Thread 40813082

It makes me very sad that trannies misinterpret the fundamental realities of existence as isolating hardships.
Everyone is in a perpetual struggle with existence to establish an identity. Everyone is stripped bare by time and too late. Everyone wishes they could be something else.
The condition of the tranny is not unique. Maybe a little convoluted, maybe a little targeted by society but certainly not special. We're all in a test administered by nobody, judged only by ourselves. Our lives can be no different than they are and we can only live honestly to our nature.
Maybe you feel that you're ashamed with how you look, or how you are, or what you are. But that's the finality of it. You are what you are. The only thing you can do is move towards self-realization with what you've got. You can only live your own life and take your lot in it.
Point is; I think a lot of trannies need to stop punishing themselves. We're all like you to a degree. We're all fighting entropy and circumstance. Life is already a kind of punishment, stop punishing yourself because you're trans. You may not understand it, you may not feel it, but you are of no more or less consequence than anyone else. You may never get what you want. Your life may never feel that life was "right" but you are not alone in this.
Being trans does not devalue you. Not in the least. We're all lost and trying to figure things out. The only thing we can do is be true to ourselves and suffer what may come.

>>40813082 (OP)
Fine ass, bitch!

>>40813121
This is true but also trannies need to value themselves.

>>40813082 (OP)
Good post

>>40813082 (OP)
>Being trans does not devalue you.
Well I know that, I've always loved myself and I am not the problem, it's everyone else.

I always felt awkward in my body, like wearing a loose sock, but I still found reasons to live happy, the only problem is others that see me smile and try their hardest to bring me down.

>>40813082 (OP)
Good post ,self autonomypilled
I am personally fighting not fighting primarily against sirkumstanse ,as I have dealt with worst parts ,but to cange sosiety into one whic doesnt target any groups at all ,exsept those within it that are evil and try to harm the innosent

>>40813328
Thank you. I am going to shamelessly use your post to bump this thread with this reply when I check back and it is lower in the catalogue.
>>40813393
It is not everyone else who is the problem. In fact the trans issue is a kind of ouroboros. It is everyone who is the problem.
You need to identify yourself in those people you feel "have the problem".
>>40813436
I hate the way you post. It's that kind of cringey bottom self-identity shit.
Pushing past that I don't think you should hope for a better world, only the power to be yourself in your reality.
Anyway tonight it doesn't matter. Tonight we're saying big ups to trannies.

>>40813082 (OP)
Ty anon you're right. I wish more trannies had a rational outlook like this and if they did our community would be in a much better place, and I pray for your and all of our health and safety

>>40813082 (OP)
Very true thanks nigga

>>40813604
Rational? My guy/ girl I am absolutely fucked. This is a purely irrational outlook in a purely irrational existence.
I understand why trannies are self punishing. That is rational. That is an expression of sanity in a fundamentally insane existence.
The problem is that we exist in a fundamentally insane space. And trannies to a degree ignore that and so desperately cling to sane conventions.
Imagine if you will being a set of cerebral and nervous reactions forming a simulation of being. Guess what? That is your reality. We're teetering on this finite razors edge. Being a tranny is no more crazy than anything else.
What I want is for trannies to appreciate that this is everyone's experience, even if they are to a degree less conscious of it. Sartre described it as the idea that we could wake up tomorrow with proboscis for mouths.

>>40813082 (OP)
>just bee yourself, hon!
t. doesn't "believe in" gender dysphoria or access to hrt

i dont know how to be "true to myself" i have no identity, i literally could only guess, there are things that made me feel something long ago that i feel have been beaten out of me, i dont even know why i want to transition. my best guess is jsut the absurdity of it. maybe im saying fuck you to life that made me this one way that i want nothing to do with, that i only associate with negativity

>>40813687
>What I want is for trannies to appreciate that this is everyone's experience, even if they are to a degree less conscious of it.
we're just forced into being more aware of what cissies take for granted and never have to think about

>>40813479
>"I hate the way you post. It's that kind of cringey bottom self-identity shit."
Wow ,Im weeping from how muc this hurt me

>"Pushing past that I don't think you should hope for a better world, only the power to be yourself in your reality."
You shouldnt just idly hope for sosial konditions to improve ,and sit around while other people do or do not do it for you ,you should forse them to improve yourself
We have ample evidense to prove that better is possible ,though with the threat of AI and universal surveilanse and kontrol ,perhaps only for a limited period

>>40813712
More aware however doesn't equal not aware.
>>40813690
Hons should strive towards passoiddom. I think adult trannies should have access to HRT. As for dysphoria I believe in it whole heartedly.
>>40813717
None of this gay shit matters. Self-actualization has been the same since the dawn of time. You can dress it up with all of this bottom-ology but the path is the same.

