no real duress, then no she shouldn't be able to claim it was rape after the fact
the man in this story didn't decide he didn't consent until after it was all over. that's a key difference
>>40802390
which makes it all the more obvious this is all rooted in bigotry but i need to get off this thread being called a rapist for the crime of having been raped while trans has already made me self harm

>>40802196
apart from the moustache and the shadow this looks like a generic female chav

Anyway hopefully the lgbt left will give up on sexual assault nonsense. Unless you are raped in an orifice it isn't assault. Assault means violence. I doubt they will learn though.

>>40802412
WHAT FUCKING RAPE IS IT IF A GUY FINDS ME PRETTY AND TAKES ME HOME AND WE HAVE SEX?
THIS HAPPENS EVERY FUCKING DAY BUT YOU'RE ONLY CLAIMING IT'S RAPE TO ENFORCE YOUR RELATIVE STATUS

goodbye this is only getting worse for me and i need to stop before i do something bad to myself

>>40802390
>In my legal jurisdiction
Very neat but I don't really care about your legal jurisdiction because I would then just advocate for changing the law there.

I would classify lying about having an STD in order to sleep with someone as a form of rape/sexual assault as well.

>>40802421
>rapist for the crime of having been raped while trans has already made me self harm
Don't nona. They're genocidal transphobic retards. They don't care they just want us dead.
I've personally been raped by trannies lol but whatever. Real rape isn't fucking funny, it's not your chav mates laughing at you because you bagged an uggo. But ofc we live in the most fascist dystopian timeline. It doesn't matter what happened or not - that tranny was a tranny, and trannies should get executed. That's all the logic there is to it.

>>40802290
The law in most jurisdictions only puts a burden of disclosure for certain STDs like AIDs or such. Beyond transmissible diseases, there is no disclosure required for things like: Having 1 drop of Negro blood in your family, Having mental illness in your family, Having relatives involved in extremist groups. You are, and the Britons have, invented a new required disclosure in addition to STDs you must get your lover to sign a waiver after you disclose trans status. That's how absurd this is, unless it gets tossed on appeal.

>>40802455
i thought the real rape was when he drugged me and forced me into bed but apparently it was that i didn't tell him how fucking undesirable i am..as if he cared about more than getting a warm hole at the time
i knew better than to say anything to anyone because i know better than to think i'm worth anything at all but god it fucking destroys my mood to think about
ironically if i had told him he'd probably have done it anyway and then accused me of rape the next morning lol

>>40802437
Most rape laws were written that only criminalized rape committed by men. Why are you throwing around the term bigotry when there is a strong tradition of bigotry against men when it comes the criminalization of rape against them as exhibited by yourself this very moment?

>>40802441
Well, yeah, I consider myself lucky not to live in an arbitrary and cruel shithole like yours : 3
I just want to point out other countries have much better legal precedents, so that people understand what a superior, logically-consistent legal framework could be. Having a clear vision of what a better world looks like is hopefuel for positive change.
Gotta keep your eyes on the prize.

>>40802479
Idk what to tell. Mine was friends I trusted enough to get drunk and high af with them. Woke up the next morning being told how much fun we had. Kek. Didn't report anything because who'd give a shit about some French tranny + i don't even think punishment is what i need, I'd just wish they'd apologise. But nah, and they isolated me and bullied me until I collapsed and had to rebuild myself up from nothing. Whatever lol.

>>40802437
>WHAT FUCKING RAPE IS IT IF A GUY FINDS ME PRETTY AND TAKES ME HOME AND WE HAVE SEX?
Ultimately by not disclosing you are rolling the dice. Perhaps your victim will never find out and won't feel traumatized by your deception and life will go on. Perhaps they will find out and develop PTSD as a result of your actions. Personally I think it would just be a heck of a lot more simple, ethical, and fun to just disclose your status as a tranny and gain enthusiastic consent for your sexual encounter.

>>40802477
Yet in most and many jurisdictions being a family member, being a teacher, being a cop on duty or being a minor will classify the same interactions as rape, even when disclosed retroactively. So no, it totally matters and most jurisdictions do consider it.

>>40802503
>to get drunk and high af

So you were in a different state while agreeing to the sex which you only reevaluated retroactively. How is this different from this case?

