Thread 40811430

idk it seems like some ftms want to be referred to as men when it benefits them but default make to their female identity/privilege as soon as being a man becomes inconvenient for them???

>>40811430 (OP)
Poons are raped the most and have same issues that cis women have when it comes to abortion/healthcare/having babies.
It would be silly to not take it into consideration. If they were truly seen as men, they would not be treated like they are now.

>>40811445
the poons are raped the most stat is only true if you include pre-transition though

>>40811453
No its not. Thats your mft cope cause you are jealous of rape victims (creepy)
Read the actual studies.

>gobble up the delusions that men have privilege
>surprised and angry that transmen just like cis men don't get mythical first class status in society
We really need to illegalize ftm transition

>>40811430 (OP)
>says they are a trans man
>trans man
>man
>referring to their manhood
>OP trying to say they are only men when it's convenient
Anon what country are you from where your reading comprehension is that bad?

>>40811453
Trans men are more oppressed then TIMs troons get over it

>>40811603
Troons don’t like it when ftms acknowledge that they aren’t the exact same as cis men because they want to delude themselves that they’re the exact same as cis women. It breaks their delusion and upsets them.

>>40811728
I feel like we've been past this conversation for 5 years, it might just be a vocal minority

>>40811728
Its because femininity is not seen as "bad" where as all masculinity is seen as inherintly awful

>>40811473
i have no idea how often trans men are raped but i'm pretty sure passing ones don't frequently get drugged in bars and raped like i have been

>>40811728
OP pic is talking about that in the context of privilege, and the insinuation is that if trans men don’t benefit from patriarchal privilege, then trans women do. That’s ridiculous however as trans women are the target of extreme societal. Trans women aren’t biologically the same as cis women, but we face a lot of social difficulties that often resemble that of cis women

>>40812189
Cis women don't face any difficulties. Being desired by everyone isn't a difficulty.

>>40811430 (OP)
shoutout to my ftm roommate in college who tried to stab me (not very well lol) when i didnt like him back after he treated me like garbage for a year, and then was a poor woman being abused by an evil amab after that didnt work. incredibly powerful victim complex im jealous honestly

>>40811430 (OP)
all afabs are spoiled.

>>40811445
>Poons are raped the most
what an obvious lie. mtfs are raped more than double the amount poons would ever experience

>have same issues that cis women have when it comes to abortion/healthcare/having babies.
they could also just get over it yknow, like most women do, but instead they cling to that because they know it gives them victim status then use that against trans women to tell them they dont have it as hard as they do just because they have the smallest chance of getting pregnant if they get raped, which again, doesnt really matter, because trans women get raped just as much if not more, and its worse to not be able to bear any children at all so afabs are really just rubbing the fact that they do and they dont want to in trans womens faces all the time, which makes them total assholes btw.

if theyre really men, then they should man up and endure the pregnancy if it happens, since it is a privilege to have that happen at all since even other cis women are incapable of conceiving a child. then, after they give birth, they should donate the child to a mtf mother so the child can grow up happy and healthy away from the unstable ftm that gave birth to them :>

>>40811453
yup. pre-transition poons are just women, so they go in the women category. it is actually rare for a post transition ftm to get raped since as we all know they benefit from the patriarchy and are treated just as men, and men rarely get raped in comparison to women.

>>40812189
Mtfs only face misandry and homophobia.

>>40812351
misandry isnt real. grow up.

trans women face misogyny in a worse way than cis women would ever experience, which is called transmisogyny.

and homophobia has nothing to do in this context.

>>40811430 (OP)
Lefty spaces have a misandrist bias. This is why MtFs vehemently reject association with manhood whereas FtMs try to maintain an association with womanhood despite wanting to be men, it’s basic self-interest.