>>40813802
>More aware however doesn't equal not aware.
what does this mean and how does it relate to my point or what I responded to?
>adult trannies should have access to HRT
but not kids? why?

you seem like an off-site boomer "contrarian"

>>40813082 (OP)
This bitch has got a fine ass
shame about the face though

>>40813802
>Forsing other to cange their behavior (for the better) is bottom behavior
?Are you a retard

>>40813816
Trannies are prone to believing that cis people are just kind of living it up and that they're unique. The difference between trans people and cis people is a perception about birth sex. Everything else you feel, no matter how you perceive it, from your height to your skeleton or whatever absurd shit, isn't exclusive to trannies. Nobody is what they want to be.
>but not kids? why?
It's not "not kids" it's more that kids are a murky topic. Think of it as less reflective of me being against kids transitioning and more of me being so blanketly pro-adult transitions.
>you seem like an off-site boomer "contrarian"
I am barely 30. I come with a kind of outsider perspective because I am generally of a group that is not pro-trans.
>>40813840
I didn't say that and I am in a state where I struggle to decode what you're replying to in relation to what I actually said.
If I had to respond directly I would say that you can't force anyone into anything, but that people are very shallow and in a sense fundamentally to a degree good, such that you can change their behavior by simply being positive and good.
>>40813836
Maybe I am alone in this but I think Mariemoder has a very fine face.

>>40813866
>I am generally of a group that is not pro-trans.
no shit
fuck off with your empty rhetoric, it's not just a matter of perception it's literally a measurable difference in the brain

you are literally just arguing that gender dysphoria doesn't exist or need treatment like any /pol/tard

>>40813866
>Maybe I am alone in this but I think Mariemoder has a very fine face.
Her face is a lot better than it was pre ffs but it still doesn't do it for me

>>40813866
>"you can't force anyone into anything"
You absolutely kan ,that is what the state does regularly
The individual kan use their forse to forse the state to cange ,whic will then use its forse to forse individuals to komply

>"but that people are very shallow and in a sense fundamentally to a degree good, such that you can change their behavior by simply being positive and good"
Lol
Lmao ,eve

>>40813900
This is sincere.
Can you point to where you got the impression that I don't think gender dysphoria exists, because that isn't the case.
>>40813915
I have always felt that despite being boyish Mariemoder has had a charming face.
>>40813926
People cannot be forced to change. They can be appealed to. Shemale porn for example has done more for trans rights than any rallying has ever done.
The state is aware of this and takes advantage of it to subtly manipulate. The state is far more equipped than trannies at large.
My point to whatever the fuck I am replying to, if there is one, is that the despite what propaganda might indicate is that the best thing trannies can do is assume a Christ-like role and to just be good and do good. Maybe nobody will appreciate, people may in fact hate you, but if you only do good and are good your essence will speak into eternity.

This is just an excuse for mariemoder to be hot so everyone will say “oh wow I want to stick my tongue in her ass”

>>40813960
>"People cannot be forced to change."
They absolutely kan be ,this is kope ,and not my point

>"Shemale porn for example has done more for trans rights than any rallying has ever done."
??????

>"The state is aware of this and takes advantage of it to subtly manipulate. The state is far more equipped than trannies at large."
The state is kurrently opposed to us ,and though that is boradly not what I am referring to ,the individual kan forse cange on the state
Then the state kan forse other individuals to komply (not agree ,komply) ,whic is undeniable ,then most peoples positions will eventually shift to what sosial reality tells them is objektively right ,and to what is best for them emotionally ,whic is ,if the state has been forsed to be pro tranny ,a pro tranny position

>"My point to whatever the fuck I am replying to, if there is one, is that the despite what propaganda might indicate is that the best thing trannies can do is assume a Christ-like role and to just be good and do good. Maybe nobody will appreciate, people may in fact hate you, but if you only do good and are good your essence will speak into eternity."
Wow this is stupid
Help the ones that help you ,sure ,but helping your enemy when they hurt you is REALLY dumb
More or less all signifikant sosial progress was krusially obtained via sosial konflikt
Just giving in and not only supporting the struktures that harm ,but the people that do them harm
"Ya trust me, if we don't make a fuss, don't challenge the system, and quietly uphold patriarchy, men will totally give us the right to vote" type logik