>>40802455
It's "genocidal" to suggest that people should get consent before sexual encounters?

Very interesting.

>>40802504
NTA but kys disgusting gaslighting pos. You're having so much fun trolling rn I guess. End your pathetic chud life.

>>40802508
>Disclosing that you are a family member after sex
>Disclosing that you are a teacher after sex
>Disclosing that you are a cop on duty after sex
What the ever living fuck are you talking about

>>40802504
If trannies are enough to give you PTSD, then you are responsible for asking the question up front.
Just like if latex gives you an allergic reaction. Better ask that up front.

>>40802504
What trans don't understand is that they are such an extreme sexual minority that they have an obligation to actively avoid hurting others with their status. It's blindingly obvious that the majority of people would be negatively affected by a nonconsensual exposure to one. Chosing not to disclose, while knowing that, is narcissistic at best and criminal at worst.

>>40802524
I won't engage with trolling chuddies like you. Kys <3

>>40802525
They literally adopt the same argumentative techniques as incel white genocide great replacement conspiracionists.

'Not having sex with me, or me getting consent for sex is you genociding me.'

Fucking unreal.

>>40802530
If you are an undercover cop and have sex with a suspect or witness while on duty you can be prosecuted for rape after it has been disclosed in most of Europe.

>>40801683 (OP)
so what if you didn't "disclose" that you were bisexual, is that now rape? Like oh I wouldn't have had sex with you if I knew you fucked other men/women?

>>40802504
perhaps i'll feel traumatized by the fact that he forced me into bed by drugging me
but i know one of us matters and one of us doesn't
>>40802503
yeah i couldn't bring myself to sic the american police on anyone. and i don't give a shit about revenge i just wish he hadn't done it.
>>40802486
what are you talking about. i'm a woman and he's a man. he fucked me in the vagina while i was out of my mind on drugs.
this would be fine except that i'm trans so my vagina is gross and therefore somehow i'm the one in the wrong here
>>40802524
i've gotten high and drunk with people i like and want to have sex with/have a history of having sex with and never have a single problem with doing it
it's when it's given without any expectation and then used against me that i have a serious problem.

but instead we make a mockery of real rape in order to further enforce the social order that trans people are dirt

>>40802553
wasn't there a cop in england who married and had children with a woman all under an assumed identity as part of some operation and that was ruled totally fine? (of course-the cops decide who breaks the law and they're never going to say they did)

>>40802540
Men not having sex with you is not you being genocided. Stop talking like a fucking groyper nazi.

>>40802565
Rope + stool

>>40802528
I don't know why you would assume I am a "chud" or "trolling". I think this is an important question and I find it interesting that so many trannies in the thread are completely disinterested in disclosure. They know it would lead to rejection in most cases so they actively make the selfish and unethical decision and lie in order to get sexual gratification.

>>40802573
Shut up incel

>>40802564
>perhaps i'll feel traumatized by the fact that he forced me into bed by drugging me
>but i know one of us matters and one of us doesn't
Two rapes don't make a right anon, I literally never said that date rape was okay, you are hallucinating that.

>>40802564
>i've gotten high and drunk with people i like and want to have sex with/have a history of having sex with and never have a single problem with doing it
Yeah I've done that with my partner lol. I'd never had sex with them ever, didn't want to, never wanted to. They laughed about how they "corrupted" me, "soiled" me, because I identified as ace back then. Kek. Been years now so I'm better but eh.

The big irony if people ITT adopting right-wing incel argumentation structures while calling the people defending the concept of consent 'chuds'. Unreal.

>>40801683 (OP)
this is happening because we still tolerate faith

>>40802593
It just goes to show you that many people pretend or say that they believe in the concept of egalitarianism and 'fighting patriarchy' but when push comes to shove and they happen to benefit from certain forms of bigotry and expressions of patriarchy, in this case the bigotry of men being primarily criminalized for rape, they will not mount any effort against them. False snakes.

>>40802588
I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM WHEN WAS I SUPPOED TO TELL HIM
and am I supposed to tell everyone i meet or just people i meet in bars or what?
"i have to tell you something i have a neovagina. i'm legally required to tell you this so you can rape me without causing me to commit a crime."