>>40812366
Hatred of feminine males is due to misandry and homophobia keep coping

>>40812366
lmfao you goddamn poonah

>>40812326
femreppers are so retarded. ftms have a SA rate of like 52%

>>40812418
>ftms
you mean pre-transition ftms. the only ones that should count as that should the the post transition ones. these stats dont mean shit. theyre just as inaccurate as the "domestic violence rates for lesbian couples". you only bring them up when theyre convenient, but are never actually true.

>>40812140
Skinny twink whos 5,2 is just as easy to date rape as a woman

>>40812399
>Hatred of feminine males is due to misandry and homophobia keep coping
and where did i mention "feminine males"? trans women arent feminine males, theyre women.

>>40812377
yup. if ftms didnt reject manhood itd make it instantly obvious just how evil they actually are for being men, so i understand why they would do so. however, since theyre still men regardless, pretending they arent just makes them manipulative. in reality, if they really wanted to stay innocent they should probably push aside any desire to be a man they have and not consider themselves one, and instead put all that energy into being the best ally they could be, and actually do something to protect trans women instead of subconsciously hurt them out of jealousy.

the rest of them though... theyre just gonna be like men. but the thing is, they should actually focus on being men, and since they are, no longer consider themselves redeemable or innocent, because men can never be either of those things.

>>40812326
>what an obvious lie. mtfs are raped more than double the amount poons would ever experience

Go look any stats or surveys of the topic and you will see that poons get raped the most. Denial does not look good.

>>40812442
If you count only people with bottom surgery as real mtfs and ftms, then there is barely any real trans people left.

>>40812480
Kinda funny to agree with me and then go on a crazed misandrist screed.

>>40812442
>Multiple studies and surveys ain't real cause I don't like the results waah

>>40812418
I've seen enough theyfab threads where a triggered poonrepper's cismale childhood friend touched her elbow over her shirt sleeve without asking for consent and she's like "was I raped I feel so betrayed", so I'm somehow disinclined to trust SA stats on ftms

>>40812492
i never mentioned bottom surgery, just basic hrt and desire to transition, which would remove probably more than 50% of poons off the list.

>>40812483
>Denial does not look good.
and believing that obvious afab victimhood biased lie doesnt look good either. we have to accept that women will always have it worse than men, regardless if theyre trans or not. so saying poons are raped more often than trans women is implying that trans women are just like men because they dont have it as worse as le afabs. so stop.

>>40812502
im just adding to it lul

>>40812510
>cismale childhood friend touched her elbow over her shirt sleeve without asking for consent
giwtwm..... but unlike triggered poonreppers, i wouldnt have complained. picrel

>>40812480
>and where did i mention "feminine males"? trans women arent feminine males, theyre women.
Women really are retarded children. Wow.

>>40812552
>Women really are retarded children
well, seemingly not as retarded as you, since i can tell the difference between a "feminine male" and a trans woman.

>>40812510
Theyfabs are category of their own in studies and surveys and even they get raped/SAd more than trans women. Trans men has the highest SA victimhood.

>>40812525
>never mentioned bottom surgery, just basic hrt and desire to transition, which would remove probably more than 50% of poons off the list.

Wrong. Hard to to talk with a person who has no idea what she is talking about. You simply assume things and then never deepdive, typical woman brain.

>>40812607
>even they get raped/SAd more than trans women.
because at a large, their rates should belong with the rest of cis womens. they dont need a separate category, they already victimize themselves enough. this is why trannies hate them.

>>40812624
no, i am right on the basis that trans women are women and we should take their SA rates seriously.

>>40812652
Taking trans woman SA rates seriously does not mean "pretend trans men don't get raped as much as they do"
Trans men get murdered sometimes, trans women get murdered more. To take trans man murder victims seriously I need to pretend that trans men get murdered more. Does that make sense? No.