>>40814048
They can't and in fact people will intentionally be arbitrary in the face of enforced change.
>The state is kurrently opposed to us
The state is opposed to you only in so much as trannies make a good scapegoat to keep the working class arguing with the middle class.
>Help the ones that help you ,sure ,but helping your enemy when they hurt you is REALLY dumb
The most damage trannies can do to the status quo is to be appreciable in the face of an overwhelming otherwise. The very idea that trannies need to be controversial or forceful is in and of itself a piece of propaganda to enforce the status quo.
The most subversive thing a tranny could ever do is sincerely occupy a place in the mind of the gynephilic male/female as an object of desire.
I mean this with every fiber of my being and in all sincerity. Every call to action, every appeal to power, ever, has been a psyop to make trannies look bad. The most divine, otherworldly, undeniable, unstoppable power a tranny has is to appeal to the straight man.
It may seem vulgar, shallow, whatever the fuck you want to contextualize it as, no degree of appeal to emotion, no grand logical argument, nothing, will ever compare to giving one (1) straight male an erection.

stop tolerating faith

>>40814181
I don't agree. We are all lost. We need to start glorifying solidarity in the face of an overwhelming stark reality.

>>40814110
>"They can't and in fact people will intentionally be arbitrary in the face of enforced change."
We have a shokking amount of evidense that this is false
Most extremist regimes have managed to suksessfully spread their ideas throughout sosiety with this
Efforts to just peasefully konvinse individuals ,like denatsifikation ,were abjekt failures bekause the individuals preferred the enjoyment of their bigotry to painful guilt

>"The state is opposed to you only in so much as trannies make a good scapegoat to keep the working class arguing with the middle class."
This is why a lot of the elite oppose trannies ,the masses just hate trannies bekause it is enjoyable for them ,broadly ,or theyre too stupid to think for themselves

>"The very idea that trannies need to be controversial or forceful is in and of itself a piece of propaganda to enforce the status quo."
"Yeah bro, the best way to challenge the status quo is to not challenge the status quo"
Being needlessly kontroversial is dumb ,but whining and making your group more diffikult to oppress are NOT the same thing
One gives the negative elements of sosiety more exkuses to fukk around ,the other makes it more kostly to do so

>"The most subversive thing a tranny could ever do is sincerely occupy a place in the mind of the gynephilic male/female as an object of desire."
Already done

hey that's (my) ass

>>40814442
No successful extremist FORCES their ideas onto people but rather makes them digestible.
People hate trannies because they have a habit presenting themselves as easy to hate.
The best way to oppose the status quo is to subvert it. In the case of trannies, who are presented as unreasonable and freakish, the true subversion is to be ideal people.
Imagine an oppressive cynical system insisting that you're evil predators and you're just out here being soft, girlish hopefuls.
>>40814498
Hey marie, I sincerely wish you the best. I know it means little, I am just words on a screen after all. But I understand your suffering and while I can't guarantee you that things will ever get better, ever reach an ideal, I just want you to understand that i as a transient being stuffed hopelessly into this meat have identified you and get you.

>>40813866
>It's not "not kids" it's more that kids are a murky topic. Think of it as less reflective of me being against kids transitioning and more of me being so blanketly pro-adult transitions.
I like the less retarded countries' approach:
>2 separate diagnoses
>GD in pre-puberty retards (kids)
>GD persisting even as puberty starts
And they start treating it ASAP in early puberty, so as to avoid the damage.
Cuts desistance rates humongously, doesn't doom poor gender dysphorics to hondom, saves tons of healthcare funds on unnecessary FFS, BA, hair removal, you name it.
We'll figure out the pre-puberty shit later, but at least for now it seems the sane strategy is the above one, with whatever is necessary to balance out the AFAB trender to TERF risk

>>40814530
aw thank you anon ur kind words warm my shriveled little heart
im doing... ok... my life has definitely improved since even a year ago
not out of the woods yet though. some day...
at least freaks like us have each other c:

>>40814530
why are you using this pro-fascist language? it's really disgusting that you pose as anything but hateful

>>40813082 (OP)
if being trans doesnt devalue me then tell that to the people devluing trans people????