>>40802533
I think the LEGAL burden ought be on the abnormal one to disclose. 99.99% of heterosexual encounters will involve two cis-het people. Trannies are deviating from that so the onus is on them to proactively disclose otherwise they are rolling the dice.

However, I would certainly proactively ask.

>>40802621
You just said early that it's not rape if you don't say no that very moment and that a retroactive reevaluation doesn't count. Congratulations for just completely undermining everything you have just said.

>>40802640
i think i excepted under true duress or at least meant to. my boyfriend going for anal and me not saying no is not true duress.
I might tell him I don't like anal very much the next day, but there's no rape issue there

>>40802639
>anon's perfect first date question:
>hey are you a dude? it's cool if you are i'm just not into that
there was no second date

>>40802665
Then you don't get to bitch about fucking a tranny on accident.
Simple as.

>>40802593
>>40802613
The concept of "consent" you proposed has been contorted out of all recognition. I counter-proposed the absurdity of requiring all of society to consent to let people wear makeup or risk "deceit" charges and all I got was hand-waiving from chuds. It negates your stupid argument in TOTALITY.

>>40802639
>99.99% of heterosexual encounters will involve two cis-het people.
i'm too lazy to do the math but actually a non-trivial portion will involve people with a history of some kind of homosexuality. 10% or something claim to be gay and there's a lot more with a "history" they pretend didn't exist. and a lot of "straight" people who are performatively disgusted by that history probably as a cover for their own.
also with trans people being somewhere 0.1 - 1 % you're bound to be off by at least an order of magnitude on that one.

>>40802702
their concept of consent is ego coddling to prevent their ever feeling any regret about what they did last night

>>40802702
>>40802717
fucking 4chan posted too soon
and it's not like you don't see that type arguing that make up is lying. ofc they also go after the girl with pretty up and call girls who don't wear any ugly. it's pretty transparently about enforcing our status as second-class citizens-damned either way.

>>40802701
the only people fucking tranners are the people into that, again the concept of "oopsie i just could not tell" is a complete fiction, i just thought the concept of asking cis women if they're trans and expecting them not to flip their shit was very funny

>>40802727
Historically it was men that could only be convinced for sexual assault in tbe UK but we have already established you only care about bigotry if it goes one way.

>>40802717
verbatim groyper post, you are an awful person

>>40802431
JK Rowling has a moustache and shadow. If no one knew her would she be considered trans?

>>40802776
anothe result of that law is that men were immune to conviction for raping trans women as our womanhood was not considered real, but you don't want to talk about that do you?

>>40802702
>I counter-proposed the absurdity of requiring all of society to consent to let people wear makeup or risk "deceit" charges and all I got was hand-waiving from chuds
Makeup is an unsubstantial form of "deceit", the onus is on you to demonstrate some kind of harm being done by wearing makeup.

A more interesting thought experiment in a similar vein would be total facial reconstructive surgery taking someone from being a 2 to a 10. And even there, the potential harm would only really come when they breed and shit out unexpectedly ugly children, which may be grounds for divorce but would be hard to argue criminal charges.

>>40802837
Of course that's awful and we can talk about it all you want. You see contrary to you I am not a hypocrite when it comes to bigotry and consent.

What I hate about this is none of you trannies will have sex with me anymore. It was an cheat code to not dealing with stupid stuck up cis women.

>>40802937
>the onus is on you to demonstrate some kind of harm being done by wearing makeup
Sisters, I just got a chud to confess that drag in front of kids isn't harmful. Checkmate, chuddie

>>40803086
Damn ya'll be particularly incoherent in this thread.

I "confessed" that the onus would be on me to demonstrate harm in that case. The harm isn't the drag queen's makeup, the harm is performing sexual acts in front of children. This tends to have negative long term impacts on their developmental growth leading to self destructive behaviors and addiction.

Sex neutral drag queen story hour probably wouldn't even register on a child's long term memory unless the makeup was freaky enough to scare them like a bad clown.

But regardless my friend, I am not a chud so your victory lap was inert to begin with.

>>40803219
Okay, do you prefer the term "retard" instead?

>>40803439
sure, that's fine

>>40802581
The chud can only insult you by insisting you have no access to the one thing he can control, his chuddy buddy buns.

>>40801990
This is the thread. We can be raped at will, and then thrown into male prisons.

This is textbook persecution