>>40812673
yeah i guess, but theyre still men at the end of the day. it just kinda comes off as the "not all men" or "mens mental health" kinda thing yknow. so we shouldnt pretend it happens to them any more than it happens to women. and if it happens more? then it shouldnt matter, cuz theyre men ^-^

>>40812706
talking about trans men btw, just in case one of you small brained terfs tries to twist it into me referring to trans women as men when i am doing the opposite.

>>40812706
>>40812714
You are talking to a cis man btw. You just have to accept that women ain't always the biggest victims in everything.

I had a thing with a ftm and they kept insisting that they were a man but everyone we got in a fight, or one of us had to make a decision she would be like: your arguing like a man. Or they kept wanting me to make all the decisions. Like wtf do you want from me if you're not the boy here

>>40812740
>You are talking to a cis man btw
and what does this have to do with anything?

>women ain't always the biggest victims in everything.
nice MRA talking point.

>>40812787
You need to tell him to that he is a man and slap him (lovingly)

i understand the argument from the twitter poster, but i don’t see how passing trans men don’t benefit from the patriarchy in many of the same ways cis allies do, unless they’re making it clear they are trans to strangers

>>40812808
Passing poons benefit as long as other men don't know that he has a pussy cause he stops being a man to them at that point

>>40811445
>>40811453
furthermore afabs who have grown up with the expectation that society will, at the very least, care about a precious little afab getting raped (even if the legal system does fail them) so theyre more likely to report it, while trans women know that there is no way in hell that the legal system or even society will take their rape seriously so theyre less likely to report it because its just comedy and we did it to ourselves/deserve it/are all whores anyway. after i got raped as a young trans woman everyone i knew treated it as a joke so i never reported it.

>>40812934
You should maybe look into the stats, studies and surverys before you vomit your worthless opinion out

>>40811430 (OP)
this board sucks you all say the same shit every day its all bots no nuance

>>40812978
I often take a long break and its like I never left

>>40812978
Its about 50 schizos who turn their insecurities into threads they can bait attention with. Move on from this website.

>>40812967
i just told you why the stats, studies, and surveys are inaccurate. maybe you should look into stats, studies, and surveys on how society percieves trans women victims of rape and how likely they are to report it.

>>40813174
Waaah its all wrong cause its not what I want!!!! Waaaaah!!! It has very little to do with reporting rape cause result are the same in cases that are not reported to police you fool

>>40811473
>>40811445
lady, go back to tumblr pls

>>40811430 (OP)
this is all so tiresome, i really wish we separate transsexual ppl from transgender ppl, this shit can't keep going anymore these retards will be the death of us.

>>40813593
Only transexual people are those who get bottom surgery. They change their sex.

>>40813593
yeah, transexuals are mentally ill. transgenderism is completely normal.

>>40812418
source?

>>40813611
Genital surgery isn't really close to "sex reassignment", which is a current impossibility.

>>40813652
Us transgender survey, trevor project lgbt youth survey, transgender people victimization study etc, google to find more

>>40813667
Its as true sex change as we can get for now

>>40812820
Same is true if I found out my cis friend lost his penis in a firework accident

>>40813675
>online survey

>>40813697
You cannot fuck a null tho

>>40813721
Well most men wouldn’t really want to fuck a bearded titless girl and more than they’d want to fuck a dickless man

>>40813737
You are wrong

>>40813632
nah, retarded nonbineys need to go. the "u don't need to transition to be trans" ppl need to go. there is a material reality to all transsexuals.
i don't want to relativize my transition and not have access to hrt. fuck off

>>40813757
You are not transsexual then

This thread makes me wish all you MTT are beaten to death on the street

>>40815771
ur only saying that cuz of your female privilege tho

>>40813711
Nta but what did you want the to do? Go up to random ftm on the street and ask if they were molested? It's either online or they mail census style books to our house.

>>40813721
But we can fuck you >:^)

>>40815798
41% faggot

>>40815771
mttanon what size is your tdick

>>40811453
>retard's never heard of corrective rape

>>40811430 (OP)
those are fakepoons you idiot