it's so easy to just say shit

>>40814558
Look I am absolutely too inebriated to get into the nitty-gritty with you. My point in a general sense is that when it comes to kids the topic of kids it is a sensitive, controversial understandably debatable thing.
As for adults, you do you.
>>40814591
We're all works in progress. It is never a question on who is right but rather who is capable of convincingly coming off as right. I do not personally, for all the value that may provide you, look down on trannies for being trans, but even if I did it is all meaningless. We are all fundamentally, not matter how much we convince ourself otherwise, adrift.
>>40814627
I think part of it is genuinely just because I am absolutely drunk off my tits. But the rest of it I like to believe is not so much fascist as it is a kind of offense to the sensibility that has lulled trannies into their current state. I know I am a rarity, neither a tranny sycophant nor a tranny hater, but it is both true that you can support and understand trannies as they are but also oppose the narrative of perfect acceptance that is pervasive amongst woke politics.
>>40814664
If people told you that water wasn't wet would that make you believe it? If people told you that fire wasn't hot wouldn't you cast yourself into it?
You can both arm yourself with the knowledge of perception and appreciate it for what it is.

>>40814683
>If people told you that water wasn't wet would that make you believe it? If people told you that fire wasn't hot wouldn't you cast yourself into it?
if I cope hard enough I too can convince myself that trannies are just like anybody else
go write a self help book
go sell that slop for a living

faggot

>>40814693
It's not that trannies are usual it's just that the trials and tribulations that trannies face are usual. Your too for that matter.
In a different time you would till fields with little consideration for meaning. Today you struggle against the mundane evils of modernity.
The point is that the struggle for meaning, the struggle against entropy is universal. I can not sell a self help book because I too am a victim.

>>40814766
This doesn't feel like much of a response.

>>40814530
>"No successful extremist FORCES their ideas onto people but rather makes them digestible."
"Ya man, the Nazis, Mujahideen, Stalinists, fascists and hard righters in general don't use the coercive power of the state to force their positions onto people, they just act really nice and convince them."
Ya Im sure thats why they had sekret polise
So they kould go to the houses of dissident sosialists and peasefully konvinse them
LMAO

>"People hate trannies because they have a habit presenting themselves as easy to hate."
Blaming the viktim for their viktimization
The right just needs one weird tranny to have something to fokus on for a whole week
No group will be perfekt ,if your method of cange requires them to be then its a REALLY shit method of cange

>"The best way to oppose the status quo is to subvert it. In the case of trannies, who are presented as unreasonable and freakish, the true subversion is to be ideal people."
You are under the delusion that this is just an optiks battle against a shadowy kabal of elites that are deluding the moral everyman
This is itself a delusional position
The average person hates trannies bekause they like to hate ,and trannies are an exsellent and easy target
Also wanna note that what I initially said is not targeted just to trannies ,tho I em one

>"Imagine an oppressive cynical system insisting that you're evil predators and you're just out here being soft, girlish hopefuls."
This kan sertainly work to konvinse a few isolated individuals ,but doesnt really deal with willing belief of propaganda on the sosietal level

>>40814824
The average person hates trannies because they need something to blame for their shitty circumstances and trannies cast themselves in an easy detestable light.
To have a cynical view of the system but to still hod onto the idea that trannies are blameless in their role is particularly naive. You should also stop typing like a bottom, it doesn't really come off as quirky are profound, just annoying.

>>40814683
>Look I am absolutely too inebriated to get into the nitty-gritty with you.
heh, are you the profound anon from the other thread?
>My point in a general sense is that when it comes to kids the topic of kids it is a sensitive, controversial understandably debatable thing.
agreed, shit sucks mongo balls due to that (and the lizards on top get an extra easy wedge issue to D&C us with)
thing is, the crucial period to treat this shit is puberty. the human sexual maturation schedule doesn't care about our feelings, so the professionals actually figured out a balanced cutoff (tiny bit after start of puberty) to both not globohomo the children, and not hon up all the tranners and fuel the TDS further
we've gotta gas (or otherwise take care of) the extremists first to start resolving shit tho

>>40813082 (OP)
Marie was so made for it she was never a man.

>>40814861
>"the idea that trannies are blameless in their role is particularly naive."
Again ,if your method of cange requires the oppressed group to be absolutely perfekt its a terrible ,nonfunktional system of cange
No oppressed group has been ,and even kan be perfekt
Its partikularly pathetik to promote the most do nothing ,lazy form of sosial cange of just "Exist while hot"
Reads partially like an exkuse not to do things ,with the blaming of the group being an easy way to deny having any sort of responsibility to do good yourself ,and neglekt your hand in supporting the oppressive system

>>40815527
I disagree. If you look at most puberty blocker hons they turned into weird mutated thirteen year old boys. The best outcome is usually in hussies 14-18.

this shit is fucking gay

>>40815620
Sincerity or support for trannies?

>>40813082 (OP)
Well put, they should shutter the whole /lgbt/ channel and just leave this in its place.
There's nothing worth digging for.

>>40813082 (OP)
Marie is so fucking hot I'd lez out for her

>>40813082 (OP)
Okay but I don't even know how to know if I'm fucking trans or not so this is way way way beyond me.

>>40813082 (OP)
Horrible post

>>40813082 (OP)
>targeted by society but certainly not special
Society targets us in a special way.

>>40813082 (OP)
This anon gets it.

>>40814744
>The point is that the struggle for meaning, the struggle against entropy is universal.
This is not what being trans is

Being trans is not some philosophical / existential struggle of meaning, it's not an attempt to construct an identity. Many trans people try very hard for a very long time to not be trans.

>>40813082 (OP)
all philosophy should be trojan-horsed with a booty pic

>>40813082 (OP)
You may be right, and your post was probably written with good intentions, but you don't fathom the degree of the struggle any trans person has, vs. struggles of the heteronormative individual.
Consider the case - a man, 37 y.o. overweight, balding, with unpleasant voice and generally not compelling to talk with due to weird voice and the nerd upbringing. A lot of personal struggle, right? Not quite. Because by being tidy, practicing a bit of communication, acting right and being some kind of professional, he can - and will instantly command a lot of respect.
Now consider a 25 y.o. trans girl - passing, having a good taste in fashion, outgoing and nice - but living in the constant need of hiding, because her life and social standing will be ruined instantly if her transness will come to light. A lot of people would just flip their perception of her 180 degrees, because in their eyes she would transform from nice woman into some kind of abominable freak, a fetish object, or an oddity at best. No amount of self-improvement or money will ever fix this - even after tons of surgeries and enormous work on personal psychological well-being no cis person would ever need to do.
I'm not even talking about less lucky people, who would be branded as freaks of nature and gay faggots the moment any normie sees them. That's why so many of us flock to some radical loser ideologies - we hope some fucking change will occur in our lifetime. That's why we push for acceptance, for representation, and just simply talk about this.

>>40820027
>>40820527
I am not down playing what it means to be trans but it is on the grand scale a drop in the bucket. We're born poorly equipped into confusing lives destined to end in tragedy with increasingly severe humiliation rituals on the way.
Regardless my drunken point wasn't about severity it was about commonality. The two people you described suffer fundamentally in the same way. They struggle with the same things at their core.

>>40820643
Well, cool, I got your point. But, honestly, not having a toe, and not having a leg up to the knee is a same kind of suffering for you?
Degrees matter.

>>40820678
There's only one kind of suffering.

>>40820678
>>40820684
Differences of kind are different from differences of degree.

The struggle of being trans is a difference of kind to the generic struggle of finding meaning. Either one can be of significant degree. They are incomparable not because one is necessarily more severe by its nature, but because it is of a different nature fundamentally.

Like comparing a bright light to a loud noise. Light can be more or less bright, and noise can be more or less loud. But light is not sound.

>>40820793
It is not so. This is just self-isolating.

>>40820811
I do not understand - are you saying that light is sound? That if we zoom out sufficiently everything is all the same?

I agree with your sentiment, though - everyone has sources of suffering, and it is good to recognize commonalities across suffering. A lot can be gained by focusing on shared humanity. However, it does not follow that everyone suffers in the same way, or that the causes of all suffering are the same.

>>40813082 (OP)
>Being trans does not devalue you.
I don’t need to hear this, everyone else does

>>40820832
>everything is all the same
There are schools of thought which say this

>>40813082 (OP)
>Being trans does not devalue you. Not in the least. We're all lost and trying to figure things out. The only thing we can do is be true to ourselves and suffer what may come.
Thanks for your support, anon. We need more kind people.

>>40820832
I am saying that light is light.
Trannies feel isolated often because they think their suffering isn't the same shit everyone goes through just directed differently.
>>40820854
But you should hear it.

>>40820993
>I am saying that light is light.
Fair enough. It is good to focus on shared humanity. It would be easier if others weren’t so invested in denying trans people that shared humanity – I think this is where a lot of the feelings of isolation come from.